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(NYPost)   Boy in special-needs school points rolled-up paper "gun" at classmates. You can guess what happens next   (nypost.com) divider line 84
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2014-06-17 07:06:46 AM  

Boo_Guy: I don't think a day went by in grade school where someone didn't they were going to kill someone.

It doesn't mean I was going to go all columbiney,  it's just a phrase.

/Zero tolerance equals zero brains.


ZERO TOLERANCE = ZERO INTELLIGENCE

Learn it.
Know it.
Live it.
 
2014-06-17 07:32:26 AM  
Subby, you might not understand how this works yet, but responsible adults need to make rules like this that keep all of us safe.  Such rules, while often unpopular among those who value guns over the safety of our children, are ultimately how society comes up with REASONABLE policies that keep us all safer from the kind of people who own guns.
 
2014-06-17 07:52:13 AM  
Did they at least try rock, paper, scissors to sort it out?
 
2014-06-17 07:53:39 AM  
Good call.  

I'm sure there is now absolutely no chance he will return to said school in 8-10 years, pissed off and seeking revenge.
 
2014-06-17 07:53:43 AM  
Let me guess:
The retard got into trouble?

For suspending the student.


/if kid was a menace to other kids, I mean a real menace, then this is the wrong environment and I'd go with 1-to-1 teaching at home
 
2014-06-17 07:57:32 AM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Sounds like this kid has a pattern of threatening a particular girl.
Why the fnck is Mom helping him make paper shotguns?

/doesn't her kid deserve the real thing?


The pattern I threatens ing a particular girl is probably because he thinks she's pretty.
 
2014-06-17 07:58:40 AM  

dv-ous: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Sounds like this kid has a pattern of threatening a particular girl.
Why the fnck is Mom helping him make paper shotguns?

/doesn't her kid deserve the real thing?

The pattern I threatens ing a particular girl is probably because he thinks she's pretty.


"The pattern of threatening"

Proofreading. It works.
 
2014-06-17 08:08:40 AM  

HindiDiscoMonster: and there is where they failed.


I addressed that point of view.
 
2014-06-17 08:24:12 AM  

dittybopper: Boo_Guy: I don't think a day went by in grade school where someone didn't they were going to kill someone.

It doesn't mean I was going to go all columbiney,  it's just a phrase.

/Zero tolerance equals zero brains.

ZERO TOLERANCE = ZERO INTELLIGENCE

Learn it.
Know it.
Live it.


It's the private market at work. Deal with it, libtard.
 
2014-06-17 08:30:09 AM  
Should have tazed the hell out of that kid.
 
2014-06-17 08:33:40 AM  
Normally, I'm all in favor of yelling about the stupidity of school administrators. But this puts a bit of a different spin on it:

She added that the boy "had a concrete plan for killing [a female student] that he would not retract after discussion with our psych staff ... that he was physically and verbally aggressive at a whole new level only last week ...

I may have side with the school just this one time. The kid's not "retarded", he has ADHD and "problems communicating", so he has the cognitive capacity to grasp the concept of there being consequences for threats and physical aggression.
 
2014-06-17 08:35:21 AM  
"I may have side"

Side of beef with a side of fries?

[sigh]

That should be "I may have to side".

/moar coffee
 
2014-06-17 08:51:19 AM  
give the other kid a rock.
 
2014-06-17 09:07:53 AM  

Son of Thunder: Normally, I'm all in favor of yelling about the stupidity of school administrators. But this puts a bit of a different spin on it:

She added that the boy "had a concrete plan for killing [a female student] that he would not retract after discussion with our psych staff ... that he was physically and verbally aggressive at a whole new level only last week ...

I may have side with the school just this one time. The kid's not "retarded", he has ADHD and "problems communicating", so he has the cognitive capacity to grasp the concept of there being consequences for threats and physical aggression.


Agreed, but for all the talk of treating mental health issues to prevent school shootings, this seems counterproductive.  They have him in a system designed to deal with troubled kids and as soon as the "trouble" is the supposed threat of a gun...they throw him out?

Pretty stupid if you ask me.
 
2014-06-17 09:16:17 AM  

AngryDragon: Son of Thunder: Normally, I'm all in favor of yelling about the stupidity of school administrators. But this puts a bit of a different spin on it:

She added that the boy "had a concrete plan for killing [a female student] that he would not retract after discussion with our psych staff ... that he was physically and verbally aggressive at a whole new level only last week ...

I may have side with the school just this one time. The kid's not "retarded", he has ADHD and "problems communicating", so he has the cognitive capacity to grasp the concept of there being consequences for threats and physical aggression.

Agreed, but for all the talk of treating mental health issues to prevent school shootings, this seems counterproductive.  They have him in a system designed to deal with troubled kids and as soon as the "trouble" is the supposed threat of a gun...they throw him out?

Pretty stupid if you ask me.


His training was complete.
 
2014-06-17 09:40:46 AM  
The school claimed Asher also said he'd "kill'' a girl in a separate incident - a typical argument between youngsters. While her son may have made the threat, Spadone said, people use the word "kill'' all the time, and it shouldn't be taken literally. "Why, I say I'll kill people all the time," Spadone continued. "I'll kill the mailman for delivering my mail late. I'll kill my husband for complaining about dinner. I'll farking kill you if you misquote me."
 
2014-06-17 09:48:09 AM  
I know the kid is special needs and all, but that is one lame paper gun. At his age I made pretty accurate replicas of various armaments, trying to get the barrel, buttstock, sights and trigger just right. My dad encouraged it, but I think he was glad when I moved on to model ships and airplanes.

/ never owned a firearm
// never assaulted a classmate
/// except once with a medicine ball, but to be fair, I thought he'd catch it, not fall over trying!
 
2014-06-17 09:51:22 AM  
you make throwing stars out of paper, noob you use sticks to make guns.
 
2014-06-17 10:16:14 AM  

Theaetetus: The school claimed Asher also said he'd "kill'' a girl in a separate incident - a typical argument between youngsters. While her son may have made the threat, Spadone said, people use the word "kill'' all the time, and it shouldn't be taken literally. "Why, I say I'll kill people all the time," Spadone continued. "I'll kill the mailman for delivering my mail late. I'll kill my husband for complaining about dinner. I'll farking kill you if you misquote me."



She added that the boy "had a concrete plan for killing [a female student] that he would not retract after discussion with our psych staff ...


Kid's a psychopath.
 
2014-06-17 10:25:40 AM  

Headso: you make throwing stars out of paper, noob you use sticks to make guns.


Now we understand why he's special needs.
 
2014-06-17 10:42:49 AM  

HindiDiscoMonster: GoldSpider: Subby, you might not understand how this works yet, but responsible adults need to make rules like this that keep all of us safe.  Such rules, while often unpopular among those who value guns over the safety of our children, are ultimately how society comes up with REASONABLE policies that keep us all safer from the kind of people who own guns.

and there is where they failed.


They keep saying "Reasonable" and then they go all Dolores Umbridge on everybody.

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2014-06-17 10:45:14 AM  
I don't care. If we have to live in a country where every adult with a Wolverines sex fantasy and a sub-optimal IQ can arm himself to the teeth and walk around a Chipotle thumping his chest, then we might as well live in a country where every kid who crooks his fingers perpendicular and points the index at someone gets expelled.

If we're going to be retards about guns, we might as well be full spectrum retards. No sense in half-assing it.
 
2014-06-17 10:48:44 AM  

skozlaw: I don't care. If we have to live in a country where every adult with a Wolverines sex fantasy and a sub-optimal IQ can arm himself to the teeth and walk around a Chipotle thumping his chest, then we might as well live in a country where every kid who crooks his fingers perpendicular and points the index at someone gets expelled.

If we're going to be retards about guns, we might as well be full spectrum retards. No sense in half-assing it.


Mission Accomplished!
 
2014-06-17 11:07:42 AM  
The paper gun is just click bait in the story.  The kid's parents are getting divorced, he's hyperactive to start with so no big surprise that the kid is acting out.  But he reportedly has a concrete plan for harming another student, won't de-escalate or disavow the plan even after the teacher and the school psychologist intervenes.   That's not usual, even in a special education setting. The parents tell the Post that the "aggressive role model" comments made by school staff were based on the father's past military service- but did the school staff even know he was a vet? Dad's in private equity and Mom seems to be doing a pretty aggressive PR campaign against the school principal.  Maybe the aggressive role model comments are rooted in the parent's response to the discipline of the kid for the paper gun incident and not Dad's military service.


I'm skeptical that there was anything provision in the contract that granted a guaranteed a right of renewal or tied the schools hands on expelling students for violations of school rules- but if the parents can point to one I'm sure we'll see that brought up in litigation.  I'm sure that the parents of other students (especially the one this kid has targeted) who've paid a boatload of tuition might be inclined to argue that they don't pay that boatload of money so their kid can be threatened by this kid.  Explain it to Dad in terms he'll understand- his kid is being spun off so that the school can concentrate on their better performing assets.
 
2014-06-17 12:08:11 PM  
Actually, after reading the headlines, knowing it was a school, I expected a SWAT team, handcuffs, tazers and this 90 lb kid being rushed off to jail, where assorted shrinks and lawyers would be waiting to examine his poorly designed paper shotgun and getting ready to label him as a dangerous psychopath.

Far too many folks these days forget that kids are going to be kids and some form of play violence is included. That is natural because of the enormous amount of energy kids have. I wonder how long before taking a toy car and smashing it through walls made of toy blocks becomes an indicator of a potential mass murderer in kids?
 
2014-06-17 12:52:30 PM  
Why isn't there a zero tolerance policy for educators/administrator who cannot tell the difference between a real gun and a piece of paper?
 
2014-06-17 01:11:25 PM  
''he was physically and verbally aggressive at a whole new level only last week...''

Do schools like this keep video records of the kids?
 
2014-06-17 01:12:18 PM  

AngryDragon: Mission Accomplished!


Oh, no... no no no... we can be MUCH more retarded. Have faith.
 
2014-06-17 02:14:57 PM  
"I don't see it tenable at this stage that Asher receive a warning for the specific behavior we've agreed on targeting - i.e. use of pretend guns on fellow students and mention of killing.''
She added that the boy "had a concrete plan for killing [a female student] that he would not retract after discussion with our psych staff ... that he was physically and verbally aggressive at a whole new level only last week ... He might well present a risk to the emotional and possibly (though remotely so) physical safety and well-being of his classmates.''


~shrugs~  If they ignored it and he actually did something everyone would be screaming, "Why didn't you do anything??!?!?  You saw the signs!!!!!"
 
2014-06-17 02:46:13 PM  

phrawgh: A paper gun? That's bad enough. What if it been a paper drone?!?!?


Are you sure that's not a botched attempt at a paper dildo?
 
2014-06-17 03:03:43 PM  

Kuroboom: My guess was wrong. There was no mention of the kid being tazed anywhere in the article.


Or being shot 45 times.
 
2014-06-17 03:37:14 PM  
I don't see a good future for this kid.

At eight, he has been marked in the public record as a possbile menace. It is a mark that will not go away.

Do you think any other school that can avoid it is going to take a risk and enroll him in the future?
 
2014-06-17 04:11:22 PM  

darthaegis: "I don't see it tenable at this stage that Asher receive a warning for the specific behavior we've agreed on targeting - i.e. use of pretend guns on fellow students and mention of killing.''
She added that the boy "had a concrete plan for killing [a female student] that he would not retract after discussion with our psych staff ... that he was physically and verbally aggressive at a whole new level only last week ... He might well present a risk to the emotional and possibly (though remotely so) physical safety and well-being of his classmates.''

~shrugs~  If they ignored it and he actually did something everyone would be screaming, "Why didn't you do anything??!?!?  You saw the signs!!!!!"


Yea for once the article actuall has the "more to the story" in it.  This isn't 'zero tolerance' it's a troubled kid acting out.

On that note, I really hate the "special needs" thing being applied to every kid who doesn't go to regular school.  If your kid was expelled from regular school fro being out of control they are not "special needs", they are jerks who need (better)parents and intensive therapy.
 
2014-06-17 08:35:17 PM  

Rik01: Actually, after reading the headlines, knowing it was a school, I expected a SWAT team, handcuffs, tazers and this 90 lb kid being rushed off to jail, where assorted shrinks and lawyers would be waiting to examine his poorly designed paper shotgun and getting ready to label him as a dangerous psychopath.

Far too many folks these days forget that kids are going to be kids and some form of play violence is included. That is natural because of the enormous amount of energy kids have. I wonder how long before taking a toy car and smashing it through walls made of toy blocks becomes an indicator of a potential mass murderer in kids?


You know what i always found ironic? On -base day care for military dependent kids has a "no toy guns" policy, worldwide.

Kinda ironic, telling the kids they can't playact what their parents do for a living.
 
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