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(Christian Science Monitor)   Apparently tired of hiding behind a shadowy network of Think, tanks, advocacy groups and 501(4) "educational" groups the Koch brothers say "fark it" and create a super-PAC "designed to spend unlimited sums in efforts to influence election outcomes"   (csmonitor.com) divider line 107
    More: Scary, political action committees, Koch Brothers, Citizens United, midterm elections  
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2014-06-18 01:57:53 PM  
Well, given Conservative SuperPACs previous ROIs, I'd say let them throw their money away.

www.motherjones.com
 
2014-06-18 01:59:53 PM  
Truly a great day for free speech, and therefore, America


www.atitd.org

 
2014-06-18 02:38:30 PM  
"The news is the latest sign of the growing influence of outside money - as opposed to funds raised directly by candidates and political parties - in the US political system."

Thanks for ringing the alarm bell early there, CSM. This could turn out to be big.
 
2014-06-18 02:47:55 PM  
It's their money. It's not like they are building a criminal enterprise.
 
2014-06-18 03:13:08 PM  

Nabb1: It's their money. It's not like they are building a criminal enterprise.


It's much worse than that. The money is being used for GOP House candidates. Duh.

Seriously, it's buying influence. If a piece of legislation comes up that goes against the public's interest in favor of the Koch's interest, any Congressman who has become dependent on them for money will be faced with a very difficult choice.

Which is why they're doing it.
 
2014-06-18 03:24:32 PM  
Apparently tired of hiding behind a shadowy network of Think, tanks, advocacy groups and 501(4) "educational" groups the Koch brothers say "fark it" and create a super-PAC "designed to spend unlimited sums in efforts to influence election outcomes"


I don't mind them hiding behind Think, but having tanks sounds like a threat.
 
2014-06-18 03:25:12 PM  
Subby, you, really, love, that, comma
 
2014-06-18 03:26:08 PM  

Nabb1: It's their money. It's not like they are building a criminal enterprise.


Yes...what they are doing is not illegal.  But it should be.
 
2014-06-18 03:28:02 PM  

MrBallou: Nabb1: It's their money. It's not like they are building a criminal enterprise.

It's much worse than that. The money is being used for GOP House candidates. Duh.

Seriously, it's buying influence. If a piece of legislation comes up that goes against the public's interest in favor of the Koch's interest, any Congressman who has become dependent on them for money will be faced with a very difficult choice.

Which is why they're doing it.


I don't think the choice will be that difficult.
 
2014-06-18 03:28:44 PM  

MrBallou: Nabb1: It's their money. It's not like they are building a criminal enterprise.

It's much worse than that. The money is being used for GOP House candidates. Duh.

Seriously, it's buying influence. If a piece of legislation comes up that goes against the public's interest in favor of the Koch's interest, any Congressman who has become dependent on them for money will be faced with a very difficult choice.

Which is why they're doing it.


Wrong. It wouldn't be difficult at all.
 
2014-06-18 03:29:14 PM  

Nabb1: It's their money. It's not like they are building a criminal enterprise.


Right, just your everyday subversion of democratic ideals. U.S.A! U.S.A.!
 
2014-06-18 03:29:31 PM  
Just like Soros and Steyer.
 
2014-06-18 03:29:36 PM  
just a couple citizens uniting, nothing to see here, move along... move along!

/money, is there anything it can't ruin?
 
2014-06-18 03:30:39 PM  
everybody hide under your bed and pee !
 
2014-06-18 03:30:44 PM  
Yay Plutocracy!!

The real American Way.
 
2014-06-18 03:31:27 PM  

Spare Me: Just like Soros and Steyer.


No the Kochs are evil unlike Soros and Steyer becuase those two are good because they back dems.
 
2014-06-18 03:35:03 PM  

Saiga410: Spare Me: Just like Soros and Steyer.

No the Kochs are evil unlike Soros and Steyer becuase those two are good because they back dems.


In my mind, it's more because Soros and Steyer agree these types of donations shouldn't be legal.

Sorry. If one group starts picking up weapons in the middle of a brawl, a second group protests that it's dangerous and foolish to do so, and then the first group starts bringing the weapons to bear? I'm not gonna fault the second group for arming themselves, even if they'd rather not have to.
 
2014-06-18 03:36:18 PM  

Nabb1: It's their money. It's not like they are building a criminal enterprise.


It pretty much is like that, except that the shiat these guys are up to isn't criminal only because they own the guys who define the crimes.
 
2014-06-18 03:36:58 PM  
The only truly `revolutionary' change that it still possible would be a grass roots demand for a Constitutional Amendment that would require Public Only financing of all elections & absolute transparency of all lobbying.

At the very least, this would encourage an entirely different `class' of individuals to feel emboldened to serve in Congress and one could have a bit more confidence in who/what is being `represented'.
 
2014-06-18 03:37:03 PM  

Saiga410: Spare Me: Just like Soros and Steyer.

No the Kochs are evil unlike Soros and Steyer becuase those two are good because they back dems.


Some of us oppose the massive influence of a few rich people regardless of their ideology.

That's called "having principles"
 
2014-06-18 03:40:53 PM  
Oh, SMBC, how I love you.
www.smbc-comics.com
 
2014-06-18 03:41:44 PM  
spend a bunch of money to push morally reprehensible ideas that hurt the middle class and poor, I'd like to believe there's a special place in hell for these two scumbags but I don't believe such a place exists.
 
2014-06-18 03:43:03 PM  

Crazy Lee: The only truly `revolutionary' change that it still possible would be a grass roots demand for a Constitutional Amendment that would require Public Only financing of all elections & absolute transparency of all lobbying.

At the very least, this would encourage an entirely different `class' of individuals to feel emboldened to serve in Congress and one could have a bit more confidence in who/what is being `represented'.


I totally agree with this statement.
 
2014-06-18 03:47:19 PM  
They've also decided to roll out their first TV commercial which trumpets them as job creators.
 
2014-06-18 03:51:47 PM  

Spare Me: Just like Soros and Steyer.


Only in Soros' case the Koch Brothers have him beat by several orders of magnitude,  he gave about $3 million they gave $300 million last election cycle  and as Steyer likes to point out the Koch's political agenda happens to align perfectly with their business interests whereas he really doesn't gain financially from getting people to take global warming seriously
 
2014-06-18 03:52:51 PM  
F*ck!

forexreportdaily.com
 
2014-06-18 03:53:18 PM  
Nice headline Subtroll, but that was the article defining what a super PAC is, not the Koch brothers saying that is what the super PAC is for.  This is a not a "fark it, lets just say we're evil" moment, this is a "they're still shadowy evil and Subby needs to learn to read" moment.
 
2014-06-18 03:54:18 PM  
Y'all got 6 or more TV networks, NPR, Hollywood and 90% of the print media all trying to do the same thing for Democrats for the last 40+ years.

Cry me a f**kin'river.
 
2014-06-18 03:54:33 PM  

Spare Me: Just like Soros and Steyer.


Yes, let's look at that, shall we?

Through their holdings
PAC spending (1989-2010)
Kochs: ~$6 million
Soros: $0

527 contributions (2001-2010)
Kochs: $575,000
Soros: $0

Lobbying (1998-2010):
Kochs: almost $51 million
Soros: almost $13 million

Personally
Individual donations (1989-2010)
Charles Koch: $363,100
David Koch: $2.24 million
Koch brothers (sum of the above): $2.58 million
George Soros: $1.75 million

527 organizations (2001 to 2010)
Kochs: $1.5 million
Soros: $32.5 million ($24 million of that in 2003 and 2004 to unseat Bush)

So yes. They're exactly the same, except that the Kochs have spent ~$60 million and Soros spent ~$48 million (half of that on issue ads to remove President Bush).
 
2014-06-18 03:54:41 PM  
Well then let's turn the muzzle around and point it at the Koch brothers: Have every progressive campaign ad make very clear that their opponents are funded by the Kochs and the Kochs have no contribution limits. Besides extoling the virtues of the progressive platform, let's see if the 'undecideds' gravitate to the progressive side more often than not out of distaste for Citizens United.

In short, make "Koch" a knee-jerk perjorative in the general public, not just in political threads.

And, bonus, the Kochs waste another zillion tons of money.
 
2014-06-18 03:56:28 PM  

vonster: Y'all got 6 or more TV networks, NPR, Hollywood and 90% of the print media all trying to do the same thing for Democrats for the last 40+ years.

Cry me a f**kin'river.


lol
 
2014-06-18 03:56:29 PM  

vonster: Y'all got 6 or more TV networks, NPR, Hollywood and 90% of the print media all trying to do the same thing for Democrats for the last 40+ years.

Cry me a f**kin'river.


neat, a liberal media conspiracy guy. *takes photo*
 
2014-06-18 03:56:32 PM  

vonster: Y'all got 6 or more TV networks, NPR, Hollywood and 90% of the print media all trying to do the same thing for Democrats for the last 40+ years.

Cry me a f**kin'river.


Just point and laugh, folks... This one's a window licker.
 
2014-06-18 03:57:06 PM  
The left really really hates it when somebody has the impudence to fight back against their bullshiat instead of cowering or ceding the field, the vilification of  grass roots movements like the Tea Party being the most prominent exemplar. This move by the Kochs is just a logical response to those baying for their heads on pikes.
 
2014-06-18 03:57:09 PM  
I hope this all backfires so much that they suffer a Duke Brothers-style meltdown.
 
2014-06-18 03:58:38 PM  

Magorn: they gave $300 million last election cycl


You got any proof on that?
 
2014-06-18 03:58:48 PM  

jjorsett: the vilification of grass roots movements like the Tea Party


Lol.... Oh man, all the all-stars are coming out of the woodwork for this one.

"Grass Roots"... Awesome.
 
2014-06-18 03:59:00 PM  

nmrsnr: Well, given Conservative SuperPACs previous ROIs, I'd say let them throw their money away.


Yeah, except I have little doubt they'll be soliciting donations for it, and will probably be a moneymaker for them in the end. The "conservative" movement is one giant collection of scammers all making good livings fleecing the rubes they create.
 
2014-06-18 03:59:48 PM  

jjorsett: The left really really hates it when somebody has the impudence to fight back against their bullshiat instead of cowering or ceding the field, the vilification of  grass roots movements like the Tea Party being the most prominent exemplar. This move by the Kochs is just a logical response to those baying for their heads on pikes.


You can tell by the retarded reactions like "window licker".

Feel sorry for 'em.
 
2014-06-18 04:01:13 PM  
I understand that a massive case of "Koch  Borthers Derangement Syndrome" broke out after they donated $25 Million to the United Negro College Fund  -- the racists!!!
 
2014-06-18 04:02:02 PM  
www.politifake.org
 
2014-06-18 04:02:06 PM  

jjorsett: the vilification of  grass roots movements like the Tea Party being the most prominent exemplar.


whoa, whoa, whoa the teabaggers might want policies that will destroy America but I admire their ability to pull a mainstream political party into an ideological direction. It's something liberals should learn from and start primarying some democrats.
 
2014-06-18 04:02:53 PM  

Bith Set Me Up: I hope this all backfires so much that they suffer a Duke Brothers-style meltdown.


As in they lose all their money and become homeless, or they have to make a daring jump over the lake in their tricked out muscle car?
 
2014-06-18 04:03:35 PM  

jjorsett: The left really really hates it when somebody has the impudence to fight back against their bullshiat instead of cowering or ceding the field, the vilification of  grass roots movements like the Tea Party being the most prominent exemplar. This move by the Kochs is just a logical response to those baying for their heads on pikes.


Nice big word there. And yes, I really do hate it when someone is shameless enough to openly buy Congressmen and the President.
 
2014-06-18 04:03:49 PM  
I feel like I'm on a liberal conspiracy safari in this thread.  We've got grass-rootsers, media conspirators, and one of the more popular attractions, the Soros-saurus
 
2014-06-18 04:04:04 PM  

Dr Dreidel: Spare Me: Just like Soros and Steyer.

Yes, let's look at that, shall we?

Through their holdings
PAC spending (1989-2010)
Kochs: ~$6 million
Soros: $0

527 contributions (2001-2010)
Kochs: $575,000
Soros: $0

Lobbying (1998-2010):
Kochs: almost $51 million
Soros: almost $13 million

Personally
Individual donations (1989-2010)
Charles Koch: $363,100
David Koch: $2.24 million
Koch brothers (sum of the above): $2.58 million
George Soros: $1.75 million

527 organizations (2001 to 2010)
Kochs: $1.5 million
Soros: $32.5 million ($24 million of that in 2003 and 2004 to unseat Bush)

So yes. They're exactly the same, except that the Kochs have spent ~$60 million and Soros spent ~$48 million (half of that on issue ads to remove President Bush).


That looks pretty even to me.  The main driver of the Kochs spending was on lobbying for their company which is pretty wide rangine while Soros is on direct political spending and his lobbying is going to be be less because of the narrower scope of his business dealings.
 
2014-06-18 04:04:16 PM  

Brick-House: I understand that a massive case of "Koch  Borthers Derangement Syndrome" broke out after they donated $25 Million to the United Negro College Fund  -- the racists!!!


In the Koch's defense the policies they advocate for are terrible for middle class and poor people of all races and religions and sexual orientations. So in that way they are equal opportunity shiatheels.
 
2014-06-18 04:05:20 PM  

Nabb1: It's their money. It's not like they are building a criminal enterprise.


No need to break the law when you can control those who make the laws...
 
2014-06-18 04:05:52 PM  

vonster: jjorsett: The left really really hates it when somebody has the impudence to fight back against their bullshiat instead of cowering or ceding the field, the vilification of  grass roots movements like the Tea Party being the most prominent exemplar. This move by the Kochs is just a logical response to those baying for their heads on pikes.

You can tell by the retarded reactions like "window licker".

Feel sorry for 'em.


Observe the mating ritual of the red-footed teabagger...watch as they lovingly shower each other with spittle-flecked bromides as they dance around the real issues...
 
2014-06-18 04:06:15 PM  

colon_pow: everybody hide under your bed and pee !


Why would anyone hide under their pee?
 
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