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(Orlando Sentinel)   Fraternity insists it didn't block a pledge from joining because he was gay; they totally had valid reasons, but they just can't remember what they were   (orlandosentinel.com) divider line 79
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2014-06-17 09:00:20 AM
If an organization as fickle in it's recruitment process as Greeks are, can't find a reason to cover up why they kicked you out, then they aren't a very good frat and you don't want to be a part of them anyway.
 
2014-06-17 10:22:26 AM
So his information for his accusation comes from a text message from someone who wasn't even there? Yeah, that's great evidence
 
2014-06-17 10:29:21 AM
Fraternity officials, meanwhile, were "incredibly encouraged" by the panel's finding, said Martin Cobb, a spokesman for the North American fraternity, based in Ohio.
Cobb said the organization has had to work to overcome "the damage done to the reputation of our young men at UCF - and the larger Greek community" after the allegations were made. He reiterated that the fraternity is not homophobic at all, and welcomes any young men who are willing to build naked pyramids, play Ookie Cookie, form elephant chains, and participate in butt chugging.
 
2014-06-17 11:13:39 AM
So he was like gay-gay, and not just brodude-gay?
 
2014-06-17 11:13:54 AM
I could never figure out why if someone thinks they wouldn't be particularly welcome in an organization they make pains to try to join.  It's like "Hey, I'm a girl but want to join the Boy Scouts so you should allow it!" syndrome. Makes no sense and never has.
 
2014-06-17 11:17:09 AM
Eh, I don't know what Beta Theta Pi's history is, but if they're like any other Greek society they don't divulge their selection process ever. Also, wouldn't they fall under some of the exemptions that were carved out for "private clubs" and the like? I suppose the college itself might have some governing rules for fraternities on campus.

The frat could also show it wasn't discriminatory by asking gay current or former members to speak on their behalf, if any exist.
 
2014-06-17 11:18:12 AM

Theaetetus: play Ookie Cookie, form elephant chains,


Had to look that up.
Yeah, no.
That doesn't really happen.
 
2014-06-17 11:19:35 AM

give me doughnuts: So he was like gay-gay, and not just brodude-gay?


Yup, if he had been in the closet and willing to date the fat sorority girls as a beard, he would have been just fine.
 
2014-06-17 11:20:24 AM
Butt chugging
 
2014-06-17 11:21:17 AM
I believe them, since fraternities themselves are gayer than cum on a mustache.
 
2014-06-17 11:21:38 AM
You messed with the wrong frat!
 
2014-06-17 11:21:45 AM

give me doughnuts: So he was like gay-gay, and not just brodude-gay?


Bro getting his "burn on".  img.fark.net
 
2014-06-17 11:22:18 AM

InterruptingQuirk: If an organization as fickle in it's recruitment process as Greeks are, can't find a reason to cover up why they kicked you out, then they aren't a very good frat and you don't want to be a part of them anyway.


They didn't want to admit he beat their pants off at butt-chugging.
 
2014-06-17 11:22:29 AM
Maybe they blocked him because he kept asking, "When do we butt chug? Can we circle jerk now? I'll eat the cookie!"
 
2014-06-17 11:23:00 AM
Why would a gay man WANT to be in a fraternity? He doesn't have any use for all that Top Shelf Pussy...

/Neither do I.
//Old and married.
///I get more than enough right here at home.
 
2014-06-17 11:23:04 AM

ifky: Butt chugging


*shakes tiny fist*
 
2014-06-17 11:23:13 AM
First, why would you want to join a group that doesn't want to have anything to do with you? And second, what's more gay than a fraternity?
 
2014-06-17 11:23:23 AM
Reasons, you know like because...
 
2014-06-17 11:23:33 AM
film.thedigitalfix.com

C: Applicant was stuck in the door and could not complete the application process.
 
2014-06-17 11:23:42 AM
Speaking as someone from the UCF area in Orlando...

It would not surprise me if he was kicked due to him being gay.  Orlando is very much part of that redneck section of Florida.
 
2014-06-17 11:23:45 AM
Yeah, it's gross. He would enjoy eating the soggy biscuit.
 
2014-06-17 11:23:56 AM
Thank you sir, may I have another?
 
2014-06-17 11:24:41 AM
It wasn't the fact he was gay, but more because he was a cheerleader.

I can just see them trying to float a keg and he's in the other room doing his cheer practice with his pom poms.
 
2014-06-17 11:25:39 AM

Arkanaut: but if they're like any other Greek society they


don't want to be gay by association.

That is all. Not men enough to have gay friends and be comfortable with it yet in their lives.
 
2014-06-17 11:25:59 AM
Exclusionary club accussed of being exclusionary. Shocking.
 
2014-06-17 11:26:36 AM

MelGoesOnTour: I could never figure out why if someone thinks they wouldn't be particularly welcome in an organization they make pains to try to join.  It's like "Hey, I'm a girl but want to join the Boy Scouts so you should allow it!" syndrome. Makes no sense and never has.


While I am inclined to agree there are some colleges where the majority of the students are in Fraternities or Sororities.

I remember visiting a buddy of mine in the late 90's where something staggering like 80% of the population were involved in a Greek organization.  Figuring out which one you would join was what you did just after you got yourself on campus and unpacked.  You either joined or your social options were kind of limited.
 
2014-06-17 11:28:24 AM

stevenvictx: It wasn't the fact he was gay, but more because he was a cheerleader.

I can just see them trying to float a keg and he's in the other room doing his cheer practice with his pom poms.


I know a guy who was a male cheerleader. 6'7" 300lbs. He was very popular with the female cheerleaders. He could lift 3 at a time.
 
2014-06-17 11:29:43 AM
I don't understand, I thought they all spoke Greek in fraternities.
 
2014-06-17 11:31:15 AM
He may have misinterpreted the whole going Greek thing.
 
2014-06-17 11:31:35 AM

give me doughnuts: So he was like gay-gay, and not just brodude-gay?


My first thought as well...the problem isn't that he's gay, it's that he doesn't deny it like the rest of them...
 
2014-06-17 11:33:06 AM
Private organization gets to choose who they let in. End of discussion.

/frat boy
//got the top shelf pussy
 
2014-06-17 11:35:04 AM

mark12A: Private organization gets to choose who they let in. End of discussion.

/frat boy
//got the top shelf pussy


I have no problem believing you're a frat boy, and no, that wasn't a compliment.
 
2014-06-17 11:37:10 AM
"What's worse - actually being homophobic or lying about it?," he asked Monday, after learning about UCF's determination.

I'm guessing most homos would think the former... Everyone is a liar, not everyone is a homophobe.
 
2014-06-17 11:37:21 AM

mark12A: Private organization using federal and state money and facilitiesgets to choose who they let in, subject to state and federal anti-discrimination laws. End of discussion.


FTFY. If they want to be an off-campus frat, they can do whatever they want. If they want to meet in the Student Center of the public university, then they have some restrictions.
 
2014-06-17 11:37:57 AM
Block him for being gay? A fraternity?
 
2014-06-17 11:41:02 AM

mark12A: Private organization gets to choose who they let in. End of discussion.

/frat boy
//got the top shelf pussy


That is the case with my University. Frats are separate entities and the university reserves the right to ban them from campus yet has no control over their membership.

/Just another non-story designed to create outrage
 
2014-06-17 11:41:50 AM

yakmans_dad: Block him for being gay? A fraternity?


Openly gay.
 
2014-06-17 11:42:09 AM

Arkanaut: Eh, I don't know what Beta Theta Pi's history is, but if they're like any other Greek society they don't divulge their selection process ever. Also, wouldn't they fall under some of the exemptions that were carved out for "private clubs" and the like? I suppose the college itself might have some governing rules for fraternities on campus.

The frat could also show it wasn't discriminatory by asking gay current or former members to speak on their behalf, if any exist.


Yeah because the token gay spokesman never comes off as phoney or scripted.
 
2014-06-17 11:42:55 AM
Since when have the Greeks a had a problem with homosexuality?
 
2014-06-17 11:43:43 AM
mark12A: Private organization gets to choose who they let in. End of discussion.

/frat boy
//got the top shelf skanky, used, passed around by half the football team pussy

Fixed that for ya.
 
2014-06-17 11:43:52 AM
You know what's hilarious?  I was blackballed from another Beta chapter after my big brother sexually assaulted me.  Good times.
 
2014-06-17 11:44:56 AM

Crewmannumber6: mark12A: Private organization gets to choose who they let in. End of discussion.

/frat boy
//got the top shelf pussy

I have no problem believing you're a frat boy, and no, that wasn't a compliment.


Even if you don't like the OP, it's still a statement of fact.

One of the primary reasons for forming a private club in many blue-collar cities, was in order to permit restrictions on attractive and successful people.

Fraternities are private, and that's a reason why they're usually situated just slightly off campus
 
2014-06-17 11:45:41 AM
isn't it a private club?
 
2014-06-17 11:47:33 AM

mark12A: Private organization gets to choose who they let in. End of discussion.

/frat boy
//got the top shelf pussy


So your frat kept its fleshlight on the top shelf, big whoop.
 
2014-06-17 11:48:17 AM

Babwa Wawa: You know what's hilarious?  I was blackballed from another Beta chapter after my big brother sexually assaulted me.  Good times.


Blackballed because he was blue-balled?
 
2014-06-17 11:50:04 AM
1.Why does anybody join frats or sororities anyway?

2. Why force a group of people who do not want you to be a part of their organization in to accepting you? It is not like they are denying you medical treatment, housing or are a government agency denying you benefits.

3.If it is that important to you to belong to a group of entitlement minded drunks and skanks form your LGBT Greek organizations
Oh wait they already exist: Rainbow Greek Network
 
2014-06-17 11:50:55 AM

vudukungfu: Arkanaut: but if they're like any other Greek society they

don't want to be gay by association.

That is all. Not men enough to have gay friends and be comfortable with it yet in their lives.


As a private association, they probably have a right to say they exclude gay members, if they wanted, as regressive as such a policy is. TFA says their national has a policy welcoming "men of all backgrounds, regardless of race, religion, nationality, creed, sexual orientation or economic standing".

That said, admission to the local chapter would be determined by members of that chapter, and if they're going to be dicks about gay pledges then they have the power to do so. It's unclear from TFA whether the national did any investigations or audits on their own or if they just let the university handle everything. If the latter, it would indicate that they don't actually give a damn.
 
2014-06-17 11:53:56 AM

Skarekrough: I remember visiting a buddy of mine in the late 90's where something staggering like 80% of the population were involved in a Greek organization.  Figuring out which one you would join was what you did just after you got yourself on campus and unpacked.  You either joined or your social options were kind of limited you had to actually make friends instead of buying them.


I went to one of those schools. It actually worked pretty well, because the 20% that were not greek happened to pretty much be all of the non-douchey people at the school.
 
2014-06-17 11:54:07 AM

pueblonative: Arkanaut: Eh, I don't know what Beta Theta Pi's history is, but if they're like any other Greek society they don't divulge their selection process ever. Also, wouldn't they fall under some of the exemptions that were carved out for "private clubs" and the like? I suppose the college itself might have some governing rules for fraternities on campus.

The frat could also show it wasn't discriminatory by asking gay current or former members to speak on their behalf, if any exist.

Yeah because the token gay spokesman never comes off as phoney or scripted.


We don't even know if there was one in this case. The possibility remains that they might have just been excluding gays.
 
2014-06-17 11:55:35 AM

mark12A: Private organization gets to choose who they let in. End of discussion.

/frat boy
//got the top shelf pussy


// and the herp.
 
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