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(Belfast Telegraph)   Japan's parliament passes law which bans possession of child pornography but the 'Why Bother?' law excludes sexually explicit comics, animation, adults who look like kids, and computer graphics   (belfasttelegraph.co.uk) divider line 214
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2014-06-18 09:32:48 AM
How would one make an adult who looks like a kid illegal?

"Sorry miss, your petite frame and youthful appearance mean you're not really a woman."
 
2014-06-18 09:32:57 AM
In other words, the US Laws?
 
2014-06-18 09:33:06 AM
I don't think it's fair to ban people from looking at kids if they don't have their own.
 
2014-06-18 09:33:48 AM
So it's a sane version.

\no victim, no crime
\\murdering your character in a work of fiction isn't illegal, either
 
2014-06-18 09:34:06 AM
"It allows a grace period of one year for people owning such materials to dispose of encrypt them."

FTFTFA.
 
2014-06-18 09:34:46 AM

Jaden Smith First of His Name: How would one make an adult who looks like a kid illegal?

"Sorry miss, your petite frame and youthful appearance mean you're not really a woman."


I have it on good authority from several Fark Studmen that many women look remarkably similar to 13 year old boys.
 
2014-06-18 09:35:10 AM
Here's how you paint something as terribly wrong using clever wording:

"child sex-abuse images"

How could anyone be against prohibiting child sex abuse and images of it? Meanwhile, the slippery slope is established and eventually all pictures of naked kids will be against the law.

The problem with "common sense" laws is that it takes much less effort to simply follow the rule of law than to apply common sense to every possible instance. So you end up with a society and laws that are oppressive and extreme because the laws that started out on the premise that humans could judge whether it was necessary to apply them turned out to have terrible side effects because no one spent any time actually judging whether it was necessary to apply them.
 
2014-06-18 09:35:31 AM
So it excludes things that aren't actually child porn

/I'm ok with this?
 
2014-06-18 09:37:41 AM
But you'd better blur those genitals, by gum!
 
2014-06-18 09:37:59 AM

Jaden Smith First of His Name: How would one make an adult who looks like a kid illegal?

"Sorry miss, your petite frame and youthful appearance mean you're not really a woman."


Well I'm glad that isn't enforceable, or I'd gone to jail when I got my wife pregnant.

/just yesterday a family member guessed her age wrong by ten years.
//okay, it was a 14 yro blond girl with bad math skills, but my wife was still flattered.
 
2014-06-18 09:38:37 AM
Will no one think of the tentacled rape monsters?
 
2014-06-18 09:39:30 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: Here's how you paint something as terribly wrong using clever wording:

"child sex-abuse images"

How could anyone be against prohibiting child sex abuse and images of it? Meanwhile, the slippery slope is established and eventually all pictures of naked kids will be against the law.

The problem with "common sense" laws is that it takes much less effort to simply follow the rule of law than to apply common sense to every possible instance. So you end up with a society and laws that are oppressive and extreme because the laws that started out on the premise that humans could judge whether it was necessary to apply them turned out to have terrible side effects because no one spent any time actually judging whether it was necessary to apply them.


It really sounds like you're arguing that child pornography shouldn't be banned, dude.
 
2014-06-18 09:39:44 AM
What?

They aren't prosecuting people who aren't hurting anyone?

Outrageous!
 
2014-06-18 09:40:06 AM

Jaden Smith First of His Name: How would one make an adult who looks like a kid illegal?

"Sorry miss, your petite frame and youthful appearance mean you're not really a woman."


There was a case in Mexico I believe where a guy was up on child porn charges because he had images/vids of Little Lupe (a porn star who looks really young). She actually had to go to the court and testify that she was of age and get the dude off.
/well, get him off legally.
//save him some prison time. There. That's what I mean.
 
2014-06-18 09:41:27 AM

Rincewind53: AverageAmericanGuy: Here's how you paint something as terribly wrong using clever wording:

"child sex-abuse images"

How could anyone be against prohibiting child sex abuse and images of it? Meanwhile, the slippery slope is established and eventually all pictures of naked kids will be against the law.

The problem with "common sense" laws is that it takes much less effort to simply follow the rule of law than to apply common sense to every possible instance. So you end up with a society and laws that are oppressive and extreme because the laws that started out on the premise that humans could judge whether it was necessary to apply them turned out to have terrible side effects because no one spent any time actually judging whether it was necessary to apply them.

It really sounds like you're arguing that child pornography shouldn't be banned, dude.


I think that's just wishful thinking on your part.
 
2014-06-18 09:42:44 AM

This text is now purple: So it's a sane version.

\no victim, no crime
\\murdering your character in a work of fiction isn't illegal, either




This.
It's about preventing the exploitation of children, not regulating fiction and fetish.
 
2014-06-18 09:43:00 AM

MagSeven: Jaden Smith First of His Name: How would one make an adult who looks like a kid illegal?

"Sorry miss, your petite frame and youthful appearance mean you're not really a woman."

There was a case in Mexico I believe where a guy was up on child porn charges because he had images/vids of Little Lupe (a porn star who looks really young). She actually had to go to the court and testify that she was of age and get the dude off.
/well, get him off legally.
//save him some prison time. There. That's what I mean.


There's also Kitty Jung. First time I saw her I freaked out and almost nuked the computer from orbit.
 
2014-06-18 09:43:01 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: I think that's just wishful thinking on your part.


I'm going to chock your statement down to trolling. Because no one could realistically argue that pictures of five-year-olds being raped is something that needs to be "painted as terribly wrong."
 
2014-06-18 09:43:04 AM

JRoo: What?

They aren't prosecuting people who aren't hurting anyone?

Outrageous!


Devil's advocate, wherein I'm not actually personally informed enough to know if this is true:  The FBI child abuse division claims that many of these categories represent cases where actual child pornography is tranformed via photoshop filters into things that "look fake", and is being used as a defense in court.

I have no idea if that is true, and I can think of no ethical way to find out.
 
2014-06-18 09:43:24 AM

MagSeven: Jaden Smith First of His Name: How would one make an adult who looks like a kid illegal?

"Sorry miss, your petite frame and youthful appearance mean you're not really a woman."

There was a case in Mexico I believe where a guy was up on child porn charges because he had images/vids of Little Lupe (a porn star who looks really young). She actually had to go to the court and testify that she was of age and get the dude off.
/well, get him off legally.
//save him some prison time. There. That's what I mean.


Too late.
 
2014-06-18 09:44:18 AM
I recall a case in Puerto Rico where a man, who was on trial for possession of child porn, was saved by the porn star he had a collection of, because she wasn't a child, she was a farking PORN STAR!

So yeah, I'm good with this.
 
2014-06-18 09:44:52 AM

Rincewind53: AverageAmericanGuy: I think that's just wishful thinking on your part.

I'm going to chock your statement down to trolling. Because no one could realistically argue that pictures of five-year-olds being raped is something that needs to be "painted as terribly wrong."


Sexually abusing children is already illegal. I'm definitely not in favor of repealing laws against that.
 
2014-06-18 09:45:04 AM

This text is now purple: So it's a sane version.

\no victim, no crime
\\murdering your character in a work of fiction isn't illegal, either


I pretty much agree with you.

I'm ambivalent, however, when it comes to "real person fic". Publishing an explicit comic book depicting horrific things happening to an underage "Bustin Jeiber" may be victimless in the sense that no one is directly harmed in order to make the comic, but it could also be a threat and/or encouragement of violence.
 
2014-06-18 09:45:10 AM

ikanreed: JRoo: What?

They aren't prosecuting people who aren't hurting anyone?

Outrageous!

Devil's advocate, wherein I'm not actually personally informed enough to know if this is true:  The FBI child abuse division claims that many of these categories represent cases where actual child pornography is tranformed via photoshop filters into things that "look fake", and is being used as a defense in court.

I have no idea if that is true, and I can think of no ethical way to find out.


The FBI has digital forensic analysts who could testify in court that the pictures were in fact child pornography. Since child pornography is a strict liability crime (lack of intent to possess is not a defense), it doesn't matter if the person claimed they thought it was legal.
 
2014-06-18 09:45:15 AM

MagSeven: There was a case in Mexico I believe where a guy was up on child porn charges because he had images/vids of Little Lupe (a porn star who looks really young).


There's some blonde out there with Monroe in her name (don't remember if it was first or last name) that when I saw it I freaked the hell out. Turns out she was 19 when it was made, but I seriously thought I stumbled on something I shouldn't have...
 
2014-06-18 09:45:28 AM
Makes sense to me.
 
2014-06-18 09:46:10 AM
I'm not sure I see the "asinine" tag.  None of the things that subby put into the headline actually involve children, and maybe the law was intended to actually -- you know -- protect children.

That seems like a reasonable place to draw the line in terms of leaving pervs alone as long as they aren't hurting anyone.

/ nothing you can draw should be illegal, no matter how offensive someone might find it
 
2014-06-18 09:46:28 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: Rincewind53: AverageAmericanGuy: I think that's just wishful thinking on your part.

I'm going to chock your statement down to trolling. Because no one could realistically argue that pictures of five-year-olds being raped is something that needs to be "painted as terribly wrong."

Sexually abusing children is already illegal. I'm definitely not in favor of repealing laws against that.


So, drawing you back to my statement, does that mean you are in favor of repealing laws about possessing  pictures of five-year-olds being raped?
 
2014-06-18 09:46:48 AM

Jaden Smith First of His Name: How would one make an adult who looks like a kid illegal?

"Sorry miss, your petite frame and youthful appearance mean you're not really a woman."


Australia did it: http://theweek.com/article/index/105766/australias-small-breast-ban
 
2014-06-18 09:47:20 AM

Mose: Jaden Smith First of His Name: How would one make an adult who looks like a kid illegal?

"Sorry miss, your petite frame and youthful appearance mean you're not really a woman."

I have it on good authority from several Fark Studmen that many women look remarkably similar to 13 year old boys.


That's just wishful thinking on their part.
 
2014-06-18 09:47:35 AM
If no real child is being abused, I don't give a fark. Let perverts be perverted, whatever.
 
2014-06-18 09:47:55 AM
Anime with characters that are effectively sexualized children are very creepy, but...

1) They aren't real, so no real child is being victimized.

2) Like violent video games and porn, they give potential perpetrators an outlet for their deviant behavior and keeps them off the street and away from real children.
 
2014-06-18 09:48:01 AM

Rincewind53: AverageAmericanGuy: Rincewind53: AverageAmericanGuy: I think that's just wishful thinking on your part.

I'm going to chock your statement down to trolling. Because no one could realistically argue that pictures of five-year-olds being raped is something that needs to be "painted as terribly wrong."

Sexually abusing children is already illegal. I'm definitely not in favor of repealing laws against that.

So, drawing you back to my statement, does that mean you are in favor of repealing laws about possessing  pictures of five-year-olds being raped?


That's what I said originally. Did you need clarification?
 
2014-06-18 09:48:18 AM

Jaden Smith First of His Name: "Sorry miss, your petite frame and youthful appearance mean you're not really a woman."


Which would actually be a problem in Japan, given both their societal cult of youth, but also the tendency for Japanese woman to look young compared to foreign women.
 
2014-06-18 09:48:55 AM
Why bother with a law that attempts to protect actual children while not giving a fark about imagined/rendered scenarios? Sounds like good legislation to me... Seems like the
 
2014-06-18 09:49:59 AM

Rincewind53: Because no one could realistically argue that pictures of five-year-olds being raped is something that needs to be "painted as terribly wrong."


You could still do that legally, so long as the intent isn't pornographic.

\Ahh, now what's pornography?
 
2014-06-18 09:50:18 AM
8 year olds, dude.
 
2014-06-18 09:50:53 AM
What? This hasn't turned into a thread with multiple pics of large breasted anime school girls? Fark, I am disappoint.
 
2014-06-18 09:51:41 AM

Jaden Smith First of His Name: How would one make an adult who looks like a kid illegal?

"Sorry miss, your petite frame and youthful appearance mean you're not really a woman."


I'm not sure about live actors, but I know in some anime they draw little girls but say they're really 1,000 year old vampires or some such.
 
2014-06-18 09:51:58 AM

Jaden Smith First of His Name: How would one make an adult who looks like a kid illegal?

This could hit a small group of cosmetic surgeons very hard.

They could emigrate to America and being a new specialty -- erasing tattoos.
 
2014-06-18 09:51:59 AM

ikanreed: The FBI child abuse division claims that many of these categories represent cases where actual child pornography is tranformed via photoshop filters into things that "look fake", and is being used as a defense in court.


I wonder if the FBI spent a lot of time in the subway tunnels under Boston after reading Pickman's Model.

They should go snoop around the NSA. I hear their hard drives contain all kinds of kiddie porn.
 
2014-06-18 09:52:15 AM

Jaden Smith First of His Name: How would one make an adult who looks like a kid illegal?

"Sorry miss, your petite frame and youthful appearance mean you're not really a woman."


Ask Australia, but the short answer is "Yes, that's pretty much it exactly".
 
2014-06-18 09:52:28 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: Rincewind53: AverageAmericanGuy: Rincewind53: AverageAmericanGuy: I think that's just wishful thinking on your part.

I'm going to chock your statement down to trolling. Because no one could realistically argue that pictures of five-year-olds being raped is something that needs to be "painted as terribly wrong."

Sexually abusing children is already illegal. I'm definitely not in favor of repealing laws against that.

So, drawing you back to my statement, does that mean you are in favor of repealing laws about possessing  pictures of five-year-olds being raped?

That's what I said originally. Did you need clarification?


Well no, you certainly didn't come right out and say it, you just strongly implied so.

So, okay, got it.  AverageAmericanGuy thinks that child pornography should be legal; that pedophiles should be totally free to jack off over images of a five-year-old being brutally raped, since that's just freedom of expression.

Never mind that the if child pornography were legal, it would create an even bigger underground market for its creation and distribution, or that the victims of the brutal rapes would have to live with the knowledge that it was okay for pedophiles to keep using images of their worst moments for personal sexual gratification.
 
2014-06-18 09:52:40 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: Rincewind53: AverageAmericanGuy: Rincewind53: AverageAmericanGuy: I think that's just wishful thinking on your part.

I'm going to chock your statement down to trolling. Because no one could realistically argue that pictures of five-year-olds being raped is something that needs to be "painted as terribly wrong."

Sexually abusing children is already illegal. I'm definitely not in favor of repealing laws against that.

So, drawing you back to my statement, does that mean you are in favor of repealing laws about possessing  pictures of five-year-olds being raped?

That's what I said originally. Did you need clarification?


I just have to say this is the funniest conversation in the thread so far. "Well it's a slippery slope that can lead to banning pictures of your kids in the bath... WHY DO YOU LIKE CHILD RAPE?!"
 
2014-06-18 09:53:37 AM

Rincewind53: The FBI has digital forensic analysts who could testify in court that the pictures were in fact child pornography. Since child pornography is a strict liability crime (lack of intent to possess is not a defense), it doesn't matter if the person claimed they thought it was legal.


I've always found that a curious law. Wouldn't that mean the court record-keeper and the prosecutor are also guilty of possession?
 
2014-06-18 09:53:58 AM
I still laugh at the guy who got in trouble in Australia for Simpsons porn. He must have hired the worst lawyer on the planet.
 
2014-06-18 09:54:34 AM

Jaden Smith First of His Name: I just have to say this is the funniest conversation in the thread so far. "Well it's a slippery slope that can lead to banning pictures of your kids in the bath... WHY DO YOU LIKE CHILD RAPE?!"


Uh, no. He's arguing in favor of actively making it legal to possess child pornography, not just saying "let's slow down here and make sure the laws don't go too far."
 
2014-06-18 09:55:11 AM

This text is now purple: Rincewind53: The FBI has digital forensic analysts who could testify in court that the pictures were in fact child pornography. Since child pornography is a strict liability crime (lack of intent to possess is not a defense), it doesn't matter if the person claimed they thought it was legal.

I've always found that a curious law. Wouldn't that mean the court record-keeper and the prosecutor are also guilty of possession?


Nah, it's "evidence" at that point, and doesn't count.
 
2014-06-18 09:55:59 AM

Rincewind53: AverageAmericanGuy: Rincewind53: AverageAmericanGuy: Rincewind53: AverageAmericanGuy: I think that's just wishful thinking on your part.

I'm going to chock your statement down to trolling. Because no one could realistically argue that pictures of five-year-olds being raped is something that needs to be "painted as terribly wrong."

Sexually abusing children is already illegal. I'm definitely not in favor of repealing laws against that.

So, drawing you back to my statement, does that mean you are in favor of repealing laws about possessing  pictures of five-year-olds being raped?

That's what I said originally. Did you need clarification?

Well no, you certainly didn't come right out and say it, you just strongly implied so.

So, okay, got it.  AverageAmericanGuy thinks that child pornography should be legal; that pedophiles should be totally free to jack off over images of a five-year-old being brutally raped, since that's just freedom of expression.

Never mind that the if child pornography were legal, it would create an even bigger underground market for its creation and distribution, or that the victims of the brutal rapes would have to live with the knowledge that it was okay for pedophiles to keep using images of their worst moments for personal sexual gratification.


This missive just got me thinking -- are photos of murder illegal?  I mean, murder itself is illegal of course, but are images or videos of it illegal in their own right?  How about (non-sexual) assault?  Or any other violent (or non-violent) crime?
 
2014-06-18 09:58:40 AM

Rincewind53: AverageAmericanGuy: Here's how you paint something as terribly wrong using clever wording:

"child sex-abuse images"

How could anyone be against prohibiting child sex abuse and images of it? Meanwhile, the slippery slope is established and eventually all pictures of naked kids will be against the law.

The problem with "common sense" laws is that it takes much less effort to simply follow the rule of law than to apply common sense to every possible instance. So you end up with a society and laws that are oppressive and extreme because the laws that started out on the premise that humans could judge whether it was necessary to apply them turned out to have terrible side effects because no one spent any time actually judging whether it was necessary to apply them.

It really sounds like you're arguing that child pornography shouldn't be banned, dude.


You really sound like the guy who gets thrown in jail, and then beats up on what you percieve as the "bad criminals", to somehow attain some percieved status.
 
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