Englebert Slaptyback: Those of you who have long argued that traffic cameras are a cash grabI'm pretty sure most of that cash-grabby ire was directed specifically at red light cameras, rather than at all cameras.
TetrisBlock: I was told there were no true Scotsmen.
Land Ark: Englebert Slaptyback: Those of you who have long argued that traffic cameras are a cash grabI'm pretty sure most of that cash-grabby ire was directed specifically at red light cameras, rather than at all cameras.Nah, all camera-based law enforcement is a farce. I certainly don't feel safer knowing that someone behind me might not know about the speed camera trap and come barreling into it while everyone else slams on their brakes for the 100' zone before resuming their, obviously, highly unsafe speeds as soon as they get by.If it's really a public danger, fix the problem. Don't just document it.Removing human judgement and not attempting to stop the activity is not law enforcement, but rather a high speed toll road.
Eddie Adams from Torrance: How about spending the money on driver training instead of cameras?I don't know how things are in the UK, but here in the states, the basic requirement for obtaining a license to operate a 2 ton death machine involves demonstrating the ability to parallel park and/or fog a mirror.
Vlad_the_Inaner: So these are radar instrumented speed cameras, or the ones that take note of your tag as you go by, and if another camera notices it again further away than you could get by traveling the speed limit, you get sent a ticket.Because the latter is not only checking your speed, but tracking you too.
Gulper Eel: Long story short, it's not cameras or reducing speeds that reduces crashes, it's getting the speeds evened out. The dead-straight four-lane limited-access road with a revenue-generating 45mph speed limit that has drivers doing anywhere from 40 to 70 will have a lot more crashes than the road with the 65mph speed limit that has drivers clustered in the 60-70 range.
Trainspotr: Also, it's possible for me to enter my local supermarket's parking lot from one street, exit onto another street (perfectly legal, assuming I actually went into the store at some point) and not see a single sign indicating a speed zone.
Mnemia: I like how the authorities generally handle the cameras. They apparently have a human review every ticket before it's issued, and they claim to only issue tickets in about 15% of cases flagged by the cameras. And they don't engage in any of the BS I've heard about some places doing like shortening yellow light cycles or ticketing people for right turn on red after they've come to a full stop first. I've driven through the intersections hundreds or maybe thousands of times since they instituted the cameras, and I've never gotten a ticket despite a few times I was cutting it close. So I'm convinced they are only issuing them to blatant offenders.
Loren: What happens with the right on red cases is that drivers actually quite reasonably do not come to a full stop. Watch the behavior of a line of cars attempting to turn right on red: The first guy stops at the red light, then pulls forward to the position where he can see if it's safe, then goes if it is. The guys behind, however, treat that inspection position as the place to stop--and thus technically blow the red light. To behave legally in this case slows the traffic flow (assuming there's a reasonable chance of actually doing the right on red) for absolutely no safety gain.
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