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(Phys Org2)   "Doping is just as much part of international football as it is in any other sport, and some suggest even more so. Given the evidence it seems naive to think that doping is anything other than systematic in football"   (phys.org) divider line 32
    More: Obvious, doping scandals, Michelle Wie, 2010 World Cup, professional athletes, World Anti-Doping Agency  
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2014-06-18 11:17:53 AM
You know, after reading that article, I'm tempted to agree with FIFA.

The WADA is absolutely obsessed with athlete whereabouts. They will make a ton of insinuations until various leagues comply with their demands. They even did it with the PGA Tour, because they want to be able to test athletes like John Daly and Kevin Sadler for PEDs at an hour's notice.

FIFA may be corrupt, but the WADA isn't any better.
 
2014-06-18 11:18:32 AM
Stadler, not Sadler.
 
2014-06-18 12:26:39 PM
Doping is such an ugly word. Can't we just call it 'science'?
 
2014-06-18 12:27:57 PM
Doping in sports? Am I supposed to be surprised?
 
2014-06-18 12:35:49 PM
I just assume that every athlete in the world is doping and let it go at that.
 
2014-06-18 12:36:42 PM
I'm opposed to performance enhancing drugs simply because it helps teams beat the spread.
 
2014-06-18 12:57:26 PM

Gonz: Stadler, not Sadler.


I was going to ask if the PGA was bump-drafting now...
 
2014-06-18 01:22:46 PM
Wow. Imagine how much more boring soccer would be if they didn't dope. As if that were possible.
 
2014-06-18 01:25:59 PM

Bareefer Obonghit: Doping is such an ugly word. Can't we just call it 'science'?


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2014-06-18 01:37:59 PM
I thought football was only played in America.
 
2014-06-18 01:41:05 PM
OK, rampant corruption in big-stage sports is nothing new, but what "doping" would help soccer players?  The limiting factor is endurance; professional soccer players run 10-12km per match in particularly grueling stop-and-sprint fashion, the play almost never stops and there are only three substitutions allowed all game.  It's not like baseball or football where you spend half the time on your ass so adding 50 extra pounds of muscle is an advantage.  It's not like basketball or hockey where you have rapid substitutions and even starters often play only 30-35 minutes.  Soccer players are, first and foremost, interval runners and just how often do endurance runners dope up?  Steroids add strength but increase bulk.  Stimulants improve focus but also dehydrate you.  Anything else and the athletes either tire quickly or spend halftime on IVs instead of making adjustments.  I suppose you can use HGH to recover from injury faster and that's probably banned but as far as scandals go that's like taking antibiotics FFS.
 
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2014-06-18 01:41:10 PM
Interesting how mortified people still act when discovering that athletes will do whatever they can to gain an advantage.
 
2014-06-18 01:49:57 PM

dragonchild: but what "doping" would help soccer players?


Blood doping.  Any of the compounds cyclists use to improve their performance (many of which artificially increase oxygen saturation in the blood etc).

It isn't necessarily about being HUGE and unbelievably strong, there are steroids and doping techniques that assist you in exerting yourself to the fullest for as long as possible.
 
2014-06-18 01:53:53 PM

dragonchild: OK, rampant corruption in big-stage sports is nothing new, but what "doping" would help soccer players?


The same kind that helps cyclists, swimmers, distance runners and cross-country skiiers
 
2014-06-18 01:57:44 PM

Super_pope: It isn't necessarily about being HUGE and unbelievably strong, there are steroids and doping techniques that assist you in exerting yourself to the fullest for as long as possible.

As someone who relies on caffeine to make it through a shift, I'd feel like a hypocrite for decrying this sort of thing.  At least with steroids the idea is to physically alter the structure of your body.
 
2014-06-18 02:01:20 PM
I sure hope they're doping.  Or at least taking EPO.  Because if they're not, they're not trying hard enough.
 
2014-06-18 02:02:57 PM

Gonz: The WADA is absolutely obsessed


WADA is so bad that it gives drug testing a bad name.
 
2014-06-18 02:04:41 PM

dragonchild: what "doping" would help soccer players?


The best method is to extract a pint of your own blood ahead of time, and then top off with that pint just before game time.

Epoetin Alpha (EPO) also works great.
 
2014-06-18 02:05:43 PM

dragonchild: At least with steroids the idea is to physically alter the structure of your body.


In a lot of cases what you're doing is putting yourself at extreme risk of blood and bone cancer to jack up the number of red blood cells in your blood FAR past the realm of what's physically reasonable.

You're basically warping your body so that it can't get tired because the muscle tissue never runs out of oxygen.
 
2014-06-18 02:31:33 PM

dragonchild: OK, rampant corruption in big-stage sports is nothing new, but what "doping" would help soccer players?  The limiting factor is endurance; professional soccer players run 10-12km per match in particularly grueling stop-and-sprint fashion, the play almost never stops and there are only three substitutions allowed all game.  It's not like baseball or football where you spend half the time on your ass so adding 50 extra pounds of muscle is an advantage.  It's not like basketball or hockey where you have rapid substitutions and even starters often play only 30-35 minutes.  Soccer players are, first and foremost, interval runners and just how often do endurance runners dope up?  Steroids add strength but increase bulk.  Stimulants improve focus but also dehydrate you.  Anything else and the athletes either tire quickly or spend halftime on IVs instead of making adjustments.  I suppose you can use HGH to recover from injury faster and that's probably banned but as far as scandals go that's like taking antibiotics FFS.


HGH, EPO, testosterone are all very helpful for endurance.

Contrary to popular belief, you don't always balloon up on steroids. It has to do with your workouts and your calorie intake, as well as the steroid.  Lance was taking HGH + EPO
 
2014-06-18 02:34:08 PM

Super_pope: dragonchild: At least with steroids the idea is to physically alter the structure of your body.

In a lot of cases what you're doing is putting yourself at extreme risk of blood and bone cancer to jack up the number of red blood cells in your blood FAR past the realm of what's physically reasonable.

You're basically warping your body so that it can't get tired because the muscle tissue never runs out of oxygen.


That's a pretty succinct description, thank you!
It also sounds pretty cool. Where can I get me some of that?
 
2014-06-18 02:50:06 PM

michaelgvh: It also sounds pretty cool. Where can I get me some of that?


lol I was actually thinking that too.  I think you need to temper it with like... blood thinners though, because you're at a really elevated risk to stroke out or develop thrombosis.

What's really crazy is to think about Armstrong's resting heart rate of like 27 when he was LOADED.

The stuff changed his body so much that he looked and acted perfectly fine at a heart rate we'd normally ascribe to, "That dying guy."

Give that uh... you kind of have to wonder if it was the culprit that made his nut rot off though... it may not be THAT cool.
 
2014-06-18 02:56:36 PM
I think they mean "systemic" rather than "systematic". Although it may be systematic as well.
 
2014-06-18 03:00:00 PM
Doping shouldn't just be allowed, it should be mandatory, along with detailed records of which athletes are taking what and what side effects they've experienced.  The goal is to find the safest and most effective way to compete at the highest level.  If you've got a drug that makes me stronger and faster and is 100% safe, I wouldn't hesitate to take it.
 
2014-06-18 03:02:07 PM

machoprogrammer: dragonchild: OK, rampant corruption in big-stage sports is nothing new, but what "doping" would help soccer players?  The limiting factor is endurance; professional soccer players run 10-12km per match in particularly grueling stop-and-sprint fashion, the play almost never stops and there are only three substitutions allowed all game.  It's not like baseball or football where you spend half the time on your ass so adding 50 extra pounds of muscle is an advantage.  It's not like basketball or hockey where you have rapid substitutions and even starters often play only 30-35 minutes.  Soccer players are, first and foremost, interval runners and just how often do endurance runners dope up?  Steroids add strength but increase bulk.  Stimulants improve focus but also dehydrate you.  Anything else and the athletes either tire quickly or spend halftime on IVs instead of making adjustments.  I suppose you can use HGH to recover from injury faster and that's probably banned but as far as scandals go that's like taking antibiotics FFS.

HGH, EPO, testosterone are all very helpful for endurance.

Contrary to popular belief, you don't always balloon up on steroids. It has to do with your workouts and your calorie intake, as well as the steroid.  Lance was taking HGH + EPO


I should say EPO is helpful for endurance, but the other 2 are very helpful for recovery
 
2014-06-18 03:09:27 PM

Gonz: Stadler, not Sadler.


He should be tested for doping. My god, he and Waldorf were old in the 70s. How are they still alive?
 
2014-06-18 03:23:27 PM
doping is anything other than systematic in football


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2014-06-18 04:04:30 PM
You know what, at this point I don't even care. It didn't work with the Tour, it ain't working now. Take your kiddie chemistry sets and go home, WADA. Your drunk with the faint allusion of power.
 
2014-06-18 04:07:05 PM
Football? You mean soccer.
 
2014-06-18 04:31:43 PM
I think someone switched Spain's doping regimen with a placebo.
 
2014-06-18 05:13:29 PM
I assume that soccer players would take the same drugs as Olympic diving competitors.
 
2014-06-18 07:31:13 PM
Whatever they're taking, it ain't painkillers.

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rjakobi: You know what, at this point I don't even care. It didn't work with the Tour, it ain't working now. Take your kiddie chemistry sets and go home, WADA. Your drunk with the faint allusion of power.


Who's drunk again?
 
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