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2014-06-19 07:36:56 AM
Subby speaks truth. I think the Guardian headline is a little misleading, though. It says, "We may never know how Qatar won the rights to host the 2022 World Cup" but the verb should probably be "prove"

Maybe we'll never prove it, but everybody already understands exactly how it probably went down.
 
2014-06-19 08:28:08 AM
The only open question at this point is whether FIFA actually expects anybody to believe their protestations that the tournament was not bought and sold; or whether they know perfectly well that not a person on the planet (possibly excluding some Qataris) believes them, and they just don't care.
 
2014-06-19 08:31:58 AM
So a process with no built in checks to rid itself of corruption ultimately wedded up being handed by a bunch of corrupt players even though all the players knew the rules were corrupt it was only a matter of how far you wanted to push the envelope in terms of shady side deals that would in tons and tons of cash being shoveled theirs their friends pockets?


I'm surprised.
 
2014-06-19 08:39:33 AM
At least in Qatar they'll have a reason to fall down untouched.
 
2014-06-19 08:48:36 AM
When his final report, due to be delivered to the adjudicatory chamber of Fifa's ethics committee by mid-July and its conclusions published two months later, is made public it is likely to damn all the bidders to a greater or lesser extent.

That must be as useful as the Family Planning committee in the Vatican.
 
2014-06-19 08:49:18 AM

The Muthaship: At least in Qatar they'll have a reason to fall down untouched.


But the World Cup's been moved to "winter" so it won't be that hot
 
2014-06-19 08:54:38 AM

KingKauff: The Muthaship: At least in Qatar they'll have a reason to fall down untouched.

But the World Cup's been moved to "winter" so it won't be that hot


I was under the impression that the World Cup 2022 had not yet been moved to winter.  FIFA is definitely pushing for it, but the European leagues are pushing back as it would disrupt their schedules.  Honestly, I think that many of the European leagues currently maintain a strained relationship at best with FIFA.  It wouldn't surprise me in the least if they ultimately told FIFA to go pound sand.
 
2014-06-19 09:02:24 AM
Even if you get past the issue that soccer is a boring turdbag of a sport whose players regularly embarrass the entire male gender flailing around on the ground in fake agony, how can people look past this?

Half the country was ready to boycott the NBA just because some rich old white guy went rich old white guy, yet when already-poor third world countries further tank their economies and fark over their citizens trying to outbribe each other to get this cash-toilet of a soccer tournament hosted in their country, nobody seems to give any *real* farks.
 
2014-06-19 09:03:53 AM

v2micca: go pound sand.


Huh. Only ever heard my dad say that. Cool.
 
2014-06-19 09:09:34 AM

dookdookdook: [ignoring]...how can people look past this?

...when already-poor third world countries further tank their economies and fark over their citizens trying to outbribe each other to get this cash-toilet of a soccer tournament hosted in their country, nobody seems to give any *real* farks.


You are certainly right about the symptoms here, but I think you're understating the reaction. There were tons of protests in Brazil and if the latest attempts to get the next 3 Olympics bid on are any indicator, most countries (especially the poor ones) are becoming wise to the fact that there is simply no good reason for them to be spending billions on hosting these events. And since $4 billion of the current WC action goes directly into the pockets of FIFA, it's even more egregious. I'd expect a lot of backlash from any poor countries making a serious bid. And if only the countries with infrastructure and finance can support the WC, expect more oil countries to bid and try to get the schedule out of summer.
 
2014-06-19 09:10:45 AM

v2micca: KingKauff: The Muthaship: At least in Qatar they'll have a reason to fall down untouched.

But the World Cup's been moved to "winter" so it won't be that hot

I was under the impression that the World Cup 2022 had not yet been moved to winter.  FIFA is definitely pushing for it, but the European leagues are pushing back as it would disrupt their schedules.  Honestly, I think that many of the European leagues currently maintain a strained relationship at best with FIFA.  It wouldn't surprise me in the least if they ultimately told FIFA to go pound sand.



Sepp can pound all the Qatari sand he wants. Just look  out for those dead workers trying to build the stadiums there in 110+ degree heat
 
2014-06-19 09:13:26 AM
I have this feeling the 2022 world cup will be held in England, Germany or Spain.  Those are the only countries that could host it on very short notice.

What's going to happen is FIFA is going to tell Qatar to prepare for a winter world cup, the European leagues are going to tell FIFA where to stick it, Qatar won't be able to retrofit the structures to cool them for a summer event, Health and Safety will tell teams not to go play there, and FIFA will have about 6 months to find a new venue or cancel the World Cup.
 
2014-06-19 09:20:52 AM

v2micca: KingKauff: The Muthaship: At least in Qatar they'll have a reason to fall down untouched.

But the World Cup's been moved to "winter" so it won't be that hot

I was under the impression that the World Cup 2022 had not yet been moved to winter.  FIFA is definitely pushing for it, but the European leagues are pushing back as it would disrupt their schedules.  Honestly, I think that many of the European leagues currently maintain a strained relationship at best with FIFA.  It wouldn't surprise me in the least if they ultimately told FIFA to go pound sand.


I thought they had already changed it. *shrug*

Tom_Slick: I have this feeling the 2022 world cup will be held in England, Germany or Spain.  Those are the only countries that could host it on very short notice.

What's going to happen is FIFA is going to tell Qatar to prepare for a winter world cup, the European leagues are going to tell FIFA where to stick it, Qatar won't be able to retrofit the structures to cool them for a summer event, Health and Safety will tell teams not to go play there, and FIFA will have about 6 months to find a new venue or cancel the World Cup.


It's not like the US has many available stadiums already built and ready to go. I believe FIFA has already told the US to be ready.
 
2014-06-19 09:23:16 AM

Tom_Slick: I have this feeling the 2022 world cup will be held in England, Germany or Spain.  Those are the only countries that could host it on very short notice.


The US could do it easily.

KingKauff: But the World Cup's been moved to "winter" so it won't be that hot


The European leagues put up a token fight against it. But, they can easily be swayed. The bigger problem will be the half a billion dollars that Fox paid for the rights to the games. And, they sure as f*ck don't want the World Cup to go up against the end of the NFL season between Thanksgiving and the end of the year.
 
2014-06-19 09:32:47 AM

bulldg4life: Tom_Slick: I have this feeling the 2022 world cup will be held in England, Germany or Spain.  Those are the only countries that could host it on very short notice.

The US could do it easily.

KingKauff: But the World Cup's been moved to "winter" so it won't be that hot

The European leagues put up a token fight against it. But, they can easily be swayed. The bigger problem will be the half a billion dollars that Fox paid for the rights to the games. And, they sure as f*ck don't want the World Cup to go up against the end of the NFL season between Thanksgiving and the end of the year.


$o what your $aying i$, it look$ like it will be held in $ummer
 
2014-06-19 09:37:50 AM

KingKauff: bulldg4life: Tom_Slick: I have this feeling the 2022 world cup will be held in England, Germany or Spain.  Those are the only countries that could host it on very short notice.

The US could do it easily.

KingKauff: But the World Cup's been moved to "winter" so it won't be that hot

The European leagues put up a token fight against it. But, they can easily be swayed. The bigger problem will be the half a billion dollars that Fox paid for the rights to the games. And, they sure as f*ck don't want the World Cup to go up against the end of the NFL season between Thanksgiving and the end of the year.

$o what your $aying i$, it look$ like it will be held in $ummer


With the ratings ESPN is getting now, I can only assume it will go up. And all those American sponsons paid for summer time advertising, not going against the NFL and college football or when ever Qatar now says they want to hold their WC
 
2014-06-19 09:46:35 AM

Tom_Slick: I have this feeling the 2022 world cup will be held in England, Germany or Spain.  Those are the only countries that could host it on very short notice.

What's going to happen is FIFA is going to tell Qatar to prepare for a winter world cup, the European leagues are going to tell FIFA where to stick it, Qatar won't be able to retrofit the structures to cool them for a summer event, Health and Safety will tell teams not to go play there, and FIFA will have about 6 months to find a new venue or cancel the World Cup.


If Brazil got nuked off the map, the US could host the rest of the 2014 World Cup immediately.
 
2014-06-19 09:48:32 AM

Tom_Slick: I have this feeling the 2022 world cup will be held in England, Germany or Spain.  Those are the only countries that could host it on very short notice.


You could host it in the United States without leaving the East Coast.
 
2014-06-19 09:56:42 AM

Yanks_RSJ: Tom_Slick: I have this feeling the 2022 world cup will be held in England, Germany or Spain.  Those are the only countries that could host it on very short notice.

You could host it in the United States without leaving the East Coast.


Might be able to host it without leaving the big 10.

Well...not really. I know that stadia have to have covered seating for supporters and some other specifics WRT crowd control that wouldn't be easy to accomodate but yes - the US is the top nation that could turn on the World Cup the quickest without needing to build any new facilities.
 
2014-06-19 10:00:42 AM

bulldg4life: Tom_Slick: I have this feeling the 2022 world cup will be held in England, Germany or Spain.  Those are the only countries that could host it on very short notice.

The US could do it easily.

KingKauff: But the World Cup's been moved to "winter" so it won't be that hot

The European leagues put up a token fight against it. But, they can easily be swayed. The bigger problem will be the half a billion dollars that Fox paid for the rights to the games. And, they sure as f*ck don't want the World Cup to go up against the end of the NFL season between Thanksgiving and the end of the year.


What is the time difference between Qatar and New York, 8 or 9 hours?  Even if the World Cup was moved to the winter, the games would not be directly competing with many NFL or college games.  Chances are kickoffs would be something like 8 am, 11 am, and 2 pm Eastern time since they would maximize the exposure in Europe first.  Basically the only direct competition with football would be the early Big 10 and SEC kickoffs and the early NFL kickoffs, and that is only two days a week.  Maybe there wouldn't be as much attention given to the event as a whole, but as for the games themselves there would be little conflict
 
2014-06-19 10:00:42 AM

Yanks_RSJ: Tom_Slick: I have this feeling the 2022 world cup will be held in England, Germany or Spain.  Those are the only countries that could host it on very short notice.

You could host it in the United States without leaving the East Coast.


One of the smart things the US did last time around was to base teams in cities where they had a historic/ethnic affinity, e.g. Republic of Ireland in Boston, and encouraging the locals to root for "their" teams.

Of course, on that basis you could probably accommodate an entire World Cup just using various neighborhoods of New York...
 
2014-06-19 10:23:20 AM

Ayatollah of Rock-n-Rolla: bulldg4life: Tom_Slick: I have this feeling the 2022 world cup will be held in England, Germany or Spain.  Those are the only countries that could host it on very short notice.

The US could do it easily.

KingKauff: But the World Cup's been moved to "winter" so it won't be that hot

The European leagues put up a token fight against it. But, they can easily be swayed. The bigger problem will be the half a billion dollars that Fox paid for the rights to the games. And, they sure as f*ck don't want the World Cup to go up against the end of the NFL season between Thanksgiving and the end of the year.

What is the time difference between Qatar and New York, 8 or 9 hours?  Even if the World Cup was moved to the winter, the games would not be directly competing with many NFL or college games.  Chances are kickoffs would be something like 8 am, 11 am, and 2 pm Eastern time since they would maximize the exposure in Europe first.  Basically the only direct competition with football would be the early Big 10 and SEC kickoffs and the early NFL kickoffs, and that is only two days a week.  Maybe there wouldn't be as much attention given to the event as a whole, but as for the games themselves there would be little conflict


Per the Google....NYC is 7 hours behind Qatar
 
2014-06-19 10:34:02 AM
My wife grew up in Qatar in the mid 90s and is furious that Doha has been tearing down historical buildings for the past couple years in the name of modernization. I guess they want to match the rest of the region with ultra modern architecture. I'm sure the World Cup will only escalate that process
 
2014-06-19 10:40:27 AM

eagles95: Per the Google....NYC is 7 hours behind Qatar


It would be 8 hours in the winter.

Ayatollah of Rock-n-Rolla: Even if the World Cup was moved to the winter, the games would not be directly competing with many NFL or college games.  Chances are kickoffs would be something like 8 am, 11 am, and 2 pm Eastern time since they would maximize the exposure in Europe first.  Basically the only direct competition with football would be the early Big 10 and SEC kickoffs and the early NFL kickoffs, and that is only two days a week.  Maybe there wouldn't be as much attention given to the event as a whole, but as for the games themselves there would be little conflict


With the notable exception of the World Cup Final, played on a Sunday afternoon presumably in December against a number of critical NFL games.  It will be buried.

If the winter World Cup does come to pass, they'd be wise to play it into January so the Final could be scheduled before Sunday NFL playoff games.  If the final was played at Noon, even if it took penalties to decide the match it would be over 3pm.
 
2014-06-19 11:43:25 AM

czetie: One of the smart things the US did last time around was to base teams in cities where they had a historic/ethnic affinity, e.g. Republic of Ireland in Boston, and encouraging the locals to root for "their" teams.


Wow, I didn't realize that was intentional. Good call on their part. My brother was at the epic (not using that term lightly) Ireland/Italy match in New York. I remember the Times referring to the match as "Gaelic vs. Garlic." Heh.
 
2014-06-19 12:39:08 PM

dookdookdook: Even if you get past the issue that soccer is a boring turdbag of a sport whose players regularly embarrass the entire male gender flailing around on the ground in fake agony, how can people look past this?

Half the country was ready to boycott the NBA just because some rich old white guy went rich old white guy, yet when already-poor third world countries further tank their economies and fark over their citizens trying to outbribe each other to get this cash-toilet of a soccer tournament hosted in their country, nobody seems to give any *real* farks.


It's not just a job, it's an indenture.
 
2014-06-19 12:56:55 PM

Ayatollah of Rock-n-Rolla: Maybe there wouldn't be as much attention given to the event as a whole, but as for the games themselves there would be little conflict


The semi-final and finals are played on Sundays, I believe. And, you would want them after noon on Sundays because you aren't going to put them before 9am for the west coast. If it is a 8:30 or 9 start in Qatar, that puts you at 12-1 on a Sunday in December or January.

That is not when Fox wants to show soccer games.

Now, that is JUST the games. Yes, logistically showing the games during certain times is bad enough (especially when it goes up against massively popular NFL games). But, the other part of that is that the end of November through middle of January are absolutely dominated by NFL football with the added hit college football, NBA, and NHL. Even if the games are played outside of the 12-11pm time slot of sundays in December, NFL still dominates every other avenue of sports coverage during the week.

The World Cup is going up against nothingness middle of the season baseball right now.
 
2014-06-19 02:20:58 PM

PowerSlacker: Tom_Slick: I have this feeling the 2022 world cup will be held in England, Germany or Spain.  Those are the only countries that could host it on very short notice.

What's going to happen is FIFA is going to tell Qatar to prepare for a winter world cup, the European leagues are going to tell FIFA where to stick it, Qatar won't be able to retrofit the structures to cool them for a summer event, Health and Safety will tell teams not to go play there, and FIFA will have about 6 months to find a new venue or cancel the World Cup.

If Brazil got nuked off the map, the US could host the rest of the 2014 World Cup immediately.


To be fair, if Brazil got nuked off the map, there wouldn't really be a rest of the 2014 World Cup to host because everybody on all of the teams would have been vaporized by the blast.

/plus the rest of the planet would quickly fall into nuclear winter
 
2014-06-19 02:23:11 PM

Serious Black: PowerSlacker: Tom_Slick: I have this feeling the 2022 world cup will be held in England, Germany or Spain.  Those are the only countries that could host it on very short notice.

What's going to happen is FIFA is going to tell Qatar to prepare for a winter world cup, the European leagues are going to tell FIFA where to stick it, Qatar won't be able to retrofit the structures to cool them for a summer event, Health and Safety will tell teams not to go play there, and FIFA will have about 6 months to find a new venue or cancel the World Cup.

If Brazil got nuked off the map, the US could host the rest of the 2014 World Cup immediately.

To be fair, if Brazil got nuked off the map, there wouldn't really be a rest of the 2014 World Cup to host because everybody on all of the teams would have been vaporized by the blast.

/plus the rest of the planet would quickly fall into nuclear winter


I'm guessing you need jokes explained to you a lot
 
2014-06-19 03:13:22 PM

Jakesta: Serious Black: PowerSlacker: Tom_Slick: I have this feeling the 2022 world cup will be held in England, Germany or Spain.  Those are the only countries that could host it on very short notice.

What's going to happen is FIFA is going to tell Qatar to prepare for a winter world cup, the European leagues are going to tell FIFA where to stick it, Qatar won't be able to retrofit the structures to cool them for a summer event, Health and Safety will tell teams not to go play there, and FIFA will have about 6 months to find a new venue or cancel the World Cup.

If Brazil got nuked off the map, the US could host the rest of the 2014 World Cup immediately.

To be fair, if Brazil got nuked off the map, there wouldn't really be a rest of the 2014 World Cup to host because everybody on all of the teams would have been vaporized by the blast.

/plus the rest of the planet would quickly fall into nuclear winter

I'm guessing you need jokes explained to you a lot


That's what happens when you completely lack a sense of humor and find absolutely nothing funny.
 
2014-06-19 04:00:49 PM

Tom_Slick: I have this feeling the 2022 world cup will be held in England, Germany or Spain.  Those are the only countries that could host it on very short notice.

What's going to happen is FIFA is going to tell Qatar to prepare for a winter world cup, the European leagues are going to tell FIFA where to stick it, Qatar won't be able to retrofit the structures to cool them for a summer event, Health and Safety will tell teams not to go play there, and FIFA will have about 6 months to find a new venue or cancel the World Cup.


The major European countries could simply take a dive and eliminate themselves in the pre-tournament games.  I'm sure that FIFA would take notice if they had to sell the television rights to see San Marino play against Liechtenstein in the main tournament.  They would probably make sure that Israel makes it to the tournament, and complain that the host country would refuse to fly the Israeli flag anywhere along with the other participants.
 
2014-06-19 04:14:06 PM

Serious Black: Jakesta: Serious Black: PowerSlacker: Tom_Slick: I have this feeling the 2022 world cup will be held in England, Germany or Spain.  Those are the only countries that could host it on very short notice.

What's going to happen is FIFA is going to tell Qatar to prepare for a winter world cup, the European leagues are going to tell FIFA where to stick it, Qatar won't be able to retrofit the structures to cool them for a summer event, Health and Safety will tell teams not to go play there, and FIFA will have about 6 months to find a new venue or cancel the World Cup.

If Brazil got nuked off the map, the US could host the rest of the 2014 World Cup immediately.

To be fair, if Brazil got nuked off the map, there wouldn't really be a rest of the 2014 World Cup to host because everybody on all of the teams would have been vaporized by the blast.

/plus the rest of the planet would quickly fall into nuclear winter

I'm guessing you need jokes explained to you a lot

That's what happens when you completely lack a sense of humor and find absolutely nothing funny.


What a sad, lonely world you must live in. I truly feel bad for you.
 
2014-06-19 08:18:24 PM

Jakesta: Serious Black: 

What a sad, lonely world you must live in. I truly feel bad for you.


To be clear, Serious Black made a funny comment. You're the wet blanket here.
 
2014-06-19 09:01:30 PM

This Looks Fun: Jakesta: Serious Black: 

What a sad, lonely world you must live in. I truly feel bad for you.

To be clear, Serious Black made a funny comment. You're the wet blanket here.


Huh? Am I in some sort of bizzaro world today?
 
2014-06-19 10:18:55 PM

Serious Black: PowerSlacker: Tom_Slick: I have this feeling the 2022 world cup will be held in England, Germany or Spain.  Those are the only countries that could host it on very short notice.

What's going to happen is FIFA is going to tell Qatar to prepare for a winter world cup, the European leagues are going to tell FIFA where to stick it, Qatar won't be able to retrofit the structures to cool them for a summer event, Health and Safety will tell teams not to go play there, and FIFA will have about 6 months to find a new venue or cancel the World Cup.

If Brazil got nuked off the map, the US could host the rest of the 2014 World Cup immediately.

To be fair, if Brazil got nuked off the map, there wouldn't really be a rest of the 2014 World Cup to host because everybody on all of the teams would have been vaporized by the blast.

/plus the rest of the planet would quickly fall into nuclear winter


Not true. Landon Donovan would win the post-nuclear world cup for Team USA.
 
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