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(Opposing Views)   If you find out that you bought a dog that was given away without a soldier's knowledge while he was deployed, should you: a) give it back to him, b) sell it back to him, or c) ignore his pleas and keep it?   (opposingviews.com) divider line 162
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2014-06-17 10:15:00 PM  
$14000? Yeah, my kids would be saying goodbye to Mister Snugglepants. Then we'd all go to the shelter and get a free goddamn dog to help ease their pain.
 
2014-06-17 10:15:03 PM  
If I was the soldier I would kindly settle for the $14000 going to my own account, let the strangers keep the freaking puppy.  Who cares, it's just a dog.  And seriously, why give the puppy to some girlfriend?  Did he think there was a chance in hell she would still be there when he got back?  Those are called wives.  I would have sold the dog too.  The family in question is probably going to get death threats now that the internet has sunk it's diseased gums into the story.  I hope you are all happy with yourselves.
 
2014-06-17 10:19:26 PM  

jaytkay: Feckless douche abandons his dog with irresponsible girlfriend, she sells it, dog is now with a responsible family, where it enjoys lots of attention and exercise instead of being cooped up in some Fort Carson apartment/meth lab.


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2014-06-17 10:21:18 PM  

MutantMotherMouse: You know what's sadder than keeping a deployed soldier's dog? Opposing Views links.


You know what's sadder? Farkers complaining about where a headline comes from.

/Jeez, get over it!
 
2014-06-17 10:21:25 PM  

obamadidcoke: Bit'O'Gristle: gja: Bit'O'Gristle: A Colorado family took in a soldier's missing dog and is refusing to give the Shiba Inu back because they say their kids are too attached.

The dog's owner, Robert "Robby" Gabbert, was deployed to Afghanistan in March, and he left his 3-year-old Shiba Inu, named Baxter, with the wrong person. His girlfriend in Fort Carson was supposed to be petsitting Baxter, but she decided it was too much for her to handle. Instead of returning him to Robby's family, she sold him on Craigslis

/So let me get this straight. This fine young man was serving in our military, in a war zone where he could have been killed, and his coont of a girlfriend can't even manage to pony up the strength to watch a farking dog? Really? And instead of giving the dog to the parents of the soldier, she sold it on craigslist? Wow. He should really get a few kicks in the coont on that biatch...seriously.

And to the family who has the dog, I guess, it's apparently more important to protect your precious crotch fruit from any mental pain, because that would, you know, prepare them for life. Rather, you have taught them a lesson of heartless selfishness. Way to go, you are both assholes. Turn in your parental cards immediately

I was gonna rant, but you seem to have covered this nicely, and properly. Thank you sir.

/np, i just did it first. I'm sure you would have done a better job. And you're welcome.

Or they could teach their children about property rights, resisting social pressure and honoring your commitments as opposed to the mawkish USA, USA, USA bullshiat that you are spouting.


Unless I'm misinterpreting you, you think that selling things that aren't yours to sell (or purchasing things from anyone who is not the owner) is a lesson in property rights?

Can I borrow your car?

 
2014-06-17 10:21:28 PM  

moothemagiccow: Not planning on staying in the country? Don't buy something that needs daily care.


FTA: Robby has owned and taken care of Baxter since the dog was just a puppy.

And he tried to do the right thing by making arrangements for his girlfriend (at the time) to take care of Baxter while he was deployed. How in the hell could he have anticipated her selling the dog on Craigslist?
 
2014-06-17 10:24:10 PM  
Nothing better than ripping a dog away from the small children who have been caring for it every day for months. It teaches them that their little lives are nothing next to someone with the label of "soldier" in our jingoistic country.

Also, if he's got six more months on deployment, what are they going to do with the dog? Stick him in a kennel for half a year?
 
2014-06-17 10:33:57 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Do the right, folks

/give the man his dog and get the kids a pup that will bond with them
//and use it as an ethics teaching moment


Ad to the fact that they were given the dog under false pretenses, so it is not their property any more than the owners wallet.
 
2014-06-17 10:36:00 PM  

Theaetetus: Nothing better than ripping a dog away from the small children who have been caring for it every day for months. It teaches them that their little lives are nothing next to someone with the label of "soldier" in our jingoistic country.

Also, if he's got six more months on deployment, what are they going to do with the dog? Stick him in a kennel for half a year?


In all honesty it's a tough situation.  What was the girlfriend's claim to the dog?  Did the two of them get the dog together, or did he have the dog before they moved in together?  I'm not sure about the legalities involved and what becomes communal property when a couple isn't married.

He obviously didn't want the dog to be sold, but the people who bought the dog apparently had to reason to believe that someone would show up several months later and suddenly ask for the dog back, so this has to be tough for them as well.

It would be nice for the family to say 'it's unfortunate that we were hustled by this girl, but we realize that the actual owner of this dog didn't want to give it up, and as attached as our kids are, we understand he's also attached, so he can have the dog back', as it would be nice for the soldier to say 'the situation sucks, by my girlfriend is to blame, those kids shouldn't have to give up their pet, I'm glad my dog has a good home now'.

Either situation is fine in my mind, neither party is morally wrong for wanting to have the dog.  The only real villain here is the girlfriend who decided to sell the dog on Craigslist.
 
2014-06-17 10:38:16 PM  

Monaro: obamadidcoke: Or they could teach their children about property rights, resisting social pressure and honoring your commitments as opposed to the mawkish USA, USA, USA bullshiat that you are spouting.

Unless I'm misinterpreting you, you think that selling things that aren't yours to sell (or purchasing things from anyone who is not the owner) is a lesson in property rights?

Can I borrow your car?


Although he's a troll, he  may be right in this instance - the article doesn't really go into the details of the transfer from the soldier to the girlfriend. If he effectively transferred title to her, even under an agreement that she would transfer it back, then the family are bona fide purchasers and take good title against the soldier. His only rights would be against her for breach of their agreement. OTOH, if she didn't have title, then she couldn't transfer it to the purchasers. It would depend on the terms of the agreement, whether the dog was a bailment, etc.
 
2014-06-17 10:38:27 PM  

Theaetetus: Nothing better than ripping a dog away from the small children who have been caring for it every day for months. It teaches them that their little lives are nothing next to someone with the label of "soldier" in our jingoistic country.

Also, if he's got six more months on deployment, what are they going to do with the dog? Stick him in a kennel for half a year?


Screw the kids' feelings. Screw the title of soldier.

What about the dog? Which owner does the dog want?
 
2014-06-17 10:39:06 PM  
I've done and said things in my life that have secured me a first class ticket to Hell, should it exist anyway. But refusing to give the guy's dog back after he raised it and it was sold against his will while he was fighting for his country, and then he explained that to the family..... That trumps anything bad I've done.
 
2014-06-17 10:42:30 PM  

Czechzican: It wasn't her dog to sell, she was just a guardian, so wouldn't the sale be considered illegal?


Yeah, I don't get it.  It seems to me the dog is stolen property.  The family that has it now should be in jail.

obamadidcoke: Hey soldier boy choices have consequences.
fark him, he chose to leave the dog with a girl who did not want it. The family acquired it legally end of story.


It's not possible for them to acquire it legally, you can never have clear title to stolen property.
 
2014-06-17 10:42:38 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: The only real villain here is the girlfriend who decided to sell the dog on Craigslist.


I would also point out that we've only heard one side of the story. She may have reasonably believed that he was giving the dog to her and that it was hers to keep or sell as she wished. There's nothing that says that his family even contacted her before she sold the dog and asked for it back.
 
2014-06-17 10:42:43 PM  
I read that as "bought a hot dog", which works too, but for the life of me I couldn't figure out who would sell a soldiers hot dog and why would the soldier care?

/Yes, I've been drinking
//BHB FTW!
 
2014-06-17 10:43:37 PM  

doglover: Theaetetus: Nothing better than ripping a dog away from the small children who have been caring for it every day for months. It teaches them that their little lives are nothing next to someone with the label of "soldier" in our jingoistic country.

Also, if he's got six more months on deployment, what are they going to do with the dog? Stick him in a kennel for half a year?

Screw the kids' feelings. Screw the title of soldier.

What about the dog? Which owner does the dog want?


That's the real answer. The dog should be put at a position equidistant from the kids and the soldier, and they can both whistle and beckon as much as they want.  Let the dog decide.

/"Apparently, he wants his testicles back, from the way he's licking..."
 
2014-06-17 10:45:36 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Do the right, folks

/give the man his dog and get the kids a pup that will bond with them
//and use it as an ethics teaching moment

That's probably the best move.  I don't really fault the family for wanting to keep the dog, after all they obtained it under legitimate seeming means, but if they've only had it for a few months it's probably smarter to do the nice thing and give it back to the guy.


They should talk to a lawyer. My parents adopted a police dog from a rescue shelter that was abused and illegally abandoned by her handler/trainer, and her previous ownership (by a breeder who loaned the dog to the police) came up after the dog was spayed, fed and medicated by my parents. The police and the breeder relinquished ownership because of animal ownership and abandonment laws.
 
2014-06-17 10:45:37 PM  

rustypouch: I don't see what the big deal is.

He can get a new one for almost nothing. In fact, the pound kills the ones they can't give away.


Are you not a pet owner? There's a special bond between a man and a dog he raises from a puppy, it's damn close to being a child. So imagine someone watching your kid while you're away fighting a war, then they put him with an adoptive family who refuses to give him back. What, you just go to an adoption agency and adopt a new kid? Kinda the same concept.
 
2014-06-17 10:45:38 PM  

Loren: Czechzican: It wasn't her dog to sell, she was just a guardian, so wouldn't the sale be considered illegal?

Yeah, I don't get it.  It seems to me the dog is stolen property.  The family that has it now should be in jail.

obamadidcoke: Hey soldier boy choices have consequences.
fark him, he chose to leave the dog with a girl who did not want it. The family acquired it legally end of story.

It's not possible for them to acquire it legally, you can never have clear title to stolen property.


You have to knowingly receive stolen property to commit a crime. Otherwise, misanthropic trolls would be running around selling stolen goods to unsuspecting victims and then anonymously reporting them.
 
2014-06-17 10:47:09 PM  

obamadidcoke: fark him, he chose to leave the dog with a girl who did not want it.


I'm inclined to think it would be reasonable to expect the girlfriend to say, "I don't want it, dude. Find someone else to take care of it."
 
2014-06-17 10:47:41 PM  

baka-san: I wish they would shame the hell out of his ex.

Somebody did that to me my foot would have a heartfelt chat with their ass.


Yeah if my gf did that shiat to me when I was deployed, I'd come back and pull some Breaking Bad shiat and dissolve her in acid, but wouldn't kill her first.
 
2014-06-17 10:47:54 PM  

Theaetetus: doglover: Theaetetus: Nothing better than ripping a dog away from the small children who have been caring for it every day for months. It teaches them that their little lives are nothing next to someone with the label of "soldier" in our jingoistic country.

Also, if he's got six more months on deployment, what are they going to do with the dog? Stick him in a kennel for half a year?

Screw the kids' feelings. Screw the title of soldier.

What about the dog? Which owner does the dog want?

That's the real answer. The dog should be put at a position equidistant from the kids and the soldier, and they can both whistle and beckon as much as they want.  Let the dog decide.

/"Apparently, he wants his testicles back, from the way he's licking..."


Like you wouldn't if you could.
 
2014-06-17 10:49:20 PM  

Dirty J1: I've done and said things in my life that have secured me a first class ticket to Hell, should it exist anyway. But refusing to give the guy's dog back after he raised it and it was sold against his will while he was fighting for his country, and then he explained that to the family..... That trumps anything bad I've done.


What if they refused to give the guy's dog back after he raised it and it was sold against his will while he was working on an oil rig?
What if they refused to give the guy's dog back after he raised it and it was sold against his will while he was on vacation out of the country?
What if they refused to give the guy's dog back after he raised it and it was sold against his will while he was in jail?

Does "fighting for his country" somehow elevate the badness of what this family did? What about the fact that they also have family members in the military - does that negate his military service? Does one branch trump another? What if they got the dog to help with the PTSD of their son, who just came back from fighting for his country? Would that make this guy a bigger jerk for asking for it back?

There's a reason that emotional pleas make bad arguments.
 
2014-06-17 10:49:50 PM  
His girlfriend in Fort Carson was supposed to be petsitting Baxter, but she decided it was too much for her to handle. Instead of returning him to Robby's family, she sold him on Craigslist

Whatever happens, I think we can all agree she dies soon of syphilitic gangrene.
 
2014-06-17 10:52:22 PM  
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2014-06-17 10:53:06 PM  

doglover: Theaetetus: /"Apparently, he wants his testicles back, from the way he's licking..."

Like you wouldn't if you could.


Lick a dog's balls? That's seems more up your alley, doglover.
 
2014-06-17 10:54:54 PM  

Theaetetus: Dirty J1: I've done and said things in my life that have secured me a first class ticket to Hell, should it exist anyway. But refusing to give the guy's dog back after he raised it and it was sold against his will while he was fighting for his country, and then he explained that to the family..... That trumps anything bad I've done.

What if they refused to give the guy's dog back after he raised it and it was sold against his will while he was working on an oil rig?
What if they refused to give the guy's dog back after he raised it and it was sold against his will while he was on vacation out of the country?
What if they refused to give the guy's dog back after he raised it and it was sold against his will while he was in jail?

Does "fighting for his country" somehow elevate the badness of what this family did? What about the fact that they also have family members in the military - does that negate his military service? Does one branch trump another? What if they got the dog to help with the PTSD of their son, who just came back from fighting for his country? Would that make this guy a bigger jerk for asking for it back?

There's a reason that emotional pleas make bad arguments.


The real plea here sir is that the caretaker broke their bond and trafficked in personal property (for such pets still are) behind the owner's back.

If she fences his car and clothes while he was deployed, has he a right to demand them back?
 
2014-06-17 10:55:42 PM  

mesmer242: The article says the family that has the dog is also a military family.


You're going to make gristle boy's head explode.
 
2014-06-17 10:57:32 PM  

IlGreven: MutantMotherMouse: You know what's sadder than keeping a deployed soldier's dog? Opposing Views links.

You know what's sadder? Farkers complaining about where a headline comes from.

/Jeez, get over it!


Your blog still sucks, Groberman.

/not that I could do any better
//but it sucks nonetheless
 
2014-06-17 11:01:22 PM  

Theaetetus: Dirty J1: I've done and said things in my life that have secured me a first class ticket to Hell, should it exist anyway. But refusing to give the guy's dog back after he raised it and it was sold against his will while he was fighting for his country, and then he explained that to the family..... That trumps anything bad I've done.

What if they refused to give the guy's dog back after he raised it and it was sold against his will while he was working on an oil rig?
What if they refused to give the guy's dog back after he raised it and it was sold against his will while he was on vacation out of the country?
What if they refused to give the guy's dog back after he raised it and it was sold against his will while he was in jail?

Does "fighting for his country" somehow elevate the badness of what this family did? What about the fact that they also have family members in the military - does that negate his military service? Does one branch trump another? What if they got the dog to help with the PTSD of their son, who just came back from fighting for his country? Would that make this guy a bigger jerk for asking for it back?

There's a reason that emotional pleas make bad arguments.


I'm not saying one of them scenarios is worse than the other, was just stating this particular one. If he were away on an oil rig, vacation, or jail it would be equally as farked up. The article also didnt state whether they got it for PTSD or whatever either. The kids who just got the dog bought for them on Craigslist will get over it, more so than the guy who raised it and had it essentially stolen from him. Trust me, the kids would be fine and maybe benefit from giving the dog back as a kind gesture, they will learn a valuable life lesson. Even if they're broken up over it they will get over it. I was 10 when my dad made me shoot my own sick dog in the head to end his misery. I got over it. I was 10.
 
2014-06-17 11:04:18 PM  

mesmer242: The article says the family that has the dog is also a military family.


Sounds like the beginning of a Robert Rodríguez movie. Let them fight it out at point-blank range!
 
2014-06-17 11:04:28 PM  

obamadidcoke: Monaro: obamadidcoke: Bit'O'Gristle: gja: Bit'O'Gristle: A Colorado family took in a soldier's missing dog and is refusing to give the Shiba Inu back because they say their kids are too attached.

The dog's owner, Robert "Robby" Gabbert, was deployed to Afghanistan in March, and he left his 3-year-old Shiba Inu, named Baxter, with the wrong person. His girlfriend in Fort Carson was supposed to be petsitting Baxter, but she decided it was too much for her to handle. Instead of returning him to Robby's family, she sold him on Craigslis

/So let me get this straight. This fine young man was serving in our military, in a war zone where he could have been killed, and his coont of a girlfriend can't even manage to pony up the strength to watch a farking dog? Really? And instead of giving the dog to the parents of the soldier, she sold it on craigslist? Wow. He should really get a few kicks in the coont on that biatch...seriously.

And to the family who has the dog, I guess, it's apparently more important to protect your precious crotch fruit from any mental pain, because that would, you know, prepare them for life. Rather, you have taught them a lesson of heartless selfishness. Way to go, you are both assholes. Turn in your parental cards immediately

I was gonna rant, but you seem to have covered this nicely, and properly. Thank you sir.

/np, i just did it first. I'm sure you would have done a better job. And you're welcome.

Or they could teach their children about property rights, resisting social pressure and honoring your commitments as opposed to the mawkish USA, USA, USA bullshiat that you are spouting.

Unless I'm misinterpreting you, you think that selling things that aren't yours to sell (or purchasing things from anyone who is not the owner) is a lesson in property rights?

Can I borrow your car?

The ability to sell this piece of property is not addressed in this article. We do not know that she did not have a legal right to sell the dog. If she did not then the soldier needs to urge that she is prosecuted and sue her in civil court.


Really....he needs to kick the shiat out of her in the front yard of the family that has his dog. Make a point to the whole group of moldy douche bags and the snowflakes about consequences, lies, theft and loyalty. Take his dog and go on about his business.
/Army Brat(ette) who learned those lessons as a farking child.
 
2014-06-17 11:10:09 PM  
This whole situation sounds like a shiatty country song.
 
2014-06-17 11:12:47 PM  

Dirty J1: rustypouch: I don't see what the big deal is.

He can get a new one for almost nothing. In fact, the pound kills the ones they can't give away.

Are you not a pet owner? There's a special bond between a man and a dog he raises from a puppy, it's damn close to being a child. So imagine someone watching your kid while you're away fighting a war, then they put him with an adoptive family who refuses to give him back. What, you just go to an adoption agency and adopt a new kid? Kinda the same concept.


Pets are not anywhere near people.

How can you have such a low opinion of children that you think they're little better than animals?
 
2014-06-17 11:13:40 PM  
They won't have a moment's peace until they do the right thing. They deserve everything they have coming to them.
 
2014-06-17 11:14:01 PM  

obamadidcoke: Dirty J1: rustypouch: I don't see what the big deal is.

He can get a new one for almost nothing. In fact, the pound kills the ones they can't give away.

Are you not a pet owner? There's a special bond between a man and a dog he raises from a puppy, it's damn close to being a child. So imagine someone watching your kid while you're away fighting a war, then they put him with an adoptive family who refuses to give him back. What, you just go to an adoption agency and adopt a new kid? Kinda the same concept.

It is not a child it is just a dog.


Well that's a fine opinion for you, but some people, like the fellow in this story, love their dogs like family members. Saying its "just a dog" sounds like something a Christian douche who believes humans are king dick and are better than anything would say. Am I right? Did i hit the nail on the head there?
 
2014-06-17 11:16:57 PM  

rustypouch: Dirty J1: rustypouch: I don't see what the big deal is.

He can get a new one for almost nothing. In fact, the pound kills the ones they can't give away.

Are you not a pet owner? There's a special bond between a man and a dog he raises from a puppy, it's damn close to being a child. So imagine someone watching your kid while you're away fighting a war, then they put him with an adoptive family who refuses to give him back. What, you just go to an adoption agency and adopt a new kid? Kinda the same concept.

Pets are not anywhere near people.

How can you have such a low opinion of children that you think they're little better than animals?


Well personally thats just the way i am so suck it. However all I'm saying here is that some people love their pets enough to consider them family members. This guy essentially had a family member that was taken away agains his will.
 
2014-06-17 11:17:37 PM  
"No one wants to give them any negative publicity," Wallace explains. "We just really want Baxter back home with Robby."


Quite the contrary, they should be completely exposed and whoever the head of that family is who made the decision to be fu**ing scumbags and not do the right thing without any hesitation whatsoever should be shamed to their dying days.
 
2014-06-17 11:19:33 PM  

rustypouch: Dirty J1: rustypouch: I don't see what the big deal is.

He can get a new one for almost nothing. In fact, the pound kills the ones they can't give away.

Are you not a pet owner? There's a special bond between a man and a dog he raises from a puppy, it's damn close to being a child. So imagine someone watching your kid while you're away fighting a war, then they put him with an adoptive family who refuses to give him back. What, you just go to an adoption agency and adopt a new kid? Kinda the same concept.

Pets are not anywhere near people.

How can you have such a low opinion of children that you think they're little better than animals?


And as I said in a similar comment, you seem like a Christian douche who believes humans are elite king dicks and everything else is below us and doesn't matter. I bet I'm right.
 
2014-06-17 11:21:46 PM  

obamadidcoke: Dirty J1: obamadidcoke: Dirty J1: rustypouch: I don't see what the big deal is.

He can get a new one for almost nothing. In fact, the pound kills the ones they can't give away.

Are you not a pet owner? There's a special bond between a man and a dog he raises from a puppy, it's damn close to being a child. So imagine someone watching your kid while you're away fighting a war, then they put him with an adoptive family who refuses to give him back. What, you just go to an adoption agency and adopt a new kid? Kinda the same concept.

It is not a child it is just a dog.

Well that's a fine opinion for you, but some people, like the fellow in this story, love their dogs like family members. Saying its "just a dog" sounds like something a Christian douche who believes humans are king dick and are better than anything would say. Am I right? Did i hit the nail on the head there?

I'm an atheist and it's still just a dog.

Animals are ether property or food sometimes both.


Well whatever opinion keeps you happy. I'm going to assume then that either you aren't a pet owner, or you are a very shiatty pet owner.
 
2014-06-17 11:24:04 PM  

Dirty J1: I was 10 when my dad made me shoot my own sick dog in the head to end his misery. I got over it.


It's just like shooting a kid.
 
2014-06-17 11:24:59 PM  
Why don't they take a third option and sell the girlfriend on craigslist?
 
2014-06-17 11:30:46 PM  

doctor wu: "No one wants to give them any negative publicity," Wallace explains. "We just really want Baxter back home with Robby."


Quite the contrary, they should be completely exposed and whoever the head of that family is who made the decision to be fu**ing scumbags and not do the right thing without any hesitation whatsoever should be shamed to their dying days.


They pretty much have shiatty publicity already. I mean, not too many people here have nice things to say about them, and I'm sure the attitude is the same no matter where they read the story. Maybe they didnt want negative publicity, but wit something like this it kind of comes with the territory once the story is out.
 
2014-06-17 11:42:54 PM  

Theaetetus: Loren: Czechzican: It wasn't her dog to sell, she was just a guardian, so wouldn't the sale be considered illegal?

Yeah, I don't get it.  It seems to me the dog is stolen property.  The family that has it now should be in jail.

obamadidcoke: Hey soldier boy choices have consequences.
fark him, he chose to leave the dog with a girl who did not want it. The family acquired it legally end of --story.

--It's not possible for them to acquire it legally, you can never have clear title to stolen property.

You have to knowingly receive stolen property to commit a crime. Otherwise, misanthropic trolls would be running around selling stolen goods to unsuspecting victims and then anonymously reporting them.


No, you do not have to knowingly receive stolen property to be charged.  If this was the case, every thief would just say, 'I didn't know it was stolen'.  Oh wait, that IS what they say.

In any case, aside from being charged, when it comes to light you have stolen property, you must give it up.  In this case, if the family gave $5,000 for the dog to the girlfriend, they are simply out that money until they can get some back from the girlfriend if ever.
 
2014-06-17 11:42:56 PM  
"His girlfriend in Fort Carson was supposed to be petsitting Baxter, but she decided it was too much for her to handle. Instead of returning him to Robby's family, she sold him on Craigslist. "

I swear to farking god! Craigslist needs to be erased from the Internet, it's admins tossed live into woodchippers, and their children sold off to the Saudis! Absolutely nothing good has ever come from that horrible site!
 
2014-06-17 11:45:28 PM  

Dirty J1: rustypouch: Dirty J1: rustypouch: I don't see what the big deal is.

He can get a new one for almost nothing. In fact, the pound kills the ones they can't give away.

Are you not a pet owner? There's a special bond between a man and a dog he raises from a puppy, it's damn close to being a child. So imagine someone watching your kid while you're away fighting a war, then they put him with an adoptive family who refuses to give him back. What, you just go to an adoption agency and adopt a new kid? Kinda the same concept.

Pets are not anywhere near people.

How can you have such a low opinion of children that you think they're little better than animals?

And as I said in a similar comment, you seem like a Christian douche who believes humans are elite king dicks and everything else is below us and doesn't matter. I bet I'm right.


How much are you willing to bet?
 
2014-06-17 11:45:46 PM  

obamadidcoke: CSB

I went into the army when I was 17. I had to give away a dog that I had since I was 12 and raised from a puppy. It was sad but I got over it. That's just what you do, you make sacrifices and you suck it up and drive on. If you can't take care of the pet you shouldn't have the pet.

What kind of a pussy is this guy? He should be happy that the dog has a stable loving home.

Now he can focus on doing his job and making sure that his buddies survive their Afghan Adventure, which is infinitely more important than a dog

/Ultimately this guy joined an army at war. He knew he would be deployed, but he expected someone else to pick up his slack. She decided that she did not want too, tough shiat. Maybe he will learn an important lesson about personal responsibility.

//Nobody made him join. Nobody made him leave it with the girlfriend.


You see your situation is different. You consciously gave up your dog as a catch for joining the army. Joining the military is chock full of sacrifices, but ones you have the option to make. You had the option to not join and keep your dog, you made the decision. No one held a gun to your head and said "join the army." The draft hasn't come back yet. This guys story is different. He had a dog that he loved and wanted to keep, and he loved his gf enough to trust her with his dog. He was then betrayed by said girlfriend and his dog that he intended and was capable of keeping upon returning was illegally just sold away. And to add insult to injury, to rectify this he explained the situation to the illegitimate owners and they said, in a nut shell, "fark you." He didnt choose to give up his dog, It was essentially stolen.
 
2014-06-17 11:46:32 PM  

obamadidcoke: CSB

I went into the army when I was 17. I had to give away a dog that I had since I was 12 and raised from a puppy. It was sad but I got over it. That's just what you do, you make sacrifices and you suck it up and drive on. If you can't take care of the pet you shouldn't have the pet.

What kind of a pussy is this guy? He should be happy that the dog has a stable loving home.

Now he can focus on doing his job and making sure that his buddies survive their Afghan Adventure, which is infinitely more important than a dog

/Ultimately this guy joined an army at war. He knew he would be deployed, but he expected someone else to pick up his slack. She decided that she did not want too, tough shiat. Maybe he will learn an important lesson about personal responsibility.

//Nobody made him join. Nobody made him leave it with the girlfriend.


I wonder whose alt this is?
 
2014-06-17 11:47:30 PM  

Nutsac_Jim: Theaetetus: Loren: Czechzican: It wasn't her dog to sell, she was just a guardian, so wouldn't the sale be considered illegal?

Yeah, I don't get it.  It seems to me the dog is stolen property.  The family that has it now should be in jail.

obamadidcoke: Hey soldier boy choices have consequences.
fark him, he chose to leave the dog with a girl who did not want it. The family acquired it legally end of --story.

--It's not possible for them to acquire it legally, you can never have clear title to stolen property.

You have to knowingly receive stolen property to commit a crime. Otherwise, misanthropic trolls would be running around selling stolen goods to unsuspecting victims and then anonymously reporting them.

No, you do not have to knowingly receive stolen property to be charged.  If this was the case, every thief would just say, 'I didn't know it was stolen'.  Oh wait, that IS what they say.

In any case, aside from being charged, when it comes to light you have stolen property, you must give it up.  In this case, if the family gave $5,000 for the dog to the girlfriend, they are simply out that money until they can get some back from the girlfriend if ever.


The laws regarding animals acquired in good faith from third parties controlling but not owning the animals are different than other property types, depending on the states. The final ownership likewise is different. Did the girlfriend have any legal right to sell the dog? Either way, it is a civil matter.
 
2014-06-17 11:47:53 PM  
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