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(International Business Times)   Despite being the most expensive, the US has been ranked as having the worst healthcare in the entire developed world   (ibtimes.co.uk) divider line 244
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2014-06-17 10:23:21 AM  
Well, yeah. What do you expect, since the government got involved with it?

The VA for everybody! Thanks, Obama.
 
2014-06-17 10:26:20 AM  
That's because we already have socialized medicine, it's just that it's a total clusterfark.

Say I have no insurance, get into a car wreck and have to be lifeflighted, several surgeries.  I rack up a million dollars in medical debt.  Yeah, I'm not going to be paying that, not even going to try, not sending a single cent.  I'll BK out of it, anyone in their right mind would.  That cost gets absorbed, we all pay more and that strain on the convoluted system we have drags down the quality of care.
 
2014-06-17 10:27:30 AM  
Ripped from the pages of "Duh Magazine."
 
2014-06-17 10:44:09 AM  

i.chzbgr.com

 
2014-06-17 10:53:39 AM  
Just anoint your wound with eagle tears, bind in it Bible pages and run over with with a Silverado!
 
2014-06-17 10:53:40 AM  

Gonz: Well, yeah. What do you expect, since the government got involved with it?

The VA for everybody! Thanks, Obama.



You know how I know you're an idiot?

FTFA: "The reports notes that the date for this year's survey was collected before President Barack Obama introduced Affordable Care Act, the so-call 'Obamacare', into the country."
 
2014-06-17 11:11:44 AM  
Yeah, but our Freedom is 110% free.
 
2014-06-17 11:15:35 AM  
This year, its healthcare has been praised for offering "universal coverage with low out-of-pocket costs while maintaining quick access to specialty services".

lol wut?

You know it's bad why a socialist website is knocking your state provided healthcare.

And yes I did try to pick the farthest left website I could find.
 
2014-06-17 11:23:30 AM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: This year, its healthcare has been praised for offering "universal coverage with low out-of-pocket costs while maintaining quick access to specialty services".

lol wut?

You know it's bad why a socialist website is knocking your state provided healthcare.

And yes I did try to pick the farthest left website I could find.



Gee, I wonder why?

The ever-growing waiting lists for medical treatments, surgical operations and other diagnostic investigations is a product of the systematic attacks on NHS carried out by successive governments. The previous Labour government first advocated an unprecedented £20 billion "efficiency savings" in the NHS by 2015, which the current Conservative and Liberal Democrat coalition government set about implementing with a 20 percent cut to the NHS budget.
 
2014-06-17 11:38:17 AM  
A list made by the NHS states they are number 1, big surprise. Listing Netherlands, Germany, and France, all countries the NHS sends people to for treatment because of the failures of the NHS makes the whole report nothing more than a PR stunt. The Netherlands, Germany and France are all countries that provide services that are so far above in terms of money, time, and quality above the NHS that the NHS should not even be on the list. Putting the US at the bottom of the list was a given simply because of the flawed model being used to deliver healthcare in the US
 
2014-06-17 11:39:04 AM  
That's why I get all my healthcare from third-world countries.
 
2014-06-17 11:46:26 AM  

Chris Ween: [i.chzbgr.com image 450x300]


LOLWUT
 
2014-06-17 12:05:26 PM  
Interesting that when health shiate gets real the international wealthy folks check into US hospitals.
 
2014-06-17 12:08:45 PM  

IamKaiserSoze!!!: Interesting that when health shiate gets real the international wealthy folks check into US hospitals.


Only if you're simpleton
 
2014-06-17 12:09:18 PM  
Remember how the health care data released by the VA lied about how quickly patients were examined by doctors?  Remember about all the fraud associated with the health data the VA released?

Where do you think this study got its health care data about the NHS, who owns and very tightly controls their health care data?  From the NHS.

None of the data coming from government-run health care systems is true.  None of this data is remotely accurate.  It is all very tightly controlled and embellished and massaged to make the government look good.  If they have to use secret wait lists, they will.

It is much harder to fudge the numbers in the USA, where there are thousands of various private health agencies - be they insurers or hospitals or doctors.

Look, there is no way those numbers in this study from the UK or switzerland or any other government-run health care country are even remotely close to accurate.  so this study is pretty much useless.
 
2014-06-17 12:34:42 PM  
What I find interesting is that the UK, the country with the most nationalized and socialistic form of health care, not only ranks #1 overall, but has the shortest wait times, which is always talking point #1 when it comes to opposing socialized health care.
 
2014-06-17 12:34:43 PM  
It seems the 'invisible hand' of the market is wearing a latex glove and lube...
 
2014-06-17 12:57:55 PM  
It's a microcosm of a larger point I make to conservatives:

Nearly every major country in the EU has a higher tax burden than us, higher wages, higher cost of living, and exponentially more government/nationalized services.

Yet they spend less per capita on all of those than we do on our minuscule services.

Explain that please.
 
2014-06-17 12:59:11 PM  

SlothB77: so this study is pretty much useless.


Well the headline sounds good. And as this thread proves that's all most people read.
 
2014-06-17 01:02:52 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: SlothB77: so this study is pretty much useless.

Well the headline sounds good. And as this thread proves that's all most people read.


Yet the right will gulp down whatever business tells them without thinking and without a bit of irony. Funny how that works
 
2014-06-17 01:04:32 PM  

IamKaiserSoze!!!: Interesting that when health shiate gets real the international wealthy folks check into US hospitals.


What the rich can buy may be interesting, but it's not really important to most people. Can you get an exam? Can you afford your medicine? Those things are what most people care about.
 
2014-06-17 01:18:45 PM  
NHS? Those are the bastards who killed Stephen Hawking!
 
2014-06-17 01:23:35 PM  

Peter von Nostrand: Yet the right will gulp down whatever business tells them without thinking and without a bit of irony. Funny how that works


huh?

The NHS is now big business and DamnYankees is now the right?!


How twisted do you need to be to have that view?
 
2014-06-17 01:29:32 PM  
BWAHAHAHAHA USA #11 on the list, HA what a bunch of losers, ha ha hee-

*sees Canada ranked #10*


Ohh...


mojoimage.com
 
2014-06-17 01:45:50 PM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: It's a microcosm of a larger point I make to conservatives:

Nearly every major country in the EU has a higher tax burden than us, higher wages, higher cost of living, and exponentially more government/nationalized services.

Yet they spend less per capita on all of those than we do on our minuscule services.

Explain that please.



f you want to pull your hair out, if the US consumption taxes are included with income tax in the comparison with the EU tax rates for the average wage earner at $65,000 a year the slight difference in total rate and is within 3%. The benefits and services provided compared shows the US just does not deliver anything close to citizens that Europe is able to deliver.  The big difference in tax rate does not come into play to a great divide until the yearly income is above 1,000,000 a year then the US is much cheaper. The difference is people making over a million a year have lobbyists and are represented well in government decisions. If the tax code was changed only on incomes over 1,000,000 a year the US could have universal health insurance coverage paid for.
 
2014-06-17 01:52:42 PM  
Obvious tag being sued for malpractice again?
 
2014-06-17 01:55:08 PM  

SlothB77: Remember how the health care data released by the VA lied about how quickly patients were examined by doctors?  Remember about all the fraud associated with the health data the VA released?

Where do you think this study got its health care data about the NHS, who owns and very tightly controls their health care data?  From the NHS.

None of the data coming from government-run health care systems is true.  None of this data is remotely accurate.  It is all very tightly controlled and embellished and massaged to make the government look good.  If they have to use secret wait lists, they will.

It is much harder to fudge the numbers in the USA, where there are thousands of various private health agencies - be they insurers or hospitals or doctors.

Look, there is no way those numbers in this study from the UK or switzerland or any other government-run health care country are even remotely close to accurate.  so this study is pretty much useless.


Do you have any farking clue what Switzerland does with their health care and insurance industries?
 
2014-06-17 01:55:14 PM  
You mean a bunch of rent-seeking, profit-lusting corporations don't run their businesses in the interest of their "customers"? THE HELL YOU SAY!

Srsly, everybody knows this as data about US healthcare costs vs other developed countries with single payer/tightly regulated healthcare have been out there for decades. Reams and reams of evidence for all to see. And yet, morons in the US talk about it as if it's just hypothetical and would lead to much worse care. Again, they're morons.
 
2014-06-17 01:55:14 PM  
I have an idea: let's add 30,000,000 people to the rolls of the insured, but not add a single doctor. That'll bring the price down.
 
2014-06-17 01:56:07 PM  
USA! USA! USA! USA!
 
2014-06-17 01:56:38 PM  
Like everything else in this Oligarchy we call the United States of America, it's the best healthcare if you have money, but yeah, it's the worst for the rest of us.
 
2014-06-17 01:56:50 PM  
I got a phishing alert from my antivirus when I went to that page. What's that shiat about?!
 
2014-06-17 01:58:16 PM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: It's a microcosm of a larger point I make to conservatives:

Nearly every major country in the EU has a higher tax burden than us, higher wages, higher cost of living, and exponentially more government/nationalized services.

Yet they spend less per capita on all of those than we do on our minuscule services.

Explain that please.


Not a proponent of the status quo, but I believe the logic is "It's more important to be 'American' than 'good.'"
 
2014-06-17 01:58:20 PM  
You are supposed to go into massive, crippling debt to get medically treated. Just like Jesus wanted.
 
2014-06-17 01:58:32 PM  

SlothB77: Remember how the health care data released by the VA lied about how quickly patients were examined by doctors?  Remember about all the fraud associated with the health data the VA released?

Where do you think this study got its health care data about the NHS, who owns and very tightly controls their health care data?  From the NHS.

None of the data coming from government-run health care systems is true.  None of this data is remotely accurate.  It is all very tightly controlled and embellished and massaged to make the government look good.  If they have to use secret wait lists, they will.

It is much harder to fudge the numbers in the USA, where there are thousands of various private health agencies - be they insurers or hospitals or doctors.

Look, there is no way those numbers in this study from the UK or switzerland or any other government-run health care country are even remotely close to accurate.  so this study is pretty much useless.


None of the data coming out that SlothB77 isn't a cross dresser who beats off to preggo porn with mayonnaise as a lubricant.  The data gathered will all be tightly controlled and embellished and massaged to make him look like a regular person.
 
2014-06-17 01:59:11 PM  
The lack of transparency by design is the worst part.  There's no comparison shopping, you often only get a bill many months after surgery, on and on, a huge system of middle men designed to extract the maximum dollar from each patient.
 
2014-06-17 01:59:31 PM  

gopher321: BWAHAHAHAHA USA #11 on the list, HA what a bunch of losers, ha ha hee-

*sees Canada ranked #10*


Ohh...


[mojoimage.com image 198x154]


At least you're in the Top 10.
 
2014-06-17 01:59:53 PM  

nekom: That's because we already have socialized medicine, it's just that it's a total clusterfark.

Say I have no insurance, get into a car wreck and have to be lifeflighted, several surgeries.  I rack up a million dollars in medical debt.  Yeah, I'm not going to be paying that, not even going to try, not sending a single cent.  I'll BK out of it, anyone in their right mind would.  That cost gets absorbed, we all pay more and that strain on the convoluted system we have drags down the quality of care.


This is so true.  And I'm quite sure that is the reason that Obama Care became a reality.  The thinking is, the tax payers are paying for all of the uninsured people.  It's time to MAKE people pay for insurance to lighten the burden on the taxpayers.  In case anyone missed it, that was they whole point. (over simplified).

But the REAL problem we have here is that medical care is considered a business 1st, and a necessity 2nd.  This is why you go to the doctor, and get charged.  Then they tell you to come back, and get charged again, even though it's for the same thing, and they just want to follow up.  They make more money that way.  Again, oversimplified.  But it happens.
And let's not forget about the ridiculous charges that get thrown on to every hospital visit.  Whether you request them or not, you get billed $1000's for tests that may not have been necessary, or sometimes, not even performed.  And that's just one of a gazillion things.  And it costs everyone.  The doctors are happy though.
 
2014-06-17 02:00:04 PM  

Gonz: Well, yeah. What do you expect, since the government got involved with it?

The VA for everybody! Thanks, Obama.


Cubans live longer than Americans.
They have completely socialized medicine.
They not only spend less on health care than we do, they spend a smaller PORTION of their economy on health care.

It will be interesting to see how much the ACA helps. It couldn't make it worse.

Single payer is the way to go, obviously.
 
2014-06-17 02:00:25 PM  
Flappyhead:
None of the data coming out that SlothB77 isn't a cross dresser who beats off to preggo porn with mayonnaise as a lubricant can be trusted.  The data gathered will all be tightly controlled and embellished and massaged to make him look like a regular person.

FTFM.  Shoulda previewed.
 
2014-06-17 02:00:26 PM  
There's a YouTube channel called Healthcare Triage which I recommend for everyone. They have an ongoing series comparing healthcare systems around the world, along with other informational content.

Singapore
England
France
Canada
United States

=Smidge=
/No affiliation
//Vlogbrothers endorsed, though
 
2014-06-17 02:00:35 PM  

SlothB77: Remember how the health care data released by the VA lied about how quickly patients were examined by doctors?  Remember about all the fraud associated with the health data the VA released?

Where do you think this study got its health care data about the NHS, who owns and very tightly controls their health care data?  From the NHS.

None of the data coming from government-run health care systems is true.  None of this data is remotely accurate.  It is all very tightly controlled and embellished and massaged to make the government look good.  If they have to use secret wait lists, they will.

It is much harder to fudge the numbers in the USA, where there are thousands of various private health agencies - be they insurers or hospitals or doctors.

Look, there is no way those numbers in this study from the UK or switzerland or any other government-run health care country are even remotely close to accurate.  so this study is pretty much useless.


I'm sure you have a lot of solid evidence to back up all those facts.
 
2014-06-17 02:00:41 PM  

DamnYankees: What I find interesting is that the UK, the country with the most nationalized and socialistic form of health care, not only ranks #1 overall, but has the shortest wait times, which is always talking point #1 when it comes to opposing socialized health care.


I'm sure this thread is going to denvolve into derp, but you should really be skeptical of these numbers even if you are on-board with NHS.

It's like the NYC cops a few years ago.  Is crime down?  "Waaaaay down. The numbers are fantastic."

Have you thrown the constitution out the window to harass large numbers of law-abiding black people?  "Gotta go."
 
2014-06-17 02:01:34 PM  
Yes, this report is from a very objective source.
http://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/annual-report-essays/20 10 /jun/building-a-foundation-for-health-reform

"The Commonwealth Fund marshaled its resources this year to produce timely and rigorous work that helped lay the groundwork for the historic Affordable Care Act, signed by President Obama in March 2010."

Maybe next time get a second opinion from George Soros and the DNC.
 
2014-06-17 02:01:48 PM  

Sin_City_Superhero: That's why I get all my healthcare from third-world countries.


UMC?
 
2014-06-17 02:02:03 PM  
I'm going to get rich designing an App where people can shop for the cheapest healthcare from their smart phone while they're laying in a pool of blood while pinned under their overturned SUV.

Free market FTW!!!
 
2014-06-17 02:02:08 PM  
Maybe soon we can drop the whole "developed" descriptor when talking about the US. Save us some pixels and some undeserved pride.
 
2014-06-17 02:02:37 PM  
Man, where I live, the running joke here is if you go to the local hospital your chances of surviving go down!
 
2014-06-17 02:04:01 PM  
The single biggest problem with American health care is structural, not economic. Our hub and spoke system of primary care physician (hub)---specialists (spoke) is badly broken. There is no penalty for a misdiagnosis. I recently came across this case study which summarizes so well what is wrong.

 http://www.grastontechnique.com/file/sites|*|86|*|EDGE-Archives|*|DC s|*|Peroneal-Nerve-Entrapment-Induced-With-Ex ercise.pdf

Initial differential diagnosis included multiple sclerosis. Her case was being managed by her internist and a neurologist. Initial diagnostic work-up occurred prior to the examination and included lower extremity EMG/NCV testing, head CT, brain MRI, cervical spine MRI, lumbar MRI, right knee MRI and EEC.

Any idea how much all those tests costs? To solve a problem with orthopedics. Incredible. Just simply farking incredible. Three MRI's, a CAT scan, complete nerve testing and the physical therapist fixed the problem with better shoes!!!
 
2014-06-17 02:04:45 PM  

occrider: Gonz: Well, yeah. What do you expect, since the government got involved with it?

The VA for everybody! Thanks, Obama.


You know how I know you're an idiot?



I know you're an idiot for answering an idiot.

Of course USA is last.
 
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