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(Washington Post)   There's a simple explanation for how Lois Lerner's emails got lost. Well, maybe not simple but an explanation nonetheless   (washingtonpost.com ) divider line
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2014-06-17 10:44:49 AM  
Simplicity doesn't matter; truthfulness does.

That being said, this is a witch hunt, and some folks have got the idea she looks a bit witchy, especially around the nose area.
 
2014-06-17 10:49:26 AM  

incendi: Simplicity doesn't matter; truthfulness does.

That being said, this is a witch hunt, and some folks have got the idea she looks a bit witchy, especially around the nose area.


She turned me into a newt!
 
2014-06-17 11:08:24 AM  
Who the fark is Lois Lerner and why does anyone care about her emails?
 
2014-06-17 11:19:36 AM  
Oh man. I HATED backing up email. We would get a notice to do it every few months and it took f o r e v e r.

James!: Who the fark is Lois Lerner and why does anyone care about her emails?


She's that poor woman who had just taken over as head of Exemptions when the IRS "scandal" broke and had to fall on her sword.
 
2014-06-17 11:24:13 AM  

ginandbacon: Oh man. I HATED backing up email. We would get a notice to do it every few months and it took f o r e v e r.

James!: Who the fark is Lois Lerner and why does anyone care about her emails?

She's that poor woman who had just taken over as head of Exemptions when the IRS "scandal" broke and had to fall on her sword.


Is that one of those "scandals" that's so old and dead that it has to be explained from the beginning every time it comes up?
 
2014-06-17 11:32:35 AM  

James!: ginandbacon: Oh man. I HATED backing up email. We would get a notice to do it every few months and it took f o r e v e r.

James!: Who the fark is Lois Lerner and why does anyone care about her emails?

She's that poor woman who had just taken over as head of Exemptions when the IRS "scandal" broke and had to fall on her sword.

Is that one of those "scandals" that's so old and dead that it has to be explained from the beginning every time it comes up?


Yes, unless you're a RWNJ.
 
2014-06-17 11:52:01 AM  
As a systems administrator with some minor experience in handling email archiving, I can believe that entire archives of important emails could be lost, even with a records retention policy in place.

Whether such a scenario is believable at the Internal Revenue Service depends upon the email system used and the archival methods employed.
 
2014-06-17 12:01:43 PM  

James!: Is that one of those "scandals" that's so old and dead that it has to be explained from the beginning every time it comes up?


Yes, many times and in many ways.
 
2014-06-17 12:20:37 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: James!: Is that one of those "scandals" that's so old and dead that it has to be explained from the beginning every time it comes up?

Yes, many times and in many ways.


Lois Lerner's explanation is somewhat lacking.
 
2014-06-17 12:20:42 PM  

Dimensio: As a systems administrator with some minor experience in handling email archiving, I can believe that entire archives of important emails could be lost, even with a records retention policy in place.

Whether such a scenario is believable at the Internal Revenue Service depends upon the email system used and the archival methods employed.


Considering government IT, the process probably includes having monks transcribe the emails onto vellum.
 
2014-06-17 12:22:14 PM  

James!: ginandbacon: Oh man. I HATED backing up email. We would get a notice to do it every few months and it took f o r e v e r.

James!: Who the fark is Lois Lerner and why does anyone care about her emails?

She's that poor woman who had just taken over as head of Exemptions when the IRS "scandal" broke and had to fall on her sword.

Is that one of those "scandals" that's so old and dead that it has to be explained from the beginning every time it comes up?


It's one of those "scandals" that would only be a scandal if a R was in office. Since it's a D in office, it's not a scandal.
 
2014-06-17 12:22:32 PM  

James!: ginandbacon: Oh man. I HATED backing up email. We would get a notice to do it every few months and it took f o r e v e r.

James!: Who the fark is Lois Lerner and why does anyone care about her emails?

She's that poor woman who had just taken over as head of Exemptions when the IRS "scandal" broke and had to fall on her sword.

Is that one of those "scandals" that's so old and dead that it has to be explained from the beginning every time it comes up?


It's a horrific scandal in which the nation shockingly discovered that some people employed by the IRS showed up to work and did their jobs.
 
2014-06-17 12:22:56 PM  

ArkPanda: Dimensio: As a systems administrator with some minor experience in handling email archiving, I can believe that entire archives of important emails could be lost, even with a records retention policy in place.

Whether such a scenario is believable at the Internal Revenue Service depends upon the email system used and the archival methods employed.

Considering government IT, the process probably includes having monks transcribe the emails onto vellum.


That high-tech and efficient? Don't be silly.

They're chiseling the raw bits into marble slabs.
 
2014-06-17 12:22:57 PM  
fta In 2011, Lerner's computer crashed. She requested that the IRS' information technology division try and recover the data from her hard drive. It was unable to do so, and it appears that individual machines like hers weren't backed up.

Crashghazi?
 
2014-06-17 12:23:51 PM  
I guess never be too quick to attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity.
 
2014-06-17 12:24:41 PM  

incendi: Simplicity doesn't matter; truthfulness does.

That being said, this is a witch hunt, and some folks have got the idea she looks a bit witchy, especially around the nose area.


Bad move lib, calling it a witch hunt. As Rep. Pete Sessions said, "that must mean that there's a witch somewhere."
 
2014-06-17 12:24:52 PM  

ArkPanda: Dimensio: As a systems administrator with some minor experience in handling email archiving, I can believe that entire archives of important emails could be lost, even with a records retention policy in place.

Whether such a scenario is believable at the Internal Revenue Service depends upon the email system used and the archival methods employed.

Considering government IT, the process probably includes having monks transcribe the emails onto vellum.


I was thinking ancient Egyptian slaves scrawling them on papyrus myself.
 
2014-06-17 12:26:44 PM  

James!: ginandbacon: Oh man. I HATED backing up email. We would get a notice to do it every few months and it took f o r e v e r.

James!: Who the fark is Lois Lerner and why does anyone care about her emails?

She's that poor woman who had just taken over as head of Exemptions when the IRS "scandal" broke and had to fall on her sword.

Is that one of those "scandals" that's so old and dead that it has to be explained from the beginning every time it comes up?


The 'scandal' is that the IRS did its job and applied extra scrutiny to groups applying for a tax-exempt status that required them to limit their political activities. This was applied on both sides of the political spectrum, but Darrell Issa and co. tried to twist the facts to pretend that only right-wing groups were scrutinized. And this is somehow the WORST THING EVER, despite the fact that A: none of the right-wing groups were denied, and B: Several of the groups in question, as it turns out, SHOULD have been denied, as they broke the rules.
 
2014-06-17 12:27:51 PM  
I was a computer geek for the Marines, and this is exactly how our emails systems worked there as well.  You had a set limit of megabytes you could store on the server, and when you got more pictures of naked women than that on our servers you either had to delete them or more them to a file on your own computer.  Explaining to officers how to create a pst and the need to not put anything on it you wouldn't be willing to see go *POOF* was a daily occurrence.

And while I'm sure she left any truly important emails on the servers, I'm also sure that the republicans have already looked for them and decided the lack of mention in them of a grand conspiracy to hide the fact that the tea party existed from the general populace simply proved that such a conspiracy did in fact occur.
 
2014-06-17 12:27:54 PM  
You know when I first heard about this "scandal". This first thing that came to my mind is; "I bet they had a data limit and forced everyone to use PST files to store emails past the limit"


And for backups of the entire database, I deal with 200 users. Between now and 2010 there are 160 gigabytes of emails. I could only imagine how much the IRS could generate in a day.
 
2014-06-17 12:29:43 PM  
anyone who doesn't swallow this, hook, line and sinker, is a racist.
 
2014-06-17 12:30:07 PM  
The real problem here is that with the loss of the Lerner e-mails we'll never get to the bottom of Benghazi.
 
2014-06-17 12:30:12 PM  

Cletus C.: Lionel Mandrake: James!: Is that one of those "scandals" that's so old and dead that it has to be explained from the beginning every time it comes up?

Yes, many times and in many ways.

Lois Lerner's explanation is somewhat lacking.


1. It's not her explanation, it's the IRS'. She herself is keeping quite mum on everything related to this witch-hunt.
2. You obviously have no idea how IT works, or how government IT works (possibly both). Having worked in both fields, this scenario is so plausible it makes me weep for the next case that exposes how sieve-like these "retention policies" are (anything that relies on user action is doomed to fail).
 
2014-06-17 12:31:39 PM  
Derposphere: No matter what she says, let's execute her for a treasonous subversion of the democratic process (ie - possibly scrutinizing shady soft money organizations for whackjob candidates)

Lerner: Yeah... I'm not saying a goddamn word to you scandal-mongers.

Derposphere: Chessmate, Libtards
 
2014-06-17 12:33:17 PM  

Epic Fap Session: Derposphere: No matter what she says, let's execute her for a treasonous subversion of the democratic process (ie - possibly scrutinizing shady soft money organizations for whackjob candidates)

Lerner: Yeah... I'm not saying a goddamn word to you scandal-mongers.

Derposphere: Chessmate, Libtards


Pleading the Fifth is just as good as a confession! It's only in the Constitution to trick criminals into confessing.
 
2014-06-17 12:34:05 PM  

Serious Black: ArkPanda: Dimensio: As a systems administrator with some minor experience in handling email archiving, I can believe that entire archives of important emails could be lost, even with a records retention policy in place.

Whether such a scenario is believable at the Internal Revenue Service depends upon the email system used and the archival methods employed.

Considering government IT, the process probably includes having monks transcribe the emails onto vellum.

I was thinking ancient Egyptian slaves scrawling them on papyrus myself.


Hebrew Egyptian slaves?
 
2014-06-17 12:34:11 PM  

Karac: I was a computer geek for the Marines, and this is exactly how our emails systems worked there as well.  You had a set limit of megabytes you could store on the server, and when you got more pictures of naked women than that on our servers you either had to delete them or more them to a file on your own computer.  Explaining to officers how to create a pst and the need to not put anything on it you wouldn't be willing to see go *POOF* was a daily occurrence.

And while I'm sure she left any truly important emails on the servers, I'm also sure that the republicans have already looked for them and decided the lack of mention in them of a grand conspiracy to hide the fact that the tea party existed from the general populace simply proved that such a conspiracy did in fact occur.


Yeah, this is not anything surprising.  This kind of stuff happens every day all over the world.  Sounds like Outlook/Exchange using Outlook Data Files (Archives).  If those are kept on a local machine and that machine tanks, there go your emails, plain and simple.
 
2014-06-17 12:34:59 PM  
Now, obviously she should've set up an email server through the DNC and used that to conduct official business. Republicans don't have any problems with people doing that.
 
2014-06-17 12:35:26 PM  

LordJiro: Epic Fap Session: Derposphere: No matter what she says, let's execute her for a treasonous subversion of the democratic process (ie - possibly scrutinizing shady soft money organizations for whackjob candidates)

Lerner: Yeah... I'm not saying a goddamn word to you scandal-mongers.

Derposphere: Chessmate, Libtards

Pleading the Fifth is just as good as a confession! It's only in the Constitution to trick criminals into confessing.


So, please explain to the class why a public official doing a public sector job would invoke the 5th when being questioned by congress about her job.
 
2014-06-17 12:37:15 PM  
Is the GOP crying, "Wolf!" again?

I've lost count at this point... Don't even bother listening to their spittle-flecked rants anymore, to be honest.
 
2014-06-17 12:37:54 PM  

Dr Dreidel: Cletus C.: Lionel Mandrake: James!: Is that one of those "scandals" that's so old and dead that it has to be explained from the beginning every time it comes up?

Yes, many times and in many ways.

Lois Lerner's explanation is somewhat lacking.

1. It's not her explanation, it's the IRS'. She herself is keeping quite mum on everything related to this witch-hunt.
2. You obviously have no idea how IT works, or how government IT works (possibly both). Having worked in both fields, this scenario is so plausible it makes me weep for the next case that exposes how sieve-like these "retention policies" are (anything that relies on user action is doomed to fail).


Yah, her pleading the Fifth is what I'm referencing. That nifty "don't want to incriminate myself" move gives this thing life. The "oops, lost my emails," just adds fuel, explainable or not.
 
2014-06-17 12:38:12 PM  

Satan's Superfluous Nipple: So, please explain to the class why a public official doing a public sector job would invoke the 5th when being questioned by congress about her job.


I'm guessing you have no idea how Kafkaesque you sound.
 
2014-06-17 12:38:25 PM  

colon_pow: anyone who doesn't swallow this, hook, line and sinker, is a racist.


You sound oppressed.
 
2014-06-17 12:38:40 PM  
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RIP Lerners.
 
2014-06-17 12:38:51 PM  
I heard that Michelle Obama tricked some kids into believing the emails were vegetables and made them eat them all. When they were finished, she tossed up a West Side gang sign and shouted "Benghazi, biatches." Our children deserve better.
 
2014-06-17 12:39:13 PM  

Satan's Superfluous Nipple: James!: ginandbacon: Oh man. I HATED backing up email. We would get a notice to do it every few months and it took f o r e v e r.

James!: Who the fark is Lois Lerner and why does anyone care about her emails?

She's that poor woman who had just taken over as head of Exemptions when the IRS "scandal" broke and had to fall on her sword.

Is that one of those "scandals" that's so old and dead that it has to be explained from the beginning every time it comes up?

It's one of those "scandals" that would only be a scandal if a R was in office. Since it's a D in office, it's not a scandal.


Oh you unfortunate dear.
 
2014-06-17 12:41:00 PM  

Satan's Superfluous Nipple: LordJiro: Epic Fap Session: Derposphere: No matter what she says, let's execute her for a treasonous subversion of the democratic process (ie - possibly scrutinizing shady soft money organizations for whackjob candidates)

Lerner: Yeah... I'm not saying a goddamn word to you scandal-mongers.

Derposphere: Chessmate, Libtards

Pleading the Fifth is just as good as a confession! It's only in the Constitution to trick criminals into confessing.

So, please explain to the class why a public official doing a public sector job would invoke the 5th when being questioned by congress about her job.


Please explain to the class why a citizen would purchase a firearm when they didn't need it for hunting or protection.

/Oh yeah, because it's their  right.
 
2014-06-17 12:41:13 PM  

Cletus C.: Lionel Mandrake: James!: Is that one of those "scandals" that's so old and dead that it has to be explained from the beginning every time it comes up?

Yes, many times and in many ways.

Lois Lerner's explanation is somewhat lacking.


There's enough to call this BS even without considering Ms Lerner.
 
2014-06-17 12:43:59 PM  
I'm a little bit surprised that there wasn't some sort of policy for printing out "important" emails when they exceeded the backup time/space limitations.  Even if they had a "green/paperless office" policy, it seems very un-government like to just wholly depend on tech vs. paper.
 
2014-06-17 12:44:27 PM  

Satan's Superfluous Nipple: It's one of those "scandals" that would only be a scandal if a R was in office. Since it's a D in office, it's not a scandal Sorry, I haven't been paying attention to U.S. national politics news since 1992, so I hope you won't mind if I just make up some shiat.


Fixed that for ya
 
2014-06-17 12:45:13 PM  

Doctor Funkenstein: I heard that Michelle Obama tricked some kids into believing the emails were vegetables and made them eat them all. When they were finished, she tossed up a West Side gang sign and shouted "Benghazi, biatches." Our children deserve better.


I believe everything you said until the last sentence.
 
2014-06-17 12:46:31 PM  

wxboy: I'm a little bit surprised that there wasn't some sort of policy for printing out "important" emails when they exceeded the backup time/space limitations.  Even if they had a "green/paperless office" policy, it seems very un-government like to just wholly depend on tech vs. paper.


Uh.....there is a policy for that.

FTA: "Emails considered an "official record" of the IRS couldn't be deleted and, in fact, needed to also have a hard copy filed. Those emails that constitute an official record are ones that are loosely defined under IRS policyas ones that were "[c]reated or received in the transaction of agency business," "appropriate for preservation as evidence of the government's function or activities," or "valuable because of the information they contain". The letter sent to the senators suggests that it was up to the user to determine what emails met those standards. It's not clear if Lerner had any hard copies of important emails. "
 
2014-06-17 12:47:36 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: Cletus C.: Lionel Mandrake: James!: Is that one of those "scandals" that's so old and dead that it has to be explained from the beginning every time it comes up?

Yes, many times and in many ways.

Lois Lerner's explanation is somewhat lacking.

There's enough to call this BS even without considering Ms Lerner.


Of course there is. And she doesn't look the least bit suspicious, constitutional rights and all that.
 
2014-06-17 12:49:32 PM  

The_Six_Fingered_Man: wxboy: I'm a little bit surprised that there wasn't some sort of policy for printing out "important" emails when they exceeded the backup time/space limitations. Even if they had a "green/paperless office" policy, it seems very un-government like to just wholly depend on tech vs. paper.

Uh.....there is a policy for that.


I knew I must have missed something.  No government agency would take that sort of chance willingly.
 
2014-06-17 12:50:42 PM  

Cletus C.: Lionel Mandrake: James!: Is that one of those "scandals" that's so old and dead that it has to be explained from the beginning every time it comes up?

Yes, many times and in many ways.

Lois Lerner's explanation is somewhat lacking.


But she does helpfully mention her exec assistant getting her emails. No word whether the IRS checked there yet.
 
2014-06-17 12:54:41 PM  
Oh, please.  Just call the NSA -- they'll have copies of all of them.
 
2014-06-17 12:58:40 PM  

Cletus C.: Lionel Mandrake: Cletus C.: Lionel Mandrake: James!: Is that one of those "scandals" that's so old and dead that it has to be explained from the beginning every time it comes up?

Yes, many times and in many ways.

Lois Lerner's explanation is somewhat lacking.

There's enough to call this BS even without considering Ms Lerner.

Of course there is. And she doesn't look the least bit suspicious, constitutional rights and all that.


I'm glad you agree.  Fake scandal is fake.
 
2014-06-17 01:01:16 PM  

Satan's Superfluous Nipple: So, please explain to the class why a public official doing a public sector job would invoke the 5th when being questioned by congress about her job.


Because the congressmen in question have already decided her guilt?  And that if she answered anything they'd eventually find some tiny little detail she misremembered and try to get her sent to prison on a perjury charge?
 
2014-06-17 01:02:18 PM  
I find it absurd that the government retention policy for email is six months. At every place I have worked the tapes were off site for 7 years.
 
2014-06-17 01:04:22 PM  

Karac: Satan's Superfluous Nipple: So, please explain to the class why a public official doing a public sector job would invoke the 5th when being questioned by congress about her job.

Because the congressmen in question have already decided her guilt?  And that if she answered anything they'd eventually find some tiny little detail she misremembered and try to get her sent to prison on a perjury charge?


Sure. Or, she's been up to something illegal or politically motivated and fears the consequences if she speaks the truth or lies about it.

See, we both can speculation.
 
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