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2014-06-17 05:58:49 PM
that District Judge Dean R. Patton, who sent her to prison reluctantly, blamed a judicial system that imprisons poor people who can't pay fines for minor offensives such as truancy fines. He said:


That's farking disgusting. So they're bringing back debtor's prisons now, huh?
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2014-06-17 06:22:03 PM
The fines themselves are not exorbitant - "$8 for a "judicial computer project"; $60 for Berks County constables; $10 for postage" - but they can accumulate into a big number, the AP said.

So the AP also listened to NPR three weeks ago? ("Guilty and charged")
 
2014-06-17 06:30:36 PM
7 kids?

She probably has already been dead for a while. This I just the first time she was able to relax and enjoy it.
 
2014-06-17 06:30:51 PM
Save me the tears about debtors prison.

Take responsibility for your children and make sure they go to school.

This lady has been racking up fines since 1999 at some point in time you have to realize the fines aren't going to be paid and its time to exact punishment in another way.
 
2014-06-17 06:30:51 PM
quoted Berks County Commissioner Christian Leinbach, (R) , as saying:

"That unfortunately is part of the law in Pennsylvania and I think it is insanity. There has got to be a better way to deal with truancy than putting somebody in prison."


There is, Einstein. They get fined, like $8 at a time. But if you spend a decade and a half refusing to pay those little fines like this lady did, they will arrest you and throw you in jail. Just like with speeding tickets.
 
2014-06-17 06:31:28 PM
"There has got to be a better way to deal with truancy than putting somebody in prison."

There is...lower taxes on the wealthy.
 
2014-06-17 06:31:29 PM
Hold on, folks. This is just going to get worse long before it gets better.
 
2014-06-17 06:31:32 PM
7 kids?

She probably has already been dead for a while. This is just the first time she was able to relax and enjoy it.
 
2014-06-17 06:31:45 PM
Soon as a federal agency picks up on this idea, we can  get some cheap labor to fix the roads...

Don't you dare tell me at least one asshat in DoT hasn't brought it up lately.
 
2014-06-17 06:32:57 PM
That'll teach those truant children
 
2014-06-17 06:33:36 PM
I hate myself for chuckling at that headline.
 
2014-06-17 06:34:39 PM
Jesus goddamn Christ this is farking terrible.
 
2014-06-17 06:35:11 PM
"This lady didn't need to be there.  We don't do debtors prisons anymore. That went out 100 years ago." 

It's not debtors prison, you pay the fine or serve the jail time. This is common practice anytime a fine is given as a punishment. If you get a speeding ticket and never pay the fine, you will be arrested.
 
2014-06-17 06:36:25 PM

gopher321: that District Judge Dean R. Patton, who sent her to prison reluctantly, blamed a judicial system that imprisons poor people who can't pay fines for minor offensives such as truancy fines. He said:


That's farking disgusting. So they're bringing back debtor's prisons now, huh?


Not bringing, brought.
 
2014-06-17 06:37:16 PM

Atomic Spunk: I hate myself for chuckling at that headline.


I laughed at the article.

/probably died of complications of trying to bless us with another benefit to society.
 
2014-06-17 06:39:31 PM

HotWingAgenda: quoted Berks County Commissioner Christian Leinbach, (R) , as saying:

"That unfortunately is part of the law in Pennsylvania and I think it is insanity. There has got to be a better way to deal with truancy than putting somebody in prison."

There is, Einstein. They get fined, like $8 at a time. But if you spend a decade and a half refusing to pay those little fines like this lady did, they will arrest you and throw you in jail. Just like with speeding tickets.


Except, of course, if you can get a couple (or a couple hundred) of your friends to bring their guns and, uhm, contest the fines.

/Never have two Americas been more stark in their differences.
 
2014-06-17 06:40:20 PM

sprgrss: Save me the tears about debtors prison.

Take responsibility for your children and make sure they go to school.

This lady has been racking up fines since 1999 at some point in time you have to realize the fines aren't going to be paid and its time to exact punishment in another way.


Except now she's dead and possibly the kids will enter into either state custody and/or the welfare system causing a much bigger problem than a debt for petty infractions. But hey, they showed her.
 
2014-06-17 06:41:49 PM

ReapTheChaos: "This lady didn't need to be there.  We don't do debtors prisons anymore. That went out 100 years ago." 

It's not debtors prison, you pay the fine or serve the jail time. This is common practice anytime a fine is given as a punishment. If you get a speeding ticket and never pay the fine, you will be arrested.


...yep. And the kid learns his lesson.  Unfortunately, that lesson is approximately the same as if he fell into a gang: Never trust a government entity.
 
2014-06-17 06:41:56 PM
IANAL, but couldn't the judge have suspended the sentence or rerouted it to community service? If he was so reluctant, shouldn't he have used his judicial authority to take action? I realize not all the cards are showing, so there was probably a mitigating factor clogging up the situation.
 
2014-06-17 06:42:33 PM
They should have put the dads in jail instead.
 
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2014-06-17 06:42:36 PM
Who was in charge of making sure the kids got to school while she was in prison?
 
2014-06-17 06:42:48 PM

IlGreven: HotWingAgenda: quoted Berks County Commissioner Christian Leinbach, (R) , as saying:

"That unfortunately is part of the law in Pennsylvania and I think it is insanity. There has got to be a better way to deal with truancy than putting somebody in prison."

There is, Einstein. They get fined, like $8 at a time. But if you spend a decade and a half refusing to pay those little fines like this lady did, they will arrest you and throw you in jail. Just like with speeding tickets.

Except, of course, if you can get a couple (or a couple hundred) of your friends to bring their guns and, uhm, contest the fines.

/Never have two Americas been more stark in their differences.


I still can't believe that wingnut and his vigilantes haven't been thrown in a federal penitentiary yet.
 
2014-06-17 06:43:33 PM

FailOut08: sprgrss: Save me the tears about debtors prison.

Take responsibility for your children and make sure they go to school.

This lady has been racking up fines since 1999 at some point in time you have to realize the fines aren't going to be paid and its time to exact punishment in another way.

Except now she's dead and possibly the kids will enter into either state custody and/or the welfare system causing a much bigger problem than a debt for petty infractions. But hey, they showed her.


so now you are saying her incarceration is the proximate cause of her death?  You need to work on your causes and effects better.
 
2014-06-17 06:43:58 PM

Sin_City_Superhero: "There has got to be a better way to deal with truancy than putting somebody in prison."

There is...lower taxes on the wealthy.


A fire.  Go find one and die in it, please?
 
2014-06-17 06:45:16 PM
third world shiathole, pennsylvania...
 
2014-06-17 06:47:45 PM
She should have thought about that before accumulating such a high fine over almost 15 years of truant children. One time is fine; hell, 9 times is fine. Her kids were fined on approximately 250 times at $8 a fine.
 
2014-06-17 06:50:20 PM

sprgrss: FailOut08: sprgrss: Save me the tears about debtors prison.

Take responsibility for your children and make sure they go to school.

This lady has been racking up fines since 1999 at some point in time you have to realize the fines aren't going to be paid and its time to exact punishment in another way.

Except now she's dead and possibly the kids will enter into either state custody and/or the welfare system causing a much bigger problem than a debt for petty infractions. But hey, they showed her.

so now you are saying her incarceration is the proximate cause of her death?  You need to work on your causes and effects better.


And you should hire a moving company to help you with those heavy goalposts.
 
2014-06-17 06:51:50 PM

iheartscotch: She should have thought about that before accumulating such a high fine over almost 15 years of truant children. One time is fine; hell, 9 times is fine. Her kids were fined on approximately 250 times at $8 a fine.


Eh there are other stories on it that say that it was 90 times over 14 years, interest, court costs, etc made up the balance, also that people have tried to help her and she refused assistance(one of her daughters in law was quoted). And that her 7 children have 4 different fathers.
 
2014-06-17 06:52:16 PM

Combustion: sprgrss: FailOut08: sprgrss: Save me the tears about debtors prison.

Take responsibility for your children and make sure they go to school.

This lady has been racking up fines since 1999 at some point in time you have to realize the fines aren't going to be paid and its time to exact punishment in another way.

Except now she's dead and possibly the kids will enter into either state custody and/or the welfare system causing a much bigger problem than a debt for petty infractions. But hey, they showed her.

so now you are saying her incarceration is the proximate cause of her death?  You need to work on your causes and effects better.

And you should hire a moving company to help you with those heavy goalposts.


I haven't moved a single goalpost.  But thanks for showing off your weak grasp of logic and the english language.
 
2014-06-17 06:53:54 PM

sprgrss: FailOut08: sprgrss: Save me the tears about debtors prison.

Take responsibility for your children and make sure they go to school.

This lady has been racking up fines since 1999 at some point in time you have to realize the fines aren't going to be paid and its time to exact punishment in another way.

Except now she's dead and possibly the kids will enter into either state custody and/or the welfare system causing a much bigger problem than a debt for petty infractions. But hey, they showed her.

so now you are saying her incarceration is the proximate cause of her death?  You need to work on your causes and effects better.


She was unable to attend to her medical needs due to incarceration. The prison failed to monitor and meet her medical needs.  Is it a crime? Probably not. Pennseltucky
 
2014-06-17 06:54:24 PM
Here is her obituary: http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/readingeagle/obituary.aspx?n=eileen- d inino-bierman&pid=171350004

ak-cache.legacy.net
Eileen M. DiNino, age 55, of Reading, passed away unexpectedly on Saturday June 7, 2014 in the St. Joseph Medica Center, Bern Township, Reading.
She was born in Reading and was the daughter of the late Harry J. and Elizabeth M. (Zalesky) Bierman.
She leaves behind her children: sons: Michael Tobias, Ash, Brian and
Charlie, Matthew, Justin DiNino, and Joseph Maisonet; her loving daughter, Erika Tarnoski;
...

 First off she was probably pronounced dead (not passed away) in the St. Joseph Medical Center.


Her list of kids is fairly hard to parse. This is what I get organizing them by last name:
Tobias:   Michael
Matthew:  Ash, Brian, Charlie
DiNino:   Justin
Maisonet: Joseph
Tarnoski: Erika
 
2014-06-17 06:54:42 PM

sprgrss: FailOut08: sprgrss: Save me the tears about debtors prison.

Take responsibility for your children and make sure they go to school.

This lady has been racking up fines since 1999 at some point in time you have to realize the fines aren't going to be paid and its time to exact punishment in another way.

Except now she's dead and possibly the kids will enter into either state custody and/or the welfare system causing a much bigger problem than a debt for petty infractions. But hey, they showed her.

so now you are saying her incarceration is the proximate cause of her death?  You need to work on your causes and effects better.


If she had dropped dead during a bank robbery they would charge the robbers with murder.  They should charge the DA with murder, the judge, the prosecutor and the truancy officer should be charged with accessory.  Max them all out because they were in positions of authority.
 
2014-06-17 06:54:44 PM
So they either beat her to death for being poor with naughty children, or she committed suicide.

Until they release the cause of death, my money is on the former.

/even if she wasn't beat
//FTP
 
2014-06-17 07:00:02 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: So they either beat her to death for being poor with naughty children, or she committed suicide.

Until they release the cause of death, my money is on the former.

/even if she wasn't beat
//FTP


She probably died of a "previously undiagnosed heart condition" shortly after being forced to inhale some industrial solvent (which had absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the heart failure), or repeatedly headbutted the iron bars or concrete floor while resisting arrest.
 
2014-06-17 07:00:49 PM
Or maybe her uterus fell out.
 
2014-06-17 07:01:04 PM

gopher321: That's farking disgusting. So they're bringing back debtor's prisons now, huh?

 
Sounds as if she had a large number of fines that she had been ignoring for years.


Of course the problem with fines is that they hit the poor the hardest.  So you could level the system by eliminating fines and skipping straight to jail time or community service.  Of course, the poor can least afford to take time off from work, and tend to work more non-traditional schedules (like weekends).  So locking them up, regardless of the time of week, impacts them the hardest.

So I guess the moral to the story is: don't let your kids do stupid things if you're poor.
 
2014-06-17 07:01:10 PM

FailOut08: sprgrss: Save me the tears about debtors prison.

Take responsibility for your children and make sure they go to school.

This lady has been racking up fines since 1999 at some point in time you have to realize the fines aren't going to be paid and its time to exact punishment in another way.

Except now she's dead and possibly the kids will enter into either state custody and/or the welfare system causing a much bigger problem than a debt for petty infractions. But hey, they showed her.


Although, they may already be on welfare.  At her age, they may have already moved out and this is an issue that just wasn't resolved sooner.  But I agree, it solved nothing by locking her up.  It sucks that she had to be there for last hours.

/I'm not blaming her when the likelihood of the truancies were teens being brats.
 
2014-06-17 07:04:01 PM

Dinjiin: gopher321: That's farking disgusting. So they're bringing back debtor's prisons now, huh?

Sounds as if she had a large number of fines that she had been ignoring for years.


Of course the problem with fines is that they hit the poor the hardest.  So you could level the system by eliminating fines and skipping straight to jail time or community service.  Of course, the poor can least afford to take time off from work, and tend to work more non-traditional schedules (like weekends).  So locking them up, regardless of the time of week, impacts them the hardest.

So I guess the moral to the story is: don't let your kids do stupid things if you're poor.


Has anyone figured out why her kids were "truant"?
 
2014-06-17 07:04:59 PM
www.imfdb.org
 
2014-06-17 07:05:31 PM
She got what she had coming, no big loss. But since her wretched offspring don't want to go to school, they should have been put in prison too and sentenced to work 7/12 hour days on a chain gang cleaning only the most disgusting of things when not doing hard labor till they turn 18.

Boo hoo too harsh? It's the limp wrist pansy fluff not dealing with correcting unacceptable behavior mentality that has let little brats spiral out of control to begin with. Your horrible little vermin affect and ruin things for all of us, so if you don't like what others have in mind then step up and be a parent for once in your life or just don't breed. Then others don't have to get involved and show your precious snowflake what punishment is while we do your job.
 
2014-06-17 07:06:38 PM
it's pennsylvania.

good riddance. bring on more jailtime. Hey, once the prisons are empty from legalization of maryjane we need someone to fill the open beds.
 
2014-06-17 07:06:51 PM
what the fark is a truancy fine? you have to pay money if your kids miss school? how the fark does that even make sense?
 
2014-06-17 07:08:26 PM

Sin_City_Superhero: "There has got to be a better way to deal with truancy than putting somebody in prison."

There is...lower taxes on the wealthy.


for sure. if the rich payed less taxes, they could create more jobs, so she could pay her fine...amidoinitright?
 
2014-06-17 07:08:52 PM
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So what did everyone think of the GOT season finale?
 
2014-06-17 07:09:18 PM

thisisarepeat: sprgrss: FailOut08: sprgrss: Save me the tears about debtors prison.

Take responsibility for your children and make sure they go to school.

This lady has been racking up fines since 1999 at some point in time you have to realize the fines aren't going to be paid and its time to exact punishment in another way.

Except now she's dead and possibly the kids will enter into either state custody and/or the welfare system causing a much bigger problem than a debt for petty infractions. But hey, they showed her.

so now you are saying her incarceration is the proximate cause of her death?  You need to work on your causes and effects better.

If she had dropped dead during a bank robbery they would charge the robbers with murder.  They should charge the DA with murder, the judge, the prosecutor and the truancy officer should be charged with accessory.  Max them all out because they were in positions of authority.


Holy jesus, talk about not knowing cause and effect.
 
2014-06-17 07:10:00 PM
Truly sad.,.dying alone away from her loved ones.
 
2014-06-17 07:10:19 PM

stirfrybry: sprgrss: FailOut08: sprgrss: Save me the tears about debtors prison.

Take responsibility for your children and make sure they go to school.

This lady has been racking up fines since 1999 at some point in time you have to realize the fines aren't going to be paid and its time to exact punishment in another way.

Except now she's dead and possibly the kids will enter into either state custody and/or the welfare system causing a much bigger problem than a debt for petty infractions. But hey, they showed her.

so now you are saying her incarceration is the proximate cause of her death?  You need to work on your causes and effects better.

She was unable to attend to her medical needs due to incarceration. The prison failed to monitor and meet her medical needs.  Is it a crime? Probably not. Pennseltucky


So now you are telepathic and know the cause of death and that the jail staff was derelict in their duties?
 
2014-06-17 07:11:20 PM

GreatGlavinsGhost: Dinjiin: gopher321: That's farking disgusting. So they're bringing back debtor's prisons now, huh?

Sounds as if she had a large number of fines that she had been ignoring for years.


Of course the problem with fines is that they hit the poor the hardest.  So you could level the system by eliminating fines and skipping straight to jail time or community service.  Of course, the poor can least afford to take time off from work, and tend to work more non-traditional schedules (like weekends).  So locking them up, regardless of the time of week, impacts them the hardest.

So I guess the moral to the story is: don't let your kids do stupid things if you're poor.

Has anyone figured out why her kids were "truant"?


Because they didn't go to school and weren't excused from not attending school.
 
2014-06-17 07:12:39 PM
I feel like somewhere along the way, if I were too poor to pay the fines, I'd figure out someway to make the kids go to school.  Even if that means going every morning and walk (drag) each of them to the doors personally, sending them to live with other relatives, or getting OCS involved because I obviously cannot manage to get my shiat together and need drastic intervention.
 
2014-06-17 07:12:54 PM

sprgrss: This lady has been racking up fines since 1999 at some point in time you have to realize the fines aren't going to be paid and its time to exact punishment in another way.


$2,000 over 15 years is about $133 a year, or $11 a month.  That's less than 2 packs of menthol light 100s a month to just pay the fines.
 
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