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(The Age (Melbourne))   Conspiracy theories 'more pervasive than ever' in modern society in latest evidence that people feel the need to find patterns in random events and that conspiracy theorists will believe anything but facts   (theage.com.au) divider line 92
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2014-06-18 10:14:54 AM  
I don't think too many people are going to pick up on your code, subby, but I see it.
 
2014-06-18 11:14:23 AM  
Conspiracy theories are not "more pervasive than ever". That is just what "they" want you to believe.
 
2014-06-18 11:28:26 AM  
Subby no doubt works for the Illuminati.
 
2014-06-18 11:29:46 AM  
Clearly the corporations that write and determine government policy have our best interests at heart. Move along citizen.
 
2014-06-18 11:33:21 AM  

TerminalEchoes: Subby no doubt works for the Illuminati.


I'm using the Gnomes of Zurich, through the Goldfish Fanciers, to make an attack to control the Immoral Majority.
 
2014-06-18 11:35:19 AM  
It's just "more pervasive" because of the internet. It lets isolated nutters find like minds. Back in The Day you had to like, go to conventions to find eachother, now they can do so from their bunkers. It also gives them access to huge amounts of information.
 
2014-06-18 11:35:28 AM  
They aren't more prevalent. They're just more noticeable, thanks to the internet.
 
2014-06-18 11:35:30 AM  
Conspiracy theorists are just people who feel powerless in their day-to-day lives. Look at MRAs.
 
2014-06-18 11:36:51 AM  
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2014-06-18 11:36:55 AM  

Lackofname: It's just "more pervasive" because of the internet. It lets isolated nutters find like minds. Back in The Day you had to like, go to conventions to find eachother, now they can do so from their bunkers. It also gives them access to huge amounts of information.


Pretty much, this. Look at Tumblr Social Justice Warriors as another example.
 
2014-06-18 11:37:25 AM  
Facts are just what The Man want you to believe.
 
2014-06-18 11:37:46 AM  
Just like it was a conspiracy theory that the NSA was watching essentially all of your communication?  Just like it was a conspiracy that large banks were manipulating prices?

The club (the one we're not a part of) is working together to make sure we don't know about the club, don't get any of the benefits of the club, and never threaten the existence of the club, and they will use legal and illegal (for now) methods to do so.
 
2014-06-18 11:37:49 AM  
People like Alex Jones, who perpetrate these theories and feed the paranoid delusions of conspiracy theorist don't help. You know the person that your having a discussion with isn't playing with a full deck when they cite something from Infowars as fact.
 
2014-06-18 11:38:03 AM  

Lackofname: It's just "more pervasive" because of the internet. It lets isolated nutters find like minds. Back in The Day you had to like, go to conventions to find eachother, now they can do so from their bunkers. It also gives them access to huge amounts of misinformation.



FTFY
 
2014-06-18 11:38:46 AM  
Or the tools with which they can reach an audience have grown massively over the last couple of decades for some mysterious reason.
 
2014-06-18 11:39:10 AM  
I've known seemingly sane, rational people in every respect, buy into things like the first moon landing was fake, but the subsequent ones were real.

Really changes your perception of someone.
 
2014-06-18 11:42:32 AM  
Walking home from the train yesterday and I see my around-the-corner neighbor standing in his driveway holding his iPhone and looking concerned. Vlad is Romanian. "I think the government is not telling us something," he says to me. "What do you mean?" I ask. "Look at the sun. It is much further north than it should be." He was using his iPhone as a compass. I said "It's almost the summer solstice so the sun is about as far north as it gets every year." "No, it is too far north. The government is not telling us something." I said "I suppose the earth could have been thrown out of orbit and we are now careening into the wastes of interstellar space, but I think we all would have noticed something like that. For starters, If the planet had changed orbit we all would have been thrown off the face of the earth at about a thousand miles an hour." "No," he said stubbornly. "Something is wrong. The government is hiding something from us."

It's not like he's old or anything--I'd guess mid-forties, with a nine year old kid--and I never would have tagged him for the chemtrails type, but apparently the government has MOVED THE SUN and is not telling us about it.
 
2014-06-18 11:43:08 AM  
There's probably the same number now as before, but the internet means stupid people can be louder about their stupidity.
 
2014-06-18 11:43:30 AM  
The IRS "losing" al those emails is just a random event, I'm sure...

/just like the 18 1/2 minute gap.....
 
2014-06-18 11:45:02 AM  
Man.  Only 19 posts and some of you farkheads already need your magic vinegar bottles.
 
2014-06-18 11:45:12 AM  

serfdood: Lackofname: It's just "more pervasive" because of the internet. It lets isolated nutters find like minds. Back in The Day you had to like, go to conventions to find eachother, now they can do so from their bunkers. It also gives them access to huge amounts of misinformation.


FTFY


Well yes, some of it is misinformation. Some of it is normal information that is read too much into. For instance, being able to find all the 9/11 footage online so you can comb through it to find suggestive images that make the impacts look like missiles. That would have been much harder before everything was online.
 
2014-06-18 11:46:05 AM  

MattStafford: The club (the one we're not a part of) is working together to make sure we don't know about the club, don't get any of the benefits of the club, and never threaten the existence of the club, and they will use legal and illegal (for now) methods to do so.


But I have a monopoly on coconuts on my island, so I'm ok.
 
2014-06-18 11:47:36 AM  
I miss you, Mulder.
 
2014-06-18 11:48:10 AM  
no doubt there's some crazy conspiracy theories out there that get more traction than you'd ever think possible but there's also a lot of collusion by big business and the super wealthy and the government that makes people not trust anything they are doing.
 
2014-06-18 11:50:27 AM  
The one thing that has become more prevalent is the misuse of the word conspiracy.  Apparently, the writer is a little unclear on the definition since the WTC attack of 9/11/2001 was included in the list.  Four hijacks planes were not the work of a sole individual.  Some farker please send this idiot a dicitonary.
 
2014-06-18 11:51:57 AM  

MattStafford: Just like it was a conspiracy theory that the NSA was watching essentially all of your communication?  Just like it was a conspiracy that large banks were manipulating prices?


Headso: no doubt there's some crazy conspiracy theories out there that get more traction than you'd ever think possible but there's also a lot of collusion by big business and the super wealthy and the government that makes people not trust anything they are doing.


You guys get that there's a difference between "People with power will generally use that power to benefit themselves" and "Fluoridation in water is a communist plot!" or "The moon landings were faked by the reptilians!" or whatever, right?
 
2014-06-18 11:52:24 AM  

clambam: Walking home from the train yesterday and I see my around-the-corner neighbor standing in his driveway holding his iPhone and looking concerned. Vlad is Romanian. "I think the government is not telling us something," he says to me. "What do you mean?" I ask. "Look at the sun. It is much further north than it should be." He was using his iPhone as a compass. I said "It's almost the summer solstice so the sun is about as far north as it gets every year." "No, it is too far north. The government is not telling us something." I said "I suppose the earth could have been thrown out of orbit and we are now careening into the wastes of interstellar space, but I think we all would have noticed something like that. For starters, If the planet had changed orbit we all would have been thrown off the face of the earth at about a thousand miles an hour." "No," he said stubbornly. "Something is wrong. The government is hiding something from us."

It's not like he's old or anything--I'd guess mid-forties, with a nine year old kid--and I never would have tagged him for the chemtrails type, but apparently the government has MOVED THE SUN and is not telling us about it.


A perfectly good trolling opportunity WASTED

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2014-06-18 11:52:28 AM  

Lackofname: It's just "more pervasive" because of the internet. It lets isolated nutters find like minds. Back in The Day you had to like, go to conventions to find eachother, now they can do so from their bunkers. It also gives them access to huge amounts of information.


Church basements when I was growing up. The wing-nuts have a bullhorn now.
 
2014-06-18 11:53:57 AM  
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Well it's a well known fact sonny-jim that there's a secret society of the 5 wealthiest people in the world, known as The Pentaverate. Who run everything in the world including the newspapers, & meet tri-annually in a secrect country mansion in Colorado known as The Meadows. (So who's in this Pentaverate?)The Queen, the Getty's, the Rothschilds, the Vatican & Colonel Sanders before he went tits up. Ooh I hated the Colonel, with his wee beady eyes and that smug look on his face! Ohh you're gonna buy my chicken! Oohhh! (Dad, how can you hate the Colonel?) Because he puts an addictive chemical in his chicken that makes you crave it fortnightly, smart ass!
 
2014-06-18 11:55:42 AM  
Can we all agree that the people who think Sandy Hook was a "false flag" need to be called "Hookers"? I've been trying to make that one stick. Who benefited except gun and ammunition companies?

/apologies to actual prostitutes.
 
2014-06-18 11:56:32 AM  
The problem isn't that there a more conspiracy theories. The problem if you can call it that, is that more people are caught red handed. From NSA spying to a jerkoff like Oliver North. It's not really crazy or paranoia if it turns out it was actually true.
 
2014-06-18 11:57:58 AM  

mark12A: The IRS "losing" al those emails is just a random event, I'm sure...


When it comes to a choice between stupid and incompetent versus sinister genius, I'll usually bet on the former.

There are a handful of ways that poor data retention policies and email management policies (read: allowing local PST files) could have contributed to it.  That falls under incompetent.

On the other hand, it could be part of a broader agenda by Republicans in their quest to "starve the beast" in which they purposely cut IT funding for the IRS in order to ensure that they only hire incompetent staff, resulting in these sorts of scandals.  In turn, the IRS is discredited, which gives ammunition to Republicans to shrink the department further.  That falls under sinister genius.

But then every time I see the words Republican and genius together, I just remember that even a broken clock is right twice a day and swing back to it being because of incompetence.
 
2014-06-18 11:59:05 AM  

schubie: Can we all agree that the people who think Sandy Hook was a "false flag" need to be called "Hookers"? I've been trying to make that one stick. Who benefited except gun and ammunition companies?

/apologies to actual prostitutes.


Sandy hook deniers might just be the craziest loons of the bunch. I think the term "Hookers" fits well.
 
2014-06-18 12:00:23 PM  

Gunther: MattStafford: Just like it was a conspiracy theory that the NSA was watching essentially all of your communication?  Just like it was a conspiracy that large banks were manipulating prices?

Headso: no doubt there's some crazy conspiracy theories out there that get more traction than you'd ever think possible but there's also a lot of collusion by big business and the super wealthy and the government that makes people not trust anything they are doing.

You guys get that there's a difference between "People with power will generally use that power to benefit themselves" and "Fluoridation in water is a communist plot!" or "The moon landings were faked by the reptilians!" or whatever, right?


con·spir·a·cy
1.  the act of conspiring.
2. an evil, unlawful, treacherous, or surreptitious plan formulated in secret by two or more persons; plot.
3. a combination of persons for a secret, unlawful, or evil purpose: He joined the conspiracy to overthrow the government.
4. Law. an agreement by two or more persons to commit a crime, fraud, or other wrongful act.
5. any concurrence in action; combination in bringing about a given result.

You do get that the previous posters mention real conspiracies, right?
 
2014-06-18 12:00:48 PM  

Gunther: You guys get that there's a difference between "People with power will generally use that power to benefit themselves" and "Fluoridation in water is a communist plot!" or "The moon landings were faked by the reptilians!" or whatever, right?


Sure, but you also realize the people claiming the former are lumped into the same category as the latter, correct?
 
2014-06-18 12:04:12 PM  

Gunther: Headso: no doubt there's some crazy conspiracy theories out there that get more traction than you'd ever think possible but there's also a lot of collusion by big business and the super wealthy and the government that makes people not trust anything they are doing.


You guys get that there's a difference between "People with power will generally use that power to benefit themselves" and "Fluoridation in water is a communist plot!" or "The moon landings were faked by the reptilians!" or whatever, right?


you got some reading comprehension problems, breh.
 
2014-06-18 12:04:57 PM  

teenage mutant ninja rapist: schubie: Can we all agree that the people who think Sandy Hook was a "false flag" need to be called "Hookers"? I've been trying to make that one stick. Who benefited except gun and ammunition companies?

/apologies to actual prostitutes.

Sandy hook deniers might just be the craziest loons of the bunch. I think the term "Hookers" fits well.


We should get the deniers and the false flaggers together and let them have at each other.  Perhaps they could cancel each other out.

Oh, and invite the Chemtrailers as well.
 
2014-06-18 12:05:23 PM  
People will believe any conspiracy theory you throw at them... unless the victims of said conspiracy are black.

"The only conspiracy theory with which more than half of the respondents disagreed was that a U.S. spy agency infected a large number of African Americans with HIV."
 
2014-06-18 12:06:37 PM  

TwilightZone: The one thing that has become more prevalent is the misuse of the word conspiracy.  Apparently, the writer is a little unclear on the definition since the WTC attack of 9/11/2001 was included in the list.  Four hijacks planes were not the work of a sole individual.  Some farker please send this idiot a dicitonary.


The idea is that it was an "inside job", made by the government in order to gain the power that Bush had post-9/11. That IS a conspiracy.
 
2014-06-18 12:12:57 PM  
Has anyone pointed out that labeling people as conspiracy nutters is a fairly recently confirmed CIA conspiracy policy?
 
2014-06-18 12:13:59 PM  
Note to self: invest in tin-foil futures.
 
2014-06-18 12:15:58 PM  

clambam: Walking home from the train yesterday and I see my around-the-corner neighbor standing in his driveway holding his iPhone and looking concerned. Vlad is Romanian. "I think the government is not telling us something," he says to me. "What do you mean?" I ask. "Look at the sun. It is much further north than it should be." He was using his iPhone as a compass. I said "It's almost the summer solstice so the sun is about as far north as it gets every year." "No, it is too far north. The government is not telling us something." I said "I suppose the earth could have been thrown out of orbit and we are now careening into the wastes of interstellar space, but I think we all would have noticed something like that. For starters, If the planet had changed orbit we all would have been thrown off the face of the earth at about a thousand miles an hour." "No," he said stubbornly. "Something is wrong. The government is hiding something from us."

It's not like he's old or anything--I'd guess mid-forties, with a nine year old kid--and I never would have tagged him for the chemtrails type, but apparently the government has MOVED THE SUN and is not telling us about it.


They don't want us to know that they've made first contact with the Equestrians.

obeygiant.com
 
2014-06-18 12:18:14 PM  
It is my firm belief that the rise of people who'd admit to believing conspiracy theories has to do with the fundamental breakdown in trust of the larger systems that 'govern' us.

We want to believe that there is some kind of evil cabal that is ruining us, when really it's us ruining ourselves and a few people taking advantage of the aftermath.

So when people make the general "Evil vs. Stupid" argument, I tend to come down on the side of stupid: like the recent flare up of the IRS 'scandal'.
 
2014-06-18 12:20:33 PM  

BlueDWarrior: It is my firm belief that the rise of people who'd admit to believing conspiracy theories has to do with the fundamental breakdown in trust of the larger systems that 'govern' us.

We want to believe that there is some kind of evil cabal that is ruining us, when really it's us ruining ourselves and a few people taking advantage of the aftermath.

So when people make the general "Evil vs. Stupid" argument, I tend to come down on the side of stupid: like the recent flare up of the IRS 'scandal'.


Also the rise of the idea that all viewpoints are equal and valid and deserve equal time. Even if someone is utterly wrong, you have to respect their viewpoint.
 
2014-06-18 12:21:59 PM  

MattStafford: Sure, but you also realize the people claiming the former are lumped into the same category as the latter, correct?


Everyone farking knows about the former. NOT believing that would make you more abnormal than believing it. You won't be dismissed as a conspiracy theorist for acknowledging that the wealthy and the powerful don't play by the same rules as the rest of us peasants.
 
2014-06-18 12:24:31 PM  

Vlad_the_Inaner: clambam: Walking home from the train yesterday and I see my around-the-corner neighbor standing in his driveway holding his iPhone and looking concerned. Vlad is Romanian. "I think the government is not telling us something," he says to me. "What do you mean?" I ask. "Look at the sun. It is much further north than it should be." He was using his iPhone as a compass. I said "It's almost the summer solstice so the sun is about as far north as it gets every year." "No, it is too far north. The government is not telling us something." I said "I suppose the earth could have been thrown out of orbit and we are now careening into the wastes of interstellar space, but I think we all would have noticed something like that. For starters, If the planet had changed orbit we all would have been thrown off the face of the earth at about a thousand miles an hour." "No," he said stubbornly. "Something is wrong. The government is hiding something from us."

It's not like he's old or anything--I'd guess mid-forties, with a nine year old kid--and I never would have tagged him for the chemtrails type, but apparently the government has MOVED THE SUN and is not telling us about it.

A perfectly good trolling opportunity WASTED

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Google "sun too far north." There are dozens of web sites about this.
 
2014-06-18 12:29:23 PM  

Lackofname: BlueDWarrior: It is my firm belief that the rise of people who'd admit to believing conspiracy theories has to do with the fundamental breakdown in trust of the larger systems that 'govern' us.

We want to believe that there is some kind of evil cabal that is ruining us, when really it's us ruining ourselves and a few people taking advantage of the aftermath.

So when people make the general "Evil vs. Stupid" argument, I tend to come down on the side of stupid: like the recent flare up of the IRS 'scandal'.

Also the rise of the idea that all viewpoints are equal and valid and deserve equal time. Even if someone is utterly wrong, you have to respect their viewpoint.



Not really.  http://theconversation.edu.au/no-youre-not-entitled-to-your-opinion-9 9 78
 
2014-06-18 12:29:45 PM  
I have several close friends/relatives that believe in conspiracy theories. They are all libertarian/conservative. The beliefs run from stigmata to chemtrails. I think I could convince all of them of some BS or other as long as it contained some element that was negative, inflated their ego, or created villain.
Negative:  the world is ending, terrorist plot, economic collapse.
Ego inflating: It wasn't my fault I made bad investments based on my failed prediction of economic collapse, it was the illuminati manipulating the markets. I have special knowledge and if you were as smart as me you would know this too.
Villain: Federal reserve, Obama, New World Order... This seems to create a sense that there is a reason for what is ultimately random noise. It's some bad guy that is doing it.
 
2014-06-18 12:31:53 PM  
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/look anywhere long enough, you're gonna find a conspiracy
 
2014-06-18 12:33:54 PM  

festus963: I have several close friends/relatives that believe in conspiracy theories. They are all libertarian/conservative. The beliefs run from stigmata to chemtrails. I think I could convince all of them of some BS or other as long as it contained some element that was negative, inflated their ego, or created villain.
Negative:  the world is ending, terrorist plot, economic collapse.
Ego inflating: It wasn't my fault I made bad investments based on my failed prediction of economic collapse, it was the illuminati manipulating the markets. I have special knowledge and if you were as smart as me you would know this too.
Villain: Federal reserve, Obama, New World Order... This seems to create a sense that there is a reason for what is ultimately random noise. It's some bad guy that is doing it.


They're always at the conservative/crazy end of the spectrum. And you can only convince them they're wrong by replacing their nonsense with other, equally untrue fantasy nonsense. They just can't live in reality; that's the real problem I suspect.
 
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