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2014-06-18 09:38:28 AM  
If you're making the creator of MGS jealous, then you're doing something right. Very, very right.
 
2014-06-18 09:52:33 AM  
Screw releasing GTAV on new consoles, I WANT DLC! NOW!
 
2014-06-18 10:54:02 AM  
Yeah, some single player DLC would be good.

Even though I really don't like the mutil-player those heists they said would be coming since launch would be nice.
 
2014-06-18 11:22:49 AM  

Mr. Fuzzypaws: Even though I really don't like the mutil-player those heists they said would be coming since launch would be nice.


I do love GTAV, don't get me wrong, it's a spectacular game.

But it's really quite short, which screams that they have more to offer, but they want to sell it through DLC. Well, don't make us wait any longer than we have to. Release that sh*t.
 
2014-06-18 11:43:01 AM  

Rev.K: But it's really quite short



que?
 
2014-06-18 11:48:47 AM  

Rev.K: But it's really quite short,


I wouldn't call it short. It's certainly not Skyrim or Fallout long, but it took me a solid 80 hours to get all the trophies. That's less than the dollar an hour I hope to get out of a game.
 
2014-06-18 12:09:23 PM  
At least the PC gaming master race now has an eventual release date to look forward to. Are we looking at late summer or the holiday season, though?
 
2014-06-18 12:11:17 PM  

Blues_X: Rev.K: But it's really quite short


que?


Upon further reflection, it does seem that the 300+ hours of Skyrim I completed just prior to GTAV probably skewed the meter a bit.

Still. I was left wanting more, mostly because it's so good, which is exactly what you want in a game.
 
2014-06-18 12:19:24 PM  

Mr. Fuzzypaws: Yeah, some single player DLC would be good.

Even though I really don't like the mutil-player those heists they said would be coming since launch would be nice.


single player looks way better than multi, but i have pretty much ignored it in favor of the chaos of multiplayer.

/still need to find my 'obey tailgater'
/got my merc jeep, but would love to keep the fib suburban
/third slashie breaks into the military base and flys jets to kill from above
 
2014-06-18 12:20:58 PM  

Somaticasual: At least the PC gaming master race now has an eventual release date to look forward to. Are we looking at late summer or the holiday season, though?


I used to look forward to GTA releases. But the 4th one was just boring. You couldn't even buy properties in game. Plus the Pay n Sprays were no good during a cop chase if they saw you drive in. Plus after the main storyline was done and you did the few DLC, there wasn't much side quests to keep it interesting. Plus Niko's cell phone drove me crazy.
 
2014-06-18 12:34:11 PM  

Somaticasual: At least the PC gaming master race now has an eventual release date to look forward to. Are we looking at late summer or the holiday season, though?


GOG.com is having their summer sale right now....

So...I have plenty of PC games to play while I wait.
 
2014-06-18 12:35:15 PM  

skinink: I used to look forward to GTA releases. But the 4th one was just boring. You couldn't even buy properties in game. Plus the Pay n Sprays were no good during a cop chase if they saw you drive in. Plus after the main storyline was done and you did the few DLC, there wasn't much side quests to keep it interesting. Plus Niko's cell phone drove me crazy.


I hated, nay, LOATHED, GTAIV. For all the reasons you just gave. It was a step backwards from San Andreas in every possible way, except graphics.

GTAV however, redeemed it all and then some. GTAV is f*cking spectacular.
 
2014-06-18 12:49:15 PM  

skinink: Somaticasual: At least the PC gaming master race now has an eventual release date to look forward to. Are we looking at late summer or the holiday season, though?

I used to look forward to GTA releases. But the 4th one was just boring. You couldn't even buy properties in game. Plus the Pay n Sprays were no good during a cop chase if they saw you drive in. Plus after the main storyline was done and you did the few DLC, there wasn't much side quests to keep it interesting. Plus Niko's cell phone drove me crazy.


Three little words, New York traffic.  San Andreas and Vice City had some great driving/chase missions because they spread the cars out and allowed you to use the roads.  4 had you memorizing scripted sequences that were designed to bottleneck you and give the illusion you had the open road.
 
2014-06-18 12:50:08 PM  

Rev.K: GTAV however, redeemed it all and then some. GTAV is f*cking spectacular.


Yea, definitely one of my favorite games of last year. The attention to detail alone was astounding. The city actually felt alive. And Trevor acting as the quintessential GTA player was hilarious.
 
2014-06-18 01:04:39 PM  
GTAIV was amazing. GTAV is a million times better. I can't wait to see what the new Red Dead will be like. Still crossing my fingers for an Australian Outback setting.
 
2014-06-18 01:11:11 PM  

mooseyfate: GTAIV was amazing. GTAV is a million times better. I can't wait to see what the new Red Dead will be like. Still crossing my fingers for an Australian Outback setting.


New Red Dead Revolver?

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2014-06-18 01:20:10 PM  

Rev.K: skinink: I used to look forward to GTA releases. But the 4th one was just boring. You couldn't even buy properties in game. Plus the Pay n Sprays were no good during a cop chase if they saw you drive in. Plus after the main storyline was done and you did the few DLC, there wasn't much side quests to keep it interesting. Plus Niko's cell phone drove me crazy.

I hated, nay, LOATHED, GTAIV. For all the reasons you just gave. It was a step backwards from San Andreas in every possible way, except graphics.

GTAV however, redeemed it all and then some. GTAV is f*cking spectacular.


That's not a very fair assessment of GTAIV. It was the first full-fledged game to utilize the Euphoria Engine and it had it's drawbacks at the time. GTAIII is heavily romanticized because of how groundbreaking it was, but it was (and still is) a steaming pile compared to VC and SA. However, in true Rockstar fashion, they created a top-notch game. It didn't have as much filler as more recent Rockstar games, but neither did GTAIII. They had to lay a solid foundation to build upon and they accomplished it with flying colors. Every game they released after that improved on that foundation exponentially. Red Dead brought wilderness to life, polished the graphics, and gave players all the filler and mini-games people thought were lacking in GTAIV. Max Payne 3 further polished the graphics and the way the euphoria engine looks and feels, tightened the hell out of the gunplay, and demonstrated just how impressive their set pieces could be. GTAV took all those improvements from all their past games and made them immaculate. In all likelihood, GTA6 will have similar shortcomings as GTAIV did, but will still be a step forward. People expect way too much these days. It's not like Rockstar puts out shiatty games and only ever releases a quality title once in a blue moon. I can understand why people weren't exactly impressed with GTAIV, but to say it was a terrible game or worse than SA is more than a bit disingenuous and just smacks of looking at their past games through nostalgia. Nostalgia is going to win over reality every time.
 
2014-06-18 01:21:07 PM  
This will be the first game that I will have purchased on launch day twice.
 
2014-06-18 01:27:08 PM  
This the reason we still don't have heists? fark rockstar in the ass sideways.
 
2014-06-18 01:44:46 PM  

mooseyfate: I can understand why people weren't exactly impressed with GTAIV, but to say it was a terrible game or worse than SA is more than a bit disingenuous and just smacks of looking at their past games through nostalgia. Nostalgia is going to win over reality every time.


I love GTA. I loved III, loved Vice City and I absolutely cherish San Andreas.

As I said earlier, other than graphics, GTAIV was a step backwards in every way. The cars were sluggish and unresponsive, the map was highly detailed but way smaller than San Andreas, but worst of all, GTAIV was not fun to play. At all. That game was a f*cking chore.

I tried three times to pick up GTAIV and get into it. I WANTED to love it, I really did.

But it was like pushing rope up a hill and eventually I gave up. So disappointing.

GTAV, on the other hand, brings back a lot of the San Andreas feel and lo and behold, it was amazing.

Obviously GTAV has other qualities and upgrades that GTAIV didn't have, but for me that massive, wide open, varied map was exactly the feature that needed to come back.
 
2014-06-18 02:21:50 PM  

Rev.K: mooseyfate: I can understand why people weren't exactly impressed with GTAIV, but to say it was a terrible game or worse than SA is more than a bit disingenuous and just smacks of looking at their past games through nostalgia. Nostalgia is going to win over reality every time.

I love GTA. I loved III, loved Vice City and I absolutely cherish San Andreas.

As I said earlier, other than graphics, GTAIV was a step backwards in every way. The cars were sluggish and unresponsive, the map was highly detailed but way smaller than San Andreas, but worst of all, GTAIV was not fun to play. At all. That game was a f*cking chore.

I tried three times to pick up GTAIV and get into it. I WANTED to love it, I really did.

But it was like pushing rope up a hill and eventually I gave up. So disappointing.

GTAV, on the other hand, brings back a lot of the San Andreas feel and lo and behold, it was amazing.

Obviously GTAV has other qualities and upgrades that GTAIV didn't have, but for me that massive, wide open, varied map was exactly the feature that needed to come back.


Agree to disagree. I loved GTAIV's map. Size really isn't everything and people tend to forget that SA's map was some decently detailed, small cities surrounded by absolutely nothing. Liberty City felt like a full-fledged city. As for there being nothing to do, I'll just have to submit that there wasn't much pre-programmed stuff to do, but the possibilities were limitless, especially when you used your imagination and had some friends to play free mode online. I had a criminal amount of fun messing around in free mode. Hundreds and hundreds of hours, and I still find new things to do every time a pop IV in. GTAV is better in everyway, but I still very much enjoyed my time with IV. And I still enjoy going back to visit.
 
2014-06-18 03:08:16 PM  
I love PC games. My Steam account is massive.

BUT any PC gamer who says that GTAV is going to be better on PC than consoles is confused. Rockstar will probably not even program keyboard controls for the damn thing. It'll be "get yourself an xbox one controller for your PC or get out."

Rockstar will probably have one slider for the graphics options too, "garbage" - "unoptimized garbage"

Sure, modders will get in there and make it something nice, and make it look brilliant. But why should I have to download a 6gb patch fan patch for a game, why couldn't the developers just give us what we wanted to begin with?

Stop treating PC as a red-headed step child.
 
2014-06-18 03:10:47 PM  

Somaticasual: At least the PC gaming master race now has an eventual release date to look forward to. Are we looking at late summer or the holiday season, though?


Yep, they can look forward to the day when they can install GTAV on their PC, and then immediately plug in a controller to play. Because driving mechanics using a keyboard have never stopped being terrible.
 
2014-06-18 03:15:55 PM  

mooseyfate: . but the possibilities were limitless, especially when you used your imagination and had some friends to play free mode online. I had a criminal amount of fun messing around in free mode. Hundreds and hundreds of hours, and I still find new things to do every time a pop IV in.


Rocket launcher skeet shooting at cars going over jumps NEVER got old. And catching someone with a helicopter blade and sending them soaring into the ocean was all kinds of rewarding. I never completed the campaign, but free mode made that game worth the cost.
 
2014-06-18 03:23:01 PM  

weclock:  Rockstar will probably not even program keyboard controls for the damn thing. It'll be "get yourself an xbox one controller for your PC or get out."


Why the hell would you want to play Grand Theft Auto with a keyboard?
 
2014-06-18 04:47:42 PM  

weclock: I love PC games. My Steam account is massive.

BUT any PC gamer who says that GTAV is going to be better on PC than consoles is confused. Rockstar will probably not even program keyboard controls for the damn thing. It'll be "get yourself an xbox one controller for your PC or get out."

Rockstar will probably have one slider for the graphics options too, "garbage" - "unoptimized garbage"

Sure, modders will get in there and make it something nice, and make it look brilliant. But why should I have to download a 6gb patch fan patch for a game, why couldn't the developers just give us what we wanted to begin with?

Stop treating PC as a red-headed step child.


Your thoughts on Ubi hobbling the PC release of Watch Dogs so the 'next gen' versions don't look so crappy?

This really pissed me off. Of course, I don't buy new games (except Bethesda), so it didn't affect me.
 
2014-06-18 05:23:14 PM  

quiotu: Somaticasual: At least the PC gaming master race now has an eventual release date to look forward to. Are we looking at late summer or the holiday season, though?

Yep, they can look forward to the day when they can install GTAV on their PC, and then immediately plug in a controller to play. Because driving mechanics using a keyboard have never stopped being terrible.


Any GTA game doesn't need that good of a driving control. I played GTA4 on the 360, and hated using the controller for driving. Also played Dirt on the XBox and also using the controller for that was bad.
 
2014-06-18 05:37:03 PM  

Witty_Retort: weclock: I love PC games. My Steam account is massive.

BUT any PC gamer who says that GTAV is going to be better on PC than consoles is confused. Rockstar will probably not even program keyboard controls for the damn thing. It'll be "get yourself an xbox one controller for your PC or get out."

Rockstar will probably have one slider for the graphics options too, "garbage" - "unoptimized garbage"

Sure, modders will get in there and make it something nice, and make it look brilliant. But why should I have to download a 6gb patch fan patch for a game, why couldn't the developers just give us what we wanted to begin with?

Stop treating PC as a red-headed step child.

Your thoughts on Ubi hobbling the PC release of Watch Dogs so the 'next gen' versions don't look so crappy?

This really pissed me off. Of course, I don't buy new games (except Bethesda), so it didn't affect me.


I'd be willing to wager that it's more a case of Ubisoft encountering performance issues with the game running at max settings for the PC and just being too damn lazy to fix it.
 
2014-06-18 05:54:57 PM  

skinink: quiotu: Somaticasual: At least the PC gaming master race now has an eventual release date to look forward to. Are we looking at late summer or the holiday season, though?

Yep, they can look forward to the day when they can install GTAV on their PC, and then immediately plug in a controller to play. Because driving mechanics using a keyboard have never stopped being terrible.

Any GTA game doesn't need that good of a driving control. I played GTA4 on the 360, and hated using the controller for driving. Also played Dirt on the XBox and also using the controller for that was bad.


The beauty of GTA4 came from having a proper wheel & pedals and triple screen resolution.  God damn entertainment power house once you throw that into the mix.  Even my girlfriend who traditionally dislikes racing games or gaming in general has a blast with that.

Let's hope now that GTA5 is being prepped for stronger systems then the prehistoric 360 & PS3 its engine will get the attention it deserves.
 
2014-06-18 05:57:47 PM  
GTA IV's main campaign wasn't good, but GTA IV The Lost & The Damned, and The Ballad of Gay Tony were both quite good.

GTA V was good, but it was way too short.

Either way, I still don't see any reason to upgrade to a newer console. The changes are minor graphical tweaks. Better lighting, better shadows, more stuff on screen... but it's all fluff. Filler. Window dressing. It doesn't change game play one bit.


weclock: BUT any PC gamer who says that GTAV is going to be better on PC than consoles is confused. Rockstar will probably not even program keyboard controls for the damn thing. It'll be "get yourself an xbox one controller for your PC or get out."



Seriously, why the hell would you want to play an action game like this with a mouse and keyboard? You can pick up an Xbox One controller for around $30 bucks if you shop around, and it's well worth it. Unfortunately, the Xbox One controller is only wired for PC at this moment, but wireless will come eventually. If you need wireless, the dongle for the Xbox 360 controller is inexpensive and the 360 controllers are going cheap in the used market now.

I'm mainly a PC gamer, but I kinda hate mouse & keyboard now. I want to lean back and play, not hunch over a desk with my face six inches from the screen. Controllers are just *better* for action/rpg games like this and Skyrim.
 
2014-06-18 06:05:25 PM  

Nix Nightbird: Seriously, why the hell would you want to play an action game like this with a mouse and keyboard? You can pick up an Xbox One controller for around $30 bucks if you shop around, and it's well worth it. Unfortunately, the Xbox One controller is only wired for PC at this moment, but wireless will come eventually. If you need wireless, the dongle for the Xbox 360 controller is inexpensive and the 360 controllers are going cheap in the used market now.

I'm mainly a PC gamer, but I kinda hate mouse & keyboard now. I want to lean back and play, not hunch over a desk with my face six inches from the screen. Controllers are just *better* for action/rpg games like this and Skyrim.


I dunno, get some glasses or visit a doctor?  You keep saying you sit six inches from the screen and handle a mouse like an epileptic in shock, the rest of us sit back in our comfy chairs or have mastered the highly difficult task of figuring out how to get a mouse to work when prone on a couch.  Seek help feeble one, seek it before its too late.
 
2014-06-18 06:19:30 PM  

BumpInTheNight: The beauty of GTA4 came from having a proper wheel & pedals


I have a friend who refuses to use a controller. Watching him try to navigate anywhere on foot with the wheel on the 360 version was both hilarious and frustrating.
 
2014-06-18 08:46:34 PM  
 

Seriously, why the hell would you want to play an action game like this with a mouse and keyboard?

 weclock:  Rockstar will probably not even program keyboard controls for the damn thing. It'll be "get yourself an xbox one controller for your PC or get out."

Why the hell would you want to play Grand Theft Auto with a keyboard?


I'm comfortable with a mouse and keyboard, and many disabled gamers prefer mouse and keyboard because it allows you to rebind. I played all of Vice City with a mouse and keyboard. Having a joystick as an option is nice, but being able to finely aim is more important to me. Even Street Fighter 4 allows you to play with the keyboard, when really you shouldn't use anything less than a fight stick.

Regardless, GTAV will still be an unoptimized piece of shiat, just like GTAIV was, I'm sure.

 
Your thoughts on Ubi hobbling the PC release of Watch Dogs so the 'next gen' versions don't look so crappy?

This really pissed me off. Of course, I don't buy new games (except Bethesda), so it didn't affect me.


I skipped out on Watch Dogs, the "hacking" is so stupid movie garbage that it didn't seem worth it, that and it was described to me as a "modern day assassins creed" and basically I hate assassins creed, so yeah, skipped it entirely. As I'll probably be doing with GTAV - because it's clear to me that what I like in a GTA game (silliness) isn't what Rockstar wants to give me.

But overall, I think it's hilarious how ham-fisted Ubisoft is. All I've heard about watchdergs is that it's awful and doesn't live up to the hype. And honestly, getting excited about a AAA game coming from a huge studio, is probably the worst thing you can do to yourself if you're a PC gamer. Get excited about Indie titles, get excited about The Humble Bundle, get excited for GOG.com - these people know how to treat PC gamers.
 
2014-06-18 08:47:11 PM  
also, I apparently can't format comments properly, wweeeee
 
2014-06-18 11:10:11 PM  

weclock: also, I apparently can't format comments properly, wweeeee


That was....quite a farkin' thing.
 
2014-06-18 11:16:35 PM  

weclock: Seriously, why the hell would you want to play an action game like this with a mouse and keyboard?

 weclock:  Rockstar will probably not even program keyboard controls for the damn thing. It'll be "get yourself an xbox one controller for your PC or get out."

Why the hell would you want to play Grand Theft Auto with a keyboard?

I'm comfortable with a mouse and keyboard, and many disabled gamers prefer mouse and keyboard because it allows you to rebind. I played all of Vice City with a mouse and keyboard. Having a joystick as an option is nice, but being able to finely aim is more important to me. Even Street Fighter 4 allows you to play with the keyboard, when really you shouldn't use anything less than a fight stick.

Regardless, GTAV will still be an unoptimized piece of shiat, just like GTAIV was, I'm sure.

 
Your thoughts on Ubi hobbling the PC release of Watch Dogs so the 'next gen' versions don't look so crappy?

This really pissed me off. Of course, I don't buy new games (except Bethesda), so it didn't affect me.

I skipped out on Watch Dogs, the "hacking" is so stupid movie garbage that it didn't seem worth it, that and it was described to me as a "modern day assassins creed" and basically I hate assassins creed, so yeah, skipped it entirely. As I'll probably be doing with GTAV - because it's clear to me that what I like in a GTA game (silliness) isn't what Rockstar wants to give me.

But overall, I think it's hilarious how ham-fisted Ubisoft is. All I've heard about watchdergs is that it's awful and doesn't live up to the hype. And honestly, getting excited about a AAA game coming from a huge studio, is probably the worst thing you can do to yourself if you're a PC gamer. Get excited about Indie titles, get excited about The Humble Bundle, get excited for GOG.com - these people know how to treat PC gamers.


While it saddens me that you're passing over quality games, your reasons are your own.  No game is for everybody (except Tetris), but there will always be games for everyone to enjoy.  I'd recommend the Saints Row series.  I wouldn't consider myself a fan, but I do see the appeal and think they're great games.  Also, probably Borderlands.  If you haven't played those, I'd recommend it.  Again, not my cup of tea exactly and the petty comparisons to Fallout irk me, but they're solid games with a lot to offer, especially if you're into the slapstick and zaniness.  Unfortunately there aren't many upcoming titles i know about with that type of flair, things are really shifting towards "serious as farking heart attack cancer" when it comes to video game storylines.  But best of luck to you.

/I'm very much looking forward to getting a new gaming computer so I can sink my teeth into Total War Rome II
//Love me some Total War...
 
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