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2014-06-18 04:44:04 PM  
Good.
 
2014-06-18 04:56:35 PM  

SilentStrider: Good.


And again.


Good.
 
2014-06-18 05:01:45 PM  

SilentStrider: Good.


Rev.K: SilentStrider: Good.

And again.


Good.


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2014-06-18 05:05:15 PM  
They're all going to hell!
 
2014-06-18 05:05:47 PM  

Rev.K: SilentStrider: Good.

And again.


Good.


These.
 
2014-06-18 05:16:05 PM  

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Cool!

 
2014-06-18 05:22:30 PM  
Wait, wait, wait...  A Country that has an OFFICIAL Religion, and a Christian one at that, bans the teaching of Creationism?

That's unpossible!
 
2014-06-18 05:47:32 PM  
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2014-06-18 06:27:04 PM  
If you want to be taught Creationism, go to Sunday School
 
2014-06-18 06:33:13 PM  

haemaker: Wait, wait, wait...  A Country that has an OFFICIAL Religion, and a Christian one at that, bans the teaching of Creationism?

That's unpossible!


Their official religion rejects creationism as science. Maybe that's why they can get away with it. Maybe what we need is an official religion.
 
2014-06-18 06:45:50 PM  

rumpelstiltskin: haemaker: Wait, wait, wait...  A Country that has an OFFICIAL Religion, and a Christian one at that, bans the teaching of Creationism?

That's unpossible!

Their official religion rejects creationism as science. Maybe that's why they can get away with it. Maybe what we need is an official religion.


That and non-religious people out number Christians now in Britain. Maybe a state religion is the best way to get rid of it.
 
2014-06-18 07:11:46 PM  
And yet no fluoride in the drinking water.
 
2014-06-18 07:23:42 PM  

rumpelstiltskin: haemaker: Wait, wait, wait...  A Country that has an OFFICIAL Religion, and a Christian one at that, bans the teaching of Creationism?

That's unpossible!

Their official religion rejects creationism as science. Maybe that's why they can get away with it. Maybe what we need is an official religion.


Wrong.

Anglicans (including the Episcopal Church in the United States of America, the Church of England and others) believe that the Bible "contains all things necessary to salvation," while believing that "science and Christian theology can complement one another in the quest for truth and understanding." Specifically on the subject of creation/evolution, some Anglicans view "Big Bang cosmology" as being "in tune with both the concepts of creation out of nothing and continuous creation." Their position is clearly set out in the Catechism of Creation Part II: Creation and Science.[19] In an interview, the Archbishop of Canterbury Dr Rowan Williams expressed his thought that "creationism is, in a sense, a kind of category mistake, as if the Bible were a theory like other theories. Whatever the biblical account of creation is, it's not a theory alongside theories... My worry is creationism can end up reducing the doctrine of creation rather than enhancing it."[20] His view is that creationism should not be taught in schools.


swaniefrmreddeer: That and non-religious people out number Christians now in Britain. Maybe a state religion is the best way to get rid of it.


Hmm. I'm not sure about that. I bookmarked this graphic from the beeb from when Pope Palpatine visited the UK:

news.bbcimg.co.uk

But I've seen other graphics that show greater religious support in the UK.

The thing with Christianity in the UK is that the main sects are all pretty liberal and chilled out compared to the fundy fire and brimstone farkers that appear to dominate the US.

There are nutjobs here, too. Heard a segment on a radio phone-in the other day about homeschoolers using the American fundy ACE curriculum to teach their children; some of its victims were guests.
 
2014-06-18 07:37:35 PM  
Now they are never going to know how many turtles go down
 
2014-06-18 07:47:54 PM  
AMEN!
 
2014-06-18 07:50:33 PM  

iron de havilland: rumpelstiltskin: haemaker: Wait, wait, wait...  A Country that has an OFFICIAL Religion, and a Christian one at that, bans the teaching of Creationism?

That's unpossible!

Their official religion rejects creationism as science. Maybe that's why they can get away with it. Maybe what we need is an official religion.

Wrong.

Anglicans (including the Episcopal Church in the United States of America, the Church of England and others) believe that the Bible "contains all things necessary to salvation," while believing that "science and Christian theology can complement one another in the quest for truth and understanding." Specifically on the subject of creation/evolution, some Anglicans view "Big Bang cosmology" as being "in tune with both the concepts of creation out of nothing and continuous creation." Their position is clearly set out in the Catechism of Creation Part II: Creation and Science.[19] In an interview, the Archbishop of Canterbury Dr Rowan Williams expressed his thought that "creationism is, in a sense, a kind of category mistake, as if the Bible were a theory like other theories. Whatever the biblical account of creation is, it's not a theory alongside theories... My worry is creationism can end up reducing the doctrine of creation rather than enhancing it."[20] His view is that creationism should not be taught in schools.


What he's saying is that calling creationism a science is a "category mistake". He's saying they aren't the same type of thing, and they shouldn't be compared on the same grounds. I don't know what you think he's saying.
 
2014-06-18 07:57:11 PM  
Good.

But they should be able to teach about creationism, as long as they make sure to point out that it's not actually any more real than your typical superhero story or viking myth. And that basically the only people that believe in it are unspeakably savage, tribal primitives. With lots of parallels to flat earthers, anti vaxxers and assorted other completely invented nut jobbery.
 
2014-06-18 07:57:31 PM  
I wish this wasn't newsworthy. It should be painfully obvious that creationism is not science, nor is it even close.
 
2014-06-18 07:59:51 PM  

neongoats: Good.

But they should be able to teach about creationism, as long as they make sure to point out that it's not actually any more real than your typical superhero story or viking myth. And that basically the only people that believe in it are unspeakably savage, tribal primitives. With lots of parallels to flat earthers, anti vaxxers and assorted other completely invented nut jobbery.


Nope. If you want to be taught that hogwash, that's what church is for. But keep it out of mainstream education
 
2014-06-18 08:02:12 PM  

varnigus: I wish this wasn't newsworthy. It should be painfully obvious that creationism is not science, nor is it even close.


Yup, I hear you.  God only created science, but don't you dare say creationism has nothing to do with science!
 
2014-06-18 08:11:52 PM  

Mike_LowELL: varnigus: I wish this wasn't newsworthy. It should be painfully obvious that creationism is not science, nor is it even close.

Yup, I hear you.  God only created science, but don't you dare say creationism has nothing to do with science!


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2014-06-18 08:13:32 PM  
This is good news.
 
2014-06-18 08:14:58 PM  

Trance750: If you want to be taught Creationism, go to Sunday School


IIRC, my Sunday School teacher also taught Microbiology at Oregon State University; he was certainly an advocate regarding the teaching of evolution....

/ 1970's...
// Presbyterian Church ( probably wouldn't be regarded as "Christian" by today's Fundamentalist Christians)
 
2014-06-18 08:16:46 PM  
"The gift of mental power comes from God, Divine Being, and if we concentrate our minds on that truth, we become in tune with this great power. My [m]other had taught me to seek all truth in the Bible; therefore I devoted the next few months to the study of this work." - Nicholas Tesla
"I want to know how God created this world. I am not interested in this or that phenomenon, in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to know His thoughts; the rest are details" - Albert Einstein

Don't feel bad UK, I guess you're just too dumb to see the obvious
 
2014-06-18 08:22:09 PM  

rumpelstiltskin: iron de havilland: rumpelstiltskin: haemaker: Wait, wait, wait...  A Country that has an OFFICIAL Religion, and a Christian one at that, bans the teaching of Creationism?

That's unpossible!

Their official religion rejects creationism as science. Maybe that's why they can get away with it. Maybe what we need is an official religion.

Wrong.

Anglicans (including the Episcopal Church in the United States of America, the Church of England and others) believe that the Bible "contains all things necessary to salvation," while believing that "science and Christian theology can complement one another in the quest for truth and understanding." Specifically on the subject of creation/evolution, some Anglicans view "Big Bang cosmology" as being "in tune with both the concepts of creation out of nothing and continuous creation." Their position is clearly set out in the Catechism of Creation Part II: Creation and Science.[19] In an interview, the Archbishop of Canterbury Dr Rowan Williams expressed his thought that "creationism is, in a sense, a kind of category mistake, as if the Bible were a theory like other theories. Whatever the biblical account of creation is, it's not a theory alongside theories... My worry is creationism can end up reducing the doctrine of creation rather than enhancing it."[20] His view is that creationism should not be taught in schools.

What he's saying is that calling creationism a science is a "category mistake". He's saying they aren't the same type of thing, and they shouldn't be compared on the same grounds. I don't know what you think he's saying.


Apologies, I misread your post.
 
2014-06-18 08:23:26 PM  

Forbidden Doughnut: Trance750: If you want to be taught Creationism, go to Sunday School

IIRC, my Sunday School teacher also taught Microbiology at Oregon State University; he was certainly an advocate regarding the teaching of evolution....

/ 1970's...
// Presbyterian Church ( probably wouldn't be regarded as "Christian" by today's Fundamentalist Christians)


Thought you were going to say your Sunday School teacher taught Microbiology during Sunday School, and I was getting ready to be amused.
 
2014-06-18 08:28:20 PM  
Thanks Obama!
 
2014-06-18 08:31:34 PM  
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Thanks! And again, Thanks!
 
2014-06-18 08:33:22 PM  
And the sun finally sets on the British Empire.
 
2014-06-18 08:35:56 PM  

veryequiped: "The gift of mental power comes from God, Divine Being, and if we concentrate our minds on that truth, we become in tune with this great power. My [m]other had taught me to seek all truth in the Bible; therefore I devoted the next few months to the study of this work." - Nicholas Tesla
"I want to know how God created this world. I am not interested in this or that phenomenon, in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to know His thoughts; the rest are details" - Albert Einstein

Don't feel bad UK, I guess you're just too dumb to see the obvious


The obvious what?
 
2014-06-18 08:44:05 PM  

veryequiped: "The gift of mental power comes from God, Divine Being, and if we concentrate our minds on that truth, we become in tune with this great power. My [m]other had taught me to seek all truth in the Bible; therefore I devoted the next few months to the study of this work." - Nicholas Tesla
"I want to know how God created this world. I am not interested in this or that phenomenon, in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to know His thoughts; the rest are details" - Albert Einstein

Don't feel bad UK, I guess you're just too dumb to see the obvious


Nikola Tesla while technically brilliant was borderline insane. He died penniless. 

Einstein often invoked god to represent the unknown forces of the universe. All physicists do this. 

Good troll though.
 
2014-06-18 08:51:28 PM  

veryequiped: "The gift of mental power comes from God, Divine Being, and if we concentrate our minds on that truth, we become in tune with this great power. My [m]other had taught me to seek all truth in the Bible; therefore I devoted the next few months to the study of this work." - Nicholas Tesla
"I want to know how God created this world. I am not interested in this or that phenomenon, in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to know His thoughts; the rest are details" - Albert Einstein


Yes, because clever people are flawless.

It's not as if Isaac Newton thought that there were good aspects of alchemy, enjoyed sticking pins in his eye for shiats and giggles and made good efforts to keep the achievements of his contemporaries down.

The guy that coined the term big bang theory? Fred Hoyle, a proponent of steady state astronomy.

And it's also possible to use "god" as a metaphor for the universe.
 
2014-06-18 08:52:40 PM  

neongoats: Good.

But they should be able to teach about creationism, as long as they make sure to point out that it's not actually any more real than your typical superhero story or viking myth. And that basically the only people that believe in it are unspeakably savage, tribal primitives. With lots of parallels to flat earthers, anti vaxxers and assorted other completely invented nut jobbery.


Yes... as long as the only mention of creationism/intelligent design in science class is to refer students to social studies/theology/anthropology classes.  Anything more than that, acknowledging the existence of the concept, and directing students to the appropriate venue is playing into the bible-humpers plan.
 
2014-06-18 08:56:26 PM  
Why is this only in the geek section?
 
2014-06-18 08:57:13 PM  

bionicjoe: Einstein often invoked god to represent the unknown forces of the universe. All physicists do this.


This. As in "God does not play dice".

In other news, Einstein was a complicated pragmatist. Despite believing that "nationalism is an infantile disease, the measles of mankind", in later life he accepted the need for Israel to exist because of the special circumstances of post-war Judaism. At the same time, he turned down the offer of the (symbolic) presidency of Israel.

He also pointed out that "if my theory of relativity is proven successful, Germany will claim me as a German and France will declare me a citizen of the world. Should my theory prove untrue, France will say that I am a German, and Germany will declare that I am a Jew", thus proving himself to be far funnier on the topics of Germans, the French, and Jews than pretty much all Farkers.
 
2014-06-18 08:59:03 PM  

iron de havilland: veryequiped: "The gift of mental power comes from God, Divine Being, and if we concentrate our minds on that truth, we become in tune with this great power. My [m]other had taught me to seek all truth in the Bible; therefore I devoted the next few months to the study of this work." - Nicholas Tesla
"I want to know how God created this world. I am not interested in this or that phenomenon, in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to know His thoughts; the rest are details" - Albert Einstein

Yes, because clever people are flawless.

It's not as if Isaac Newton thought that there were good aspects of alchemy, enjoyed sticking pins in his eye for shiats and giggles and made good efforts to keep the achievements of his contemporaries down.

The guy that coined the term big bang theory? Fred Hoyle, a proponent of steady state astronomy.

And it's also possible to use "god" as a metaphor for the universe.


It is also my understanding that one can believe in "god" without believing that he/she/it created all the species on the planet out of whole clothe in a single day.
 
2014-06-18 09:06:19 PM  

bionicjoe: Good troll though.


Don't know if it was. A lot of religious sorts trot out the "God does not play dice" quote as evidence that Einstein believed in God, therefore a smrt person believed in God, therefore God must be real; checkmate, atheists.

But, even if Einstein went to his local synagogue every day and shouted from the rafters about the glories of Elohim, what has that to do with relativity?

What has science ever done for us?

/TV off.
 
2014-06-18 09:10:46 PM  
Didn't they put Darwin on their money for a while?
 
2014-06-18 09:13:45 PM  

iron de havilland: bionicjoe: Good troll though.

Don't know if it was. A lot of religious sorts trot out the "God does not play dice" quote as evidence that Einstein believed in God, therefore a smrt person believed in God, therefore God must be real; checkmate, atheists./TV off.


OK, so I believe in the Easter Bunny and leprechans. So they must be real, right?
 
2014-06-18 09:14:33 PM  

Demogorgon: Why is this only in the geek section?


Mayhap there is a giant backlog of trollish threads in the Poli tab and they didn't want to spread the schills out too thinly.
 
2014-06-18 09:16:13 PM  

czetie: bionicjoe: Einstein often invoked god to represent the unknown forces of the universe. All physicists do this.

This. As in "God does not play dice".

In other news, Einstein was a complicated pragmatist. Despite believing that "nationalism is an infantile disease, the measles of mankind", in later life he accepted the need for Israel to exist because of the special circumstances of post-war Judaism. At the same time, he turned down the offer of the (symbolic) presidency of Israel.


Also, he essentially invented quantum theory, and spent the later years of his life trying to disprove it.

It's the beauty of science, though; it develops through being tested.

He also pointed out that "if my theory of relativity is proven successful, Germany will claim me as a German and France will declare me a citizen of the world. Should my theory prove untrue, France will say that I am a German, and Germany will declare that I am a Jew", thus proving himself to be far funnier on the topics of Germans, the French, and Jews than pretty much all Farkers.

Last I heard on his citizenship was when Obama spoke in the UK and claimed Einstein as an American.
 
2014-06-18 09:19:11 PM  
This was actually an issue in the UK? I thought we were the only first world country that was still doing that.
 
2014-06-18 09:22:38 PM  

Trance750: iron de havilland: bionicjoe: Good troll though.

Don't know if it was. A lot of religious sorts trot out the "God does not play dice" quote as evidence that Einstein believed in God, therefore a smrt person believed in God, therefore God must be real; checkmate, atheists./TV off.

OK, so I believe in the Easter Bunny and leprechans. So they must be real, right?


Only if you're very smrt.
 
2014-06-18 09:23:44 PM  

iron de havilland: Trance750: iron de havilland: bionicjoe: Good troll though.

Don't know if it was. A lot of religious sorts trot out the "God does not play dice" quote as evidence that Einstein believed in God, therefore a smrt person believed in God, therefore God must be real; checkmate, atheists./TV off.

OK, so I believe in the Easter Bunny and leprechans. So they must be real, right?

Only if you're very smrt.


Well, I'm smart enough to not believe in fairy tales or invisible sky kings
 
2014-06-18 09:32:10 PM  

Trance750: iron de havilland: Trance750: iron de havilland: bionicjoe: Good troll though.

Don't know if it was. A lot of religious sorts trot out the "God does not play dice" quote as evidence that Einstein believed in God, therefore a smrt person believed in God, therefore God must be real; checkmate, atheists./TV off.

OK, so I believe in the Easter Bunny and leprechans. So they must be real, right?

Only if you're very smrt.

Well, I'm smart enough to not believe in fairy tales or invisible sky kings


Bully for you.
 
2014-06-18 09:32:37 PM  

veryequiped: "The gift of mental power comes from God, Divine Being, and if we concentrate our minds on that truth, we become in tune with this great power. My [m]other had taught me to seek all truth in the Bible; therefore I devoted the next few months to the study of this work." - Nicholas Tesla
"I want to know how God created this world. I am not interested in this or that phenomenon, in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to know His thoughts; the rest are details" - Albert Einstein

Don't feel bad UK, I guess you're just too dumb to see the obvious


equiped?
 
2014-06-18 09:43:51 PM  

johnny queso: veryequiped: "The gift of mental power comes from God, Divine Being, and if we concentrate our minds on that truth, we become in tune with this great power. My [m]other had taught me to seek all truth in the Bible; therefore I devoted the next few months to the study of this work." - Nicholas Tesla
"I want to know how God created this world. I am not interested in this or that phenomenon, in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to know His thoughts; the rest are details" - Albert Einstein

Don't feel bad UK, I guess you're just too dumb to see the obvious

equiped?


The second amendment protects his right to be poorly edumacated.
 
2014-06-18 09:50:43 PM  
Thank god.
 
2014-06-18 09:51:05 PM  

BMFPitt: This was actually an issue in the UK? I thought we were the only first world country that was still doing that.


Same problem in many Western countries: evangelical teachers taking it upon themselves to teach Creationism when they are supposed to be teaching Evo.
 
2014-06-18 09:51:58 PM  

iron de havilland: The thing with Christianity in the UK is that the main sects are all pretty liberal and chilled out compared to the fundy fire and brimstone farkers that appear to dominate the US.


Well, they kicked them all out and they settled the US.
 
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