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2014-06-18 09:41:11 AM  
It was asinine when it happened under Bush, which is the perfect reason it's ok under Obama.
 
2014-06-18 10:18:44 AM  
It's amusing how much different the tone at the NRO was when we were talking about the Bush administration, a scandal involving the firing of U.S. attorneys for political reasons, and a shiatload of "lost" emails.
 
2014-06-18 10:47:31 AM  

exick: It's amusing how much different the tone at the NRO was when we were talking about the Bush administration, a scandal involving the firing of U.S. attorneys for political reasons, and a shiatload of "lost" emails.


Oh well...in that case...


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2014-06-18 11:06:42 AM  
I do believe this is just a manufactured scandal, but it is a bit strange that the e-mails disappeared.

Even if they were targeted though, I don't really have an issue with it.  Liberal groups were targeted as well, and with the entire raison d'etre of the teabaggers being avoiding taxes (supposedly) they warranted extra scrutiny.

If nothing else it's amusing to watch the rightwingers throw tantrums over being stonewalled.
 
2014-06-18 11:49:52 AM  
Listen, this email fad is going to go away soon.  I mean, it has to be the most unreliable system of communication in which you get to keep a copy of the communication in forever.  You never heard of the Pony Express losing mail.  Or the USPS.  And faxes are like written in stone.  This email thing was a terrible idea to begin with.
 
2014-06-18 12:41:45 PM  
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2014-06-18 12:43:37 PM  
Benghazi and Bergdahl aren't providing enough outrage, time to amp up the IRS nonsense, I guess.  We have to be mad about something!
 
2014-06-18 12:45:08 PM  
There's no conspiracy here.  The story, as I understand it, is that the main server email backup tapes were overwritten every six months, as a matter of routine policy.  "Important" emails (based on some vague definition) were to be saved locally on the employee's hard drive permanently.  A few employees (including Lois Lerner) had hard drive crashes that destroyed the entire contents of their hard drives, including said backups of emails.
 
2014-06-18 12:45:56 PM  
The IRS said it lost emails from lots of people in the crash.  Is the GOP going to pretend each person whose email was lost is a new outrage?
 
2014-06-18 12:47:00 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: I do believe this is just a manufactured scandal, but it is a bit strange that the e-mails disappeared.


As a matter of law, do they have to keep records? If so, the people responsible for the design of the system should be fired. It simply isn't possible if you set a server up right.
 
2014-06-18 12:47:52 PM  
This is why the Democrats are so dumb.  They should just be like Palin and conduct government business on regular personal accounts.  Or should just "lose" all of the e-mails.  Or should have their own shadow secret e-mail system.  http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/court-set-to-release-email s -documents-tied-to-ex-aide-to-scott-walker-b99208267z1-246128301.html
 
2014-06-18 12:49:06 PM  

Geotpf: There's no conspiracy here.  The story, as I understand it, is that the main server email backup tapes were overwritten every six months, as a matter of routine policy.  "Important" emails (based on some vague definition) were to be saved locally on the employee's hard drive permanently.  A few employees (including Lois Lerner) had hard drive crashes that destroyed the entire contents of their hard drives, including said backups of emails.


which is a ridiculous that you would only use if you want plausible deniability. Again can the ones responsible and make sure that lame excuse can't be used again.
 
2014-06-18 12:51:31 PM  
The servers determining how much you owe the government never break down.....its always the servers involved in some sort of subpoena of information.

Odd that....
 
2014-06-18 12:53:57 PM  

Geotpf: There's no conspiracy here.  The story, as I understand it, is that the main server email backup tapes were overwritten every six months, as a matter of routine policy.  "Important" emails (based on some vague definition) were to be saved locally on the employee's hard drive permanently.  A few employees (including Lois Lerner) had hard drive crashes that destroyed the entire contents of their hard drives, including said backups of emails.


That kind of stuff happens all the time.  Space costs money, technical expertise costs money.  They (Congress and/or the IRS) need to budget more money for more space, or a backup system that doesn't re-use tapes as often.
 
2014-06-18 12:54:04 PM  

Geotpf: There's no conspiracy here.  The story, as I understand it, is that the main server email backup tapes were overwritten every six months, as a matter of routine policy.  "Important" emails (based on some vague definition) were to be saved locally on the employee's hard drive permanently.  A few employees (including Lois Lerner) had hard drive crashes that destroyed the entire contents of their hard drives, including said backups of emails.


For the love all that is good in the world, please tell me this is a joke. You would destroy my last tattered shred of faith in humanity if this was the actual policy.
 
2014-06-18 12:54:50 PM  

Geotpf: There's no conspiracy here.  The story, as I understand it, is that the main server email backup tapes were overwritten every six months, as a matter of routine policy.  "Important" emails (based on some vague definition) were to be saved locally on the employee's hard drive permanently.  A few employees (including Lois Lerner) had hard drive crashes that destroyed the entire contents of their hard drives, including said backups of emails.


Employees were supposedly allocated some laughably pathetically small amount of inbox space. They were told to archive the emails; which was done on their local drives. And then the local drives crash, and there are tears. And that explains everything.

Except the gross incompetence of well, pretty much everyone from IT to management, to ... well, we're never going to find out.

So, "wow, oh wow" image here...

Well, I'm just glad to see no one is terribly upset by this. So, nothing to see here. I'm looking forward to more Bush comparisons.
 
2014-06-18 12:55:22 PM  

The Larch: Geotpf: There's no conspiracy here.  The story, as I understand it, is that the main server email backup tapes were overwritten every six months, as a matter of routine policy.  "Important" emails (based on some vague definition) were to be saved locally on the employee's hard drive permanently.  A few employees (including Lois Lerner) had hard drive crashes that destroyed the entire contents of their hard drives, including said backups of emails.

For the love all that is good in the world, please tell me this is a joke. You would destroy my last tattered shred of faith in humanity if this was the actual policy.


Well dude, go buy that rope.  There was a thread on here yesterday about it.
 
2014-06-18 12:57:15 PM  

Giltric: The servers determining how much you owe the government never break down...


Except when they do.
 
2014-06-18 12:58:16 PM  
This "scandal" has been going on for a while.

When were the IRS emails subpoenaed and when was the server crash?

Did the government drag their feet on the subpoena for a year?
 
2014-06-18 12:58:19 PM  
Why does Fark allow links from some mainstream conservative white supremacist sites like NRO, Breitbart, FOX News, and American Thinker, but not other mainstream conservative white supremacist sites like Stormfront.org and the National Front? Seems kind of arbitrary to pick and choose among GOP media sources like that.
 
2014-06-18 12:59:21 PM  
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2014-06-18 01:00:23 PM  

incendi: Giltric: The servers determining how much you owe the government never break down...

Except when they do.


Thats the e file system....not the server farm that has all your info from past filings and what they predict you owe for the upcoming tax year.

The e-file being down is like not being able to use Amazons checkout/shopping cart.
 
2014-06-18 01:01:18 PM  

gimmegimme: This is why the Democrats are so dumb.  They should just be like Palin and conduct government business on regular personal accounts.  Or should just "lose" all of the e-mails.  Or should have their own shadow secret e-mail system.  http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/court-set-to-release-email s -documents-tied-to-ex-aide-to-scott-walker-b99208267z1-246128301.html


That's why all my office and campaign staff use Regan.com email.
 
2014-06-18 01:02:35 PM  

cubic_spleen: Why does Fark allow links from some mainstream conservative white supremacist sites like NRO, Breitbart, FOX News, and American Thinker, but not other mainstream conservative white supremacist sites like Stormfront.org and the National Front? Seems kind of arbitrary to pick and choose among GOP media sources like that.


It would be like asking why fark didnt link to an MSNBC article explaining events......they would just say its because obama is black to try to  sweep it under the rug......stormfront would also say its because obama is black but they have a different reason for mentioning race.
 
2014-06-18 01:04:11 PM  

TheGogmagog: gimmegimme: This is why the Democrats are so dumb.  They should just be like Palin and conduct government business on regular personal accounts.  Or should just "lose" all of the e-mails.  Or should have their own shadow secret e-mail system.  http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/court-set-to-release-email s -documents-tied-to-ex-aide-to-scott-walker-b99208267z1-246128301.html

That's why all my office and campaign staff use Regan.com email.


What does the secretary of the treasury under Ronald Reagan have to do with it?
 
2014-06-18 01:05:03 PM  

Giltric: Thats the e file system....not the server farm that has all your info from past filings and what they predict you owe for the upcoming tax year.

The e-file being down is like not being able to use Amazons checkout/shopping cart.


Yes, yes, pick up those goalposts and run,
 
2014-06-18 01:05:52 PM  
This crap is asinine, but it works.  This is one of the top stories on Memeorandum this morning:

Chuck Todd: The Public Is Telling Obama His Presidency Is 'Over'

Engage with total scorched earth warfare with the president, and eventually the public will just throw their hands in the air and say, "To hell with this".  So we get to have 2 1/4 years of lame duck, with a likely impeachment thrown in for fun, because being a Democratic President (especially a blah one) is in and of itself an impeachable offence. 

As Charles Pierce likes to say, this is your democracy, America.   Cherish it.
 
2014-06-18 01:07:52 PM  

incendi: Giltric: Thats the e file system....not the server farm that has all your info from past filings and what they predict you owe for the upcoming tax year.

The e-file being down is like not being able to use Amazons checkout/shopping cart.

Yes, yes, pick up those goalposts and run,


The response to my original query was a moving of the golaposts.

Im basically saying the poster moved the goalposts....but maybe things have to be spelled out for you cause reading is hard.
 
2014-06-18 01:16:30 PM  
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2014-06-18 01:18:56 PM  

The Larch: Geotpf: There's no conspiracy here.  The story, as I understand it, is that the main server email backup tapes were overwritten every six months, as a matter of routine policy.  "Important" emails (based on some vague definition) were to be saved locally on the employee's hard drive permanently.  A few employees (including Lois Lerner) had hard drive crashes that destroyed the entire contents of their hard drives, including said backups of emails.

For the love all that is good in the world, please tell me this is a joke. You would destroy my last tattered shred of faith in humanity if this was the actual policy.


Yesterday's link on this topic (look about 30 stories below):

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2014/06/16/heres-how- th e-irs-lost-emails-from-key-witness-lois-lerner/?wpsrc=AG0003357

Prior to the eruption of the IRS controversy last spring, the IRS had a policy of backing up the data on its email server (which runs Microsoft Outlook) every day. It kept a backup of the records for six months on digital tape, according to a letter sent from the IRS to Sens. Ron Wyden (D-Ore.) and Orrin Hatch (R-Utah). After six months, the IRS would reuse those tapes for newer backups. So when Congressional committees began requesting emails from the agency, its records only went back to late 2012.

The IRS also had two other policies that complicated things. The first was a limit on how big its employees' email inboxes could be. At the IRS, employees could keep 500 megabytes of data on the email server. If the mailbox got too big, email would need to be deleted or moved to a local folder on the user's computer.

Emails considered an "official record" of the IRS couldn't be deleted and, in fact, needed to also have a hard copy filed. Those emails that constitute an official record are ones that are loosely defined under IRS Policy  as ones that were "[c]reated or received in the transaction of agency business," "appropriate for preservation as evidence of the government's function or activities," or "valuable because of the information they contain". The letter sent to the senators suggests that it was up to the user to determine what emails met those standards. It's not clear if Lerner had any hard copies of important emails.

The effect of the size limit and the need to preserve records is that IRS employees have local copies of emails, particularly important ones. That's the good news. By searching Lerner's computer and those of other employees, the agency was able to compile thousands of emails sent from and to Lerner from 2011 to 2013.

And then the bad news: In 2011, Lerner's computer crashed. She requested that the IRS' information technology division try and recover the data from her hard drive. It was unable to do so, and it appears that individual machines like hers weren't backed up.


Looks like she was also supposed to print out a copy of the "important emails" and file it but didn't, but meh.
 
2014-06-18 01:26:00 PM  

Giltric: The servers determining how much you owe the government never break down.....its always the servers involved in some sort of subpoena of information.

Odd that....


Giltric: incendi: Giltric: Thats the e file system....not the server farm that has all your info from past filings and what they predict you owe for the upcoming tax year.

The e-file being down is like not being able to use Amazons checkout/shopping cart.

Yes, yes, pick up those goalposts and run,

The response to my original query was a moving of the golaposts.

Im basically saying the poster moved the goalposts....but maybe things have to be spelled out for you cause reading is hard.


The government determines what you owe based on your filing, much like Amazon determines what you owe based on the contents of your shopping cart.

In any case, don't let that get in the way of your conspiracy theorizing. There's totally something up besides an asinine and ineffective confluence of data retention laws, policies, and practices.
 
2014-06-18 01:49:02 PM  

Geotpf: Looks like she was also supposed to print out a copy of the "important emails" and file it but didn't, but meh.


What she was "supposed to do" is moot.

Their entire backup policies hinges on how each employee judges every email. That's insane. But, not surprising, it is the government at work, after all.

Lois Lerner has been caught in lies before, so her judgement is questionable. I'm sure she might have deemed the "emails of interest" as "unimportant". So, they're loooong gone. I wonder what the IRS did to try to recover them; probably just simple software stuff. Do they have a clean room? Or did they spend the $10-20k (the rough amount of a backup solution for a good sized department) to actually try to spin down the drive? At any rate, the drive has probably been destroyed (who keeps dead drives, right?)... So, this thing gets stopped cold.

Lois wins. Everyone else loses. Victory!

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2014-06-18 01:52:32 PM  

Destructor: Geotpf: Looks like she was also supposed to print out a copy of the "important emails" and file it but didn't, but meh.

What she was "supposed to do" is moot.

Their entire backup policies hinges on how each employee judges every email. That's insane. But, not surprising, it is the government at work, after all.

Lois Lerner has been caught in lies before, so her judgement is questionable. I'm sure she might have deemed the "emails of interest" as "unimportant". So, they're loooong gone. I wonder what the IRS did to try to recover them; probably just simple software stuff. Do they have a clean room? Or did they spend the $10-20k (the rough amount of a backup solution for a good sized department) to actually try to spin down the drive? At any rate, the drive has probably been destroyed (who keeps dead drives, right?)... So, this thing gets stopped cold.

Lois wins. Everyone else loses. Victory!

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Well, you know, maybe if Congress wanted permanent storage of emails, they should send the IRS enough money to purchase all the necessary equipment for said things.  If there's no money for that, seems like the IRS policy was the best option, given the constraints of reality.
 
2014-06-18 01:58:29 PM  

bglove25: Well, you know, maybe if Congress wanted permanent storage of emails, they should send the IRS enough money to purchase all the necessary equipment for said things. If there's no money for that, seems like the IRS policy was the best option, given the constraints of reality.


I don't believe it.

No money for a piece of equipment easily a fraction the cost of an employees salary, and even a smaller fraction of one of their all-expense paid morale building sessions. Or Star Trek productions.

Why do they want a piece of equipment that makes them responsible? What's in it for them?
 
2014-06-18 01:58:40 PM  
You'd think an institution like the IRS would have a fairly sophisticated system for archiving interoffice messages. But, given the issues at other departments, like the VA, it's clear that the Federal Government's IT infrastructure is pretty shiatty. I've seen very nice storage systems for emails that store everything and even hash the files and make the entire system able to be searched, even validated for things like evidence for court cases where you have to show nothing has modified the files for X number of years.

But that stuff is expensive and they don't even seem to have the necessary basics, so expecting them to have something that can store email for 10+ years is kind of idiotic.
 
2014-06-18 01:59:22 PM  

The Larch: Geotpf: There's no conspiracy here.  The story, as I understand it, is that the main server email backup tapes were overwritten every six months, as a matter of routine policy.  "Important" emails (based on some vague definition) were to be saved locally on the employee's hard drive permanently.  A few employees (including Lois Lerner) had hard drive crashes that destroyed the entire contents of their hard drives, including said backups of emails.

For the love all that is good in the world, please tell me this is a joke. You would destroy my last tattered shred of faith in humanity if this was the actual policy.


That's actually an improvement on my company's e-mail policy.  Officially, any e-mails older than 30 days are supposed to be deleted, and our mail server is configured to automatically do so.  There is no provision for saving "important" e-mails, but so far the company has always looked the other way when an employee saves copies of old e-mails on their PC.

Apparently the rule was put into place as a result of Sarbanes-Oxley.  I'm a bit fuzzy on the details, but I think it was because if their policy says that e-mail is only retained for X number of days, then if a court demands that they turn over their e-mails, they're only required to turn over e-mails from the past X number of days.
 
2014-06-18 02:02:01 PM  

Geotpf: The Larch: Geotpf: There's no conspiracy here.  The story, as I understand it, is that the main server email backup tapes were overwritten every six months, as a matter of routine policy.  "Important" emails (based on some vague definition) were to be saved locally on the employee's hard drive permanently.  A few employees (including Lois Lerner) had hard drive crashes that destroyed the entire contents of their hard drives, including said backups of emails.

For the love all that is good in the world, please tell me this is a joke. You would destroy my last tattered shred of faith in humanity if this was the actual policy.

Yesterday's link on this topic (look about 30 stories below):

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2014/06/16/heres-how- th e-irs-lost-emails-from-key-witness-lois-lerner/?wpsrc=AG0003357

Prior to the eruption of the IRS controversy last spring, the IRS had a policy of backing up the data on its email server (which runs Microsoft Outlook) every day. It kept a backup of the records for six months on digital tape, according to a letter sent from the IRS to Sens. Ron Wyden (D-Ore.) and Orrin Hatch (R-Utah). After six months, the IRS would reuse those tapes for newer backups. So when Congressional committees began requesting emails from the agency, its records only went back to late 2012.

The IRS also had two other policies that complicated things. The first was a limit on how big its employees' email inboxes could be. At the IRS, employees could keep 500 megabytes of data on the email server. If the mailbox got too big, email would need to be deleted or moved to a local folder on the user's computer.

Emails considered an "official record" of the IRS couldn't be deleted and, in fact, needed to also have a hard copy filed. Those emails that constitute an official record are ones that are loosely defined under IRS Policy  as ones that were "[c]reated or received in the transaction of agency business," "appropriate for preservation as evi ...


The most ironic thing is I can guarantee you that if the IRS was a policy making political department they'd have much stronger data security because that's what public records laws require. State doesn't get to delete e-mails as they feel like it, because virtually everything they do is subject to FOIA requests and usually end up being unclassified for future reference. Places like the IRS, BLS, and the Census Bureau are very data-driven, a lot of that data is private and has no public value, and there is very little ability to actually make policy changes that don't come down from people who are in the sort of political positions that require highly secure data retention.

If Lois Lerner was coordinating with the White House or Department of Justice, then those groups would have all copies of her communications on file. Full stop. Period. Well, unless they were using private e-mail for work, in which case you would have never have found it even if Lerner's computer didn't crash.
 
2014-06-18 02:02:11 PM  
Cover-up, gross negligence, or incompetence.

"What difference does it make?"
 
2014-06-18 02:03:33 PM  
Heh... GOP is striking out all over the place this week.

Poor things... I'd say these clowns are running out of things to be "outraged" over, but we all know they'll find something soon enough.
 
2014-06-18 02:05:45 PM  
It's hilarious to hear the GOP talking about emails, given the shenanigans that went on under the Bush Administration. Entire servers wiped, staffers encouraged to use personal email accounts in a deliberate (and illegal) attempt to circumvent reporting and documentation requirements...

Good times.
 
2014-06-18 02:07:16 PM  

WhackingDay: But that stuff is expensive and they don't even seem to have the necessary basics, so expecting them to have something that can store email for 10+ years is kind of idiotic.


Well, they expect YOU to store your stuff for 7 years. The least they can do is the same.
 
2014-06-18 02:09:07 PM  

qorkfiend: It's hilarious to hear the GOP talking about emails, given the shenanigans that went on under the Bush Administration. Entire servers wiped, staffers encouraged to use personal email accounts in a deliberate (and illegal) attempt to circumvent reporting and documentation requirements...

Good times.


:-) When you can't blame Bush, let his malfeasance become your inspiration.
 
2014-06-18 02:11:17 PM  
I wonder if they would take the excuse of "my hard drive crashed" as a solid excuse in an audit.
 
2014-06-18 02:12:08 PM  

Grungehamster: undeclassified for future reference (though that can be decades before they are fully ok'd for release, the law says any documents generated have to be made public eventually when all concerns are satisfied.)


FTFM.
 
2014-06-18 02:13:16 PM  

Destructor: WhackingDay: But that stuff is expensive and they don't even seem to have the necessary basics, so expecting them to have something that can store email for 10+ years is kind of idiotic.

Well, they expect YOU to store your stuff for 7 years. The least they can do is the same.


That's true. I guess what I'm saying is that I once did expect government departments to have the critical IT infrastructure to keep important records, but after seeing how the VA does things (wife works there), it's clear to me that it's just not a very important focus for them.

You see that the IRS' budget was cut today too... so, I'm sure there's no multi-million dollar investment in upgrading their data centers any time in the future either.

This is just typical of the GOP... cut funding for critical stuff, then complain when critical stuff doesn't work.
 
2014-06-18 02:22:31 PM  

WhackingDay: That's true. I guess what I'm saying is that I once did expect government departments to have the critical IT infrastructure to keep important records, but after seeing how the VA does things (wife works there), it's clear to me that it's just not a very important focus for them.


Liberals seem to examine human nature as it applies to Capitalism in order to better explain its faults.

Lets try that one weird trick here (liberals hate it!).

What was the motivation behind the waiting lists at the VA? Bonuses based on the appearance of short waits. Because people like money. What justification in the mind of the perpetrators was there? A line is a line. They're not going to get any shorter if they're reported, so it appears to be a minor infraction. The major infraction, of course, is that accurate waiting times aren't being reported back to HQ.

Backup devices/services. Why does someone in government want to waste money on a device or service out of their budget that can only make them look bad? Instead of producing a fun Star Trek movie or taking the gang out somewhere, or spreading it around on bonuses? Answer: They don't. And that's why employees have a mere 500MB of storage on a server, and are asked to "judge" emails as important or not... (and why we have crappy Star Trek funtime movies from the IRS).

WhackingDay: This is just typical of the GOP... cut funding for critical stuff, then complain when critical stuff doesn't work.


It's disgusting and pure politics and I hate them for it.
 
2014-06-18 02:29:31 PM  

Geotpf: There's no conspiracy here.  The story, as I understand it, is that the main server email backup tapes were overwritten every six months, as a matter of routine policy.  "Important" emails (based on some vague definition) were to be saved locally on the employee's hard drive permanently.  A few employees (including Lois Lerner) had hard drive crashes that destroyed the entire contents of their hard drives, including said backups of emails.


I'm in IT and I'm having a really hard time believing that many hard drives just happened to crash and have absolutely no recoverable information.  In my 20+ years working with computers I've seen fewer than that many HDs actually crash to the point of not being able to get at least some info off of them.  I'm not saying they're lying, but it sure does seem improbable IMHO...
 
2014-06-18 02:33:44 PM  

Geotpf: There's no conspiracy here.  The story, as I understand it, is that the main server email backup tapes were overwritten every six months, as a matter of routine policy.  "Important" emails (based on some vague definition) were to be saved locally on the employee's hard drive permanently.  A few employees (including Lois Lerner) had hard drive crashes that destroyed the entire contents of their hard drives, including said backups of emails.


i bet it all went bad when they upgraded from XP to 7 without upgrading the hardware in her 15 y/o Gateway tower.
 
2014-06-18 02:34:01 PM  

GanjSmokr: I'm in IT and I'm having a really hard time believing that many hard drives just happened to crash and have absolutely no recoverable information. In my 20+ years working with computers I've seen fewer than that many HDs actually crash to the point of not being able to get at least some info off of them. I'm not saying they're lying, but it sure does seem improbable IMHO...


They're either lying or incompetent, or didn't want to spend the money to have them properly recovered. So, they tried some freeware hard drive fix-it on them--maybe. Got bored, and said they were unrecoverable. Who cares if they're not recoverable? What's in it for them to get data out it? The whole thing cuts into precious Minecraft time.
 
2014-06-18 02:35:57 PM  
In the private world - we keep our e-mails forever.  Yes - permanent retention on multiple copies of storage media stored in geographically dispersed vaults.

Expensive?  Yes.  But so is litigation, and the easiest way to cover your ass is with complete records, assuming you've done nothing wrong.  Sure the storage media won't last forever but at least there's some effort.
Besides, it's the one of the best ways to spy on your employees.
 
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