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(Five Thirty-Eight)   Here is an updated outlook for the US after defeating Ghana. Detailed descriptions of each possible scenario to the left, rants about how your drunken explanation in a previous thread was better to the right   (fivethirtyeight.com) divider line 63
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2014-06-17 01:01:52 PM
What's the flopping index for the rest of the group?
 
2014-06-17 02:40:46 PM

WTF Indeed: What's the flopping index for the rest of the group?


Germany won't, really. The last great German flopper was, well, Jurgen Klinsmann.

Portugal, though... the Sniper will be in the stands for that one. Any hard contact, soft contact, incidental contact, or proximity will result in a full-on dive.
 
2014-06-17 04:01:50 PM

Gonz: WTF Indeed: What's the flopping index for the rest of the group?

Germany won't, really. The last great German flopper was, well, Jurgen Klinsmann.

Portugal, though... the Sniper will be in the stands for that one. Any hard contact, soft contact, incidental contact, or proximity will result in a full-on dive.


Muller flopped, then Pepe (of all people) decided he didn't like flopping and head butted him.
 
2014-06-17 04:04:05 PM
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2014-06-17 04:04:36 PM
America will win everything because our coach wears a polo shirt instead of a shirt, jacket and tie. We are destined for casual greatness!
 
2014-06-17 04:05:41 PM

Trocadero: Gonz: WTF Indeed: What's the flopping index for the rest of the group?

Germany won't, really. The last great German flopper was, well, Jurgen Klinsmann.

Portugal, though... the Sniper will be in the stands for that one. Any hard contact, soft contact, incidental contact, or proximity will result in a full-on dive.

Muller flopped, then Pepe (of all people) decided he didn't like flopping and head butted him.


I didn't think that was a flop, personally, but hilarious re-butt-al by Pepe.
 
2014-06-17 04:06:08 PM

Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: We are destined for casual greatness!


This may be my new motto.
 
2014-06-17 04:10:15 PM
Via ESPN:

1. Fabio Coentrao, starting LB for Portugal, out for the rest fo the World Cup
2. Hugo Almeida, starting ST for Portugal, can return unknown timetable
3. Rui Patricio, starting GK for Portugal, can return unkown timetable

Those three injury updates combined with Pepe's red card should make me feel better, but I don't. After watching the US team fail to complete 3 passes in a row for 80 straight minutes last night I am still worried about Sunday's match.
 
2014-06-17 04:32:11 PM
Man, soccer flopping jokes are so fresh and witty! Thank god people make them in every thread.
 
2014-06-17 04:42:34 PM
I thought basketballers flopped and footballers dove. Dived?
heh hehe. I said '" ballers " twice.
 
2014-06-17 04:42:40 PM
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2014-06-17 04:45:31 PM

Car_Ramrod: Man, soccer flopping jokes are so fresh and witty! Thank god people make them in every thread.


http://www.fark.com/farq/about/#What_is_Fark.3F
 
2014-06-17 04:59:12 PM
So, this is an article not based on reality. Cool.

I predict USA to lose the two last matches, and finish 2nd on goalscore.
 
2014-06-17 05:01:18 PM

This Looks Fun: Trocadero: Gonz: WTF Indeed: What's the flopping index for the rest of the group?

Germany won't, really. The last great German flopper was, well, Jurgen Klinsmann.

Portugal, though... the Sniper will be in the stands for that one. Any hard contact, soft contact, incidental contact, or proximity will result in a full-on dive.

Muller flopped, then Pepe (of all people) decided he didn't like flopping and head butted him.

I didn't think that was a flop, personally, but hilarious re-butt-al by Pepe.


It was a flop.

That's also why the referee didn't stop the match.

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Since you don't seem to think it was a flop, how do you explain Mueller doing the exact opposite when Pepe headbutted him?
 
2014-06-17 05:02:27 PM
Those 538 polls are wrong.  The US team will beat Germany by 8 goals and advance to the finals against Brazil where they will win by 6.

Because 'Murica.

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2014-06-17 05:02:36 PM
We just need to take the high road. When Portugal makes contact with our guys, just casually get up and check ourself for blood and wave off any stretchers that come for us, and then when a Portagee goes down, just distract the ref and have one of the disposable players wait until Cristiano comes running up waving the imaginary card and sucker punch him in the face.

That, in all respects, would make the Cup worthwhile.
 
2014-06-17 05:06:11 PM
Yellow cards should be 2 minutes in the penalty box, like hockey. Then this shiat would get exciting.
 
2014-06-17 05:08:31 PM

balfourk: Via ESPN:

1. Fabio Coentrao, starting LB for Portugal, out for the rest fo the World Cup
2. Hugo Almeida, starting ST for Portugal, can return unknown timetable
3. Rui Patricio, starting GK for Portugal, can return unkown timetable

Those three injury updates combined with Pepe's red card should make me feel better, but I don't. After watching the US team fail to complete 3 passes in a row for 80 straight minutes last night I am still worried about Sunday's match.


Eh, had the USA not scored in the first 30 seconds of the game, I would imagine that entire game would have gone differently.  Ghana was pressing because they know that goal differential may be a factor, in addition to wanting their three points.  Both teams knew that 3 points in this game was vitally important.  Add in that Bradley was off, offensively at least.  He still put in his normal tour defensively, but his passing lacked the crispness that he normally has.  The official stat was that he completed 81% of his passes, against a normal average of 89% or something like that.  If Bradley can bounce back, and they figure out what to do up top, adding in the injuries to Coentrao and Pepe's red, things look good for the USA's chances.
 
2014-06-17 05:15:08 PM

spawn73: Since you don't seem to think it was a flop, how do you explain Mueller doing the exact opposite when Pepe headbutted him?


Getting really pissed off at someone tends to override any discomfort one is feeling. Also Pepe just about had a fist when he hit Muller in the face. Between intentionally putting his hand around Muller's face and closing his hand up when he hit Muller, he could've been gone for that alone.
 
2014-06-17 05:15:11 PM
Trocadero:

Muller flopped, then Pepe (of all people) decided he didn't like flopping and head butted him.

IKR. The irony there makes one's head explode.

/eh, I wouldn't have given him a red card.
 
2014-06-17 05:16:16 PM

WhyteRaven74: spawn73: Since you don't seem to think it was a flop, how do you explain Mueller doing the exact opposite when Pepe headbutted him?

Getting really pissed off at someone tends to override any discomfort one is feeling. Also Pepe just about had a fist when he hit Muller in the face. Between intentionally putting his hand around Muller's face and closing his hand up when he hit Muller, he could've been gone for that alone.


You must be remember the match from 1922 or something. I didn't see any of that.
 
2014-06-17 05:16:48 PM

worlddan: /eh, I wouldn't have given him a red card.


What he did was so far in the wrong that the referee had no choice. Plus Pepe already has every referee watching him closely thanks to his reputation as a hot head.
 
2014-06-17 05:18:06 PM

balfourk: Via ESPN:

1. Fabio Coentrao, starting LB for Portugal, out for the rest fo the World Cup
2. Hugo Almeida, starting ST for Portugal, can return unknown timetable
3. Rui Patricio, starting GK for Portugal, can return unkown timetable

Those three injury updates combined with Pepe's red card should make me feel better, but I don't. After watching the US team fail to complete 3 passes in a row for 80 straight minutes last night I am still worried about Sunday's match.


Per Portugal's team doctor yesterday Almeida is out at least 10 days. Granted that may have changed but yesterday they weren't exactly thinking he'd be back real fast.
 
2014-06-17 05:21:03 PM
Not gonna lie...Johannsson disappointed me yesterday. They're going to have to change something up with Altidore out, because just swapping those two players didn't work at all.
 
2014-06-17 05:22:14 PM

WhyteRaven74: worlddan: /eh, I wouldn't have given him a red card.

What he did was so far in the wrong that the referee had no choice.


What did he do that was so wrong? Muller clearly flopped and while Pepe had no business going over there and getting in his face the so-called "head butt" was really a "head tap" and clealry incidental contact. This is a case where--as you say--Pepe's reputation did him in and so he didn't get the benefit of the doubt.
 
2014-06-17 05:25:34 PM

WhyteRaven74: worlddan: /eh, I wouldn't have given him a red card.

What he did was so far in the wrong that the referee had no choice. Plus Pepe already has every referee watching him closely thanks to his reputation as a hot head.


You're likely right. As one of my South American co-workers explained to me, it's apparently a specific rule that "aggression away from the ball" such as that displayed by Pepe is an automatic red card.
 
2014-06-17 05:25:36 PM
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2014-06-17 05:26:10 PM

VTGremlin: Not gonna lie...Johannsson disappointed me yesterday. They're going to have to change something up with Altidore out, because just swapping those two players didn't work at all.


balfourk: Those three injury updates combined with Pepe's red card should make me feel better, but I don't. After watching the US team fail to complete 3 passes in a row for 80 straight minutes last night I am still worried about Sunday's match.


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2014-06-17 05:30:41 PM

JayCab: WhyteRaven74: worlddan: /eh, I wouldn't have given him a red card.

What he did was so far in the wrong that the referee had no choice. Plus Pepe already has every referee watching him closely thanks to his reputation as a hot head.

You're likely right. As one of my South American co-workers explained to me, it's apparently a specific rule that "aggression away from the ball" such as that displayed by Pepe is an automatic red card.


http://www.fifa.com/aboutfifa/footballdevelopment/technicalsupport/r ef ereeing/laws-of-the-game/

Maybe you should have you friend read the actual rules because such a rule doesn't exist.
 
2014-06-17 05:31:44 PM
It doesn't matter the previous results of or the talent of the USMNT, there's always a way to ensure that they don't advance.
 
2014-06-17 05:33:51 PM

worlddan: WhyteRaven74: worlddan: /eh, I wouldn't have given him a red card.

What he did was so far in the wrong that the referee had no choice.

What did he do that was so wrong? Muller clearly flopped and while Pepe had no business going over there and getting in his face the so-called "head butt" was really a "head tap" and clealry incidental contact. This is a case where--as you say--Pepe's reputation did him in and so he didn't get the benefit of the doubt.


Intentional "head taps" is a red card. And it was.
 
2014-06-17 05:41:06 PM

worlddan: WhyteRaven74: worlddan: /eh, I wouldn't have given him a red card.

What he did was so far in the wrong that the referee had no choice.

What did he do that was so wrong? Muller clearly flopped and while Pepe had no business going over there and getting in his face the so-called "head butt" was really a "head tap" and clealry incidental contact. This is a case where--as you say--Pepe's reputation did him in and so he didn't get the benefit of the doubt.


It doesn't matter if it was a love tap or a Zidane-style crushing. While it was incidental in terms of it not causing any lasting damage, it was also clearly an intentional act. Muller was on the ground, Pepe was a few yards away from him, and Pepe intentionally walked back over to where Muller was to lean over and put his head in the immediate vicinity of Muller's head. That qualifies it for a red card, period.
 
2014-06-17 05:56:04 PM
Not getting my hopes up for Portugal.   Moutinho outclasses our entire midfield put together.    If we give Portugal as much time around  our goal as we gave Ghana, Ronaldo is going to find the back of the net, and with our midfield  and with Jozy out we don't have the offensive creativity or firepower to keep up.
 
2014-06-17 06:11:40 PM
Im gonna stay hopeful but i would be happy as hell if we can tie both Germany and Portugal at this point.
 
2014-06-17 06:15:08 PM

Car_Ramrod: Man, soccer flopping jokes are so fresh and witty! Thank god people make them in every thread.


Those for-ee-ners need to learn that here in Murica, you don't fake an injury .... .unless you're so fat you have to stop play so you and your teammates can catch your breath.  .
 
2014-06-17 06:15:34 PM

VTGremlin: Not gonna lie...Johannsson disappointed me yesterday. They're going to have to change something up with Altidore out, because just swapping those two players didn't work at all.



 This. Iceman just didn't do it for me. I don't know if it was jitters (probably was) but it looked like he had no business being out there. He was slow, timid, and seemed to lack confidence. Being subbed in like that probably didn't help him either, but he was practically nonexistent.  I would much rather see Wondo or Green, in that order, against Portugal. Wondo is strong enough and can make decent runs at a weakened back line and Green has the pace to cause problems for anyone, especially playing off of Dempsey or Bradley (assuming he can find where his passing game went).
 
2014-06-17 06:17:51 PM
63% chance? A bit surprising since even though with Portugal's issues, they will still be a significant favorite over the US, especially with Altidore out. It will be a tall order for the US to get a point over the next two matches.
 
2014-06-17 06:39:22 PM

twistedwrister: This. Iceman just didn't do it for me. I don't know if it was jitters (probably was) but it looked like he had no business being out there. He was slow, timid, and seemed to lack confidence.


I haven't seen him play enough, but given his frame and what little he did yesterday, he seems more interested in just making runs off the ball instead of being a target man, which is what Jozy, even during his bad spells, can do since he's so big.

If Klinsmann makes no other lineup/formation changes going into the Portugal game, our only offensive chances will come from counter attacks.
 
2014-06-17 06:47:00 PM

TGremlin: Not gonna lie...Johannsson disappointed me yesterday. They're going to have to change something up with Altidore out, because just swapping those two players didn't work at all.

 
To be fair, his style is totally different than Altidore's, and they didn't really have time to practice a new gameplan. He didn't look like a world-beater, and I'm sure jitters played a part too, but I'm confident he will look better against Portugal.
 
2014-06-17 07:01:36 PM
My call: 2nd will go to the team that loses to Germany the least.
/ Only half joking. I call that USA-POR-GHA all finish with 3pts.
 
2014-06-17 07:23:47 PM

Krustofsky: 63% chance? A bit surprising since even though with Portugal's issues, they will still be a significant favorite over the US, especially with Altidore out. It will be a tall order for the US to get a point over the next two matches.


yeah, but the odds of them winning is still less than the odds of them not winning - a tie is as good as a win for the u.s. at this point.  Presuming Germany beats Ghana, the us is sitting pretty from a goal differential standpoint at 4points.
 
2014-06-17 07:35:47 PM

Krustofsky: 63% chance? A bit surprising since even though with Portugal's issues, they will still be a significant favorite over the US, especially with Altidore out. It will be a tall order for the US to get a point over the next two matches.


538 reran the numbers after yesterday's matches and Portugal's no longer as heavy of a favorite as they were coming in.  They were 42% to win before the opening matches and are now only 36% to win (with the US at 35%).  That leaves the US with a 64% chance of earning a point, which should be enough to advance (not a guarantee, but close).
 
2014-06-17 07:39:36 PM

worlddan: WhyteRaven74: worlddan: /eh, I wouldn't have given him a red card.

What he did was so far in the wrong that the referee had no choice.

What did he do that was so wrong? Muller clearly flopped and while Pepe had no business going over there and getting in his face the so-called "head butt" was really a "head tap" and clealry incidental contact. This is a case where--as you say--Pepe's reputation did him in and so he didn't get the benefit of the doubt.


You strike with your head away from the ball?  Yeah, you're getting a red card.  I don't see how you could POSSIBLY call that incidental.  Mueller was sitting on the ground.  How do you incidentally smack your head against his when you have to bend down below your waist to do it? What do you think Pepe was doing? Trying to snuggle?

i.cbc.ca
 
2014-06-17 07:41:11 PM

InmanRoshi: Car_Ramrod: Man, soccer flopping jokes are so fresh and witty! Thank god people make them in every thread.

Those for-ee-ners need to learn that here in Murica, you don't fake an injury .... .unless you're so fat you have to stop play so you and your teammates can catch your breath.  .


Found the bigot.
 
2014-06-17 07:43:07 PM

Palmer Eldritch: TGremlin: Not gonna lie...Johannsson disappointed me yesterday. They're going to have to change something up with Altidore out, because just swapping those two players didn't work at all.
 
To be fair, his style is totally different than Altidore's, and they didn't really have time to practice a new gameplan. He didn't look like a world-beater, and I'm sure jitters played a part too, but I'm confident he will look better against Portugal.


Five midfielders, perhaps?
 
2014-06-17 08:02:31 PM
What's getting overlooked is Portugal doesn't have a lot of depth. When your roster is filled with players who ride the bench for their club teams, yeah good luck.
 
2014-06-17 08:06:35 PM
Wish Donovan was on the team
 
2014-06-17 08:11:52 PM

WhyteRaven74: What's getting overlooked is Portugal doesn't have a lot of depth. When your roster is filled with players who ride the bench for their club teams, yeah good luck.


Hey, Nani is absolutely world-class at wasting glorious scoring opportunities, useless dribbling, and displaying a stunning lack of self-awareness.
 
2014-06-17 08:18:51 PM

Killer Cars: Hey, Nani is absolutely world-class at wasting glorious scoring opportunities, useless dribbling, and displaying a stunning lack of self-awareness.


* golf clap*
 
2014-06-17 08:20:07 PM

Killer Cars: WhyteRaven74: What's getting overlooked is Portugal doesn't have a lot of depth. When your roster is filled with players who ride the bench for their club teams, yeah good luck.

Hey, Nani is absolutely world-class at wasting glorious scoring opportunities, useless dribbling, and displaying a stunning lack of self-awareness.


A veritable Portuguese Rooney!
 
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