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(ABC)   Amazon decides to give its soon-to-be-released smartphone a 3d display hoping to replicate the success 3d TV had in taking that industry by storm   (abcnews.go.com) divider line 38
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2014-06-18 02:15:55 PM
My three year old HTC is 3D. I haven't bothered with that function in about 2 1/2 years.
 
2014-06-18 02:23:36 PM
I like my 3d tv. The industry expecting everyone to run out and replace 2-3yr old sets with new ones just for the 3d feature was idiotic. That's the problem.
 
2014-06-18 02:49:52 PM

Blues_X: I like my 3d tv. The industry expecting everyone to run out and replace 2-3yr old sets with new ones just for the 3d feature was idiotic. That's the problem.


I have a 3D monitor and I like it as well. I only use the feature rarely, for movies like Gravity or The Lego Movie, it's great. I don't watch a ton of flicks in 3D though. Sometimes there's a good 3D video game as well although for the most part I dislike 3D gaming. The game Puppeteer that came out for free on Playstation Plus is the best use of 3D I've ever seen in a game.

There's lots of advantages to it, but it's just a feature. It's not like everyone is going to walk around the house watching Big Bang Theory with glasses on their faces.
 
2014-06-18 03:15:57 PM

Blues_X: I like my 3d tv. The industry expecting everyone to run out and replace 2-3yr old sets with new ones just for the 3d feature was idiotic. That's the problem.


3d tvs make me stabby, but largely because I inherited a quirk from my father where can can both see at 65htz and therefore I "see" the "invisible" flicker that makes the glasses work.
 
2014-06-18 03:19:46 PM
It's not a 3D display. It's a 2D display with gaze-tracking cameras to give the illusion of depth and parallax.
 
2014-06-18 03:31:43 PM

Magorn: Blues_X: I like my 3d tv. The industry expecting everyone to run out and replace 2-3yr old sets with new ones just for the 3d feature was idiotic. That's the problem.

3d tvs make me stabby, but largely because I inherited a quirk from my father where can can both see at 65htz and therefore I "see" the "invisible" flicker that makes the glasses work.


media.ifccenter.com
 
2014-06-18 03:31:58 PM
I only use the 3D on my television to watch Lindsay Lohan films.
 
2014-06-18 03:34:33 PM
I tried watching a college football game in 3D at Costco a few years ago. It was a terrible experience.
 
2014-06-18 03:44:00 PM
The price point on that phone is insane.  The most expensive 8.9 inch Kindle Fire HDX is $594, and this phone is $649?  That's absurd.
 
2014-06-18 03:45:01 PM

Wellon Dowd: I only use the 3D on my television to watch Lindsay Lohan films.


Don't you need a rubber to cover the TV
 
2014-06-18 03:45:20 PM

RexTalionis: It's not a 3D display. It's a 2D display with gaze-tracking cameras to give the illusion of depth and parallax.


Is that what the 3DS does? 'Cause it sounds like a 3DS?
 
2014-06-18 03:46:48 PM

RexTalionis: It's not a 3D display. It's a 2D display with gaze-tracking cameras to give the illusion of depth and parallax.


Came here top say that. Headtracking 2D is a lot of fun. Though from the video I wonder if its smooth head tracking, it doesn't look that way. Jerky 3 point head tracking is annoying and pointless.
 
2014-06-18 03:49:05 PM

Jaden Smith First of His Name: RexTalionis: It's not a 3D display. It's a 2D display with gaze-tracking cameras to give the illusion of depth and parallax.

Is that what the 3DS does? 'Cause it sounds like a 3DS?


No, the 3DS uses a lenticular screen to create two separate images that are redirected in different directions so that when the head is held at a certain position, it gives the effect of 3D.

This phone only has a 2D screen and it creates only 2D images at any given time. However, using the gaze-tracking cameras, it will subtly rerender the image based on the eye position to create the effect that you are looking through a tiny little window.
 
2014-06-18 03:50:02 PM
Read another article that said Kindle's share of the market went from 7 to 2 percent. Probably not a lot of happy campers riding the SLUT today.
 
2014-06-18 03:50:42 PM

Magorn: Blues_X: I like my 3d tv. The industry expecting everyone to run out and replace 2-3yr old sets with new ones just for the 3d feature was idiotic. That's the problem.

3d tvs make me stabby, but largely because I inherited a quirk from my father where can can both see at 65htz and therefore I "see" the "invisible" flicker that makes the glasses work.


Have you tried a passive 3d set? That's what I bought b/c every time I tried an active set at the store I had a horrible nauseating headache within a minute or two.

Confabulat: There's lots of advantages to it, but it's just a feature. It's not like everyone is going to walk around the house watching Big Bang Theory with glasses on their faces.


I agree completely. It's a one or twice a week thing. But we like it and it actually got our teenage son to watch movies with us again.
 
2014-06-18 03:56:28 PM

The Singing Bush: The price point on that phone is insane.  The most expensive 8.9 inch Kindle Fire HDX is $594, and this phone is $649?  That's absurd.


Isn't that pretty much in line with any top-end smartphone not under contract?  I see they have the standard $199 price point with contract.
 
2014-06-18 03:59:56 PM

RexTalionis: Jaden Smith First of His Name: RexTalionis: It's not a 3D display. It's a 2D display with gaze-tracking cameras to give the illusion of depth and parallax.

Is that what the 3DS does? 'Cause it sounds like a 3DS?

No, the 3DS uses a lenticular screen to create two separate images that are redirected in different directions so that when the head is held at a certain position, it gives the effect of 3D.

This phone only has a 2D screen and it creates only 2D images at any given time. However, using the gaze-tracking cameras, it will subtly rerender the image based on the eye position to create the effect that you are looking through a tiny little window.


Jaden: He's a neat but old example of head tracking 2D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jd3-eiid-Uw
 
2014-06-18 04:01:58 PM

Shrugging Atlas: The Singing Bush: The price point on that phone is insane.  The most expensive 8.9 inch Kindle Fire HDX is $594, and this phone is $649?  That's absurd.

Isn't that pretty much in line with any top-end smartphone not under contract?  I see they have the standard $199 price point with contract.


It also gives you an year of Amazon Prime (they will extend your current prime subscription by a year if you already have it) That's worth $99 technically.
 
2014-06-18 04:03:34 PM

Blues_X: Magorn: Blues_X: I like my 3d tv. The industry expecting everyone to run out and replace 2-3yr old sets with new ones just for the 3d feature was idiotic. That's the problem.

3d tvs make me stabby, but largely because I inherited a quirk from my father where can can both see at 65htz and therefore I "see" the "invisible" flicker that makes the glasses work.

Have you tried a passive 3d set? That's what I bought b/c every time I tried an active set at the store I had a horrible nauseating headache within a minute or two.


I bought a Vizio passive 3D TV on the cheap and love it.  Also, I now have enough glasses to cover a massive party from keeping the ones from the theater.
 
2014-06-18 04:08:21 PM

Shrugging Atlas: The Singing Bush: The price point on that phone is insane.  The most expensive 8.9 inch Kindle Fire HDX is $594, and this phone is $649?  That's absurd.

Isn't that pretty much in line with any top-end smartphone not under contract?  I see they have the standard $199 price point with contract.


Is it top end though?  It has that dreadful Fire OS that people only tolerate because Kindle Fires are cheap, which means no Google services.  And it has a smaller lower res screen than most flagships not made by Apple.

Amazon sells the S5 and M8 for $99 on contract.   Would you buy this over either of those phones for the same price?
 
2014-06-18 04:14:16 PM
Will this make cat videos look better?
 
2014-06-18 04:15:43 PM
No Google it should be free. Frankly I'm surprised that they aren't just giving it away since you will be locked in to their service. I like Amazon and have Prime, but I'm not interested in a limited phone that locks me in that costs 600 bucks.
 
2014-06-18 04:22:10 PM
I'm holding out for the Fark Phone with a dedicated UFIA button. I'll spend extra for the breathalyzer attachment that helps avoid sober Farking.
 
2014-06-18 04:24:03 PM
I use 3D SSH sessions.  Best of old and new.
 
2014-06-18 04:27:05 PM

Blues_X: Magorn: Blues_X: I like my 3d tv. The industry expecting everyone to run out and replace 2-3yr old sets with new ones just for the 3d feature was idiotic. That's the problem.

3d tvs make me stabby, but largely because I inherited a quirk from my father where can can both see at 65htz and therefore I "see" the "invisible" flicker that makes the glasses work.

Have you tried a passive 3d set? That's what I bought b/c every time I tried an active set at the store I had a horrible nauseating headache within a minute or two.

Confabulat: There's lots of advantages to it, but it's just a feature. It's not like everyone is going to walk around the house watching Big Bang Theory with glasses on their faces.

I agree completely. It's a one or twice a week thing. But we like it and it actually got our teenage son to watch movies with us again.


I haven't, good tip, and welcome  brother mutant, that whanging headache you got is a clear sign you are "one of us"   Do slightly malfunctioning fluorescent lights bug the fark out of you too?
 
2014-06-18 04:32:39 PM

The Singing Bush: Shrugging Atlas: The Singing Bush: The price point on that phone is insane.  The most expensive 8.9 inch Kindle Fire HDX is $594, and this phone is $649?  That's absurd.

Isn't that pretty much in line with any top-end smartphone not under contract?  I see they have the standard $199 price point with contract.

Is it top end though?  It has that dreadful Fire OS that people only tolerate because Kindle Fires are cheap, which means no Google services.  And it has a smaller lower res screen than most flagships not made by Apple.

Amazon sells the S5 and M8 for $99 on contract.   Would you buy this over either of those phones for the same price?


anybody inthe "cheap but decent Tablet" market should be snapping the last of the Nook HDs rather than a Kindle Fire anyway.   Once nook dropped the walled garden and went to full android compatibility on the last gen those things were a steal.  Got my wife a 32 gig tablet (and BTW they also have and SD card slot) with a 9in screen for $129 just before Christmas.
 
2014-06-18 04:34:29 PM

Big Merl: I'm holding out for the Fark Phone with a dedicated UFIA button. I'll spend extra for the breathalyzer attachment that helps avoid sober Farking.


I sense a photoshop contest in the near future......
 
2014-06-18 04:39:58 PM

The Singing Bush: Is it top end though?  It has that dreadful Fire OS that people only tolerate because Kindle Fires are cheap, which means no Google services.  And it has a smaller lower res screen than most flagships not made by Apple.

Amazon sells the S5 and M8 for $99 on contract.   Would you buy this over either of those phones for the same price?


Would I buy it personally?  No, but I'm definitely not their target audience.  Though I have an HD Kindle Fire which I use constantly for movie/tv, it's only because I have Prime....the second Amazon makes a Prime app for Android, I'm out (which they probably won't for that very reason).  And I have no desire or need to have the same experience on a phone which is basically a smaller version of the Fire you can use to make calls.  I also am constantly screwing around and rooting my phones so I want something as open as possible.  Would I recommend it to my wife who's currently running around with an iPhone 4 and going to upgrade soon?  Possibly, because the last thing I want to deal with is her farting around with an open Android phone and she'd benefit from the prime membership aspects of it.

I think the biggest problem with this phone isn't the price, it's the same one that applies to all of them out there....there's too damn many and they are all too damn similar.  That Firefly app and the Mayday help thing might help set it apart some, but then only for people that are already invested in the Amazon ecosystem or wish to become so.

I dunno, nothing ventured, nothing gained I suppose.  It's not like Amazon would be hurt terribly if this thing flops.
 
2014-06-18 04:47:29 PM

Magorn: Do slightly malfunctioning fluorescent lights bug the fark out of you too?



Sometimes, but not always. I did check out the active sets in a BestBuy under some fluorescent lighting. I've wondered if the two mixed together might have made my headache worse.
 
2014-06-18 05:16:35 PM

RexTalionis: Jaden Smith First of His Name: RexTalionis: It's not a 3D display. It's a 2D display with gaze-tracking cameras to give the illusion of depth and parallax.

Is that what the 3DS does? 'Cause it sounds like a 3DS?

No, the 3DS uses a lenticular screen to create two separate images that are redirected in different directions so that when the head is held at a certain position, it gives the effect of 3D.

This phone only has a 2D screen and it creates only 2D images at any given time. However, using the gaze-tracking cameras, it will subtly rerender the image based on the eye position to create the effect that you are looking through a tiny little window.


And you can turn this feature off if it bothers you...at least according to the accessibility specs info page on the Amazon site.
 
2014-06-18 07:08:44 PM

Magorn: anybody inthe "cheap but decent Tablet" market should be snapping the last of the Nook HDs rather than a Kindle Fire anyway.


For what it's worth, the Fire HDX 8.9 is far and away the nicest tablet in my collection from a hardware standpoint. It's surprisingly light for its size, has a 2560x1600 screen, and tons of RAM and CPU to throw around. FireOS is somewhat lame, but it's not too hard to side-load applications (I miss the official Youtube client, but I like Firefox and K9 better than Chrome and Gmail anyway). There's also something to be said for the fact that Amazon's tablets have consistent UIs across devices and form factors.

Nook HDs aren't exactly bad devices, but they're nothing special hardware-wise, and they need a lot of love from the Play Store to make up for the inadequacies of the default Barnes and Noble launcher and software they use.

At the end of the day, I can see the value Amazon is offering. If nothing else, think what having a "Mayday" button to connect with a live technician will mean if you're the person who gets bothered every time your mother has a technology problem.
 
2014-06-18 09:45:00 PM
likefunbutnot:

At the end of the day, I can see the value Amazon is offering. If nothing else, think what having a "Mayday" button to connect with a live technician will mean if you're the person who gets bothered every time your mother has a technology problem.


Sweet Jesus, THIS.
 
2014-06-18 09:54:58 PM

Big Merl: I'm holding out for the Fark Phone with a dedicated UFIA button. I'll spend extra for the breathalyzer attachment that helps avoid sober Farking.


oooh yeah, and an "out the submitter" button.
 
2014-06-18 11:44:42 PM
AT&T is expected to be the exclusive carrier for the phone.


i340.photobucket.com
 
2014-06-19 12:29:51 AM

Blues_X: I like my 3d tv. The industry expecting everyone to run out and replace 2-3yr old sets with new ones just for the 3d feature was idiotic. That's the problem.


Or maybe if Sony realized that wearing 3D glasses that hurts to wear more than an hour might discourage the whole 3D movie watching thing.
 
2014-06-19 09:15:18 AM

The Singing Bush: Shrugging Atlas: The Singing Bush: The price point on that phone is insane.  The most expensive 8.9 inch Kindle Fire HDX is $594, and this phone is $649?  That's absurd.

Isn't that pretty much in line with any top-end smartphone not under contract?  I see they have the standard $199 price point with contract.

Is it top end though?  It has that dreadful Fire OS that people only tolerate because Kindle Fires are cheap, which means no Google services.  And it has a smaller lower res screen than most flagships not made by Apple.

Amazon sells the S5 and M8 for $99 on contract.   Would you buy this over either of those phones for the same price?


Well, when those phones were $199 on contract, they were $650 unlocked. I think that the subsidized phone thing is a crap deal. I have a month-month plan with T-mobile for $30 talk/text/unlimited data. My phone is a Nexus 4, which I paid $300 for from the Play store. So, for two years with this plan, total cost is $300 + 24x$30  = $1020. Buying a subsidized Samsung or Apple phone on a contract, with the same features: $200 + 24x$90 = $2360. Even if you get the phone on sale for $100, it's still over twice as much money.

So, I'm saving about $670/year this way, and I have a top-end phone with unlimited data. Even if I bought an unlocked $650 phone, I'm still saving $500/year by not subsidizing, so I could afford to buy a new phone every 18 months and still save money if I ran the old one over with a car.
 
2014-06-19 09:52:05 AM
I pre-ordered an Amazon phone with the intention to port my existing apps to the device.  My apps are 3D games and would look really cool with the Dynamic Perspective feature. I was hoping that having them ready to go shortly after the device was launched.  This might generate decent enough sales to cover the price of the device and perhaps get some press/customer attention.

I expected people to be a little more interested in the phone but after reading the replies in this thread and elsewhere, people seem to have responded with a pretty definite "meh".  The specs on the phone seem outdated and whatever else the phone does that is unique doesn't look like it will cause people to jump to it.  Now, if the phone were free with 2 year contract, it might be attractive.

I'm considering cancelling my pre-order. This device looks DOA. Does anybody have any thoughts?
 
2014-06-19 07:20:17 PM
physt:

I'm considering cancelling my pre-order. This device looks DOA. Does anybody have any thoughts?

Sometimes.
 
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