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2014-06-17 08:35:43 AM
Pete should get into the Hall of Fame exactly 69 years after Shoeless Joe gets in.
 
2014-06-17 09:18:38 AM

BunkoSquad: Pete should get into the Hall of Fame exactly 69 years after Shoeless Joe gets in.


they aren't even in the same league. hell betting on your team should be encouraged.
 
2014-06-17 10:12:23 AM
The problem with reinstatement isn't that he gambled on his own team. The problem is that he lied for 15 years about it and only came clean when he got a book deal
 
2014-06-17 10:35:15 AM

ArkAngel: The problem with reinstatement isn't that he gambled on his own team.


Which he did after he retired as a player. As far as everyone knows, he was clean during his playing years. He'll get in the Hall of Fame when the known steroids players get in.
 
2014-06-17 11:19:27 AM
He already is in the HOF...his stats, etc. are all over the place. It's just that he's not a "member." For years, this guy used to hang around Cooperstown on induction day selling signed black baseballs.

Fark Pete Rose.
 
2014-06-17 11:26:52 AM
What he did was worse than take steroids. At least those clowns were trying to do everything they could to win. What Rose did compromised the game.

/anyone with a sense of history knows what gambling does to the integrity of the sport - just ask boxing fans
 
2014-06-17 11:30:03 AM
Which one of the nineties steroid users do we have the least amount of hard evidence on?   I imagine that that person and Rose will go in the same year, with Rose being used as a distraction so we don't talk about 'roids.  Then the flood gates will open and the rest of the 'roids generation can get in.
 
2014-06-17 11:39:46 AM

UNC_Samurai: What he did was worse than take steroids. At least those clowns were trying to do everything they could to win. What Rose did compromised the game.

/anyone with a sense of history knows what gambling does to the integrity of the sport - just ask boxing fans


The game was compromised long before Rose was born. The game was compromised long before the Black Sox.
 
2014-06-17 11:44:09 AM

Mateorocks: He already is in the HOF...his stats, etc. are all over the place. It's just that he's not a "member." For years, this guy used to hang around Cooperstown on induction day selling signed black baseballs.

Fark Pete Rose.


This.

He's a epic attention whore who happened to be a decent contact hitter with amazing luck and longevity.

Put him in the Hall the day after he dies, but don't let him think he's going in.
 
2014-06-17 11:51:42 AM

Mangoose: UNC_Samurai: What he did was worse than take steroids. At least those clowns were trying to do everything they could to win. What Rose did compromised the game.

/anyone with a sense of history knows what gambling does to the integrity of the sport - just ask boxing fans

The game was compromised long before Rose was born. The game was compromised long before the Black Sox.


Prior to the Black Sox, yes, baseball had serious issues with gambling (the Louisville Grays, the 1914 Series, etc.). But what came out of the Black Sox scandal was a strong commissioner's office that brooked no tolerance for it. Hell, Happy Chandler suspended Leo Durocher just for being seen with a gambler. I think since 1919, with the glaring exception of Pete Rose, the sport has been largely clean.

/It's also funny to look at the roster Pete Rose had for much of the late 80s. They never finished above 2nd in the NL West, but he's banned and replaced by Pinella, who immediately knocks off everyone, including a World Series sweep of the roided-up A's.
 
2014-06-17 11:54:31 AM

damageddude: ArkAngel: The problem with reinstatement isn't that he gambled on his own team.

Which he did after he retired as a player. As far as everyone knows, he was clean during his playing years. He'll get in the Hall of Fame when the known steroids players get in.


And that might just happen - Barry Bonds. Hated him when he was a Pirate and afterwards he "mysteriously" sub-humanly bulked up.
 
2014-06-17 11:56:56 AM
Glad to see "fark Pete Rose" has been well covered. Fark him with his own corked bat.
 
2014-06-17 11:57:24 AM
Every year during spring training, teams from MLB headquarters visit every team and lecture them on gambling and the consequences.  Pete Rose attended at least 27 spring training camps.

Every major league clubhouse has posters warning about gambling and the consequences.  Pete Rose spent around 40,000 days in major league clubhouses.

Shoeless Joe Jackson, one of the greatest hitters of all time, and the rest of the Black Sox were banned from baseball for life (including the Hall of Fame) for gambling.  Pete Rose knew that story.

Pete Rose knew the rules.  He knew the consequences.  He still chose to bet on baseball, so he still deserves the punishment he earned.  He does not belong in the Baseball Hall of Fame and should never be enshrined.
 
2014-06-17 12:03:07 PM
He's already in the WWE Hall of Fame.

/I heard he left Bill Buckner tickets to the induction, but he couldn't bend down to pick them up.
//How 'bout it?
 
2014-06-17 12:09:30 PM

UNC_Samurai: Mangoose: UNC_Samurai: What he did was worse than take steroids. At least those clowns were trying to do everything they could to win. What Rose did compromised the game.

/anyone with a sense of history knows what gambling does to the integrity of the sport - just ask boxing fans

The game was compromised long before Rose was born. The game was compromised long before the Black Sox.

Prior to the Black Sox, yes, baseball had serious issues with gambling (the Louisville Grays, the 1914 Series, etc.). But what came out of the Black Sox scandal was a strong commissioner's office that brooked no tolerance for it. Hell, Happy Chandler suspended Leo Durocher just for being seen with a gambler. I think since 1919, with the glaring exception of Pete Rose, the sport has been largely clean.

/It's also funny to look at the roster Pete Rose had for much of the late 80s. They never finished above 2nd in the NL West, but he's banned and replaced by Pinella, who immediately knocks off everyone, including a World Series sweep of the roided-up A's.


I thought it was because he was a philanderer who broke up a Hollywood starlet's marriage and Chandler had the Catholic League all over his ass about it.  I could be wrong.
 
2014-06-17 12:23:43 PM

Cubs300: UNC_Samurai: Mangoose: UNC_Samurai: What he did was worse than take steroids. At least those clowns were trying to do everything they could to win. What Rose did compromised the game.

/anyone with a sense of history knows what gambling does to the integrity of the sport - just ask boxing fans

The game was compromised long before Rose was born. The game was compromised long before the Black Sox.

Prior to the Black Sox, yes, baseball had serious issues with gambling (the Louisville Grays, the 1914 Series, etc.). But what came out of the Black Sox scandal was a strong commissioner's office that brooked no tolerance for it. Hell, Happy Chandler suspended Leo Durocher just for being seen with a gambler. I think since 1919, with the glaring exception of Pete Rose, the sport has been largely clean.

/It's also funny to look at the roster Pete Rose had for much of the late 80s. They never finished above 2nd in the NL West, but he's banned and replaced by Pinella, who immediately knocks off everyone, including a World Series sweep of the roided-up A's.

I thought it was because he was a philanderer who broke up a Hollywood starlet's marriage and Chandler had the Catholic League all over his ass about it.  I could be wrong.


Several factors contributed to the, "conduct unbecoming of baseball" - but a large part of that was Duricher associating with people like George Raft, who was not only a known gambler, but had been implicated in a check-cashing scandal. And Chandler even told Durocher he didn't care about the marriage when Leo first informed him of what he was going to do. The problem was, the stink about the marriage came at the exact same time that both Leo and Larry McPhail were in a public war of words about the others' associations.

This is an excellent postmortem courtesy of Sports Illustrated.
 
2014-06-17 12:39:49 PM

UNC_Samurai: Cubs300: UNC_Samurai: Mangoose: UNC_Samurai: What he did was worse than take steroids. At least those clowns were trying to do everything they could to win. What Rose did compromised the game.

/anyone with a sense of history knows what gambling does to the integrity of the sport - just ask boxing fans

The game was compromised long before Rose was born. The game was compromised long before the Black Sox.

Prior to the Black Sox, yes, baseball had serious issues with gambling (the Louisville Grays, the 1914 Series, etc.). But what came out of the Black Sox scandal was a strong commissioner's office that brooked no tolerance for it. Hell, Happy Chandler suspended Leo Durocher just for being seen with a gambler. I think since 1919, with the glaring exception of Pete Rose, the sport has been largely clean.

/It's also funny to look at the roster Pete Rose had for much of the late 80s. They never finished above 2nd in the NL West, but he's banned and replaced by Pinella, who immediately knocks off everyone, including a World Series sweep of the roided-up A's.

I thought it was because he was a philanderer who broke up a Hollywood starlet's marriage and Chandler had the Catholic League all over his ass about it.  I could be wrong.

Several factors contributed to the, "conduct unbecoming of baseball" - but a large part of that was Duricher associating with people like George Raft, who was not only a known gambler, but had been implicated in a check-cashing scandal. And Chandler even told Durocher he didn't care about the marriage when Leo first informed him of what he was going to do. The problem was, the stink about the marriage came at the exact same time that both Leo and Larry McPhail were in a public war of words about the others' associations.

This is an excellent postmortem courtesy of Sports Illustrated.



Thanks for the reading tip.  I appreciate it!
 
2014-06-17 12:51:22 PM

NickelP: hell betting on your team should be encouraged.


No. The people who say "Well he never bet against his team" are missing the point. Of course he didn't bet against his own team. He didn't have to. The days that he didn't bet on his team tells the bookies all they need to know. It's as good as fixing games.

There is ONE rule that was posted inside the clubhouse door of every MLB team. Pete walked past it every day of his playing career, and every day of his managing career.

www.legendaryauctions.com
 
2014-06-17 01:18:11 PM

Mangoose: UNC_Samurai: What he did was worse than take steroids. At least those clowns were trying to do everything they could to win. What Rose did compromised the game.

/anyone with a sense of history knows what gambling does to the integrity of the sport - just ask boxing fans

The game was compromised long before Rose was born. The game was compromised long before the Black Sox.


Really?

Examples, please?
 
2014-06-17 01:20:26 PM

NickelP: BunkoSquad: Pete should get into the Hall of Fame exactly 69 years after Shoeless Joe gets in.

they aren't even in the same league. hell betting on your team should be encouraged.


Hell, both should be put back in.

Shoeless Joe's "crime" was trying to be one of the boys.  Still batted .375 for the series; so how the hell do you know if he threw a game?
 
2014-06-17 02:26:28 PM

rjakobi: Mangoose: UNC_Samurai: What he did was worse than take steroids. At least those clowns were trying to do everything they could to win. What Rose did compromised the game.

/anyone with a sense of history knows what gambling does to the integrity of the sport - just ask boxing fans

The game was compromised long before Rose was born. The game was compromised long before the Black Sox.

Really?

Examples, please?


Post or pre black sox?

William Cox. Jimmy O'Connell.

are we solely on financial misdoings? The owners guilty of colluding with each other to keep salaries down. Scouts violating rules.

Steinbrener and the PI. Schott and her racism. The drugs.

We could go on, if you'd like.

Taking my son to his first baseball game next month. But I am in no way delusional about the world of pro sports.
 
2014-06-17 02:54:37 PM

Sin_City_Superhero: No. The people who say "Well he never bet against his team" are missing the point. Of course he didn't bet against his own team. He didn't have to. The days that he didn't bet on his team tells the bookies all they need to know. It's as good as fixing games.


Exactly.  And when a manager has a bet on his team's game, he will make different decisions that effect the long-term health of his players and the franchise.

When Rose was managing the Reds, Mario Soto led the NL in complete games, and was top 10 in innings every year for 5 years.  By age 29, his arm was done, and he was out of baseball by age 31.

In Soto's final full season, this was a common type of box score for him-- Complete Game, even though he didn't have great stuff (5 ER), sent out to pitch the 9th with a 7-4 lead against the bottom of the Cubs' lineup.  This wasn't an important game-- the Reds were 22.5 games out of first and mathematically eliminated.

Any other manager, even by 1980s pitcher abuse standards, would have said "No sense making my ace throw while he's exhausted.  The bullpen can take it from here."  But maybe Rose really wanted to win that game, wink, wink.

Conversely, let's say Rose lifts Soto.  Does he bring in his relief ace, or does he save him for another day?  Maybe he has a bet today, but not tomorrow.
 
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