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2014-06-17 07:13:47 PM
A BIG piece of the story is missing: how did she die?
 
2014-06-17 07:14:05 PM

iheartscotch: She should have thought about that before accumulating such a high fine over almost 15 years of truant children. One time is fine; hell, 9 times is fine. Her kids were fined on approximately 250 times at $8 a fine.


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2014-06-17 07:14:44 PM
Somewhere out there, there's a school superintendent faping off furiously to his level of power.

"mmmmmyeah......I can have parents killed if they defy me. Nggghh! I am God! Ngghhhhyyyeaaaaahhhhh!" fapfapfapfapfapfapfapfapfapfapfap
 
2014-06-17 07:15:12 PM

HairBolus: Here is her obituary: http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/readingeagle/obituary.aspx?n=eileen- d inino-bierman&pid=171350004


Eileen M. DiNino, age 55, of Reading, passed away unexpectedly on Saturday June 7, 2014 in the St. Joseph Medica Center, Bern Township, Reading.
She was born in Reading and was the daughter of the late Harry J. and Elizabeth M. (Zalesky) Bierman.
She leaves behind her children: sons: Michael Tobias, Ash, Brian and
Charlie, Matthew, Justin DiNino, and Joseph Maisonet; her loving daughter, Erika Tarnoski;
...
 First off she was probably pronounced dead (not passed away) in the St. Joseph Medical Center.


Her list of kids is fairly hard to parse. This is what I get organizing them by last name:
Tobias:   Michael
Matthew:  Ash, Brian, Charlie
DiNino:   Justin
Maisonet: Joseph
Tarnoski: Erika


Looks kind of like tonya harding in the nineties.
 
Al!
2014-06-17 07:16:55 PM

iheartscotch: She should have thought about that before accumulating such a high fine over almost 15 years of truant children. One time is fine; hell, 9 times is fine. Her kids were fined on approximately 250 times at $8 a fine.


I don't understand the system, so someone please help me.  Are fines levied for every case of missed school?  That seems a bit ridiculous.  As for the 250x: with 7 kids over 15 years that amounts to barely more than 2 absences per year per child.  I know I regularly missed 2-5 days of school each year, with funerals and illnesses and everything else that goes on, and I never deliberately skipped school.  I don't know what would have gone down if my family was fined for every day of school that we missed, but we were poor as hell and there were 7 of us kids, so it likely would have gone something like this story.
 
2014-06-17 07:17:01 PM
1. She had no problem being able to afford to keep having kids.
2. Her fines amounted to roughly 36 cents per day over the 15 years she accumulated them.
3. She was halfway through a 48 hour sentence that would have allowed her to walk free and owe nothing of the fines it took her a decade and a half to ruin up.


"What you see is kind of a slice of inner-city life," said lawyer Richard Guida, who handled truancy cases, including DiNino's, as a Reading School District solicitor for more than a decade. "The people home taking care of the children are mothers. Many times, they're overwhelmed, and some of these kids are no angels."

"Language barriers can also be an issue for letters and phone calls between the parents and school, given that the vast majority of the city and school population is Hispanic, he said. "

Except DiNino was a Caucasian lady who spoke English just fine.

"This woman died in prison, away from her family," Barnhardt told the Reading Eagle. "And for what?"

Just stop lying.  County lockup is nothing like prison.
 
2014-06-17 07:17:52 PM
FTFA: $8 for a "judicial computer project"; $60 for Berks County constables; $10 for postage"  - but they can accumulate into a big number, the AP said.

Jebus Cripes, where the fark do they buy their stamps?
 
2014-06-17 07:18:31 PM

gadian: I feel like somewhere along the way, if I were too poor to pay the fines, I'd figure out someway to make the kids go to school.  Even if that means going every morning and walk (drag) each of them to the doors personally, sending them to live with other relatives, or getting OCS involved because I obviously cannot manage to get my shiat together and need drastic intervention.


You are assuming that she cared if the kids went to school to any extent other than the fines that landed on her.
 
2014-06-17 07:19:28 PM

Filth Paste: FTFA: $8 for a "judicial computer project"; $60 for Berks County constables; $10 for postage"  - but they can accumulate into a big number, the AP said.

Jebus Cripes, where the fark do they buy their stamps?


the letters probably have to be sent certified.
 
2014-06-17 07:20:14 PM
Al!:  I know I regularly missed 2-5 days of school each year, with funerals and illnesses and everything else that goes on

Yeah, illnesses or other family business like a funeral isn't "truancy" because it's usually excused.
 
2014-06-17 07:20:18 PM

FailOut08: Except now she's dead and possibly the kids will enter into either state custody and/or the welfare system causing a much bigger problem than a debt for petty infractions. But hey, they showed her.



Did it not even occur to you that the FATHER will provide for them?

Of course not
 
2014-06-17 07:24:43 PM

stonelotus: 1. She had no problem being able to afford to keep having kids.
2. Her fines amounted to roughly 36 cents per day over the 15 years she accumulated them.
3. She was halfway through a 48 hour sentence that would have allowed her to walk free and owe nothing of the fines it took her a decade and a half to ruin up.


"What you see is kind of a slice of inner-city life," said lawyer Richard Guida, who handled truancy cases, including DiNino's, as a Reading School District solicitor for more than a decade. "The people home taking care of the children are mothers. Many times, they're overwhelmed, and some of these kids are no angels."

"Language barriers can also be an issue for letters and phone calls between the parents and school, given that the vast majority of the city and school population is Hispanic, he said. "

Except DiNino was a Caucasian lady who spoke English just fine.

"This woman died in prison, away from her family," Barnhardt told the Reading Eagle. "And for what?"

Just stop lying.  County lockup is nothing like prison.


So... She didn't have any mental issues or anything, Doctor?
 
2014-06-17 07:27:09 PM

mainsail: stonelotus: 1. She had no problem being able to afford to keep having kids.
2. Her fines amounted to roughly 36 cents per day over the 15 years she accumulated them.
3. She was halfway through a 48 hour sentence that would have allowed her to walk free and owe nothing of the fines it took her a decade and a half to ruin up.


"What you see is kind of a slice of inner-city life," said lawyer Richard Guida, who handled truancy cases, including DiNino's, as a Reading School District solicitor for more than a decade. "The people home taking care of the children are mothers. Many times, they're overwhelmed, and some of these kids are no angels."

"Language barriers can also be an issue for letters and phone calls between the parents and school, given that the vast majority of the city and school population is Hispanic, he said. "

Except DiNino was a Caucasian lady who spoke English just fine.

"This woman died in prison, away from her family," Barnhardt told the Reading Eagle. "And for what?"

Just stop lying.  County lockup is nothing like prison.

So... She didn't have any mental issues or anything, Doctor?


So now we are just making things up in order to defend her not making sure her kids were in school and failing to pay $2,000 over a 15 year period?
 
2014-06-17 07:28:44 PM

sprgrss: thisisarepeat: sprgrss: FailOut08: sprgrss: Save me the tears about debtors prison.

Take responsibility for your children and make sure they go to school.

This lady has been racking up fines since 1999 at some point in time you have to realize the fines aren't going to be paid and its time to exact punishment in another way.

Except now she's dead and possibly the kids will enter into either state custody and/or the welfare system causing a much bigger problem than a debt for petty infractions. But hey, they showed her.

so now you are saying her incarceration is the proximate cause of her death?  You need to work on your causes and effects better.

If she had dropped dead during a bank robbery they would charge the robbers with murder.  They should charge the DA with murder, the judge, the prosecutor and the truancy officer should be charged with accessory.  Max them all out because they were in positions of authority.

Holy jesus, talk about not knowing cause and effect.


Explain the difference.  Is being thrown in a maximum security facility somehow less stressful than hearing "put the money in the bag"?
 
2014-06-17 07:29:46 PM
Jail time for Truancy.  Our march to the Right is not yet complete.  There's more severe to come.

When did the Jews (that survived) know when to leave Germany?

When is enough, enough?

What kind of people have we allowed to run this place, animals?
 
2014-06-17 07:30:33 PM
Cue all the farkers complaining about how there isn't enough access to free education in this country.

You cant force them to attend free education, even if you charge them money for NOT attending!
 
2014-06-17 07:31:12 PM

HairBolus: Here is her obituary: http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/readingeagle/obituary.aspx?n=eileen- d inino-bierman&pid=171350004
...
She leaves behind her children: sons: Michael Tobias, Ash, Brian and
Charlie, Matthew, Justin DiNino, and Joseph Maisonet; her loving daughter, Erika Tarnoski;
...

Her list of kids is fairly hard to parse. This is what I get organizing them by last name:
Tobias:   Michael
Matthew:  Ash, Brian, Charlie
DiNino:   Justin
Maisonet: Joseph
Tarnoski: Erika


Here is the 2011 obit of her husband Brian  C. Dinino
www.henningerfuneralhome.com
(googlecache)
Brian C. Dinino, 45, of Reading, passed away April 17, 2011, in Hershey Medical Center.
He was the husband of Eileen M. Dinino.
Born in Reading, PA, he was the son of the late Charles P. Dinino Sr. and Susan M. (Orrs) Dinino.
He was the owner and operator of A Touch of Shade in Reading.
He is also survived by sons: Brian, Charles, Matthew and Justin Dinino;


Now I have no idea who her children are and whether the number 7 came from reading her badly written obit.
 
2014-06-17 07:32:11 PM

ReapTheChaos: It's not debtors prison, you pay the fine or serve the jail time. This is common practice anytime a fine is given as a punishment. If you get a speeding ticket and never pay the fine, you will be arrested.


If you can't afford to pay, you should do community service, not go to jail.
 
2014-06-17 07:33:14 PM

thisisarepeat: sprgrss: thisisarepeat: sprgrss: FailOut08: sprgrss: Save me the tears about debtors prison.

Take responsibility for your children and make sure they go to school.

This lady has been racking up fines since 1999 at some point in time you have to realize the fines aren't going to be paid and its time to exact punishment in another way.

Except now she's dead and possibly the kids will enter into either state custody and/or the welfare system causing a much bigger problem than a debt for petty infractions. But hey, they showed her.

so now you are saying her incarceration is the proximate cause of her death?  You need to work on your causes and effects better.

If she had dropped dead during a bank robbery they would charge the robbers with murder.  They should charge the DA with murder, the judge, the prosecutor and the truancy officer should be charged with accessory.  Max them all out because they were in positions of authority.

Holy jesus, talk about not knowing cause and effect.

Explain the difference.  Is being thrown in a maximum security facility somehow less stressful than hearing "put the money in the bag"?


county jail isn't maximum security.  hundreds of millions of people go to county jails throughout the country each year and manage to stave off death brought about by stress.

Just because someone dies in jail doesn't mean the jail had anything to do with the death.
 
2014-06-17 07:33:34 PM

FizixJunkee: If you can't afford to pay, you should do community service, not go to jail.


The kids should be forced to do the community service as well.
 
2014-06-17 07:33:36 PM

sprgrss: mainsail: stonelotus: 1. She had no problem being able to afford to keep having kids.
2. Her fines amounted to roughly 36 cents per day over the 15 years she accumulated them.
3. She was halfway through a 48 hour sentence that would have allowed her to walk free and owe nothing of the fines it took her a decade and a half to ruin up.


"What you see is kind of a slice of inner-city life," said lawyer Richard Guida, who handled truancy cases, including DiNino's, as a Reading School District solicitor for more than a decade. "The people home taking care of the children are mothers. Many times, they're overwhelmed, and some of these kids are no angels."

"Language barriers can also be an issue for letters and phone calls between the parents and school, given that the vast majority of the city and school population is Hispanic, he said. "

Except DiNino was a Caucasian lady who spoke English just fine.

"This woman died in prison, away from her family," Barnhardt told the Reading Eagle. "And for what?"

Just stop lying.  County lockup is nothing like prison.

So... She didn't have any mental issues or anything, Doctor?

So now we are just making things up in order to defend her not making sure her kids were in school and failing to pay $2,000 over a 15 year period?


Making up? No, I was merely wondering how you knew she was totally mentally competent, Doctor.
 
2014-06-17 07:34:07 PM

FizixJunkee: ReapTheChaos: It's not debtors prison, you pay the fine or serve the jail time. This is common practice anytime a fine is given as a punishment. If you get a speeding ticket and never pay the fine, you will be arrested.

If you can't afford to pay, you should do community service, not go to jail.


And if they don't do community service?
 
2014-06-17 07:35:12 PM

mainsail: Making up? No, I was merely wondering how you knew she was totally mentally competent, Doctor.


I assume people are mentally competent until shown else wise.  It's a pretty safe assumption since the vast majority of people are mentally competent.
 
2014-06-17 07:37:01 PM

Marcintosh: Jail time for Truancy.


Have a better idea?

Growing up, most of the kids at my school with discipline problems came from dysfunctional homes where the parents really didn't care.  Sending a letter home once a week to say that little Billy or Sally had an outburst was often a waste of a good postage stamp.

So you can spend a bunch of money trying to get these families into therapy or you can modify their behavior with some tough love.

Or we can bring caning back.  That would end truancy immediately.  Sure, it'd introduce a host of other psychological complications, but at least the kids' butts would be in their seats.
 
2014-06-17 07:37:40 PM

sprgrss: FizixJunkee: ReapTheChaos: It's not debtors prison, you pay the fine or serve the jail time. This is common practice anytime a fine is given as a punishment. If you get a speeding ticket and never pay the fine, you will be arrested.

If you can't afford to pay, you should do community service, not go to jail.

And if they don't do community service?


Sterilization
 
2014-06-17 07:38:27 PM

Marcintosh: When did the Jews (that survived) know when to leave Germany?

When is enough, enough?



So where are you recommending that we all escape to?

And why are doctors so evil?
 
2014-06-17 07:40:22 PM
Debtors prisons should be illegal.
 
2014-06-17 07:41:15 PM

some_beer_drinker: what the fark is a truancy fine? you have to pay money if your kids miss school? how the fark does that even make sense?


Schools get federal money based on the number of students in attendance. When a student misses a day, the school district loses money. The fines are supposed to be a deterrent so parents don't let their kids miss too many days.
 
2014-06-17 07:41:42 PM

sprgrss: thisisarepeat: sprgrss: thisisarepeat: sprgrss: FailOut08: sprgrss: Save me the tears about debtors prison.

Take responsibility for your children and make sure they go to school.

This lady has been racking up fines since 1999 at some point in time you have to realize the fines aren't going to be paid and its time to exact punishment in another way.

Except now she's dead and possibly the kids will enter into either state custody and/or the welfare system causing a much bigger problem than a debt for petty infractions. But hey, they showed her.

so now you are saying her incarceration is the proximate cause of her death?  You need to work on your causes and effects better.

If she had dropped dead during a bank robbery they would charge the robbers with murder.  They should charge the DA with murder, the judge, the prosecutor and the truancy officer should be charged with accessory.  Max them all out because they were in positions of authority.

Holy jesus, talk about not knowing cause and effect.

Explain the difference.  Is being thrown in a maximum security facility somehow less stressful than hearing "put the money in the bag"?

county jail isn't maximum security.  hundreds of millions of people go to county jails throughout the country each year and manage to stave off death brought about by stress.

Just because someone dies in jail doesn't mean the jail had anything to do with the death.


All county jails are maximum security, they have to be because they handle inmates that are of that caliber before they go to trial.  Ever hear of a county jail visit that allows personal contact?

Did the bank robber cause the death of the security guard that dropped dead of a heart attack?  When someone dies in your custody you can expect repercussions, unless you are part of the "justice system" evidently.
 
2014-06-17 07:42:08 PM
Keep voting Republican
 
2014-06-17 07:43:03 PM

WeenerGord: Marcintosh: When did the Jews (that survived) know when to leave Germany?

When is enough, enough?


So where are you recommending that we all escape to?

And why are doctors so evil?


ANd why do birds suddenly appear, every time you are near?
 
2014-06-17 07:43:04 PM

cretinbob: Keep voting Republican


Keep voting anti-incumbent.
 
2014-06-17 07:47:34 PM

thisisarepeat: All county jails are maximum security, they have to be because they handle inmates that are of that caliber before they go to trial.  Ever hear of a county jail visit that allows personal contact?

Did the bank robber cause the death of the security guard that dropped dead of a heart attack?  When someone dies in your custody you can expect repercussions, unless you are part of the "justice system" evidently.


No, no they are not.  I have experience with a multitude of county jails (work related).  It isn't cost effective to treat all county jails as maximum security, sure you have a wing in the jail for those people who belong in a maximum security set up,

The security guard who drops dead due to a heart attack during a bank robbery can be causally related to a violent criminal act.  Going to jail and dying 24 hours in cannot be causally related unless something more is there.

You are grasping at straws in an attempt to argue out of a hole you've dug for yourself.  Either that or you are just trolling.
 
2014-06-17 07:49:14 PM

clarksvegas: Soon as a federal agency picks up on this idea, we can  get some cheap labor to fix the roads...

Don't you dare tell me at least one asshat in DoT hasn't brought it up lately.


I figure we have, at best, five years before companies realize they can charge for internships.

Insurance liability costs, HR administrative work, because we have to shake down who ever has money left in a desperate bid to keep standing....  they'll choose a few of the above reasons and that will be that.
 
2014-06-17 07:50:02 PM

ReapTheChaos: some_beer_drinker: what the fark is a truancy fine? you have to pay money if your kids miss school? how the fark does that even make sense?

Schools get federal money based on the number of students in attendance. When a student misses a day, the school district loses money. The fines are supposed to be a deterrent so parents don't let their kids miss too many days.


That's not why truancy laws are in place.  But keep thinking it's all about the evil corruptions of money.
 
2014-06-17 07:50:07 PM

sprgrss: FailOut08: sprgrss: Save me the tears about debtors prison.

Take responsibility for your children and make sure they go to school.

This lady has been racking up fines since 1999 at some point in time you have to realize the fines aren't going to be paid and its time to exact punishment in another way.

Except now she's dead and possibly the kids will enter into either state custody and/or the welfare system causing a much bigger problem than a debt for petty infractions. But hey, they showed her.

so now you are saying her incarceration is the proximate cause of her death?  You need to work on your causes and effects better.


And you should work on reading comprehension, respectfully. I did not imply that the judge or jail killed her. I'm pointing out that results matter and in this case clearly the result (her death) is not the kind of outcome that anyone wanted. Since they don't know the cause of death it's irresponsible to draw a conclusion until the facts are known. But, if an autopsy shows that her death was in any way attributed to lack of medical care from her incarceration or some other factor related to that, then someone should be held accountable and the process of dealing with these situations needs to be changed. Should she have been accountable? Yes. Is jail the best way to render that? I think not. We have more than enough people in jail for petty and innocuous crimes. The fact that she died is the only reason anyone is paying attention to this.
 
2014-06-17 07:52:37 PM
Where is the love? You know, the folks that feel we failed this woman somehow ?
/not trolling
//really don't care
 
2014-06-17 07:53:29 PM

K.B.O. Winston: I figure we have, at best, five years before companies realize they can charge for internships.


Too late in my area, especially with college kids who are already forced to pay for the experience in tuition / transportation / misc. expenses.  The location charges the school for the experience and the department can pass it on to the kids as fees.
 
2014-06-17 07:53:57 PM

FailOut08: sprgrss: FailOut08: sprgrss: Save me the tears about debtors prison.

Take responsibility for your children and make sure they go to school.

This lady has been racking up fines since 1999 at some point in time you have to realize the fines aren't going to be paid and its time to exact punishment in another way.

Except now she's dead and possibly the kids will enter into either state custody and/or the welfare system causing a much bigger problem than a debt for petty infractions. But hey, they showed her.

so now you are saying her incarceration is the proximate cause of her death?  You need to work on your causes and effects better.

And you should work on reading comprehension, respectfully. I did not imply that the judge or jail killed her. I'm pointing out that results matter and in this case clearly the result (her death) is not the kind of outcome that anyone wanted. Since they don't know the cause of death it's irresponsible to draw a conclusion until the facts are known. But, if an autopsy shows that her death was in any way attributed to lack of medical care from her incarceration or some other factor related to that, then someone should be held accountable and the process of dealing with these situations needs to be changed. Should she have been accountable? Yes. Is jail the best way to render that? I think not. We have more than enough people in jail for petty and innocuous crimes. The fact that she died is the only reason anyone is paying attention to this.


So then you are admitting that your response to me was a non sequitur.
 
2014-06-17 07:59:55 PM
www.thelawinsider.com
"Died, did she?  That's more revenue!"
"County funeral costs?  Revenue!"
"Orphans, eh?  Orphans is revenue!"


I don't know how the wall of greedy, grasping, covetous old sinners that festoon every corporate board, judiciary, LEO farm or alphabet soup agency - that we are obliged to keep in business with our taxes - sleep at night, but I bet it ain't easy with all that peasant blood dripping from the ceiling..
 
2014-06-17 08:01:43 PM

cig-mkr: Where is the love? You know, the folks that feel we failed this woman somehow ?


i.imgur.com
 
2014-06-17 08:07:34 PM

mainsail: stonelotus: 1. She had no problem being able to afford to keep having kids.
2. Her fines amounted to roughly 36 cents per day over the 15 years she accumulated them.
3. She was halfway through a 48 hour sentence that would have allowed her to walk free and owe nothing of the fines it took her a decade and a half to ruin up.


"What you see is kind of a slice of inner-city life," said lawyer Richard Guida, who handled truancy cases, including DiNino's, as a Reading School District solicitor for more than a decade. "The people home taking care of the children are mothers. Many times, they're overwhelmed, and some of these kids are no angels."

"Language barriers can also be an issue for letters and phone calls between the parents and school, given that the vast majority of the city and school population is Hispanic, he said. "

Except DiNino was a Caucasian lady who spoke English just fine.

"This woman died in prison, away from her family," Barnhardt told the Reading Eagle. "And for what?"

Just stop lying.  County lockup is nothing like prison.

So... She didn't have any mental issues or anything, Doctor?


I'm sorry, nurse.  Would that somehow disprove something I said?
 
2014-06-17 08:11:15 PM

stonelotus: Just stop lying.  County lockup is nothing like prison.


Except for the bars, criminals, food, sh*t-and-piss-in-front-of-everybody toilet / sink, recidivists, rapists and general usurious malcontents the occasional hardened felon, yeah, not even close.
 
2014-06-17 08:21:07 PM

HotWingAgenda: quoted Berks County Commissioner Christian Leinbach, (R) , as saying:

"That unfortunately is part of the law in Pennsylvania and I think it is insanity. There has got to be a better way to deal with truancy than putting somebody in prison."

There is, Einstein. They get fined, like $8 at a time. But if you spend a decade and a half refusing to pay those little fines like this lady did, they will arrest you and throw you in jail. Just like with speeding tickets.


So why is Cliven Bundy not in prison?
 
2014-06-17 08:21:23 PM

bunner: stonelotus: Just stop lying.  County lockup is nothing like prison.

Except for the bars, criminals, food, sh*t-and-piss-in-front-of-everybody toilet / sink, recidivists, rapists and general usurious malcontents the occasional hardened felon, yeah, not even close.


you watch way too much television.
 
2014-06-17 08:22:54 PM

ReapTheChaos: "This lady didn't need to be there.  We don't do debtors prisons anymore. That went out 100 years ago." 

It's not debtors prison, you pay the fine or serve the jail time. This is common practice anytime a fine is given as a punishment. If you get a speeding ticket and never pay the fine, you will be arrested.


Except that you can also be 'fined' in the form of 'processing fee.' Let me give an example. I once got a parking ticket for $30. On the ticket it said that if I could get a parking meter attendant to sign that the ticket was in error, the ticket amount would be reduced to $10. Yes, that means that even if it is a result of THEIR error, I owe them $10.
 
2014-06-17 08:25:53 PM
I feel bad for the judge, he now has to decide which of her children will finish serving her sentence.
 
2014-06-17 08:26:52 PM

stonelotus: you watch way too much television.


You make too many broad pronouncements on internet  forums, relevant of nothing other than thinly disguised, baseless arrogance.  We all have our crosses to bear.  Oddly, they never really support anybody's assertions.
 
2014-06-17 08:27:47 PM
I also have no cable hookup, atm, so I don't watch any television at all, internet boy.   :  )
 
2014-06-17 08:29:48 PM
Complicated issue...tragic ending...yadda yadda...but THIS is an outrage:

"What cause DiNino's death had not been determined."

Does anybody proofread anything anymore?
 
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