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(Washington Post)   Among first states to fully embrace Obamacare, Washington residents reaping the benefits, though getting people to pay is an issue, the website is glitchy, access to care isn't great and money is running out. But good stuff otherwise   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 68
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2014-06-17 11:30:32 AM  
so exactly like what republicans warned would happen.
 
2014-06-17 11:40:02 AM  

SlothB77: so exactly like what republicans warned would happen.


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2014-06-17 11:53:51 AM  

Peter von Nostrand: SlothB77: so exactly like what republicans warned would happen.

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That is probably my favorite picture on the entire internet.  That includes porn.
 
2014-06-17 11:58:05 AM  

SlothB77: so exactly like what republicans warned would happen.


Yes, who can forget your classic prediction, "When Washington State's healthcare system experience some website glitches and a surge of demand that the state's medical infrastructure isn't quite prepared for, it is threads like this that Fark.com will delete and farkers everywhere will pretend never happened"
 
2014-06-17 11:59:16 AM  
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2014-06-17 12:03:44 PM  

SlothB77: so exactly like what republicans warned would happen.


How's President Romeny doing, anyway?
 
2014-06-17 12:11:53 PM  
Judging by the queue, the right wing must have decided it's Obamacare is a failure time again. All the other scandals they've invented are going nowhere.
 
2014-06-17 12:18:12 PM  
What went right:

People signed up for something that they thought would be free or cheaper than what they used to have.

What went wrong:

They didn't want to pay and everything cost more than they projected.

This would be considered a successful program by the Democrat party
 
2014-06-17 12:33:27 PM  
They should probably fix it.
 
2014-06-17 01:20:07 PM  
I'm willing to support a program of random organ harvesting to keep prices down. Don't Republicans want to keep prices lower?
 
2014-06-17 01:21:17 PM  
I live in Washington. My family has better coverage than they did and my wife can now get her prescriptions without having to pay several thousand dollars per month. And I can actually see a doctor myself.

So, if you're one of those myopic zealots who want to seize on any minor hitches in the way the ACA has been implemented as a way of justifying your unreasonable hatred for people having access to healthcare, you can just go eat a giant bowl of dicks.
 
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2014-06-17 01:22:59 PM  

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: I'm willing to support a program of random organ harvesting to keep prices down. Don't Republicans want to keep prices lower?


COOL!

My wife hasn't harvested my organ in months...
 
2014-06-17 01:23:09 PM  
First paragraph of the article:

One of the early ironies that emerged from Obamacare's first year of expanded coverage is how much some of the states most enthusiastic about the law failed miserably.  Washington state, which was one of the first to embrace a state-run exchange, isn't one of those states - but it's experienced its share of frustrations putting the Affordable Care Act into place.

/Frustrations?! Shut. Down. Everything.
 
2014-06-17 01:24:34 PM  
SHUT ........... DOWN .............. EVERYTHING.
 
2014-06-17 01:24:49 PM  

UrukHaiGuyz: First paragraph of the article:

One of the early ironies that emerged from Obamacare's first year of expanded coverage is how much some of the states most enthusiastic about the law failed miserably.  Washington state, which was one of the first to embrace a state-run exchange, isn't one of those states - but it's experienced its share of frustrations putting the Affordable Care Act into place.

/Frustrations?! Shut. Down. Everything.


Hey, let's not let the perfect be the enemy of the good here. We could just shut down Republicans.
 
2014-06-17 01:25:17 PM  
OOOH lets keep beating a dead horse instead of dealing with more important issues like:

Why does health care cost about twice as much in America as pretty much anywhere else. We are collectively getting ripped off by an inefficient medical system and should do something about it.
 
2014-06-17 01:25:30 PM  
Also, Smitty, that headline is an insult to word salads everywhere.
 
2014-06-17 01:26:21 PM  
I heard that ObamaCare was just a false-flag operation to disguise Bergdahl's involvement in Benghazi.
 
2014-06-17 01:30:10 PM  
The GOP can finally repeal the law now that the appeaser Cantor is gone.
 
2014-06-17 01:30:44 PM  
thanks to the Mitt Romney in MA where I get care most of the time doesn't have any expanded wait times with the ACA because they were already pretty much doing it with Masshealth.
 
2014-06-17 01:34:17 PM  

Cyclometh: I live in Washington. My family has better coverage than they did and my wife can now get her prescriptions without having to pay several thousand dollars per month. And I can actually see a doctor myself.

So, if you're one of those myopic zealots who want to seize on any minor hitches in the way the ACA has been implemented as a way of justifying your unreasonable hatred for people having access to healthcare, you can just go eat a giant bowl of dicks.

 
2014-06-17 01:37:29 PM  
I could propose a material ten times as strong as steel, weighs 90% less, and costs half as much.  However, if the product I delivered was 9 times as strong as steel, weighed 85% less, and for 60% of the cost, I would be a miserable failure in the eyes of republicans.
 
2014-06-17 01:39:46 PM  
I am skeptical.

Few numbers cited to back up the claims made (quotes are nice ornamentation, but no substitute for data), no comparison to states that didn't take Medicaid expansion, lots of bald assertions (how, exactly, are OR, MD, and MA "disaster states"?), and even the general tone of the article is "It's sort of bad, but getting better."
 
2014-06-17 01:40:09 PM  

SlothB77: so exactly like what republicans warned would happen.


If only we had done nothing, like the Republicans wanted.
 
2014-06-17 01:42:10 PM  

SlothB77: so exactly like what republicans warned would happen.


Hmm.  Yep, it's a failure.  Time to raise taxes and try single payer, free healthcare for all.

Because we aren't going back to letting people get sick and die just because they're poor.  Sorry, guys.
 
2014-06-17 01:43:37 PM  

Dr Dreidel: I am skeptical.

Few numbers cited to back up the claims made (quotes are nice ornamentation, but no substitute for data), no comparison to states that didn't take Medicaid expansion, lots of bald assertions (how, exactly, are OR, MD, and MA "disaster states"?), and even the general tone of the article is "It's sort of bad, but getting better."


The website interfaces for their exchanges did not work very well/at all. Oregon has already announced they're moving to healthcare.gov for 2015, Maryland is going to use Connecticut's software, and I can't remember what Massachusetts will be doing but they've announced major changes going into 2015 at least.
 
2014-06-17 01:44:29 PM  
Ever notice all of these articles use 'access to care' as one of their big scary headline points, and then when you get to that section, there's never an actual access to care problem? it's always 'too soon to tell.'

/It'll be too soon forever, I bet.
 
2014-06-17 01:46:01 PM  

AlgaeRancher: OOOH lets keep beating a dead horse instead of dealing with more important issues like:

Why does health care cost about twice as much in America as pretty much anywhere else. We are collectively getting ripped off by an inefficient medical system and should do something about it.

;">www.fedupusa.org
Click cover image or this text for article teaser.
Sorry, you have to pay to read the whole thing legally, but it's really important and relevant.


See also Jon Stewart's The Daily Show extended interview with the author, Stephen Brill.
 
2014-06-17 01:46:08 PM  
http://www.gallup.com/poll/170756/few-americans-say-healthcare-law-he l ped.aspx

24% say that Obamacare has hurt them.
14% say that it has helped them.
 
2014-06-17 01:46:30 PM  
I'm guessing the people behind these sorts of articles are the same ones behind the "NHS is a failure" articles in the Daily Fail.
 
2014-06-17 01:47:20 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: The GOP can finally repeal the law now that the appeaser Cantor is gone.


As soon as they can decide who is going to be chief cat herder. Hell, I would not be surprised to see three major caucuses develop in the House. The Democratic Caucus, the RINO Caucus, and the True Republican God Bless Murica' Eagles Crying AR-15s Circus. Er. Caucus.
 
2014-06-17 01:48:05 PM  

IlGreven: I'm guessing the people behind these sorts of articles are the same ones behind the "NHS is a failure" articles in the Daily Fail.


It'll always be a failure, regardless, because it's an ideological failure.
 
2014-06-17 01:48:40 PM  

SlothB77: so exactly like what republicans warned would happen.


I was told there would be death panels.  I want my death panels.
 
2014-06-17 01:50:26 PM  
I value my life and the life of others. So I'm going to give this huge government plan a bit more time to shake out all the bugs.

And after that happens I will vote for universal and government provided health care.

You can't have liberty and the pursuit of happiness unless you have Life first.
 
2014-06-17 01:50:39 PM  

ManateeGag: SlothB77: so exactly like what republicans warned would happen.

How's President Romeny doing, anyway?



He's wandering around, telling fortunes, casting hexes, stealing children.
 
2014-06-17 01:56:03 PM  

Serious Black: The website interfaces for their exchanges did not work very well/at all. Oregon has already announced they're moving to healthcare.gov for 2015, Maryland is going to use Connecticut's software, and I can't remember what Massachusetts will be doing but they've announced major changes going into 2015 at least.


Currently, you can't pay your premiums through the MA website. You can't pay the health insurance company directly online, either. I tried that. Nope, you gotta call the Massachusetts Health Connector payment hotline to make a payment or pay by mail. I think. Maybe you can't pay by mail.
 
2014-06-17 01:58:22 PM  

Serious Black: Dr Dreidel: I am skeptical.

Few numbers cited to back up the claims made (quotes are nice ornamentation, but no substitute for data), no comparison to states that didn't take Medicaid expansion, lots of bald assertions (how, exactly, are OR, MD, and MA "disaster states"?), and even the general tone of the article is "It's sort of bad, but getting better."

The website interfaces for their exchanges did not work very well/at all. Oregon has already announced they're moving to healthcare.gov for 2015, Maryland is going to use Connecticut's software, and I can't remember what Massachusetts will be doing but they've announced major changes going into 2015 at least.


That's exactly the kind of supporting data one might expect to find in the same article where those assertions were made.

// mothers, teach your kids to be data scientists and back up their assertions with facts
 
2014-06-17 02:00:54 PM  

ib_thinkin: Currently, you can't pay your premiums through the MA website. You can't pay the health insurance company directly online, either. I tried that. Nope, you gotta call the Massachusetts Health Connector payment hotline to make a payment or pay by mail. I think. Maybe you can't pay by mail.


You might not have realized this, but nothing in the PPACA mandated how insurance companies were allowed to accept your payments.
Why would any exchange allow you to send money to their website instead of to the insurer?  And how does the insurer's website not joining the mid-90's reflect in any way upon Obamacare?
 
2014-06-17 02:05:58 PM  

jigger: http://www.gallup.com/poll/170756/few-americans-say-healthcare-law-he l ped.aspx

24% say that Obamacare has hurt them.
14% say that it has helped them.


content.gallup.com

Well color me shocked at the party affiliation breakdown.
 
2014-06-17 02:06:52 PM  
Oops! Preview = friend.
Here's the link to the Time article teaser.

physt: SlothB77: so exactly like what republicans warned would happen.

If only we had done nothing, like the Republicans wanted.

sendtodave: SlothB77: so exactly like what republicans warned would happen.

Hmm. Yep, it's a failure. Time to raise taxes and try single payer, free healthcare for all.

Because we aren't going back to letting people get sick and die just because they're poor. Sorry, guys.

Doing nothing, or going back to the old system, isn't an option for more than just the moral wrongness of letting poor people get sick and die.

www.washingtonpost.com
Health insurance premiums have been rising at roughly quintuple the rate of average middle class household income.


www.annfammed.org
The way things were going, about three years from now, around 2017, insurance costs (premiums + deductibles & co-pay, collectively called "Out-of-Pocket Expenses" [OOP]) would've surpassed fully ½ the total income of a typical middle-class household. meaning that they'd be paying as much for health insurance as for everything else (food, shelter, clothing, utilities, transportation, education, savings [heh!], investment [heh!], and even all other insurance [life, car, fire, etc.] combined!

About three years from then, circa 2020, the health insurance premiums alone (not counting the OOPs!) would surpass ½ the household income of a typical middle-class family.

Less than a decade later, around 2028, the health insurance premiums + OOP would surpass the entire typical middle-class household income, leaving nothing for any of that other stuff like food and shelter and clothing and even other insurance. Les than ½ a decade after that, around 2032, the health insurance premiums alone would surpass the typical middle-class household income, leaving nothing even for their own deductibles and co-pay, let alone food, shelter, clothing, education, other insurance, etc.

This alone would destroy not only the middle class, but the economy as well (since there'd soon be nobody left able to afford to buy stuff), and thus the wealthy. Yes, destroy the economy. Not damage it. Not decimate it. Not devastate it. Not collapse it. Destroy it. Make it not exist anymore. At all. Period. As in, "You know that 'economy' thing we used to have? Whatever happened to that?"

That's why we can't go back to the previous system.
 
2014-06-17 02:10:32 PM  

SlothB77: so exactly like what republicans warned would happen.


There really isn't any point in talking to people like you. The only thing reasonable people can do is ignore you and work around the road blocks your party throws up.
 
2014-06-17 02:12:36 PM  

jigger: http://www.gallup.com/poll/170756/few-americans-say-healthcare-law-he l ped.aspx

24% say that Obamacare has hurt them.
14% say that it has helped them.


And in other news, hyper-partisan Republicans lie. The percentage saying it "hurt" in that polling is entirely swung over to GOP voters and "Fark Independents".
 
2014-06-17 02:12:50 PM  
COMALite J:

What is the reason for only looking over the last 10-15 years as a starting point instead to guage the effects as oppoised to a longer time table. Not trying to be a dick just kind of curious
 
2014-06-17 02:16:10 PM  

ib_thinkin: Serious Black: The website interfaces for their exchanges did not work very well/at all. Oregon has already announced they're moving to healthcare.gov for 2015, Maryland is going to use Connecticut's software, and I can't remember what Massachusetts will be doing but they've announced major changes going into 2015 at least.

Currently, you can't pay your premiums through the MA website. You can't pay the health insurance company directly online, either. I tried that. Nope, you gotta call the Massachusetts Health Connector payment hotline to make a payment or pay by mail. I think. Maybe you can't pay by mail.


I'm on HealthNet in Arizona, and it's been incredibly difficult to be notified of when and how much to pay and furthermore to actually pay it.

I can tell that the system has been intentionally hobbed to get people kicked off. It's just too farked not to have been.
 
2014-06-17 02:18:04 PM  

Headso: thanks to the Mitt Romney in MA where I get care most of the time doesn't have any expanded wait times with the ACA because they were already pretty much doing it with Masshealth.


Yep... I was on Commonwealth Care for a few years when I was self-employed and business had dried up. Excellent insurance and it was quite easy to get help. No excessive wait times and I didn't have to change any doctors or specialists ( I have asthma).

I have a hard time taking all the Chicken Littles around here seriously.

Things aren't perfect?!? Oh, no! We should definitely go back to letting the poor and unemployed get farked over.
 
2014-06-17 02:18:43 PM  
The jorb is completed.
 
2014-06-17 02:20:26 PM  

roddack: COMALite J:

What is the reason for only looking over the last 10-15 years as a starting point instead to guage the effects as oppoised to a longer time table. Not trying to be a dick just kind of curious


Here's a similar chart showing health care costs as a percentage of GDP going back to the 70s:

upload.wikimedia.org

In short, it really doesn't tell us anything we didn't already know.
 
2014-06-17 02:23:45 PM  
Serious Black:

It looks to me like we were at parity until the early 1980s. What did Reagan do wrong?
 
2014-06-17 02:24:53 PM  

Karac: You might not have realized this, but nothing in the PPACA mandated how insurance companies were allowed to accept your payments.
Why would any exchange allow you to send money to their website instead of to the insurer?  And how does the insurer's website not joining the mid-90's reflect in any way upon Obamacare?


The insurer's website is set up to accept only people who bought individual plans through them, and not group plans through the Massachusetts exchange.
 
2014-06-17 02:25:08 PM  

Serious Black: Here's a similar chart showing health care costs as a percentage of GDP going back to the 70s:

In short, it really doesn't tell us anything we didn't already know.


It's also a somewhat misleading statistic. The relevant measure isn't over time, but cross-country. We should expect health care spending to go up over time as a percentage of GDP - that's a good thing in a lot of way. For example, if food and housing get cheaper, it's a good idea to take that savings and put it into health care - long, healthy lives are better!
 
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