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2014-06-16 09:49:57 PM
Listen I can see the two sides of the issue of this because it is something upon which I have done quite the thinking of during the past six years of the life of me and will tell this to you that I am glad I am not the judge of this but perhaps if we can see the two sides we can all be those who do the judgings. One side of this says to me that yes of course they should do the playing at the parades of homosexuality. The other side of this says perhaps they should not.

Now the first side says look why would you not do this? You are the military band and would be quite the hit if you did the marching in the parade. Would you have gropings? Yes. But you are in the band in the military. It is like the job of the military of which most will do LAUGHTERINGS OLINGS to you. I KILLED 16 PEOPLE YESTERDAY says Alan to which Richard makes the reply OH YES WHILE I DID THE TUBA PLAYING. So you might as well just do this because you are not otherwise going to get much of the swooning.

The other side of this says why do we wish for doing this as it could seem as the sponsorship of the political issue and might lead the individuals who have the Republican leanings to do further cuttings to the funding of both the military and the arts and perhaps also tell poor people further they should have even less of the health care. Let us not do the poking of these individuals who might have the jealousy of the military of these parades because they must remain the closeted folk to keep the voting of the party of they.

In the conclusion I would say if they do the playing at one parade then they should do them at all because after all is there really such the thing as the parade that is not at least the little bit gay? OH HEY GUYS LET US GO TO THE PARADE FOR THE BACHELOR PARTY OF WE. If the boy said to me HEY LET US GO TO THE PARADE AT THE NIGHT I would think to the self of me that I had the friendzoning but would call Mitch who loves the parades and would just become the wheel of tertiary.

What is the opinion of you the Fark.com website?
 
2014-06-16 11:16:17 PM
So.......graduation day from BCT?

I'm confused here.
 
2014-06-16 11:19:05 PM

meow said the dog: Listen I can see the two sides of the issue of this because it is something upon which I have done quite the thinking of during the past six years of the life of me and will tell this to you that I am glad I am not the judge of this but perhaps if we can see the two sides we can all be those who do the judgings. One side of this says to me that yes of course they should do the playing at the parades of homosexuality. The other side of this says perhaps they should not.

Now the first side says look why would you not do this? You are the military band and would be quite the hit if you did the marching in the parade. Would you have gropings? Yes. But you are in the band in the military. It is like the job of the military of which most will do LAUGHTERINGS OLINGS to you. I KILLED 16 PEOPLE YESTERDAY says Alan to which Richard makes the reply OH YES WHILE I DID THE TUBA PLAYING. So you might as well just do this because you are not otherwise going to get much of the swooning.

The other side of this says why do we wish for doing this as it could seem as the sponsorship of the political issue and might lead the individuals who have the Republican leanings to do further cuttings to the funding of both the military and the arts and perhaps also tell poor people further they should have even less of the health care. Let us not do the poking of these individuals who might have the jealousy of the military of these parades because they must remain the closeted folk to keep the voting of the party of they.

In the conclusion I would say if they do the playing at one parade then they should do them at all because after all is there really such the thing as the parade that is not at least the little bit gay? OH HEY GUYS LET US GO TO THE PARADE FOR THE BACHELOR PARTY OF WE. If the boy said to me HEY LET US GO TO THE PARADE AT THE NIGHT I would think to the self of me that I had the friendzoning but would call Mitch who loves the parades and would just become the wheel of tertiary.

What is the opinion of you the Fark.com website?


I recognize the words, but they're not arranged in any organized fashion. I think meow is a robot trying to pass the Turing test.

Anyway, there's no good reason not to do it. It's designed to bring a civil rights issue to the forefront, and - strangely enough - the military has always been at the front of civil rights issues in the past. Now that the ban on homosexuality has been lifted, the military is perfectly right to say "yes, we will participate in this event which helps the morale of a subset of our ranks."

It's no different from a military colorguard participating in a Scottish-style highland games.
 
2014-06-16 11:20:43 PM

Rhino_man: It's no different from a military colorguard participating in a Scottish-style highland games.


www.hcpress.com

Nothing can be said that is gay about this picture.

Absolutely nothing.
 
2014-06-16 11:30:47 PM
Gays fight and sometimes die in our military, and always have.

They do it so we can have freedom.

What's wrong with honoring them?
 
2014-06-16 11:33:02 PM
We're making progress here, people. Let's not make a point with the National Guard when we should focus on the politicians and the public.

/IMHO.
 
2014-06-16 11:35:39 PM
How about we let them attend, but only if they promise not to tell anyone that they're military?
 
2014-06-16 11:36:51 PM
Misleading headline - it's about allowing a National Guard recruiting booth at the parade.

The guy in the article is bewailing depriving gays of the opportunity of signing up for military service at a parade.  The horror of not letting the military stick its dick in every crevice and orifice of your lives, like real Americans should.

I'm fairly sure that if someone wants to sign up, they're not thinking "oh I'll just wait until the Pride parade and sign up then".

/Meanwhile in New Zealand the military officially participates in the Pride parade, in uniform
//Disappointingly proper uniform, not a pair of booty shorts to be seen
 
2014-06-16 11:37:09 PM

hardinparamedic: Rhino_man: It's no different from a military colorguard participating in a Scottish-style highland games.

[www.hcpress.com image 850x1226]

Nothing can be said that is gay about this picture.

Absolutely nothing.


Oh I don't know. He looks happy doing something he enjoys.
 
2014-06-16 11:39:51 PM
I'm farking TIRED of these gay prides and their manufactured controversies. Prides now are just business events, PR for politicians, and great places to find a mouth for the night. SERIOUS FARKING BUSINESS, YO.

shiat DOWN AND SHUT UP, HOMOS.

/tired of it all
//ghey
 
2014-06-16 11:43:46 PM
Misguided. They were wrong to rescind their invitation to Manning and they are wrong to double down at trying to undo their mistake. You sure don't make allies inviting then disinviting.
 
2014-06-16 11:43:50 PM
Glad meow is back. DNRTFA and didn't read the thread. Meow is enough.

Yes I'm encouraging the nonsense.
Wanna fight about it?
 
2014-06-16 11:43:54 PM
LAUGHTER OL I did the misreading of the headline of this. Now I feel as dumb as many of you.
 
2014-06-16 11:44:10 PM

hardinparamedic: Rhino_man: It's no different from a military colorguard participating in a Scottish-style highland games.

[www.hcpress.com image 850x1226]

Nothing can be said that is gay about this picture.

Absolutely nothing.


All I see is a man in a skirt, grasping his metaphorical manhood by both bands, grasping it in such a manner as to propel his masculinity, and then making an effort to push it into the the ether as far (and deep) as he can.

/you're the real homophobe!
//j/k
///:-)
 
2014-06-16 11:45:07 PM
bands?  really?
 
2014-06-16 11:50:10 PM

ohsoferrety: I'm farking TIRED of these gay prides and their manufactured controversies. Prides now are just business events, PR for politicians, and great places to find a mouth for the night. SERIOUS FARKING BUSINESS, YO.

shiat DOWN AND SHUT UP, HOMOS.

/tired of it all
//ghey


I bet you go pretend to be ack and biatch about affirmative action too.
 
2014-06-16 11:51:11 PM
Well, on one hand, I'm sure there are plenty of gays who are somewhat leery of the military, current official stance or not. If I were the personal embodiment of the army, I would probably want to give history a chance to shake itself out before I started showing up to my former victims' parties and expecting a warm welcome.

On the other hand, it does seem like the SF GLBT people are choosing to take a political stance which is not, strictly speaking, relevant to their mission. (It would be one thing if Chelsea Manning were in prison because she was a transsexual, but she's in prison for espionage.)

I tend to agree with the "information wants to be freeeeeeee!!!" people, but it would be nice if single-issue groups would stick with their single issue and not try to become a one-stop political agenda shop.

Pride groups, the Komen foundation, and the NRA are, imo, wonderful examples of this sort of mission creep - organization who, in the past, I would and did support, but which have lost me somewhere along the way.
 
2014-06-16 11:51:59 PM

ohsoferrety: I'm farking TIRED of these gay prides and their manufactured controversies. Prides now are just business events, PR for politicians, and great places to find a mouth for the night. SERIOUS FARKING BUSINESS, YO.

shiat DOWN AND SHUT UP, HOMOS.

/tired of it all
//ghey


Sigh...OK, I'll bite - you have Patsy and Edina in your profile. Silencio.
 
2014-06-16 11:58:01 PM
Have you seen our new tanks?  They're fabulous!

static.panoramio.com
 
2014-06-17 12:03:39 AM
i917.photobucket.com
 
2014-06-17 12:10:08 AM
Manning, who now goes by the name Chelsea Elizabeth Manning, is again invited to be honorary grand marshal in this year's parade.
She was convicted last year of violating the Espionage Act for releasing classified military documents and sentenced to 35 years confinement, with a possible parole release in eight years.


What a biatch.
 
2014-06-17 12:12:45 AM
Chelsea Manning is a hero, I'm glad at least somebody recognizes that.  Does her sweet fark all of good but it's good that they at least made the statement.
 
2014-06-17 12:13:36 AM

Allen. The end.: ohsoferrety: I'm farking TIRED of these gay prides and their manufactured controversies. Prides now are just business events, PR for politicians, and great places to find a mouth for the night. SERIOUS FARKING BUSINESS, YO.

shiat DOWN AND SHUT UP, HOMOS.

/tired of it all
//ghey

Sigh...OK, I'll bite - you have Patsy and Edina in your profile. Silencio.


*dramatically puffs from his pink ecigarette* I'm just getting tired of this shiat. Is there someplace I can turn in my gay card? I didn't sign up for this. I support our boys in uniform more than our boys in spandex. Something tells me, these are the same "activists" trying to bring down people like RuPaul.

skainet.co
 
2014-06-17 12:17:27 AM

dv-ous: Well, on one hand, I'm sure there are plenty of gays who are somewhat leery of the military, current official stance or not. If I were the personal embodiment of the army, I would probably want to give history a chance to shake itself out before I started showing up to my former victims' parties and expecting a warm welcome.

On the other hand, it does seem like the SF GLBT people are choosing to take a political stance which is not, strictly speaking, relevant to their mission. (It would be one thing if Chelsea Manning were in prison because she was a transsexual, but she's in prison for espionage.)

I tend to agree with the "information wants to be freeeeeeee!!!" people, but it would be nice if single-issue groups would stick with their single issue and not try to become a one-stop political agenda shop.

Pride groups, the Komen foundation, and the NRA are, imo, wonderful examples of this sort of mission creep - organization who, in the past, I would and did support, but which have lost me somewhere along the way.


According the the constant announcements on AFN, it is also Pride month. So I'm a way it makes some sense. Generally, though, showing up at a political event in uniform is a bad thing and will get you in trouble.
 
2014-06-17 12:19:07 AM
Those comments are something... Somewhat surprising for the Bay Area, but then again any idiot can probably comment there.

Actual comment (from someone calling himself/herself "Heterosupremicist" [sic])
IDIOT TROLL IDJIT COMMENT# 4575685585
WE KNOW YOUT"RE DYING OF AIDS BUGCHASER
 
2014-06-17 12:25:01 AM

dv-ous: Well, on one hand, I'm sure there are plenty of gays who are somewhat leery of the military, current official stance or not. If I were the personal embodiment of the army, I would probably want to give history a chance to shake itself out before I started showing up to my former victims' parties and expecting a warm welcome.


You do realize that the ban on gays was forced onto the military by congress and the president, right?  Worst case the military cared about gays before that was considering them a security risk if they were 'in the closet'.  Why?  Because their being gay could theoretically be used to blackmail them into giving up military secrets.  Same deal with gambling debts, infidelity, etc...

Oddly enough, despite the overall extreme anti-gay feelings of the day, that meant that you weren't a security risk if you were flamboyantly open about it.  Though you experienced negatives about that as well, seeing as how society as a whole wasn't too accepting back then.

BTW, my commander is openly gay.  He must of gotten married within a week of DOMA being shot down.
 
2014-06-17 12:26:38 AM

meow said the dog: Listen I can see the two sides of the issue of this because it is something upon which I have done quite the thinking of during the past six years of the life of me and will tell this to you that I am glad I am not the judge of this but perhaps if we can see the two sides we can all be those who do the judgings. One side of this says to me that yes of course they should do the playing at the parades of homosexuality. The other side of this says perhaps they should not.

Now the first side says look why would you not do this? You are the military band and would be quite the hit if you did the marching in the parade. Would you have gropings? Yes. But you are in the band in the military. It is like the job of the military of which most will do LAUGHTERINGS OLINGS to you. I KILLED 16 PEOPLE YESTERDAY says Alan to which Richard makes the reply OH YES WHILE I DID THE TUBA PLAYING. So you might as well just do this because you are not otherwise going to get much of the swooning.

The other side of this says why do we wish for doing this as it could seem as the sponsorship of the political issue and might lead the individuals who have the Republican leanings to do further cuttings to the funding of both the military and the arts and perhaps also tell poor people further they should have even less of the health care. Let us not do the poking of these individuals who might have the jealousy of the military of these parades because they must remain the closeted folk to keep the voting of the party of they.

In the conclusion I would say if they do the playing at one parade then they should do them at all because after all is there really such the thing as the parade that is not at least the little bit gay? OH HEY GUYS LET US GO TO THE PARADE FOR THE BACHELOR PARTY OF WE. If the boy said to me HEY LET US GO TO THE PARADE AT THE NIGHT I would think to the self of me that I had the friendzoning but would call Mitch who loves the parades and would just become the wheel of tertiary ...


Oh wow.  I've missed you.
 
2014-06-17 12:29:38 AM

dv-ous: On the other hand, it does seem like the SF GLBT people are choosing to take a political stance which is not, strictly speaking, relevant to their mission. (It would be one thing if Chelsea Manning were in prison because she was a transsexual, but she's in prison for espionage.)


This is San Francisco.  Think about the gay movement.  Now give that gay movement the San Francisco treatment.  Ergo, this.

Chelsea Manning can EABOD though.
 
2014-06-17 12:35:38 AM

ohsoferrety: shiat DOWN AND SHUT UP, HOMOS.


shiat down? Is it possible to shiat up?  Even for a homo?
 
2014-06-17 12:36:34 AM
If you treated gays like normal people they'd shut up the same day.
 
2014-06-17 12:45:18 AM

aerojockey: Chelsea Manning can EABOD though.


Pretty much.  He had two options at the time:
1.  Keep mouth shut, serve remainder of enlistment, get out with no prison sentence, GI Bill, VA loan eligibility, etc...
2.  Go to mental health and confess trannyhood.  Probably get kicked out relatively quickly due to mental/health concerns, still have most of the above intact.
3.  Go 'full tranny', show up in female uniform, get a bad conduct, lose the above, but don't see the inside of prison.

I'm not going to pretend that the DoD isn't leery about transexuals, most of the country still is, and I think there's legitimate questions about the military readiness of somebody on hormone replacement therapy and/or being surgically modified.  IE it's a 'can you survive being suddenly without your meds in austere/extreme conditions?'
 
2014-06-17 12:46:49 AM
Can someone transport me into the future where stuff like this isn't even an afterthought?
 
2014-06-17 12:55:13 AM

Firethorn: aerojockey: Chelsea Manning can EABOD though.

Pretty much.  He had two options at the time:
1.  Keep mouth shut, serve remainder of enlistment, get out with no prison sentence, GI Bill, VA loan eligibility, etc...
2.  Go to mental health and confess trannyhood.  Probably get kicked out relatively quickly due to mental/health concerns, still have most of the above intact.
3.  Go 'full tranny', show up in female uniform, get a bad conduct, lose the above, but don't see the inside of prison.

I'm not going to pretend that the DoD isn't leery about transexuals, most of the country still is, and I think there's legitimate questions about the military readiness of somebody on hormone replacement therapy and/or being surgically modified.  IE it's a 'can you survive being suddenly without your meds in austere/extreme conditions?'


Ain't all that keen on them learning books an science now are yah?
 
2014-06-17 01:05:42 AM

studebaker hoch: Gays fight and sometimes die in our military, and always have.

They do it so we can have freedom.

What's wrong with honoring them?


Well, we haven't actually had a war to protect freedom in seven or eight decades, all the ones more recent than that have pretty much been to suppress other people's freedom.

So in a sense, if that's you logic then maybe there  is a problem with it.
 
2014-06-17 01:19:42 AM

nyseattitude: Ain't all that keen on them learning books an science now are yah?


I suggest staying away from books that suggest the earth is flat and evolution is a lie.

The US Military is not a place to do transition.  Though perhaps 'survive' is a touch extreme, but in my defense I was thinking about conditions where you might be having to evade enemy soldiers looking for you, where the odds aren't good anyways.  In short, physical and mental performance are still extremely important, and I'm pretty sure losing your testosterone or estrogen would be bad.
 
2014-06-17 01:27:57 AM
Jim_Callahan

So in a sense, if that's you logic then maybe there  is a problem with it.

LOL ok.  America is becoming a corporate warfare state.

/Is the "fighting and dying" stuff enough to give the gays any credit at all for their service?
 
2014-06-17 01:31:38 AM
Well most members of the d&bc are queer anyway big deal we wait for the next election to fix some things
 
2014-06-17 01:35:31 AM
I saw the Long Beach Police Department represented at that city's pride event in 2012, and it was very cool to see.
 
2014-06-17 02:01:28 AM
LGBT Pride Month on AFN
Posted on May 27, 2014
LGBT Pride Month is an opportunity for Americans to demonstrate to the world the true meaning of freedom and equality. LGBT Pride Month is a time to understand the struggles, achievements and contributions made by members of the LGBT community and to recognize with pride, that they now serve openly, with full honor, integrity and respect. In recognition of this commemorative month, AFN has planned special programming to air on AFN|spectrum, AFN|pulse, AFN|xtra and AFN|movie.
AFN's recognition of LGBT Pride Month begins on June 1st with "Stonewall Uprising," the dramatic event that launched a global rights movement, and concludes June 27th at 9:30pm with an encore showing of "The Normal Heart," starring Julia Roberts and Jonathan Groff.
 http://myafn.wordpress.com/category/uncategorized/
 
2014-06-17 02:06:19 AM

aerojockey: dv-ous: On the other hand, it does seem like the SF GLBT people are choosing to take a political stance which is not, strictly speaking, relevant to their mission. (It would be one thing if Chelsea Manning were in prison because she was a transsexual, but she's in prison for espionage.)

This is San Francisco.  Think about the gay movement.  Now give that gay movement the San Francisco treatment.  Ergo, this.


They have to find -something- to be victims of, otherwise what would be the point of going to all that trouble organizing a big get-together to biatch about it?
31.media.tumblr.com
 
2014-06-17 02:21:21 AM
So, they honor a criminal and ban the ones that are protecting their rights to have their event?

Good going.  I'm sure this will endear you to all the vets that have supported your cause in the past.
 
2014-06-17 02:43:21 AM

Bigdogdaddy: So, they honor a criminal and ban the ones that are protecting their rights to have their event?

Good going.  I'm sure this will endear you to all the vets that have supported your cause in the past.


Remember, not facts, not positions, not morality, really nothing at all matters when you view life solely through the lens of sexuality to the rejection of all other factors. When you see people that have the world simplified only to 'gay' and 'not gay', they will support 'gay' unreservedly regardless of other merits.
 (in this case, its actually 'gay' versus 'gay', so the tiebreaker is inevitably who is 'more gay', and right now 'tranny' equals more gay points than just regular gay)

/It is fun to note though that the gay hierarchy ratings used to be reversed in past years, with trannies not even really accepted as gay, and often ridiculed and rejected by the gay mainstream. That changed when mainstream gays got recognition, and they still needed someone 'oppressed' to rally behind. Then the trannies instantly became their dearly beloved poster children instead of the ones that got picked last for the team.
//Crass, yes. Opportunistic, yes. However, the gay culture right now cannot exist without victimhood, and the trannies are their last, best hope.
 
2014-06-17 02:56:17 AM

Bigdogdaddy: So, they honor a criminal and ban the ones that are protecting their rights to have their event?

Good going.  I'm sure this will endear you to all the vets that have supported your cause in the past.


Eh, I think that ship's probably sailed.  One of the major points of agreement that unites the vast majority of gay people and the vast majority of straight people in flawless, unified harmony is that the parade people are a bunch of annoying, supercilious twats.  Verbiage varies but the sentiment is constant, those guys are terrible and no one really wants them around.

Hell, when that became clear to everybody was pretty much when the gay marriage movement really kicked off and started passing everywhere in landslides:

Straight Guy: I dunno, man, gay people are kinda icky.
Gay guy: What?  I'm totally gay, and we have basically identical habits.  See?  That's even my stapler you just borrowed.
Straight guy: Yeah, but what about all the parades and the sequins and assless chaps and shiat?
Gay guy: Oh, yeah, those guys are assholes.
Straight guy: Y'know, now that I think about it, high-visibility straight people always going on about  how straight they are all goddamned jerkasses, too.
Gay guy: We have so much in common, and work's done, let'shiat the bar.
Straight guy: What, like a gay bar?
Gay guy: fark no, places designed around pick-up artist bullshiat are creepy as hell.  Let's find one with a pool table and cheap beer.
Straight guy: Another point of common experience.  I guess we're not so different after all.
Gay guy: Indeed.  Truly a valuable lesson has been learned today.

*exit guys, possibly riding horses into sunset*
*drop "The More You Know(TM)" banner*
 
2014-06-17 03:11:12 AM

Jim_Callahan: One of the major points of agreement that unites the vast majority of gay people and the vast majority of straight people in flawless, unified harmony is that the parade people are a bunch of annoying, supercilious twats.


So true. I had to host a booth at a couple of those, and even my gay employees wanted to go beat up twinks for weeks after that.
 
2014-06-17 03:42:46 AM

fusillade762: ohsoferrety: shiat DOWN AND SHUT UP, HOMOS.

shiat down? Is it possible to shiat up?  Even for a homo?


Based on a pic I saw a while back that had a girl in a tub, I'm going with 'very yes'. I have no idea which way she swings though, or if that was even a factor.
 
2014-06-17 06:30:55 AM

Bigdogdaddy: So, they honor a criminal and ban the ones that are protecting their rights to have their event?

Good going.  I'm sure this will endear you to all the vets that have supported your cause in the past.


Manning is only a "criminal" if you believe America has the right to lie, steal and murder its way through history without reprecussions.
 
2014-06-17 06:41:20 AM

AirForceVet: We're making progress here, people. Let's not make a point with the National Guard when we should focus on the politicians and the public.

/IMHO.


People want press and since they are welcome almost everywhere or nobody cares if you're gay any longer its an easy target guaranteed to get press to bring their parade back to the forefront.
 
2014-06-17 07:28:06 AM

Noticeably F.A.T.: fusillade762: ohsoferrety: shiat DOWN AND SHUT UP, HOMOS.

shiat down? Is it possible to shiat up?  Even for a homo?

Based on a pic I saw a while back that had a girl in a tub, I'm going with 'very yes'. I have no idea which way she swings though, or if that was even a factor.


Beat me to it. I was gonna say [tubgirl.jpg]
/Back off, she's taken
 
2014-06-17 08:27:02 AM
It'll be a little weird at first, but I can think of no GOOD reason not to, so long as they conduct themselves in a dignified military manner and are treated as such by the rest of the parade.  You never know, pride rallies can go off the deep end pretty fast.  After a few years nobody will notice.
 
2014-06-17 09:11:11 AM

studebaker hoch: If you treated gays like normal people they'd shut up the same day.


I'm calling bullshiat on that one.
 
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