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(io9)   How will we decide which planets to terraform? If I recall correctly, the plan involves Ricardo Montalban, revenge, and a dead Vulcan   (io9.com) divider line 60
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2014-06-17 01:33:41 AM
KKKKKAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHNNNNNNN!!!  Well hell, someone had to say it!
 
2014-06-17 02:18:25 AM
LOL, terraform, we can't even maintain this planet.
 
2014-06-17 02:23:44 AM
Stay away from Europa.
 
2014-06-17 03:37:22 AM

Tarkus: LOL, terraform, we can't even maintain this planet.


The technologies developed for changing a hostile environment on an alien planet could be used to fix the problems with Earth's environment (and visa versa)
 
2014-06-17 07:15:25 AM

Ambivalence: Tarkus: LOL, terraform, we can't even maintain this planet.

The technologies developed for changing a hostile environment on an alien planet could be used to fix the problems with Earth's environment (and visa versa)


i saw that movie. it didnt end well.
 
2014-06-17 07:33:45 AM

Tarkus: LOL, terraform, we can't even maintain this planet.


Dude, it's a masturbatory fantasy - suspension of disbelief is required.
I mean, we are talking about running away from home so we don't have to clean up our room.
 
2014-06-17 07:46:38 AM
www.giantfreakinrobot.com
 
2014-06-17 07:47:28 AM

Ambivalence: Tarkus: LOL, terraform, we can't even maintain this planet.

The technologies developed for changing a hostile environment on an alien planet could be used to fix the problems with Earth's environment (and visa versa)


IIRC, terraforming Mars would require, among other things, spewing a whole lot of greenhouse gases into its atmosphere to warm the place up. So we wouldn't have to learn how to fix that particular environmental problem; we'd actually just learn how to make it even worse.
 
2014-06-17 07:50:36 AM

Ambivalence: Tarkus: LOL, terraform, we can't even maintain this planet.

The technologies developed for changing a hostile environment on an alien planet could be used to fix the problems with Earth's environment (and visa versa)


Indeed.

Step one of terraforming would be normalizing oxygen and carbon dioxide levels in the atmosphere. Without doing that you might as well just build a biodome.
 
2014-06-17 07:52:22 AM

Ambivalence: Tarkus: LOL, terraform, we can't even maintain this planet.

The technologies developed for changing a hostile environment on an alien planet could be used to fix the problems with Earth's environment (and visa versa)


I've seen this movie before. It doesn't end well.

i65.photobucket.com
 
2014-06-17 07:55:39 AM
Bad subby.... this is about terraforming not creating a planet.
and on the note about terraforming:

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www.dneg.com
tiedyedbrainrays.typepad.com
www.chumley.co.uk

If there is one thing we have learned from scifi it is that man will always abuse technologies.
 
2014-06-17 07:57:56 AM

Yaw String: Ambivalence: Tarkus: LOL, terraform, we can't even maintain this planet.

The technologies developed for changing a hostile environment on an alien planet could be used to fix the problems with Earth's environment (and visa versa)

I've seen this movie before. It doesn't end well.

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ecx.images-amazon.com

yes... not well at all.
 
2014-06-17 08:00:17 AM
Quien es mas macho, Lorenzo Lamas o Ricardo Montalban?
 
2014-06-17 08:02:36 AM

HindiDiscoMonster: Bad subby.... this is about terraforming not creating a planet.



Ah, but if you will recall. Genesis was originally meant for terraforming a planet quickly. It only created a planet from scratch after being used improperly.
 
2014-06-17 08:06:23 AM
"Alright, let's try this one more time," she thought to herself as she looked out through the window onto the emptiness of space.

"To all shall see these presents...Greetings.
(Wait for applause)
To terraform Mars.
    That was the simple goal from the beginning. The reasons, however, to terraform Mars were much more complicated. 
    Way back in the year 2014, the world was in chaos. Perpetually high unemployment, horrible economies, civil liberties being eroded away by spy organizations, and protests and riots all across the planet. The people on Earth were losing hope. Something had to be done. Something had to change.
Then one day that year, a man had a dream. A vision of the future.
    A future in which like minded  individuals would come together and would not be judged by the color of their skin, their gender, whom they chose to love, or how much money they or their family had or did not have. A group of people who would cast off mysticism, ignorance, hatred, and personal greed and embrace logic, knowledge, love, and could work together towards the common goal. But above all else, they would share one common trait. The trait of the child-like wonderment of exploration. A sense of adventure and the spirit of curiosity that has guided mankind from the times when they first set sail on unknown oceans to the time they first set foot on the moon. And they would do it for peace. They would do it for all mankind.
(Wait for applause)
    A future in which the exploration of the heavens of space was not limited to just corporations employing a vast number of robots, to only those who had aerospace engineering PhD's., or those lucky enough to have financial clout or lucky enough to win a contest to space. In his vision, he envisioned an organization in which the common person of average intelligence or greater would gladly bid farewell to his previous uninspiring life, be trained by the organization in a needed skill and work towards the common goal with all of his heart in exchange for a guaranteed right of the necessities of life and the opportunity to boldly go where no person had gone before.
(Wait for applause)
    He knew back then that there would be many obstacles that they would face. And there were. From the initial doubters and naysayers, to the political arena and the powers that be, to the great meteor strike and all the chaos that ensued, the people of the organization rose to meet the challenges.
He knew from the beginning that such an organization could not take place in any existing country. In order for this grandest experiment to be successful, they had to have complete autonomy, so he created a new country. Our country. 
Spaceport Terra
(Wait for applause)
    And here we are in the year 2059. Just look at us now!  From the huge nitrogen gathering stations on Titan. To the water extraction plants on Europa and Callisto. Our way stations on Ceres and Vesta. To the agricultural colonies floating in Venus's atmosphere. All the supply ships in orbit around the sun. To our great flagship space station, the Pantheist and all of its manufacturing plants at L5. To our moon station and geostationary and low Earth orbit stations and of course to our little island in the sea back on Earth.
    We stand here together, in orbit of Mars, on this momentous day to complete that goal that was set so long ago by that great man. Although the Supreme Commander gave his life in a vain attempt to stop the meteor his spirit, his memory, and his vision lives on. On a personal note, although he has been called many a names: the Supreme Commander, one the greatest men to ever live, even a prophet, I just call him the grandfather I never got to know.
(Wait for applause)
    So it it is with great honor that I will relay the message from my mother, the Pro Tempore of Spaceport Terra, that she received from the Supreme Commander prior to his death that he thought should mark this glorious occasion.
    'Let's begin the terraforming of Mars by, from orbit, thickening the atmosphere by dropping large bales of hemp into it. The bombing begins in 5 minutes.'
    May knowledge be with you".........(Wait for applause)"

"DAMN IT! This speech sucks!" she screams.
 
2014-06-17 08:08:28 AM

HindiDiscoMonster: Yaw String: Ambivalence: Tarkus: LOL, terraform, we can't even maintain this planet.

The technologies developed for changing a hostile environment on an alien planet could be used to fix the problems with Earth's environment (and visa versa)

I've seen this movie before. It doesn't end well.

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yes... not well at all.


To be fair, though, it didn't start well, and the middle sucked, so really, what else was there except to end on the low note for consistency sake?
 
2014-06-17 08:10:02 AM

FirstNationalBastard: HindiDiscoMonster: Bad subby.... this is about terraforming not creating a planet.


Ah, but if you will recall. Genesis was originally meant for terraforming a planet quickly. It only created a planet from scratch after being used improperly.


Genesis? What's that?
 
2014-06-17 08:13:32 AM
Is this thread about illegal immigration or do we not care when we're doing it?
 
2014-06-17 08:15:29 AM
I'm getting a kick out of reading your responses because my first job out of school was for Magrathea
 
2014-06-17 08:17:00 AM

MetryPapi: FirstNationalBastard: HindiDiscoMonster: Bad subby.... this is about terraforming not creating a planet.


Ah, but if you will recall. Genesis was originally meant for terraforming a planet quickly. It only created a planet from scratch after being used improperly.

Genesis? What's that?


www.bbc.co.uk
 
2014-06-17 08:26:49 AM
 
2014-06-17 08:31:28 AM

FirstNationalBastard: MetryPapi: FirstNationalBastard: HindiDiscoMonster: Bad subby.... this is about terraforming not creating a planet.


Ah, but if you will recall. Genesis was originally meant for terraforming a planet quickly. It only created a planet from scratch after being used improperly.

Genesis? What's that?


img.fark.net

You see, their songs enter through the ears and wrap themselves around the cerebral cortex. This has the effect of rendering the victim extremely susceptible to suggestion. Later, as they grow, follows madness and death.
 
2014-06-17 08:38:40 AM
1. Terraform
2. Put up some Wal Marts, gas stations, bars
3. Strip mining operations commence
4. PROFIT
 
2014-06-17 08:41:24 AM
Terraforming? Not so much.
But for everything else, call these guys:
www.worldstopbrands.com
 
2014-06-17 08:55:25 AM
Mars has practically no magnetic field.

It'll take a lot of aluminum foil to keep at all those cosmic rays.
 
2014-06-17 09:01:10 AM

SpdrJay: Mars has practically no magnetic field.

It'll take a lot of aluminum foil to keep at all those cosmic rays.


http://www.pnnl.gov/main/publications/external/technical_reports/PNN L- 20693.pdf
 
2014-06-17 09:02:36 AM

give me doughnuts: Terraforming? Not so much.
But for everything else, call these guys:


I remember shooting a lot of those guys.
 
2014-06-17 09:12:28 AM

MetryPapi: FirstNationalBastard: HindiDiscoMonster: Bad subby.... this is about terraforming not creating a planet.


Ah, but if you will recall. Genesis was originally meant for terraforming a planet quickly. It only created a planet from scratch after being used improperly.

Genesis? What's that?


Don't insult my intelligence, Kirk.
 
2014-06-17 09:20:03 AM

agent00pi: give me doughnuts: Terraforming? Not so much.
But for everything else, call these guys:

I remember shooting a lot of those guys.


There are always two more.
Even in a different continuity:
images1.cliqueclack.com
 
2014-06-17 09:21:20 AM

SpdrJay: Mars has practically no magnetic field.

It'll take a lot of aluminum foil to keep at all those cosmic rays.


Less gravity means having to have a thicker atmosphere to get it where you want it. (14,000 feet of pressure?) A thicker atmosphere might attenuate cosmic rays somewhat compensating for the loss of a radiation belt. The problem is without a magnetic field, your atmosphere continuously erodes. (Venus has this problem, and apparently actually has a very thin comet like tail because of it.)

Screw these gravity wells. I think we could be perfectly happy in huge space faring habitats. Just requires some creative feng shui.
 
2014-06-17 09:24:51 AM

Tarkus: LOL, terraform, we can't even maintain this planet.


Yeah, and I think we're getting a little ahead of ourselves here.  Lets get there first before we start re-arranging the furniture.
 
2014-06-17 09:25:24 AM

Cymbal: Ambivalence: Tarkus: LOL, terraform, we can't even maintain this planet.

The technologies developed for changing a hostile environment on an alien planet could be used to fix the problems with Earth's environment (and visa versa)

Indeed.

Step one of terraforming would be normalizing oxygen and carbon dioxide levels in the atmosphere. Without doing that you might as well just build a biodome.


I saw that movie too, and lets just say it didn't end well.

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...Pauly Shore and Steven Baldwin both are still alive at the end of making the film. :(
 
2014-06-17 09:27:25 AM

give me doughnuts: agent00pi: give me doughnuts: Terraforming? Not so much.
But for everything else, call these guys:

I remember shooting a lot of those guys.

There are always two more.
Even in a different continuity:


Shiny.
 
2014-06-17 09:29:57 AM

Yaw String: Ambivalence: Tarkus: LOL, terraform, we can't even maintain this planet.

The technologies developed for changing a hostile environment on an alien planet could be used to fix the problems with Earth's environment (and visa versa)

I've seen this movie before. It doesn't end well.

[i65.photobucket.com image 400x600]


Sure, it's ridiculous, but, I've always liked that movie.
 
2014-06-17 09:30:42 AM

SpdrJay: Mars has practically no magnetic field.



Yup, generating a persistent magnetic field is the real first step.  Otherwise the solar winds strip away your atmosphere.   Maybe if we fill the center with nuclear waste we can turn the core molten?
 
2014-06-17 09:46:23 AM

DrunkenBob: SpdrJay: Mars has practically no magnetic field.


Yup, generating a persistent magnetic field is the real first step.  Otherwise the solar winds strip away your atmosphere.   Maybe if we fill the center with nuclear waste we can turn the core molten?


It may be wasteful, but if you can create an atmosphere from materials currently on Mars, then you just have to create a system that continually replenishes it at a rate faster than the solar wind strips it away.

Anyway, everyone seems to be missing the obvious solution. Just start the reactor.

/give dis people air!
 
2014-06-17 09:57:02 AM

Slaxl: DrunkenBob: SpdrJay: Mars has practically no magnetic field.


Yup, generating a persistent magnetic field is the real first step.  Otherwise the solar winds strip away your atmosphere.   Maybe if we fill the center with nuclear waste we can turn the core molten?

It may be wasteful, but if you can create an atmosphere from materials currently on Mars, then you just have to create a system that continually replenishes it at a rate faster than the solar wind strips it away.

Anyway, everyone seems to be missing the obvious solution. Just start the reactor.

/give dis people air!


Drop a bunch of comets on it.
 
2014-06-17 09:59:15 AM

Kibbler: 1. Terraform
2. Put up some Wal Marts, gas stations, bars
3. Strip mining operations commence
4. PROFIT


Nah. We'll be strip mining asteroids at that point.
 
2014-06-17 10:09:30 AM

Destructor: Screw these gravity wells. I think we could be perfectly happy in huge space faring habitats. Just requires some creative feng shuiKama Sutra.


I don't think this has been researched yet.
 
2014-06-17 10:12:02 AM

jso2897: Tarkus: LOL, terraform, we can't even maintain this planet.

Dude, it's a masturbatory fantasy - suspension of disbelief is required.
I mean, we are talking about running away from home so we don't have to clean up our room.


Well put.
 
2014-06-17 10:15:41 AM

turboke: Destructor: Screw these gravity wells. I think we could be perfectly happy in huge space faring habitats. Just requires some creative feng shuiKama Sutra.

I don't think this has been researched yet.


Both are good. Research should begin immediately.
 
2014-06-17 10:18:31 AM

MetryPapi: FirstNationalBastard: HindiDiscoMonster: Bad subby.... this is about terraforming not creating a planet.


Ah, but if you will recall. Genesis was originally meant for terraforming a planet quickly. It only created a planet from scratch after being used improperly.

Genesis? What's that?


Don't insult my intelligence Captain.
 
2014-06-17 10:18:37 AM

dittybopper: FirstNationalBastard: MetryPapi: FirstNationalBastard: HindiDiscoMonster: Bad subby.... this is about terraforming not creating a planet.


Ah, but if you will recall. Genesis was originally meant for terraforming a planet quickly. It only created a planet from scratch after being used improperly.

Genesis? What's that?

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You see, their songs enter through the ears and wrap themselves around the cerebral cortex. This has the effect of rendering the victim extremely susceptible to suggestion. Later, as they grow, follows madness and death.


www.paylasimdiyari.net

That was several generations ago. The process has since been improved to work at four times the speed as the original Genesis.
 
2014-06-17 10:41:48 AM

DrunkenBob: Yup, generating a persistent magnetic field is the real first step. Otherwise the solar winds strip away your atmosphere.

Over the timescale of billions of years.  Earth is habitable for another billion; if we terraform Mars between now and then the rate of atmospheric depletion won't be a concern.

We're not in any hurry.  What makes it unlikely is that we're damaging this planet far faster than any plans to rehabilitate Mars will get off the ground.
It's like we're trying to get to that part in Super Mario Brothers were you get infinite lives but lose all our lives trying to collect every last coin on World 1-1.  And yes, this analogy means we're stupendously bad at this game.
 
2014-06-17 10:51:02 AM
"We're getting a little ahead ourselves here arent we boys, this is just another mining camp."
 
2014-06-17 11:16:59 AM
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Just send a U.N. ship 40 years away. Watch out for mindworm boils though.
 
2014-06-17 11:27:06 AM
Just avoid using protomatter and you'll be fine.
 
2014-06-17 11:42:31 AM
I'm getting a kick out of reading your responses because my first job out of school was for Magrathea

You'd better hurry back to the office, or you'll be late...
 
2014-06-17 11:48:09 AM

SpdrJay: Mars has practically no magnetic field.

It'll take a lot of aluminum foil to keep at all those cosmic rays.


Sci-fi idea from the realm of Dyson spheres (but smaller).

Build a solar eclipse oriented satellite over mars that is solar powered and serves no purpose other than to create a large magnetic field between Mars and the Sun.
 
2014-06-17 11:53:48 AM
i just wish my gf would landscape... geez.
 
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