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2014-06-17 05:58:49 PM
that District Judge Dean R. Patton, who sent her to prison reluctantly, blamed a judicial system that imprisons poor people who can't pay fines for minor offensives such as truancy fines. He said:


That's farking disgusting. So they're bringing back debtor's prisons now, huh?
 
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2014-06-17 06:22:03 PM
The fines themselves are not exorbitant - "$8 for a "judicial computer project"; $60 for Berks County constables; $10 for postage" - but they can accumulate into a big number, the AP said.

So the AP also listened to NPR three weeks ago? ("Guilty and charged")
 
2014-06-17 06:30:36 PM
7 kids?

She probably has already been dead for a while. This I just the first time she was able to relax and enjoy it.
 
2014-06-17 06:30:51 PM
Save me the tears about debtors prison.

Take responsibility for your children and make sure they go to school.

This lady has been racking up fines since 1999 at some point in time you have to realize the fines aren't going to be paid and its time to exact punishment in another way.
 
2014-06-17 06:30:51 PM
quoted Berks County Commissioner Christian Leinbach, (R) , as saying:

"That unfortunately is part of the law in Pennsylvania and I think it is insanity. There has got to be a better way to deal with truancy than putting somebody in prison."


There is, Einstein. They get fined, like $8 at a time. But if you spend a decade and a half refusing to pay those little fines like this lady did, they will arrest you and throw you in jail. Just like with speeding tickets.
 
2014-06-17 06:31:28 PM
"There has got to be a better way to deal with truancy than putting somebody in prison."

There is...lower taxes on the wealthy.
 
2014-06-17 06:31:29 PM
Hold on, folks. This is just going to get worse long before it gets better.
 
2014-06-17 06:31:32 PM
7 kids?

She probably has already been dead for a while. This is just the first time she was able to relax and enjoy it.
 
2014-06-17 06:31:45 PM
Soon as a federal agency picks up on this idea, we can  get some cheap labor to fix the roads...

Don't you dare tell me at least one asshat in DoT hasn't brought it up lately.
 
2014-06-17 06:32:57 PM
That'll teach those truant children
 
2014-06-17 06:33:36 PM
I hate myself for chuckling at that headline.
 
2014-06-17 06:34:39 PM
Jesus goddamn Christ this is farking terrible.
 
2014-06-17 06:35:11 PM
"This lady didn't need to be there.  We don't do debtors prisons anymore. That went out 100 years ago." 

It's not debtors prison, you pay the fine or serve the jail time. This is common practice anytime a fine is given as a punishment. If you get a speeding ticket and never pay the fine, you will be arrested.
 
2014-06-17 06:36:25 PM

gopher321: that District Judge Dean R. Patton, who sent her to prison reluctantly, blamed a judicial system that imprisons poor people who can't pay fines for minor offensives such as truancy fines. He said:


That's farking disgusting. So they're bringing back debtor's prisons now, huh?


Not bringing, brought.
 
2014-06-17 06:37:16 PM

Atomic Spunk: I hate myself for chuckling at that headline.


I laughed at the article.

/probably died of complications of trying to bless us with another benefit to society.
 
2014-06-17 06:39:31 PM

HotWingAgenda: quoted Berks County Commissioner Christian Leinbach, (R) , as saying:

"That unfortunately is part of the law in Pennsylvania and I think it is insanity. There has got to be a better way to deal with truancy than putting somebody in prison."

There is, Einstein. They get fined, like $8 at a time. But if you spend a decade and a half refusing to pay those little fines like this lady did, they will arrest you and throw you in jail. Just like with speeding tickets.


Except, of course, if you can get a couple (or a couple hundred) of your friends to bring their guns and, uhm, contest the fines.

/Never have two Americas been more stark in their differences.
 
2014-06-17 06:40:20 PM

sprgrss: Save me the tears about debtors prison.

Take responsibility for your children and make sure they go to school.

This lady has been racking up fines since 1999 at some point in time you have to realize the fines aren't going to be paid and its time to exact punishment in another way.


Except now she's dead and possibly the kids will enter into either state custody and/or the welfare system causing a much bigger problem than a debt for petty infractions. But hey, they showed her.
 
2014-06-17 06:41:49 PM

ReapTheChaos: "This lady didn't need to be there.  We don't do debtors prisons anymore. That went out 100 years ago." 

It's not debtors prison, you pay the fine or serve the jail time. This is common practice anytime a fine is given as a punishment. If you get a speeding ticket and never pay the fine, you will be arrested.


...yep. And the kid learns his lesson.  Unfortunately, that lesson is approximately the same as if he fell into a gang: Never trust a government entity.
 
2014-06-17 06:41:56 PM
IANAL, but couldn't the judge have suspended the sentence or rerouted it to community service? If he was so reluctant, shouldn't he have used his judicial authority to take action? I realize not all the cards are showing, so there was probably a mitigating factor clogging up the situation.
 
2014-06-17 06:42:33 PM
They should have put the dads in jail instead.
 
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2014-06-17 06:42:36 PM
Who was in charge of making sure the kids got to school while she was in prison?
 
2014-06-17 06:42:48 PM

IlGreven: HotWingAgenda: quoted Berks County Commissioner Christian Leinbach, (R) , as saying:

"That unfortunately is part of the law in Pennsylvania and I think it is insanity. There has got to be a better way to deal with truancy than putting somebody in prison."

There is, Einstein. They get fined, like $8 at a time. But if you spend a decade and a half refusing to pay those little fines like this lady did, they will arrest you and throw you in jail. Just like with speeding tickets.

Except, of course, if you can get a couple (or a couple hundred) of your friends to bring their guns and, uhm, contest the fines.

/Never have two Americas been more stark in their differences.


I still can't believe that wingnut and his vigilantes haven't been thrown in a federal penitentiary yet.
 
2014-06-17 06:43:33 PM

FailOut08: sprgrss: Save me the tears about debtors prison.

Take responsibility for your children and make sure they go to school.

This lady has been racking up fines since 1999 at some point in time you have to realize the fines aren't going to be paid and its time to exact punishment in another way.

Except now she's dead and possibly the kids will enter into either state custody and/or the welfare system causing a much bigger problem than a debt for petty infractions. But hey, they showed her.


so now you are saying her incarceration is the proximate cause of her death?  You need to work on your causes and effects better.
 
2014-06-17 06:43:58 PM

Sin_City_Superhero: "There has got to be a better way to deal with truancy than putting somebody in prison."

There is...lower taxes on the wealthy.


A fire.  Go find one and die in it, please?
 
2014-06-17 06:45:16 PM
third world shiathole, pennsylvania...
 
2014-06-17 06:47:45 PM
She should have thought about that before accumulating such a high fine over almost 15 years of truant children. One time is fine; hell, 9 times is fine. Her kids were fined on approximately 250 times at $8 a fine.
 
2014-06-17 06:50:20 PM

sprgrss: FailOut08: sprgrss: Save me the tears about debtors prison.

Take responsibility for your children and make sure they go to school.

This lady has been racking up fines since 1999 at some point in time you have to realize the fines aren't going to be paid and its time to exact punishment in another way.

Except now she's dead and possibly the kids will enter into either state custody and/or the welfare system causing a much bigger problem than a debt for petty infractions. But hey, they showed her.

so now you are saying her incarceration is the proximate cause of her death?  You need to work on your causes and effects better.


And you should hire a moving company to help you with those heavy goalposts.
 
2014-06-17 06:51:50 PM

iheartscotch: She should have thought about that before accumulating such a high fine over almost 15 years of truant children. One time is fine; hell, 9 times is fine. Her kids were fined on approximately 250 times at $8 a fine.


Eh there are other stories on it that say that it was 90 times over 14 years, interest, court costs, etc made up the balance, also that people have tried to help her and she refused assistance(one of her daughters in law was quoted). And that her 7 children have 4 different fathers.
 
2014-06-17 06:52:16 PM

Combustion: sprgrss: FailOut08: sprgrss: Save me the tears about debtors prison.

Take responsibility for your children and make sure they go to school.

This lady has been racking up fines since 1999 at some point in time you have to realize the fines aren't going to be paid and its time to exact punishment in another way.

Except now she's dead and possibly the kids will enter into either state custody and/or the welfare system causing a much bigger problem than a debt for petty infractions. But hey, they showed her.

so now you are saying her incarceration is the proximate cause of her death?  You need to work on your causes and effects better.

And you should hire a moving company to help you with those heavy goalposts.


I haven't moved a single goalpost.  But thanks for showing off your weak grasp of logic and the english language.
 
2014-06-17 06:53:54 PM

sprgrss: FailOut08: sprgrss: Save me the tears about debtors prison.

Take responsibility for your children and make sure they go to school.

This lady has been racking up fines since 1999 at some point in time you have to realize the fines aren't going to be paid and its time to exact punishment in another way.

Except now she's dead and possibly the kids will enter into either state custody and/or the welfare system causing a much bigger problem than a debt for petty infractions. But hey, they showed her.

so now you are saying her incarceration is the proximate cause of her death?  You need to work on your causes and effects better.


She was unable to attend to her medical needs due to incarceration. The prison failed to monitor and meet her medical needs.  Is it a crime? Probably not. Pennseltucky
 
2014-06-17 06:54:24 PM
Here is her obituary: http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/readingeagle/obituary.aspx?n=eileen- d inino-bierman&pid=171350004

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Eileen M. DiNino, age 55, of Reading, passed away unexpectedly on Saturday June 7, 2014 in the St. Joseph Medica Center, Bern Township, Reading.
She was born in Reading and was the daughter of the late Harry J. and Elizabeth M. (Zalesky) Bierman.
She leaves behind her children: sons: Michael Tobias, Ash, Brian and
Charlie, Matthew, Justin DiNino, and Joseph Maisonet; her loving daughter, Erika Tarnoski;
...

 First off she was probably pronounced dead (not passed away) in the St. Joseph Medical Center.


Her list of kids is fairly hard to parse. This is what I get organizing them by last name:
Tobias:   Michael
Matthew:  Ash, Brian, Charlie
DiNino:   Justin
Maisonet: Joseph
Tarnoski: Erika
 
2014-06-17 06:54:42 PM

sprgrss: FailOut08: sprgrss: Save me the tears about debtors prison.

Take responsibility for your children and make sure they go to school.

This lady has been racking up fines since 1999 at some point in time you have to realize the fines aren't going to be paid and its time to exact punishment in another way.

Except now she's dead and possibly the kids will enter into either state custody and/or the welfare system causing a much bigger problem than a debt for petty infractions. But hey, they showed her.

so now you are saying her incarceration is the proximate cause of her death?  You need to work on your causes and effects better.


If she had dropped dead during a bank robbery they would charge the robbers with murder.  They should charge the DA with murder, the judge, the prosecutor and the truancy officer should be charged with accessory.  Max them all out because they were in positions of authority.
 
2014-06-17 06:54:44 PM
So they either beat her to death for being poor with naughty children, or she committed suicide.

Until they release the cause of death, my money is on the former.

/even if she wasn't beat
//FTP
 
2014-06-17 07:00:02 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: So they either beat her to death for being poor with naughty children, or she committed suicide.

Until they release the cause of death, my money is on the former.

/even if she wasn't beat
//FTP


She probably died of a "previously undiagnosed heart condition" shortly after being forced to inhale some industrial solvent (which had absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the heart failure), or repeatedly headbutted the iron bars or concrete floor while resisting arrest.
 
2014-06-17 07:00:49 PM
Or maybe her uterus fell out.
 
2014-06-17 07:01:04 PM

gopher321: That's farking disgusting. So they're bringing back debtor's prisons now, huh?

 
Sounds as if she had a large number of fines that she had been ignoring for years.


Of course the problem with fines is that they hit the poor the hardest.  So you could level the system by eliminating fines and skipping straight to jail time or community service.  Of course, the poor can least afford to take time off from work, and tend to work more non-traditional schedules (like weekends).  So locking them up, regardless of the time of week, impacts them the hardest.

So I guess the moral to the story is: don't let your kids do stupid things if you're poor.
 
2014-06-17 07:01:10 PM

FailOut08: sprgrss: Save me the tears about debtors prison.

Take responsibility for your children and make sure they go to school.

This lady has been racking up fines since 1999 at some point in time you have to realize the fines aren't going to be paid and its time to exact punishment in another way.

Except now she's dead and possibly the kids will enter into either state custody and/or the welfare system causing a much bigger problem than a debt for petty infractions. But hey, they showed her.


Although, they may already be on welfare.  At her age, they may have already moved out and this is an issue that just wasn't resolved sooner.  But I agree, it solved nothing by locking her up.  It sucks that she had to be there for last hours.

/I'm not blaming her when the likelihood of the truancies were teens being brats.
 
2014-06-17 07:04:01 PM

Dinjiin: gopher321: That's farking disgusting. So they're bringing back debtor's prisons now, huh?

Sounds as if she had a large number of fines that she had been ignoring for years.


Of course the problem with fines is that they hit the poor the hardest.  So you could level the system by eliminating fines and skipping straight to jail time or community service.  Of course, the poor can least afford to take time off from work, and tend to work more non-traditional schedules (like weekends).  So locking them up, regardless of the time of week, impacts them the hardest.

So I guess the moral to the story is: don't let your kids do stupid things if you're poor.


Has anyone figured out why her kids were "truant"?
 
2014-06-17 07:04:59 PM
www.imfdb.org
 
2014-06-17 07:05:31 PM
She got what she had coming, no big loss. But since her wretched offspring don't want to go to school, they should have been put in prison too and sentenced to work 7/12 hour days on a chain gang cleaning only the most disgusting of things when not doing hard labor till they turn 18.

Boo hoo too harsh? It's the limp wrist pansy fluff not dealing with correcting unacceptable behavior mentality that has let little brats spiral out of control to begin with. Your horrible little vermin affect and ruin things for all of us, so if you don't like what others have in mind then step up and be a parent for once in your life or just don't breed. Then others don't have to get involved and show your precious snowflake what punishment is while we do your job.
 
2014-06-17 07:06:38 PM
it's pennsylvania.

good riddance. bring on more jailtime. Hey, once the prisons are empty from legalization of maryjane we need someone to fill the open beds.
 
2014-06-17 07:06:51 PM
what the fark is a truancy fine? you have to pay money if your kids miss school? how the fark does that even make sense?
 
2014-06-17 07:08:26 PM

Sin_City_Superhero: "There has got to be a better way to deal with truancy than putting somebody in prison."

There is...lower taxes on the wealthy.


for sure. if the rich payed less taxes, they could create more jobs, so she could pay her fine...amidoinitright?
 
2014-06-17 07:08:52 PM
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So what did everyone think of the GOT season finale?
 
2014-06-17 07:09:18 PM

thisisarepeat: sprgrss: FailOut08: sprgrss: Save me the tears about debtors prison.

Take responsibility for your children and make sure they go to school.

This lady has been racking up fines since 1999 at some point in time you have to realize the fines aren't going to be paid and its time to exact punishment in another way.

Except now she's dead and possibly the kids will enter into either state custody and/or the welfare system causing a much bigger problem than a debt for petty infractions. But hey, they showed her.

so now you are saying her incarceration is the proximate cause of her death?  You need to work on your causes and effects better.

If she had dropped dead during a bank robbery they would charge the robbers with murder.  They should charge the DA with murder, the judge, the prosecutor and the truancy officer should be charged with accessory.  Max them all out because they were in positions of authority.


Holy jesus, talk about not knowing cause and effect.
 
2014-06-17 07:10:00 PM
Truly sad.,.dying alone away from her loved ones.
 
2014-06-17 07:10:19 PM

stirfrybry: sprgrss: FailOut08: sprgrss: Save me the tears about debtors prison.

Take responsibility for your children and make sure they go to school.

This lady has been racking up fines since 1999 at some point in time you have to realize the fines aren't going to be paid and its time to exact punishment in another way.

Except now she's dead and possibly the kids will enter into either state custody and/or the welfare system causing a much bigger problem than a debt for petty infractions. But hey, they showed her.

so now you are saying her incarceration is the proximate cause of her death?  You need to work on your causes and effects better.

She was unable to attend to her medical needs due to incarceration. The prison failed to monitor and meet her medical needs.  Is it a crime? Probably not. Pennseltucky


So now you are telepathic and know the cause of death and that the jail staff was derelict in their duties?
 
2014-06-17 07:11:20 PM

GreatGlavinsGhost: Dinjiin: gopher321: That's farking disgusting. So they're bringing back debtor's prisons now, huh?

Sounds as if she had a large number of fines that she had been ignoring for years.


Of course the problem with fines is that they hit the poor the hardest.  So you could level the system by eliminating fines and skipping straight to jail time or community service.  Of course, the poor can least afford to take time off from work, and tend to work more non-traditional schedules (like weekends).  So locking them up, regardless of the time of week, impacts them the hardest.

So I guess the moral to the story is: don't let your kids do stupid things if you're poor.

Has anyone figured out why her kids were "truant"?


Because they didn't go to school and weren't excused from not attending school.
 
2014-06-17 07:12:39 PM
I feel like somewhere along the way, if I were too poor to pay the fines, I'd figure out someway to make the kids go to school.  Even if that means going every morning and walk (drag) each of them to the doors personally, sending them to live with other relatives, or getting OCS involved because I obviously cannot manage to get my shiat together and need drastic intervention.
 
2014-06-17 07:12:54 PM

sprgrss: This lady has been racking up fines since 1999 at some point in time you have to realize the fines aren't going to be paid and its time to exact punishment in another way.


$2,000 over 15 years is about $133 a year, or $11 a month.  That's less than 2 packs of menthol light 100s a month to just pay the fines.
 
2014-06-17 07:13:47 PM
A BIG piece of the story is missing: how did she die?
 
2014-06-17 07:14:05 PM

iheartscotch: She should have thought about that before accumulating such a high fine over almost 15 years of truant children. One time is fine; hell, 9 times is fine. Her kids were fined on approximately 250 times at $8 a fine.


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2014-06-17 07:14:44 PM
Somewhere out there, there's a school superintendent faping off furiously to his level of power.

"mmmmmyeah......I can have parents killed if they defy me. Nggghh! I am God! Ngghhhhyyyeaaaaahhhhh!" fapfapfapfapfapfapfapfapfapfapfap
 
2014-06-17 07:15:12 PM

HairBolus: Here is her obituary: http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/readingeagle/obituary.aspx?n=eileen- d inino-bierman&pid=171350004


Eileen M. DiNino, age 55, of Reading, passed away unexpectedly on Saturday June 7, 2014 in the St. Joseph Medica Center, Bern Township, Reading.
She was born in Reading and was the daughter of the late Harry J. and Elizabeth M. (Zalesky) Bierman.
She leaves behind her children: sons: Michael Tobias, Ash, Brian and
Charlie, Matthew, Justin DiNino, and Joseph Maisonet; her loving daughter, Erika Tarnoski;
...
 First off she was probably pronounced dead (not passed away) in the St. Joseph Medical Center.


Her list of kids is fairly hard to parse. This is what I get organizing them by last name:
Tobias:   Michael
Matthew:  Ash, Brian, Charlie
DiNino:   Justin
Maisonet: Joseph
Tarnoski: Erika


Looks kind of like tonya harding in the nineties.
 
Al!
2014-06-17 07:16:55 PM

iheartscotch: She should have thought about that before accumulating such a high fine over almost 15 years of truant children. One time is fine; hell, 9 times is fine. Her kids were fined on approximately 250 times at $8 a fine.


I don't understand the system, so someone please help me.  Are fines levied for every case of missed school?  That seems a bit ridiculous.  As for the 250x: with 7 kids over 15 years that amounts to barely more than 2 absences per year per child.  I know I regularly missed 2-5 days of school each year, with funerals and illnesses and everything else that goes on, and I never deliberately skipped school.  I don't know what would have gone down if my family was fined for every day of school that we missed, but we were poor as hell and there were 7 of us kids, so it likely would have gone something like this story.
 
2014-06-17 07:17:01 PM
1. She had no problem being able to afford to keep having kids.
2. Her fines amounted to roughly 36 cents per day over the 15 years she accumulated them.
3. She was halfway through a 48 hour sentence that would have allowed her to walk free and owe nothing of the fines it took her a decade and a half to ruin up.


"What you see is kind of a slice of inner-city life," said lawyer Richard Guida, who handled truancy cases, including DiNino's, as a Reading School District solicitor for more than a decade. "The people home taking care of the children are mothers. Many times, they're overwhelmed, and some of these kids are no angels."

"Language barriers can also be an issue for letters and phone calls between the parents and school, given that the vast majority of the city and school population is Hispanic, he said. "

Except DiNino was a Caucasian lady who spoke English just fine.

"This woman died in prison, away from her family," Barnhardt told the Reading Eagle. "And for what?"

Just stop lying.  County lockup is nothing like prison.
 
2014-06-17 07:17:52 PM
FTFA: $8 for a "judicial computer project"; $60 for Berks County constables; $10 for postage"  - but they can accumulate into a big number, the AP said.

Jebus Cripes, where the fark do they buy their stamps?
 
2014-06-17 07:18:31 PM

gadian: I feel like somewhere along the way, if I were too poor to pay the fines, I'd figure out someway to make the kids go to school.  Even if that means going every morning and walk (drag) each of them to the doors personally, sending them to live with other relatives, or getting OCS involved because I obviously cannot manage to get my shiat together and need drastic intervention.


You are assuming that she cared if the kids went to school to any extent other than the fines that landed on her.
 
2014-06-17 07:19:28 PM

Filth Paste: FTFA: $8 for a "judicial computer project"; $60 for Berks County constables; $10 for postage"  - but they can accumulate into a big number, the AP said.

Jebus Cripes, where the fark do they buy their stamps?


the letters probably have to be sent certified.
 
2014-06-17 07:20:14 PM
Al!:  I know I regularly missed 2-5 days of school each year, with funerals and illnesses and everything else that goes on

Yeah, illnesses or other family business like a funeral isn't "truancy" because it's usually excused.
 
2014-06-17 07:20:18 PM

FailOut08: Except now she's dead and possibly the kids will enter into either state custody and/or the welfare system causing a much bigger problem than a debt for petty infractions. But hey, they showed her.



Did it not even occur to you that the FATHER will provide for them?

Of course not
 
2014-06-17 07:24:43 PM

stonelotus: 1. She had no problem being able to afford to keep having kids.
2. Her fines amounted to roughly 36 cents per day over the 15 years she accumulated them.
3. She was halfway through a 48 hour sentence that would have allowed her to walk free and owe nothing of the fines it took her a decade and a half to ruin up.


"What you see is kind of a slice of inner-city life," said lawyer Richard Guida, who handled truancy cases, including DiNino's, as a Reading School District solicitor for more than a decade. "The people home taking care of the children are mothers. Many times, they're overwhelmed, and some of these kids are no angels."

"Language barriers can also be an issue for letters and phone calls between the parents and school, given that the vast majority of the city and school population is Hispanic, he said. "

Except DiNino was a Caucasian lady who spoke English just fine.

"This woman died in prison, away from her family," Barnhardt told the Reading Eagle. "And for what?"

Just stop lying.  County lockup is nothing like prison.


So... She didn't have any mental issues or anything, Doctor?
 
2014-06-17 07:27:09 PM

mainsail: stonelotus: 1. She had no problem being able to afford to keep having kids.
2. Her fines amounted to roughly 36 cents per day over the 15 years she accumulated them.
3. She was halfway through a 48 hour sentence that would have allowed her to walk free and owe nothing of the fines it took her a decade and a half to ruin up.


"What you see is kind of a slice of inner-city life," said lawyer Richard Guida, who handled truancy cases, including DiNino's, as a Reading School District solicitor for more than a decade. "The people home taking care of the children are mothers. Many times, they're overwhelmed, and some of these kids are no angels."

"Language barriers can also be an issue for letters and phone calls between the parents and school, given that the vast majority of the city and school population is Hispanic, he said. "

Except DiNino was a Caucasian lady who spoke English just fine.

"This woman died in prison, away from her family," Barnhardt told the Reading Eagle. "And for what?"

Just stop lying.  County lockup is nothing like prison.

So... She didn't have any mental issues or anything, Doctor?


So now we are just making things up in order to defend her not making sure her kids were in school and failing to pay $2,000 over a 15 year period?
 
2014-06-17 07:28:44 PM

sprgrss: thisisarepeat: sprgrss: FailOut08: sprgrss: Save me the tears about debtors prison.

Take responsibility for your children and make sure they go to school.

This lady has been racking up fines since 1999 at some point in time you have to realize the fines aren't going to be paid and its time to exact punishment in another way.

Except now she's dead and possibly the kids will enter into either state custody and/or the welfare system causing a much bigger problem than a debt for petty infractions. But hey, they showed her.

so now you are saying her incarceration is the proximate cause of her death?  You need to work on your causes and effects better.

If she had dropped dead during a bank robbery they would charge the robbers with murder.  They should charge the DA with murder, the judge, the prosecutor and the truancy officer should be charged with accessory.  Max them all out because they were in positions of authority.

Holy jesus, talk about not knowing cause and effect.


Explain the difference.  Is being thrown in a maximum security facility somehow less stressful than hearing "put the money in the bag"?
 
2014-06-17 07:29:46 PM
Jail time for Truancy.  Our march to the Right is not yet complete.  There's more severe to come.

When did the Jews (that survived) know when to leave Germany?

When is enough, enough?

What kind of people have we allowed to run this place, animals?
 
2014-06-17 07:30:33 PM
Cue all the farkers complaining about how there isn't enough access to free education in this country.

You cant force them to attend free education, even if you charge them money for NOT attending!
 
2014-06-17 07:31:12 PM

HairBolus: Here is her obituary: http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/readingeagle/obituary.aspx?n=eileen- d inino-bierman&pid=171350004
...
She leaves behind her children: sons: Michael Tobias, Ash, Brian and
Charlie, Matthew, Justin DiNino, and Joseph Maisonet; her loving daughter, Erika Tarnoski;
...

Her list of kids is fairly hard to parse. This is what I get organizing them by last name:
Tobias:   Michael
Matthew:  Ash, Brian, Charlie
DiNino:   Justin
Maisonet: Joseph
Tarnoski: Erika


Here is the 2011 obit of her husband Brian  C. Dinino
www.henningerfuneralhome.com
(googlecache)
Brian C. Dinino, 45, of Reading, passed away April 17, 2011, in Hershey Medical Center.
He was the husband of Eileen M. Dinino.
Born in Reading, PA, he was the son of the late Charles P. Dinino Sr. and Susan M. (Orrs) Dinino.
He was the owner and operator of A Touch of Shade in Reading.
He is also survived by sons: Brian, Charles, Matthew and Justin Dinino;


Now I have no idea who her children are and whether the number 7 came from reading her badly written obit.
 
2014-06-17 07:32:11 PM

ReapTheChaos: It's not debtors prison, you pay the fine or serve the jail time. This is common practice anytime a fine is given as a punishment. If you get a speeding ticket and never pay the fine, you will be arrested.


If you can't afford to pay, you should do community service, not go to jail.
 
2014-06-17 07:33:14 PM

thisisarepeat: sprgrss: thisisarepeat: sprgrss: FailOut08: sprgrss: Save me the tears about debtors prison.

Take responsibility for your children and make sure they go to school.

This lady has been racking up fines since 1999 at some point in time you have to realize the fines aren't going to be paid and its time to exact punishment in another way.

Except now she's dead and possibly the kids will enter into either state custody and/or the welfare system causing a much bigger problem than a debt for petty infractions. But hey, they showed her.

so now you are saying her incarceration is the proximate cause of her death?  You need to work on your causes and effects better.

If she had dropped dead during a bank robbery they would charge the robbers with murder.  They should charge the DA with murder, the judge, the prosecutor and the truancy officer should be charged with accessory.  Max them all out because they were in positions of authority.

Holy jesus, talk about not knowing cause and effect.

Explain the difference.  Is being thrown in a maximum security facility somehow less stressful than hearing "put the money in the bag"?


county jail isn't maximum security.  hundreds of millions of people go to county jails throughout the country each year and manage to stave off death brought about by stress.

Just because someone dies in jail doesn't mean the jail had anything to do with the death.
 
2014-06-17 07:33:34 PM

FizixJunkee: If you can't afford to pay, you should do community service, not go to jail.


The kids should be forced to do the community service as well.
 
2014-06-17 07:33:36 PM

sprgrss: mainsail: stonelotus: 1. She had no problem being able to afford to keep having kids.
2. Her fines amounted to roughly 36 cents per day over the 15 years she accumulated them.
3. She was halfway through a 48 hour sentence that would have allowed her to walk free and owe nothing of the fines it took her a decade and a half to ruin up.


"What you see is kind of a slice of inner-city life," said lawyer Richard Guida, who handled truancy cases, including DiNino's, as a Reading School District solicitor for more than a decade. "The people home taking care of the children are mothers. Many times, they're overwhelmed, and some of these kids are no angels."

"Language barriers can also be an issue for letters and phone calls between the parents and school, given that the vast majority of the city and school population is Hispanic, he said. "

Except DiNino was a Caucasian lady who spoke English just fine.

"This woman died in prison, away from her family," Barnhardt told the Reading Eagle. "And for what?"

Just stop lying.  County lockup is nothing like prison.

So... She didn't have any mental issues or anything, Doctor?

So now we are just making things up in order to defend her not making sure her kids were in school and failing to pay $2,000 over a 15 year period?


Making up? No, I was merely wondering how you knew she was totally mentally competent, Doctor.
 
2014-06-17 07:34:07 PM

FizixJunkee: ReapTheChaos: It's not debtors prison, you pay the fine or serve the jail time. This is common practice anytime a fine is given as a punishment. If you get a speeding ticket and never pay the fine, you will be arrested.

If you can't afford to pay, you should do community service, not go to jail.


And if they don't do community service?
 
2014-06-17 07:35:12 PM

mainsail: Making up? No, I was merely wondering how you knew she was totally mentally competent, Doctor.


I assume people are mentally competent until shown else wise.  It's a pretty safe assumption since the vast majority of people are mentally competent.
 
2014-06-17 07:37:01 PM

Marcintosh: Jail time for Truancy.


Have a better idea?

Growing up, most of the kids at my school with discipline problems came from dysfunctional homes where the parents really didn't care.  Sending a letter home once a week to say that little Billy or Sally had an outburst was often a waste of a good postage stamp.

So you can spend a bunch of money trying to get these families into therapy or you can modify their behavior with some tough love.

Or we can bring caning back.  That would end truancy immediately.  Sure, it'd introduce a host of other psychological complications, but at least the kids' butts would be in their seats.
 
2014-06-17 07:37:40 PM

sprgrss: FizixJunkee: ReapTheChaos: It's not debtors prison, you pay the fine or serve the jail time. This is common practice anytime a fine is given as a punishment. If you get a speeding ticket and never pay the fine, you will be arrested.

If you can't afford to pay, you should do community service, not go to jail.

And if they don't do community service?


Sterilization
 
2014-06-17 07:38:27 PM

Marcintosh: When did the Jews (that survived) know when to leave Germany?

When is enough, enough?



So where are you recommending that we all escape to?

And why are doctors so evil?
 
2014-06-17 07:40:22 PM
Debtors prisons should be illegal.
 
2014-06-17 07:41:15 PM

some_beer_drinker: what the fark is a truancy fine? you have to pay money if your kids miss school? how the fark does that even make sense?


Schools get federal money based on the number of students in attendance. When a student misses a day, the school district loses money. The fines are supposed to be a deterrent so parents don't let their kids miss too many days.
 
2014-06-17 07:41:42 PM

sprgrss: thisisarepeat: sprgrss: thisisarepeat: sprgrss: FailOut08: sprgrss: Save me the tears about debtors prison.

Take responsibility for your children and make sure they go to school.

This lady has been racking up fines since 1999 at some point in time you have to realize the fines aren't going to be paid and its time to exact punishment in another way.

Except now she's dead and possibly the kids will enter into either state custody and/or the welfare system causing a much bigger problem than a debt for petty infractions. But hey, they showed her.

so now you are saying her incarceration is the proximate cause of her death?  You need to work on your causes and effects better.

If she had dropped dead during a bank robbery they would charge the robbers with murder.  They should charge the DA with murder, the judge, the prosecutor and the truancy officer should be charged with accessory.  Max them all out because they were in positions of authority.

Holy jesus, talk about not knowing cause and effect.

Explain the difference.  Is being thrown in a maximum security facility somehow less stressful than hearing "put the money in the bag"?

county jail isn't maximum security.  hundreds of millions of people go to county jails throughout the country each year and manage to stave off death brought about by stress.

Just because someone dies in jail doesn't mean the jail had anything to do with the death.


All county jails are maximum security, they have to be because they handle inmates that are of that caliber before they go to trial.  Ever hear of a county jail visit that allows personal contact?

Did the bank robber cause the death of the security guard that dropped dead of a heart attack?  When someone dies in your custody you can expect repercussions, unless you are part of the "justice system" evidently.
 
2014-06-17 07:42:08 PM
Keep voting Republican
 
2014-06-17 07:43:03 PM

WeenerGord: Marcintosh: When did the Jews (that survived) know when to leave Germany?

When is enough, enough?


So where are you recommending that we all escape to?

And why are doctors so evil?


ANd why do birds suddenly appear, every time you are near?
 
2014-06-17 07:43:04 PM

cretinbob: Keep voting Republican


Keep voting anti-incumbent.
 
2014-06-17 07:47:34 PM

thisisarepeat: All county jails are maximum security, they have to be because they handle inmates that are of that caliber before they go to trial.  Ever hear of a county jail visit that allows personal contact?

Did the bank robber cause the death of the security guard that dropped dead of a heart attack?  When someone dies in your custody you can expect repercussions, unless you are part of the "justice system" evidently.


No, no they are not.  I have experience with a multitude of county jails (work related).  It isn't cost effective to treat all county jails as maximum security, sure you have a wing in the jail for those people who belong in a maximum security set up,

The security guard who drops dead due to a heart attack during a bank robbery can be causally related to a violent criminal act.  Going to jail and dying 24 hours in cannot be causally related unless something more is there.

You are grasping at straws in an attempt to argue out of a hole you've dug for yourself.  Either that or you are just trolling.
 
2014-06-17 07:49:14 PM

clarksvegas: Soon as a federal agency picks up on this idea, we can  get some cheap labor to fix the roads...

Don't you dare tell me at least one asshat in DoT hasn't brought it up lately.


I figure we have, at best, five years before companies realize they can charge for internships.

Insurance liability costs, HR administrative work, because we have to shake down who ever has money left in a desperate bid to keep standing....  they'll choose a few of the above reasons and that will be that.
 
2014-06-17 07:50:02 PM

ReapTheChaos: some_beer_drinker: what the fark is a truancy fine? you have to pay money if your kids miss school? how the fark does that even make sense?

Schools get federal money based on the number of students in attendance. When a student misses a day, the school district loses money. The fines are supposed to be a deterrent so parents don't let their kids miss too many days.


That's not why truancy laws are in place.  But keep thinking it's all about the evil corruptions of money.
 
2014-06-17 07:50:07 PM

sprgrss: FailOut08: sprgrss: Save me the tears about debtors prison.

Take responsibility for your children and make sure they go to school.

This lady has been racking up fines since 1999 at some point in time you have to realize the fines aren't going to be paid and its time to exact punishment in another way.

Except now she's dead and possibly the kids will enter into either state custody and/or the welfare system causing a much bigger problem than a debt for petty infractions. But hey, they showed her.

so now you are saying her incarceration is the proximate cause of her death?  You need to work on your causes and effects better.


And you should work on reading comprehension, respectfully. I did not imply that the judge or jail killed her. I'm pointing out that results matter and in this case clearly the result (her death) is not the kind of outcome that anyone wanted. Since they don't know the cause of death it's irresponsible to draw a conclusion until the facts are known. But, if an autopsy shows that her death was in any way attributed to lack of medical care from her incarceration or some other factor related to that, then someone should be held accountable and the process of dealing with these situations needs to be changed. Should she have been accountable? Yes. Is jail the best way to render that? I think not. We have more than enough people in jail for petty and innocuous crimes. The fact that she died is the only reason anyone is paying attention to this.
 
2014-06-17 07:52:37 PM
Where is the love? You know, the folks that feel we failed this woman somehow ?
/not trolling
//really don't care
 
2014-06-17 07:53:29 PM

K.B.O. Winston: I figure we have, at best, five years before companies realize they can charge for internships.


Too late in my area, especially with college kids who are already forced to pay for the experience in tuition / transportation / misc. expenses.  The location charges the school for the experience and the department can pass it on to the kids as fees.
 
2014-06-17 07:53:57 PM

FailOut08: sprgrss: FailOut08: sprgrss: Save me the tears about debtors prison.

Take responsibility for your children and make sure they go to school.

This lady has been racking up fines since 1999 at some point in time you have to realize the fines aren't going to be paid and its time to exact punishment in another way.

Except now she's dead and possibly the kids will enter into either state custody and/or the welfare system causing a much bigger problem than a debt for petty infractions. But hey, they showed her.

so now you are saying her incarceration is the proximate cause of her death?  You need to work on your causes and effects better.

And you should work on reading comprehension, respectfully. I did not imply that the judge or jail killed her. I'm pointing out that results matter and in this case clearly the result (her death) is not the kind of outcome that anyone wanted. Since they don't know the cause of death it's irresponsible to draw a conclusion until the facts are known. But, if an autopsy shows that her death was in any way attributed to lack of medical care from her incarceration or some other factor related to that, then someone should be held accountable and the process of dealing with these situations needs to be changed. Should she have been accountable? Yes. Is jail the best way to render that? I think not. We have more than enough people in jail for petty and innocuous crimes. The fact that she died is the only reason anyone is paying attention to this.


So then you are admitting that your response to me was a non sequitur.
 
2014-06-17 07:59:55 PM
www.thelawinsider.com
"Died, did she?  That's more revenue!"
"County funeral costs?  Revenue!"
"Orphans, eh?  Orphans is revenue!"


I don't know how the wall of greedy, grasping, covetous old sinners that festoon every corporate board, judiciary, LEO farm or alphabet soup agency - that we are obliged to keep in business with our taxes - sleep at night, but I bet it ain't easy with all that peasant blood dripping from the ceiling..
 
2014-06-17 08:01:43 PM

cig-mkr: Where is the love? You know, the folks that feel we failed this woman somehow ?


i.imgur.com
 
2014-06-17 08:07:34 PM

mainsail: stonelotus: 1. She had no problem being able to afford to keep having kids.
2. Her fines amounted to roughly 36 cents per day over the 15 years she accumulated them.
3. She was halfway through a 48 hour sentence that would have allowed her to walk free and owe nothing of the fines it took her a decade and a half to ruin up.


"What you see is kind of a slice of inner-city life," said lawyer Richard Guida, who handled truancy cases, including DiNino's, as a Reading School District solicitor for more than a decade. "The people home taking care of the children are mothers. Many times, they're overwhelmed, and some of these kids are no angels."

"Language barriers can also be an issue for letters and phone calls between the parents and school, given that the vast majority of the city and school population is Hispanic, he said. "

Except DiNino was a Caucasian lady who spoke English just fine.

"This woman died in prison, away from her family," Barnhardt told the Reading Eagle. "And for what?"

Just stop lying.  County lockup is nothing like prison.

So... She didn't have any mental issues or anything, Doctor?


I'm sorry, nurse.  Would that somehow disprove something I said?
 
2014-06-17 08:11:15 PM

stonelotus: Just stop lying.  County lockup is nothing like prison.


Except for the bars, criminals, food, sh*t-and-piss-in-front-of-everybody toilet / sink, recidivists, rapists and general usurious malcontents the occasional hardened felon, yeah, not even close.
 
2014-06-17 08:21:07 PM

HotWingAgenda: quoted Berks County Commissioner Christian Leinbach, (R) , as saying:

"That unfortunately is part of the law in Pennsylvania and I think it is insanity. There has got to be a better way to deal with truancy than putting somebody in prison."

There is, Einstein. They get fined, like $8 at a time. But if you spend a decade and a half refusing to pay those little fines like this lady did, they will arrest you and throw you in jail. Just like with speeding tickets.


So why is Cliven Bundy not in prison?
 
2014-06-17 08:21:23 PM

bunner: stonelotus: Just stop lying.  County lockup is nothing like prison.

Except for the bars, criminals, food, sh*t-and-piss-in-front-of-everybody toilet / sink, recidivists, rapists and general usurious malcontents the occasional hardened felon, yeah, not even close.


you watch way too much television.
 
2014-06-17 08:22:54 PM

ReapTheChaos: "This lady didn't need to be there.  We don't do debtors prisons anymore. That went out 100 years ago." 

It's not debtors prison, you pay the fine or serve the jail time. This is common practice anytime a fine is given as a punishment. If you get a speeding ticket and never pay the fine, you will be arrested.


Except that you can also be 'fined' in the form of 'processing fee.' Let me give an example. I once got a parking ticket for $30. On the ticket it said that if I could get a parking meter attendant to sign that the ticket was in error, the ticket amount would be reduced to $10. Yes, that means that even if it is a result of THEIR error, I owe them $10.
 
2014-06-17 08:25:53 PM
I feel bad for the judge, he now has to decide which of her children will finish serving her sentence.
 
2014-06-17 08:26:52 PM

stonelotus: you watch way too much television.


You make too many broad pronouncements on internet  forums, relevant of nothing other than thinly disguised, baseless arrogance.  We all have our crosses to bear.  Oddly, they never really support anybody's assertions.
 
2014-06-17 08:27:47 PM
I also have no cable hookup, atm, so I don't watch any television at all, internet boy.   :  )
 
2014-06-17 08:29:48 PM
Complicated issue...tragic ending...yadda yadda...but THIS is an outrage:

"What cause DiNino's death had not been determined."

Does anybody proofread anything anymore?
 
Al!
2014-06-17 08:30:22 PM

mrmopar5287: Al!:  I know I regularly missed 2-5 days of school each year, with funerals and illnesses and everything else that goes on

Yeah, illnesses or other family business like a funeral isn't "truancy" because it's usually excused.


So if an excuse goes undelivered it would be truancy?  Or if an excuse were never written or vocalised?  What exactly constitutes an "excused" absence?  And how are the fines levied?  Do they send you certified letters?  Phonecalls?  Do they call the kid out of class to ask them wtf?  I am having difficulty understanding this, but I went to school in NY, where we also have attendence issues, but we don't throw people in jail or fine them over it.
 
2014-06-17 08:32:48 PM

Al!: mrmopar5287: Al!:  I know I regularly missed 2-5 days of school each year, with funerals and illnesses and everything else that goes on

Yeah, illnesses or other family business like a funeral isn't "truancy" because it's usually excused.

So if an excuse goes undelivered it would be truancy?  Or if an excuse were never written or vocalised?  What exactly constitutes an "excused" absence?  And how are the fines levied?  Do they send you certified letters?  Phonecalls?  Do they call the kid out of class to ask them wtf?  I am having difficulty understanding this, but I went to school in NY, where we also have attendence issues, but we don't throw people in jail or fine them over it.


We have due process in this country.  The parents can contest the truancy charges.  These weren't summary fines.  These were in fact instances in which her children were found to be truant.
 
2014-06-17 08:36:20 PM

sprgrss: We have due process in this country.


And election$!  And, and, lawyer$ and bail bond$men and.. Oddly, it's gotten us precisely here.
 
2014-06-17 08:37:30 PM
I had no idea there were still truancy laws. Being Pennsylvania, I guess they have these laws to create revenue. They could care less about education.
 
2014-06-17 08:41:59 PM

mrmopar5287: sprgrss: This lady has been racking up fines since 1999 at some point in time you have to realize the fines aren't going to be paid and its time to exact punishment in another way.

$2,000 over 15 years is about $133 a year, or $11 a month.  That's less than 2 packs of menthol light 100s a month to just pay the fines.


White people don't smoke those. But they do call Sean Hannity and wait for the gunmen to arrive and defend their house. She didn't, and now she has paid with her life. A fair trade. I love you Nancy.
 
2014-06-17 08:51:43 PM

Abaddon The Despoiler: She got what she had coming, no big loss. But since her wretched offspring don't want to go to school, they should have been put in prison too and sentenced to work 7/12 hour days on a chain gang cleaning only the most disgusting of things when not doing hard labor till they turn 18.

Boo hoo too harsh? It's the limp wrist pansy fluff not dealing with correcting unacceptable behavior mentality that has let little brats spiral out of control to begin with. Your horrible little vermin affect and ruin things for all of us, so if you don't like what others have in mind then step up and be a parent for once in your life or just don't breed. Then others don't have to get involved and show your precious snowflake what punishment is while we do your job.


How the hell are you typing? You have no arms.
/Go back to the Eye of Chaos Failbaddon
 
2014-06-17 08:54:06 PM
If this woman had been shot to pieces in a drive by, orphaning her children, this board would be calling for blood.

Were it due to police brutality, 70 / 30, falling towards warranted outrage.

But she died in a debtor's gaol.  Dickensian, at best.  She owed somebody in Authority™ money, so people are falling over themselves to dismiss it.

I'm gonna go take a bath, now.
 
2014-06-17 09:00:41 PM
Perhaps if she spent more time raising her kids and less time cranking them out this whole mess could have been avoided.
 
2014-06-17 09:02:03 PM

sprgrss: FizixJunkee: ReapTheChaos: It's not debtors prison, you pay the fine or serve the jail time. This is common practice anytime a fine is given as a punishment. If you get a speeding ticket and never pay the fine, you will be arrested.

If you can't afford to pay, you should do community service, not go to jail.

And if they don't do community service?


THEN you send them to jail - not for failure to pay a fine, but for violating the terms of your probation.
 
2014-06-17 09:04:01 PM

ReapTheChaos: some_beer_drinker: what the fark is a truancy fine? you have to pay money if your kids miss school? how the fark does that even make sense?

Schools get federal money based on the number of students in attendance. When a student misses a day, the school district loses money. The fines are supposed to be a deterrent so parents don't let their kids miss too many days.


y'all should move to canada. i have never heard such a stupid thing. plus, we have milk in bags. and dounuts
 
2014-06-17 09:05:22 PM

gopher321: that District Judge Dean R. Patton, who sent her to prison reluctantly, blamed a judicial system that imprisons poor people who can't pay fines for minor offensives such as truancy fines. He said:


That's farking disgusting. So they're bringing back debtor's prisons now, huh?


It seems like she had quite a number of fines.  How about actually getting her kids to school???

Dinjiin: Sounds as if she had a large number of fines that she had been ignoring for years.


Of course the problem with fines is that they hit the poor the hardest. So you could level the system by eliminating fines and skipping straight to jail time or community service. Of course, the poor can least afford to take time off from work, and tend to work more non-traditional schedules (like weekends). So locking them up, regardless of the time of week, impacts them the hardest.

So I guess the moral to the story is: don't let your kids do stupid things if you're poor.


Yeah, I would like to see fines abolished as punishment other than for financial misconduct.  Community service is the way to go.

Filth Paste: FTFA: $8 for a "judicial computer project"; $60 for Berks County constables; $10 for postage" - but they can accumulate into a big number, the AP said.

Jebus Cripes, where the fark do they buy their stamps?


That was probably something like a certified/return receipt letter or two.
 
2014-06-17 09:05:45 PM

sprgrss: FailOut08: sprgrss: Save me the tears about debtors prison.

Take responsibility for your children and make sure they go to school.

This lady has been racking up fines since 1999 at some point in time you have to realize the fines aren't going to be paid and its time to exact punishment in another way.

Except now she's dead and possibly the kids will enter into either state custody and/or the welfare system causing a much bigger problem than a debt for petty infractions. But hey, they showed her.

so now you are saying her incarceration is the proximate cause of her death?  You need to work on your causes and effects better.


It's a tough situation.  If you have lots of kids does this mean you're immune from prison?
 
2014-06-17 09:09:03 PM

sprgrss: mainsail: Making up? No, I was merely wondering how you knew she was totally mentally competent, Doctor.

I assume people are mentally competent until shown else wise.  It's a pretty safe assumption since the vast majority of people are mentally competent.


Oh, of course, Doctor.

http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2014/4/8/mental-illness-prison. h tml
 
2014-06-17 09:10:50 PM

thisisarepeat: Keep voting anti-incumbent.


win primary, go into hiding
 
2014-06-17 09:11:03 PM

stonelotus: mainsail: stonelotus: 1. She had no problem being able to afford to keep having kids.
2. Her fines amounted to roughly 36 cents per day over the 15 years she accumulated them.
3. She was halfway through a 48 hour sentence that would have allowed her to walk free and owe nothing of the fines it took her a decade and a half to ruin up.


"What you see is kind of a slice of inner-city life," said lawyer Richard Guida, who handled truancy cases, including DiNino's, as a Reading School District solicitor for more than a decade. "The people home taking care of the children are mothers. Many times, they're overwhelmed, and some of these kids are no angels."

"Language barriers can also be an issue for letters and phone calls between the parents and school, given that the vast majority of the city and school population is Hispanic, he said. "

Except DiNino was a Caucasian lady who spoke English just fine.

"This woman died in prison, away from her family," Barnhardt told the Reading Eagle. "And for what?"

Just stop lying.  County lockup is nothing like prison.

So... She didn't have any mental issues or anything, Doctor?

I'm sorry, nurse.  Would that somehow disprove something I said?


It may be an explanation for her behavior, but of course you have her case history to hand.
 
Al!
2014-06-17 09:11:27 PM

sprgrss: Al!: mrmopar5287: Al!:  I know I regularly missed 2-5 days of school each year, with funerals and illnesses and everything else that goes on

Yeah, illnesses or other family business like a funeral isn't "truancy" because it's usually excused.

So if an excuse goes undelivered it would be truancy?  Or if an excuse were never written or vocalised?  What exactly constitutes an "excused" absence?  And how are the fines levied?  Do they send you certified letters?  Phonecalls?  Do they call the kid out of class to ask them wtf?  I am having difficulty understanding this, but I went to school in NY, where we also have attendence issues, but we don't throw people in jail or fine them over it.

We have due process in this country.  The parents can contest the truancy charges.  These weren't summary fines.  These were in fact instances in which her children were found to be truant.


So the process is seamless and fines are levied only to the most heinous offenders, and then only by way of a majority vote, ala SCOTUS?
 
2014-06-17 09:19:35 PM

HairBolus: Now I have no idea who her children are and whether the number 7 came from reading her badly written obit.


Aha, she had 8 childrenhttp://www2.readingeagle.com/article.aspx?id=535633
[Mike] Tobias [28] said he has seven siblings: Erica, 36; Ash, 24; Brian, 21; twins Charlie and Matthew, 17; Justin, 16; and Joseph, 12. Tobias' stepfather died of complications of hepatitis in 2011.

That article also says:

Investigators are also trying to determine if DiNino's death might have been precipitated by the prison's failure to administer her daily medications for high blood pressure, anxiety and bipolar disorder.

From this source: http://articles.mcall.com/2014-06-11/news/mc-d-police-truancy-jail-de a th-20140611_1_truancy-reading-woman-2-day-sentence
Eileen DiNino, 55, of the 400 block of N. 14th St., was found dead Saturday afternoon as jail staff checked inmates' blood pressure, state police at Reading said in a news release.

Is checking blood pressure a normal procedure done to all inmates, say every 6 hours, or is it special treatment given to inmates that medicine is withheld from?
 
2014-06-17 09:21:57 PM

HairBolus: Is checking blood pressure a normal procedure done to all inmates, say every 6 hours, or is it special treatment given to inmates that medicine is withheld from?


smells like bullshiat to me. I think this is someone trying to cover their ass.
 
2014-06-17 09:35:51 PM

bunner: I also have no cable hookup, atm, so I don't watch any television at all, internet boy.   :  )


"internet boy"?  better get me to the burn ward, stat!

no need to be bitter because your draconian fantasies don't match up to reality.

enjoy your bath, bubbles.
 
2014-06-17 09:40:29 PM

cretinbob: thisisarepeat: Keep voting anti-incumbent.

win primary, go into hiding


That would be soooo much better than having legislators present and further farking this country into the third world.
 
2014-06-17 09:52:15 PM

Dinjiin: Marcintosh: Jail time for Truancy.

Have a better idea?

Growing up, most of the kids at my school with discipline problems came from dysfunctional homes where the parents really didn't care.  Sending a letter home once a week to say that little Billy or Sally had an outburst was often a waste of a good postage stamp.
So you can spend a bunch of money trying to get these families into therapy or you can modify their behavior with some tough love.
Or we can bring caning back.  That would end truancy immediately.  Sure, it'd introduce a host of other psychological complications, but at least the kids' butts would be in their seats.



Yeah, I do have a better idea.  I call it "Not putting people in jail for truancy and similar misdemeanors."

If you believe in what you wrote (I prefer to think you wrote in hyperbole) you have gone past acceptable societal norms and are now firmly entrenched in the extreme.

As an aside I don't think you've ever really experienced permanently disfiguring and potentially life threatening beatings.  I hope you never do.
 
2014-06-17 09:57:56 PM
This is really farked up, but I like the way that the judge dodges any responsibility.
 
2014-06-17 10:01:44 PM

WeenerGord: Marcintosh: When did the Jews (that survived) know when to leave Germany?

When is enough, enough?


So where are you recommending that we all escape to?

And why are doctors so evil?


I don't know where the doctors thing comes from - it's a fully different conversation on pervasive incompetence in medicine and not germane to the current topic

Perhaps I was a bit unclear - I was wondering how the Jews that escaped the Holocaust knew when to leave.
The where would come after the method of determining if and or when to leave.
 
2014-06-17 10:02:05 PM

HairBolus: HairBolus: Here is her obituary: http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/readingeagle/obituary.aspx?n=eileen- d inino-bierman&pid=171350004
...
She leaves behind her children: sons: Michael Tobias, Ash, Brian and
Charlie, Matthew, Justin DiNino, and Joseph Maisonet; her loving daughter, Erika Tarnoski;
...

Her list of kids is fairly hard to parse. This is what I get organizing them by last name:
Tobias:   Michael
Matthew:  Ash, Brian, Charlie
DiNino:   Justin
Maisonet: Joseph
Tarnoski: Erika

Here is the 2011 obit of her husband Brian  C. Dinino
[www.henningerfuneralhome.com image 474x479]
(googlecache)
Brian C. Dinino, 45, of Reading, passed away April 17, 2011, in Hershey Medical Center.
He was the husband of Eileen M. Dinino.
Born in Reading, PA, he was the son of the late Charles P. Dinino Sr. and Susan M. (Orrs) Dinino.
He was the owner and operator of A Touch of Shade in Reading.
He is also survived by sons: Brian, Charles, Matthew and Justin Dinino;

Now I have no idea who her children are and whether the number 7 came from reading her badly written obit.


Tweaker, or drunk?  You make the call.
 
2014-06-17 10:02:21 PM

stonelotus: bunner: I also have no cable hookup, atm, so I don't watch any television at all, internet boy.   :  )

"internet boy"?  better get me to the burn ward, stat!

no need to be bitter because your draconian fantasies don't match up to reality.

enjoy your bath, bubbles.


I've seen this movie with he original cast.

You're a troll and a wanker.

Obviously.  And not a very good one.   :  )

Wanna know how I know your lily white, basement swelling suburban ass has never been to jail?  The Pièce de résistance , btw, was to come here and spray piss all over the place over this woman's cold body.. Stay classy, internet boy.  Bitter.  Oh, Prunella, how you do go on.  *click*
 
2014-06-17 10:03:27 PM
Moved from Reading in 1996, glad to be away from there.  Bunch of corrupt judicial cronies doing favors for there favorite pet lawyers after their golf game.  Not sure the ages of the kids, but after a point, you can't make them do anything they don't want too.  Fining the parents for A-hole kids isn't right, the kids should be put in jail for a day or two, they are the ones breaking the law.  Tough love and all...
 
2014-06-17 10:04:39 PM

sprgrss: Save me the tears about debtors prison.

Take responsibility for your children and make sure they go to school.

This lady has been racking up fines since 1999 at some point in time you have to realize the fines aren't going to be paid and its time to exact punishment in another way.


8/10
 
2014-06-17 10:04:43 PM

obamadidcoke: This is really farked up, but I like the way that the judge dodges any responsibility.



Pfft, that's WHY they go for the judgedom.  Blue collars go for LEO, white collars go for Judge.
 
2014-06-17 10:07:03 PM
How is it the south gets such a consistently bad rap for white trashy redneckedness? More of these stories come out of Pennsylvania and Ohio than all of the southern states combined, and yet all of the cousin-farking accusations are leveled at southerners...  Well.. except for Florida.  But still...it's like New England and the west coast consider the rest of the country "the south".
 
2014-06-17 10:08:14 PM

thisisarepeat: legislators present and further farking this country into the third world.


They gotta close out this business pkan somehow.  You don't really think they're interested in keeping an uppity, now redundant biomass in iPhones, 300,000.00 homes and 27.00 dollar pizza money, do you?
 
2014-06-17 10:30:47 PM

real_headhoncho: Sin_City_Superhero: "There has got to be a better way to deal with truancy than putting somebody in prison."

There is...lower taxes on the wealthy.

A fire.  Go find one and die in it, please?


Chill, dude.  That was such a blatant troll that I hit the "Funny" button.
 
2014-06-17 10:34:12 PM

The Muthaship: They should have put the dads in jail instead.


All 7 of them?
 
2014-06-17 10:37:29 PM

HairBolus: Aha, she had 8 children: http://www2.readingeagle.com/article.aspx?id=535633
[Mike] Tobias [28] said he has seven siblings: Erica, 36; Ash, 24; Brian, 21; twins Charlie and Matthew, 17; Justin, 16; and Joseph, 12. Tobias' stepfather died of complications of hepatitis in 2011.

That article also says:

Investigators are also trying to determine if DiNino's death might have been precipitated by the prison's failure to administer her daily medications for high blood pressure, anxiety and bipolar disorder.

From this source: http://articles.mcall.com/2014-06-11/news/mc-d-police-truancy-jail-de a th-20140611_1_truancy-reading-woman-2-day-sentence
Eileen DiNino, 55, of the 400 block of N. 14th St., was found dead Saturday afternoon as jail staff checked inmates' blood pressure, state police at Reading said in a news release.

Is checking blood pressure a normal procedure done to all inmates, say every 6 hours, or is it special treatment given to inmates that medicine is withheld from?


I smell a lawsuit.  Not only could that cause a big blood pressure spike but some blood pressure meds are *NOT* a good idea to cold turkey.
 
2014-06-17 10:39:23 PM

Al!: sprgrss: Al!: mrmopar5287: Al!:  I know I regularly missed 2-5 days of school each year, with funerals and illnesses and everything else that goes on

Yeah, illnesses or other family business like a funeral isn't "truancy" because it's usually excused.

So if an excuse goes undelivered it would be truancy?  Or if an excuse were never written or vocalised?  What exactly constitutes an "excused" absence?  And how are the fines levied?  Do they send you certified letters?  Phonecalls?  Do they call the kid out of class to ask them wtf?  I am having difficulty understanding this, but I went to school in NY, where we also have attendence issues, but we don't throw people in jail or fine them over it.

We have due process in this country.  The parents can contest the truancy charges.  These weren't summary fines.  These were in fact instances in which her children were found to be truant.

So the process is seamless and fines are levied only to the most heinous offenders, and then only by way of a majority vote, ala SCOTUS?


Fines are reserved for minor crimes.  If you are going to flounce away, at least flounce from a solid foundation.
 
2014-06-17 10:43:24 PM
There's almost certainly a difference in how districts handle poor and middle class truancy issues.  "Tiger moms" can just threaten and bully to get what they want while the poor are either too busy working or not savvy enough to manipulate the system.

The truancy problem hits home for me since my ex refuses to make our daughter go to school if she doesn't want to go.  Last school year she racked up 25 unexcused absences and grades of D's and F's for not doing any homework.   The district policy is 10 unexcused absences qualify for a visit from the truant officer, but my ex just literally yelled and screamed about her precious snowflake being a "genius" who didn't need to attend school every day and threatened a lawsuit and magically the limit was moved to 26 days.
 
2014-06-17 10:51:05 PM

acohn: real_headhoncho: Sin_City_Superhero: "There has got to be a better way to deal with truancy than putting somebody in prison."

There is...lower taxes on the wealthy.

A fire.  Go find one and die in it, please?

Chill, dude.  That was such a blatant troll that I hit the "Funny" button.


Well, I hit the DIAF button.

/You get those when you have a TF subscription
 
2014-06-17 10:56:55 PM

czei: There's almost certainly a difference in how districts handle poor and middle class truancy issues.  "Tiger moms" can just threaten and bully to get what they want while the poor are either too busy working or not savvy enough to manipulate the system.

The truancy problem hits home for me since my ex refuses to make our daughter go to school if she doesn't want to go.  Last school year she racked up 25 unexcused absences and grades of D's and F's for not doing any homework.   The district policy is 10 unexcused absences qualify for a visit from the truant officer, but my ex just literally yelled and screamed about her precious snowflake being a "genius" who didn't need to attend school every day and threatened a lawsuit and magically the limit was moved to 26 days.


Sounds like you need to sue for full custody
 
2014-06-17 11:00:48 PM
Prisons have quotas, judges are their recruiters, and freedom is their commodity. It's a good system, keep the wealthy wealthy and the poor poor, how is it not like everything else? Therefore, if this is what people are comfortable with, it must be good.
 
2014-06-17 11:21:47 PM
The number of farkers here who just make-up a connection between the woman being jailed and dying is creeping me out.

People just die without warning sometimes. It isn't the judge's fault or the jail's fault if her blood pressure rose from the stress of being put in jail, and an artery in her brain went "pop". It isn't even US healthcare's fault. AFAIK there's still no test that'll reliably show a weak-walled artery in the brain. It could happen to you tomorrow.

Now if the autopsy shows the jail/jailers did cause or contribute to her death, I'll be right there yelling beside you. But jumping to conclusions from zero evidence is just silly.

/Not intended as an insult to anyone, merely educational. I figure you haven't known anyone yet who died that way. By the time you're in your fifties, you'll likely have known several. :(
 
2014-06-17 11:26:54 PM

holdeestrufs: How is it the south gets such a consistently bad rap for white trashy redneckedness? More of these stories come out of Pennsylvania and Ohio than all of the southern states combined, and yet all of the cousin-farking accusations are leveled at southerners...  Well.. except for Florida.  But still...it's like New England and the west coast consider the rest of the country "the south".


Not ALL of Pennsylvania, just Pennsyltucky!  Believe me, those of us living near Philadelphia and Pittsburgh think they're crazy, too.

/Seriously, if we do get a tag, can it please be for Pennsyltucky?
 
2014-06-17 11:37:14 PM
To be honestly killing all the poor people in this country would fix all the problems we have. And their entire families. Say anybody at actual modern poverty level who makes less than $80k a year with more than 1 dependant. Just a quick and quiet execution and all our problems go away. So this article is a logical first step, lets get this party started.


/and I will happily watch it all from Mexico.
 
2014-06-17 11:41:52 PM

Beowoolfie: The number of farkers here who just make-up a connection between the woman being jailed and dying is creeping me out.

People just die without warning sometimes. It isn't the judge's fault or the jail's fault if her blood pressure rose from the stress of being put in jail, and an artery in her brain went "pop".


Who is making stuff up? the news sources I quoted said the jailers didn't give her her her daily medications for high blood pressure, anxiety and bipolar disorder but for some reason thought it important to monitor her blood pressure.
 
2014-06-17 11:41:56 PM

obamadidcoke: This is really farked up, but I like the way that the judge dodges any responsibility.


It's his job to ensure that the law is carried out. He doesn't have to agree with it, or like it, and he has some latitude in certain areas. It's not his fault.

It's yours. It's mine. It's the fault of anyone and everyone that thought being "tough on crime" means imprisoning the poor for profit. We're the ones that vote for, or against, the people that decide the laws of this land. We're apparently not sick enough of this to rise up and demand that lawmakers stop it, so we're going to see it continue.

It's just his job to ensure that our will is carried out. It's our job to tell him that it's not our will. But, when barely half of us bother to vote even for big elections - and far less than that, usually, for "less important" elections - well, it's a small group telling him what to do and not do to people.
 
Al!
2014-06-17 11:53:46 PM

sprgrss: Al!: sprgrss: Al!: mrmopar5287: Al!:  I know I regularly missed 2-5 days of school each year, with funerals and illnesses and everything else that goes on

Yeah, illnesses or other family business like a funeral isn't "truancy" because it's usually excused.

So if an excuse goes undelivered it would be truancy?  Or if an excuse were never written or vocalised?  What exactly constitutes an "excused" absence?  And how are the fines levied?  Do they send you certified letters?  Phonecalls?  Do they call the kid out of class to ask them wtf?  I am having difficulty understanding this, but I went to school in NY, where we also have attendence issues, but we don't throw people in jail or fine them over it.

We have due process in this country.  The parents can contest the truancy charges.  These weren't summary fines.  These were in fact instances in which her children were found to be truant.

So the process is seamless and fines are levied only to the most heinous offenders, and then only by way of a majority vote, ala SCOTUS?

Fines are reserved for minor crimes.  If you are going to flounce away, at least flounce from a solid foundation.


Did it look to you like I typed "what is a fine used for?"  Of course not.  I asked what the nature of the system was.  You know, how it works.  How did this lady end up in jail?  How did they not bring her in years ago?  What exactly is "truant" as is legally used in this case?  Is it a panel, or does a single person have the entire say over the issue?  Does the governor get involved?  Should we call Batman?

You denigrate the conversation while still not answering a single question that I have posed, and my post is the flounce?  I asked once, semi-clearly about the nature of the system, and several other times using statements laced with sarcasm.  I will try one more time, in case you missed it:

I don't understand the system, so someone please help me.  I went to school in NYS, where there aren't fines for truancy, let alone jail terms.  Please explain to me how this situation could possibly come about in any sort of reasonable democratic society.

Seriously.  I don't give 3 shiats about what a fine is.  I'm not retarded.  I understand that they don't randomly fine people listed on the attendance.  I understand that generally there is due process involved in our system, and that some people can slip through the cracks.  What I don't understand is the system in which this lady ended up in jail over minor fines dating back to 15 years ago, fines which seem absolutely ludicrous to me in the first place.  If you don't want to explain it, ignore my post.  If you do want to explain it, explain it.  Telling me what a fine is makes you look moronic.
 
2014-06-18 12:30:42 AM

Al!: sprgrss: Al!: sprgrss: Al!: mrmopar5287: Al!:  I know I regularly missed 2-5 days of school each year, with funerals and illnesses and everything else that goes on

Yeah, illnesses or other family business like a funeral isn't "truancy" because it's usually excused.

So if an excuse goes undelivered it would be truancy?  Or if an excuse were never written or vocalised?  What exactly constitutes an "excused" absence?  And how are the fines levied?  Do they send you certified letters?  Phonecalls?  Do they call the kid out of class to ask them wtf?  I am having difficulty understanding this, but I went to school in NY, where we also have attendence issues, but we don't throw people in jail or fine them over it.

We have due process in this country.  The parents can contest the truancy charges.  These weren't summary fines.  These were in fact instances in which her children were found to be truant.

So the process is seamless and fines are levied only to the most heinous offenders, and then only by way of a majority vote, ala SCOTUS?

Fines are reserved for minor crimes.  If you are going to flounce away, at least flounce from a solid foundation.

Did it look to you like I typed "what is a fine used for?"  Of course not.  I asked what the nature of the system was.  You know, how it works.  How did this lady end up in jail?  How did they not bring her in years ago?  What exactly is "truant" as is legally used in this case?  Is it a panel, or does a single person have the entire say over the issue?  Does the governor get involved?  Should we call Batman?

You denigrate the conversation while still not answering a single question that I have posed, and my post is the flounce?  I asked once, semi-clearly about the nature of the system, and several other times using statements laced with sarcasm.  I will try one more time, in case you missed it:

I don't understand the system, so someone please help me.  I went to school in NYS, where there aren't fines for truancy, let al ...


Yes, yes it did look like you said what a fine is for, albeit sardonically when you stated:  "fines are levied only to the most heinous offenders "

Also, New York, like every farking state in the union has criminal sanctions for truancy.  But don't let your ignorance stop you.

Flounce, flounce, flounce away mein Liebchen.
 
2014-06-18 12:33:53 AM

bunner: stonelotus: bunner: I also have no cable hookup, atm, so I don't watch any television at all, internet boy.   :  )

"internet boy"?  better get me to the burn ward, stat!

no need to be bitter because your draconian fantasies don't match up to reality.

enjoy your bath, bubbles.

I've seen this movie with he original cast.

You're a troll and a wanker.

Obviously.  And not a very good one.   :  )

Wanna know how I know your lily white, basement swelling suburban ass has never been to jail?  The Pièce de résistance , btw, was to come here and spray piss all over the place over this woman's cold body my manufactured outrage. Stay classy, internet boy.  Bitter.  Oh, Prunella, how you do go on.  *click*


FTFY.

grats on getting your cable turned back on, bubbles.  we return you to your regularly scheduled programming.
 
2014-06-18 12:36:26 AM
Let me guess. The father (or fathers) could not be reached for comment.

/Dad would have kicked my ass if I had tried to skip school. (Not that I had anywhere else to be what with the no money and the no car thing.)
 
2014-06-18 12:43:48 AM
If I was the judge I'd have paid the fines off myself, and if people don't like, I'd inform them they're free to to fark themselves.
 
2014-06-18 12:58:21 AM

sprgrss: GreatGlavinsGhost: Dinjiin: gopher321: That's farking disgusting. So they're bringing back debtor's prisons now, huh?

Sounds as if she had a large number of fines that she had been ignoring for years.


Of course the problem with fines is that they hit the poor the hardest.  So you could level the system by eliminating fines and skipping straight to jail time or community service.  Of course, the poor can least afford to take time off from work, and tend to work more non-traditional schedules (like weekends).  So locking them up, regardless of the time of week, impacts them the hardest.

So I guess the moral to the story is: don't let your kids do stupid things if you're poor.

Has anyone figured out why her kids were "truant"?

Because they didn't go to school and weren't excused from not attending school.


Thank you. I meant did the kids have a legitimate excuse (like older ones staying home to watch younger ones who may have been sick, etc) or were they farking around for every single truancy?
 
2014-06-18 01:03:48 AM

yourmomlovestetris: Let me guess. The father (or fathers) could not be reached for comment.

/Dad would have kicked my ass if I had tried to skip school. (Not that I had anywhere else to be what with the no money and the no car thing.)


I think his obit was posted here.
 
2014-06-18 01:05:52 AM

WhyteRaven74: If I was the judge I'd have paid the fines off myself, and if people don't like, I'd inform them they're free to to fark themselves.


Isn't Pennsyltucky where a judge was getting kickbacks for sentencing juveniles? Link I'm starting to think judges in that part of the world see themselves above the riff-raff who come to their courtrooms.
 
2014-06-18 01:26:45 AM
She was sentenced to two days in jail and that would have wiped 2k fines away?

I would gladly go to jail for 200 days if my debt gets wiped at that rate.
 
Al!
2014-06-18 02:15:24 AM

sprgrss: Yes, yes it did look like you said what a fine is for, albeit sardonically when you stated:  "fines are levied only to the most heinous offenders "

Also, New York, like every farking state in the union has criminal sanctions for truancy [citation needed].  But don't let your ignorance stop you.

Flounce, flounce, flounce away mein Liebchen.



And you completely missed the question mark.  A very general statement was made by someone who was implying that they knew the answer to my question, so I replied with wild assumptions based off of the information I was given.  My question, albeit loaded with absurdity, was concerning how the system worked.  Is it controlled by the Principal?  The Teacher?  School Board vote?  By simple majority majority, or does it have to be unanimous?  Must a quorum be met for the vote to be valid?  Or is it a simple system that I just have never had to deal with before?  Seriously.  How hard is it?  I am literally trying to not let my ignorance stop me, and your ignorance is what is keeping me with mine.

Btw: If NYS has fines, it is something that has been implemented in the last 12 months, because they did not have criminal truancy penalties as of the end of last school year.  At least not in my district.  My step-son missed 41 days last year, virtually none of them excused.  If 41 days isn't enough to trigger penalties, please, tell me why we even have these laws.

/former step-son (?), his mother is insane and wouldn't let me ever say different if he wanted to stay home... she would then do the same.  When it was my responsibility without her interference, he would go to school.  Every time.
 
2014-06-18 02:22:14 AM

HairBolus: Here is her obituary: http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/readingeagle/obituary.aspx?n=eileen- d inino-bierman&pid=171350004

[ak-cache.legacy.net image 108x144]
Eileen M. DiNino, age 55, of Reading, passed away unexpectedly on Saturday June 7, 2014 in the St. Joseph Medica Center, Bern Township, Reading.
She was born in Reading and was the daughter of the late Harry J. and Elizabeth M. (Zalesky) Bierman.
She leaves behind her children: sons: Michael Tobias, Ash, Brian and
Charlie, Matthew, Justin DiNino, and Joseph Maisonet; her loving daughter, Erika Tarnoski;
...
 First off she was probably pronounced dead (not passed away) in the St. Joseph Medical Center.


Her list of kids is fairly hard to parse. This is what I get organizing them by last name:
Tobias:   Michael
Matthew:  Ash, Brian, Charlie
DiNino:   Justin
Maisonet: Joseph
Tarnoski: Erika


Yeah. They could've used some semicolons in there.
 
2014-06-18 03:14:03 AM
At one point in my life I worked at a maximum security federal prison, multiple times in my life I have been the guest in county jails across the country due to not so smart decisions. To say they are the same thing is fricken retarded to say the least.
 
2014-06-18 04:22:02 AM

ArcadianRefugee: HairBolus:
She leaves behind her children: sons: Michael Tobias, Ash, Brian and
Charlie, Matthew, Justin DiNino, and Joseph Maisonet; her loving daughter, Erika Tarnoski;

Her list of kids is fairly hard to parse. This is what I get organizing them by last name:
Tobias:   Michael
Matthew:  Ash, Brian, Charlie
DiNino:   Justin
Maisonet: Joseph
Tarnoski: Erika

Yeah. They could've used some semicolons in there.


And also not a retard writing the obit. As I later found above she had 8 kids and I think Ash is her daughter.

[Mike] Tobias [28] said he has seven siblings: Erica, 36; Ash, 24; Brian, 21; twins Charlie and Matthew, 17; Justin, 16; and Joseph, 12. Tobias' stepfather died of complications of hepatitis in 2011.

Maybe a retard also wrote her husband's obit I linked above which says:

He is also survived by sons: Brian, Charles, Matthew and Justin Dinino;

which doesn't explain where Joseph (12) came from, or properly capitalize DiNino..

My guess now is that she had only two husbands (Tobias and DiNino)
 
2014-06-18 04:41:01 AM
ak6.picdn.net
 
2014-06-18 07:18:08 AM

some_beer_drinker: what the fark is a truancy fine? you have to pay money if your kids miss school? how the fark does that even make sense?


Yes, that's what it is.
It makes sense because your brats should be in school, and it's your responsibility to see that they are.
Failing in your responsibility has consequences.

Apparently here it's $8, so not much of one, but still a consequence.
 
2014-06-18 09:26:07 AM

Beowoolfie: holdeestrufs: How is it the south gets such a consistently bad rap for white trashy redneckedness? More of these stories come out of Pennsylvania and Ohio than all of the southern states combined, and yet all of the cousin-farking accusations are leveled at southerners...  Well.. except for Florida.  But still...it's like New England and the west coast consider the rest of the country "the south".

Not ALL of Pennsylvania, just Pennsyltucky!  Believe me, those of us living near Philadelphia and Pittsburgh think they're crazy, too.

/Seriously, if we do get a tag, can it please be for Pennsyltucky?


Pennsylvania: The South of the North.

BTW, this is how New Yorkers view the rest of the country

valentinagurarie.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-06-18 09:35:38 AM
I'm just gonna throw this out here, but what if she had to get up for work very early every morning to support the kids?

What if she pleaded with them every morning to please go to school as she struggled out the door at 6:30 to make it to her slightly-above-minimum-wage job that kept them all fed?

No dad around, so she's trapped.  She can't be late, so she can't personally take the kids to school.  The kids take no responsibility for their actions, every day she's fighting a losing battle.  Maybe she just died of exhaustion.
 
2014-06-18 10:31:51 AM
why didn't they just garnish her wages?
 
2014-06-18 10:47:11 AM

HairBolus: Here is her obituary: http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/readingeagle/obituary.aspx?n=eileen- d inino-bierman&pid=171350004

[ak-cache.legacy.net image 108x144]
Eileen M. DiNino, age 55, of Reading, passed away unexpectedly on Saturday June 7, 2014 in the St. Joseph Medica Center, Bern Township, Reading.
She was born in Reading and was the daughter of the late Harry J. and Elizabeth M. (Zalesky) Bierman.
She leaves behind her children: sons: Michael Tobias, Ash, Brian and
Charlie, Matthew, Justin DiNino, and Joseph Maisonet; her loving daughter, Erika Tarnoski;
...
 First off she was probably pronounced dead (not passed away) in the St. Joseph Medical Center.


Her list of kids is fairly hard to parse. This is what I get organizing them by last name:
Tobias:   Michael
Matthew:  Ash, Brian, Charlie
DiNino:   Justin
Maisonet: Joseph
Tarnoski: Erika


My money is on Erika for pushing Mom into a dirt nap
 
2014-06-18 11:08:33 AM

count_chimpula: iheartscotch: She should have thought about that before accumulating such a high fine over almost 15 years of truant children. One time is fine; hell, 9 times is fine. Her kids were fined on approximately 250 times at $8 a fine.

Eh there are other stories on it that say that it was 90 times over 14 years, interest, court costs, etc made up the balance, also that people have tried to help her and she refused assistance(one of her daughters in law was quoted). And that her 7 children have 4 different fathers.


So in other words, this is an extreme edge case that borders on a real-life reductio ad absurdum. Yet people people speak as though the fines themselves are the problem.
 
2014-06-18 05:06:10 PM

HairBolus: Who is making stuff up? the news sources I quoted said the jailers didn't give her her her daily medications for high blood pressure, anxiety and bipolar disorder but for some reason thought it important to monitor her blood pressure.


I wrote that comment based on the first hundred or so posts. Yours was later in the list and I didn't see it until afterwards. You actually had some evidence you're working from, and my comment wasn't at all directed at you. Sorry!
 
2014-06-18 11:14:17 PM
This is really sad...but on the bright side...at least I didn't have to see a comment from vudukungfu about what a hellhole Pennsy  is so I gue....


vudukungfu: third world shiathole, pennsylvania...

/ahh...just so
//nevermind

 
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