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2014-06-16 01:41:30 PM
A highway patrol motorcycle officer rolled up alongside his car after seeing the glow from the screen on Mr. Spriggs's face.

"I held it up and said, 'It's a map,' " Mr. Spriggs said. He was not talking on the phone, which is prohibited by California law.

But the police officer would not budge
. "He said, 'Pull over, it doesn't matter,' " said Mr. Spriggs, the director of planned giving at California State University, Fresno.
An appeals court ruled this year that it did matter, and Mr. Spriggs's conviction was reversed.


This is the real problem.
Hey, cop, go kill yourself.
 
2014-06-16 01:44:11 PM
"They (i.e., government) don't have enough software engineers," said Catherine McCullough, executive director of the Intelligent Car Coalition, an industry group. "They don't have the budget or the structure to oversee both Silicon Valley and the auto industry."

Um....this would appear to be the foundation for an argument that government needs more funding to hire more software engineers to conduct more oversight. It doesn't appear to be making the point that you think it's making.

Anyway, let's just say that no new rules are necessary, but every time a driver is caught texting while driving, he or she loses a finger. I'd be good with that.
 
2014-06-16 01:57:41 PM

Pocket Ninja: "They (i.e., government) don't have enough software engineers," said Catherine McCullough, executive director of the Intelligent Car Coalition, an industry group. "They don't have the budget or the structure to oversee both Silicon Valley and the auto industry."

Um....this would appear to be the foundation for an argument that government needs more funding to hire more software engineers to conduct more oversight. It doesn't appear to be making the point that you think it's making.

Anyway, let's just say that no new rules are necessary, but every time a driver is caught texting while driving, he or she loses a finger. I'd be good with that.


This wouldn't be a new rule? I think modifying the existing rules suffices, as long as it remains a traffic enforcement piece.

What I am afraid of with the wording of the arguments is the creation of a new lobby, wherein comms companies try to outspend each other for approval of their map app.
 
2014-06-16 02:01:21 PM
Self-drive cars cannot get here fast enough
 
2014-06-16 02:06:20 PM
I follow a strict texting-while-driving rule; it's okay if you are stopped dead while in traffic or at a red light. If you're moving, DO NOT DO IT.
 
2014-06-16 02:12:33 PM
The measure, included in the Obama administration, would specify that the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration has the authority to set restrictions on the apps and later order changes if they are deemed dangerous, much the way it currently regulates mechanical features of cars.

LOL good luck with that.
I'm in your smartphone, regulating your apps
 
2014-06-16 02:31:27 PM
CTRL + F and "injury"..... nothing in the article
CTRL + F and "injuries" ...... nothing in the article
CTRL + F and "deaths" ...... nothing in the article
CTRL + F and "accidents" ........ nothing in the article

Hmmmm, it's almost as if there is no evidence that they're dangerous whatsoever.
 
2014-06-16 02:35:35 PM
Frankly, Scarlet, I don't give a Garmin
 
2014-06-16 02:59:22 PM
I travel a lot and I'm really surprised at how accurate the GPS thing is. The directions aren't always completely correct but the maps are pretty accurate. It's pretty impressive, actually.
 
2014-06-16 03:03:59 PM

Mugato: I travel a lot and I'm really surprised at how accurate the GPS thing is. The directions aren't always completely correct but the maps are pretty accurate. It's pretty impressive, actually.


I'm more impressed (more like depressed) with how completely dependent I've become on my phone's GPS. I've only had a phone with GPS capability for about three years, before that I used, you know, maps, road signs and intuition like everyone else. A few weeks ago I had to drive to a wedding and my phone died about halfway there. I was completely lost and had to pull into a gas station to get directions.

In 25 years will we even be able to tell east from west?
 
2014-06-16 03:11:25 PM
In other news: Most of you are shiat drivers.
 
2014-06-16 03:11:57 PM

miss diminutive: Mugato: I travel a lot and I'm really surprised at how accurate the GPS thing is. The directions aren't always completely correct but the maps are pretty accurate. It's pretty impressive, actually.

I'm more impressed (more like depressed) with how completely dependent I've become on my phone's GPS. I've only had a phone with GPS capability for about three years, before that I used, you know, maps, road signs and intuition like everyone else. A few weeks ago I had to drive to a wedding and my phone died about halfway there. I was completely lost and had to pull into a gas station to get directions.

In 25 years will we even be able to tell east from west?


I'm a moron with directions. But when I get to a new city I can just type in "liquor store" and I can find some hooch, even if the directions aren't exact. It's really an impressive technology.
 
2014-06-16 03:26:17 PM

miss diminutive: Mugato: I travel a lot and I'm really surprised at how accurate the GPS thing is. The directions aren't always completely correct but the maps are pretty accurate. It's pretty impressive, actually.

I'm more impressed (more like depressed) with how completely dependent I've become on my phone's GPS. I've only had a phone with GPS capability for about three years, before that I used, you know, maps, road signs and intuition like everyone else. A few weeks ago I had to drive to a wedding and my phone died about halfway there. I was completely lost and had to pull into a gas station to get directions.

In 25 years will we even be able to tell east from west?


There is a solution to that:  Don't depend on GPS.  Paper maps don't have batteries that die on you at the most inopportune times.

I'm not some sort of cartological cyber-Luddite, perhaps my most favorite bit of software is Google Earth.  But convenience can often be a crutch that you get used to, and if you don't walk without the crutch once in a while, you may eventually find that you can't walk without it.
 
2014-06-16 03:42:18 PM

dittybopper: Paper maps don't have batteries that die on you at the most inopportune times.


i236.photobucket.com

Does not approve and such as.
 
2014-06-16 03:49:46 PM

dittybopper: There is a solution to that:  Don't depend on GPS.  Paper maps don't have batteries that die on you at the most inopportune times.


Yeah but if you're in a car you can plug the phone in. If you're not in a motor vehicle and you're lost then you're already dead.
 
2014-06-16 03:54:25 PM

dittybopper: miss diminutive: Mugato: I travel a lot and I'm really surprised at how accurate the GPS thing is. The directions aren't always completely correct but the maps are pretty accurate. It's pretty impressive, actually.

I'm more impressed (more like depressed) with how completely dependent I've become on my phone's GPS. I've only had a phone with GPS capability for about three years, before that I used, you know, maps, road signs and intuition like everyone else. A few weeks ago I had to drive to a wedding and my phone died about halfway there. I was completely lost and had to pull into a gas station to get directions.

In 25 years will we even be able to tell east from west?

There is a solution to that:  Don't depend on GPS.  Paper maps don't have batteries that die on you at the most inopportune times.

I'm not some sort of cartological cyber-Luddite, perhaps my most favorite bit of software is Google Earth.  But convenience can often be a crutch that you get used to, and if you don't walk without the crutch once in a while, you may eventually find that you can't walk without it.


I get where you're coming from, but how hard is it to keep your phone charged in the car?   Most phone can be chagmrged by something that plugs into a USB port, and pretty much every new car built in the last several years has at least one USB port.  You don't even need a fancy cat charger anymore.

I'd also argue that phone based navigation isbsafwr than using a map.  A phone is compact and highlights the information you need at that moment.  Paper maps are bulky and you have to search more visually to orient yourself on one.
 
2014-06-16 04:04:38 PM
upload.wikimedia.org

Congress has managed to thwart his nefarious scheme.

/Obscure?
 
2014-06-16 04:09:17 PM

TuteTibiImperes: I get where you're coming from, but how hard is it to keep your phone charged in the car?   Most phone can be chagmrged by something that plugs into a USB port, and pretty much every new car built in the last several years has at least one USB port.  You don't even need a fancy cat charger anymore.

I'd also argue that phone based navigation isbsafwr than using a map.  A phone is compact and highlights the information you need at that moment.  Paper maps are bulky and you have to search more visually to orient yourself on one.


What happens when the phone dies?

What happens if the cord doesn't work?  Hell, the distaffbopper has gone through at least 3 cords for her cell phone, and it's only a couple years old at most*.  What if you forget the cord?

And I'm not saying "don't ever use them", I'm saying "don't rely 100% on them".  Hell, I'll sometimes use the iPod for its maps.  But I keep paper maps in the car, and I use them often.   Or I'll print out instructions from Google Maps and use that, if it's an area I don't actually have a map for.

As for using them safely, if you really need to study the map, you can always pull over and do it safely, but that's just a common sense thing.

*I've tried to teach her about not stressing the connectors, but does she listen?  Noooooooo.
 
2014-06-16 04:12:08 PM

Dimensio: [upload.wikimedia.org image 250x189]

Congress has managed to thwart his nefarious scheme.

/Obscure?


Is that the Twilight Zone episode with George Jefferson?
 
2014-06-16 04:13:08 PM

Mugato: Dimensio: [upload.wikimedia.org image 250x189]

Congress has managed to thwart his nefarious scheme.

/Obscure?

Is that the Twilight Zone episode with George Jefferson?


Is nothing obscure on Fark?
 
2014-06-16 04:16:22 PM

Dimensio: Mugato: Dimensio: [upload.wikimedia.org image 250x189]

Congress has managed to thwart his nefarious scheme.

/Obscure?

Is that the Twilight Zone episode with George Jefferson?

Is nothing obscure on Fark?


Not when I'm around.
 
2014-06-16 04:19:55 PM
What about masturbating while driving? We're still good on that right?
 
2014-06-16 04:22:04 PM

Anayalator: Pocket Ninja: "They (i.e., government) don't have enough software engineers," said Catherine McCullough, executive director of the Intelligent Car Coalition, an industry group. "They don't have the budget or the structure to oversee both Silicon Valley and the auto industry."

Um....this would appear to be the foundation for an argument that government needs more funding to hire more software engineers to conduct more oversight. It doesn't appear to be making the point that you think it's making.

Anyway, let's just say that no new rules are necessary, but every time a driver is caught texting while driving, he or she loses a finger. I'd be good with that.

This wouldn't be a new rule? I think modifying the existing rules suffices, as long as it remains a traffic enforcement piece.

What I am afraid of with the wording of the arguments is the creation of a new lobby, wherein comms companies try to outspend each other for approval of their map app.


We're all boned if Apple wins
 
2014-06-16 04:24:02 PM
I don't have a GPS and I manage to get to where ever it is I am going.
 
2014-06-16 04:24:08 PM
But what am I going to blame when I drive into the river?
 
2014-06-16 04:24:33 PM
So, just get a car mount phone holder for your dash? Some cheap POS like this?

This article hurts my brain.
 
2014-06-16 04:24:45 PM

ChipNASA: What about masturbating while driving? We're still good on that right?


As long as it involves people shoving their stupid GPS devices up their asses, I'm all for it.
 
2014-06-16 04:26:05 PM

Mugato: Dimensio: Mugato: Dimensio: [upload.wikimedia.org image 250x189]

Congress has managed to thwart his nefarious scheme.

/Obscure?

Is that the Twilight Zone episode with George Jefferson?

Is nothing obscure on Fark?

Not when I'm around.


Hell is a place much like Duluth.
 
2014-06-16 04:26:43 PM
Got that tax code all overhauled and the Banks all regulated already? Surely they must have if they are worried about this kind of piddly crap.
 
2014-06-16 04:26:52 PM

miss diminutive: Mugato: I travel a lot and I'm really surprised at how accurate the GPS thing is. The directions aren't always completely correct but the maps are pretty accurate. It's pretty impressive, actually.

I'm more impressed (more like depressed) with how completely dependent I've become on my phone's GPS. I've only had a phone with GPS capability for about three years, before that I used, you know, maps, road signs and intuition like everyone else. A few weeks ago I had to drive to a wedding and my phone died about halfway there. I was completely lost and had to pull into a gas station to get directions.

In 25 years will we even be able to tell east from west?


I actually try to not use my phone GPS so that I don't become as reliant as you have, because I know that I would be like that.
 
2014-06-16 04:27:50 PM

TuteTibiImperes: You don't even need a fancy cat charger anymore.


I'm not sure what you were using a cat charger for in the first place.  They always get mad when I try to plug them in.
 
2014-06-16 04:27:53 PM

Dimensio: Mugato: Dimensio: [upload.wikimedia.org image 250x189]

Congress has managed to thwart his nefarious scheme.

/Obscure?

Is that the Twilight Zone episode with George Jefferson?

Is nothing obscure on Fark?


Right-click image -> Search Google for this image

Nope. Nothing is obscure on fark.
 
2014-06-16 04:29:17 PM
Every Driver in America to Congress: GO. FARK. YOURSELF. SIDEWAYS. WITH. A. FROZEN. RAKFISK. WRAPPED.IN.RUSTY.BARBED.WIRE.
 
2014-06-16 04:29:40 PM

wiseolddude: I don't have a GPS and I manage to get to where ever it is I am going.


That's because, as your handle implies, you are not a farking moron.
I can't figure out how some of these farkers can get out of their houses
in the morning without killing themselves. Let 'em get lost, I say.
It would benefit the freakin gene pool.
 
2014-06-16 04:29:54 PM
I'm wondering what stand alone GPS system has been lobbying their congressperson to create "regulations" that said GPS maker already complies with.
 
2014-06-16 04:30:39 PM
"I held it up and said, 'It's a map,' " Mr. Spriggs said. He was not talking on the phone, which is prohibited by California law.

Good thing I'm not a cop because I would run out of bullets everyday.
 
2014-06-16 04:30:44 PM
Bravo for that headline, subby. I chortled.
 
2014-06-16 04:30:59 PM
GOPGPS: get lost
 
2014-06-16 04:31:26 PM
This will make traveling an adventure again!

www.chevychasecentral.com
 
2014-06-16 04:32:07 PM
I don't get subby.  An executive agency is agitating for this dumb pile of crap and just in case they can't slip yet another overreach by the courts the executive itself is putting it into it's proposed law it sends to congress.

This is quite literally an unironic instance of thanks Obama! yet subby is blaming congress???
 
2014-06-16 04:32:22 PM

TuteTibiImperes: I get where you're coming from, but how hard is it to keep your phone charged in the car?   Most phone can be chagmrged by something that plugs into a USB port, and pretty much every new car built in the last several years has at least one USB port.  You don't even need a fancy cat charger anymore.

I'd also argue that phone based navigation isbsafwr than using a map.  A phone is compact and highlights the information you need at that moment.  Paper maps are bulky and you have to search more visually to orient yourself on one.


A fancy cat charger?   What about normal cats?

Voice navigation is great, especially if you've bothered to at least glance at the route on google maps before you leave.

/except when it assumes that when you type in an address it assumes you mean some town 200 miles south of you when in fact you meant the town where you happen to be in so you spend 10 minutes hearing it tell you to turn around when you know you're going in the right direction to begin with.
 
2014-06-16 04:33:47 PM
When the government is done, a new Tomtom will cost just under $4000.
WHAT A DEAL!
 
2014-06-16 04:35:43 PM

dittybopper: TuteTibiImperes: I get where you're coming from, but how hard is it to keep your phone charged in the car?   Most phone can be chagmrged by something that plugs into a USB port, and pretty much every new car built in the last several years has at least one USB port.  You don't even need a fancy cat charger anymore.

I'd also argue that phone based navigation isbsafwr than using a map.  A phone is compact and highlights the information you need at that moment.  Paper maps are bulky and you have to search more visually to orient yourself on one.

What happens when the phone dies?

What happens if the cord doesn't work?  Hell, the distaffbopper has gone through at least 3 cords for her cell phone, and it's only a couple years old at most*.  What if you forget the cord?

And I'm not saying "don't ever use them", I'm saying "don't rely 100% on them".  Hell, I'll sometimes use the iPod for its maps.  But I keep paper maps in the car, and I use them often.   Or I'll print out instructions from Google Maps and use that, if it's an area I don't actually have a map for.

As for using them safely, if you really need to study the map, you can always pull over and do it safely, but that's just a common sense thing.

*I've tried to teach her about not stressing the connectors, but does she listen?  Noooooooo.


As far as I'm concerned, all of this is correct. However, I don't think the DoT has a say in navigational apps.
 
2014-06-16 04:37:11 PM
 If only there was something that has been around for a coupl'a thousand years that would help a person determine the direction in which they are facing.
 
2014-06-16 04:37:24 PM

SnakeLee: CTRL + F and "injury"..... nothing in the article
CTRL + F and "injuries" ...... nothing in the article
CTRL + F and "deaths" ...... nothing in the article
CTRL + F and "accidents" ........ nothing in the article

Hmmmm, it's almost as if there is no evidence that they're dangerous whatsoever.


THIS.  In a nation where we give people a DL when they pass a test ONCE as a teenager (and not even a hard one), there is absolutely NO justification for saying "Oh that's too dangerous" so damn selectively.

That goes for DUI below .15 and for all the other stupid claims made.
 
2014-06-16 04:37:30 PM
This reminds me of seeing people with the maps app open on their phone while they're walking around but are lost. How the hell can you get lost using your phone as guidance? Can you people even read a regular map? I can use an atlas to travel anywhere so for me a GPS enabled phone with map is like having a personal assistant. It's awesome.
 
2014-06-16 04:37:30 PM

SnakeLee: CTRL + F and "injury"..... nothing in the article
CTRL + F and "injuries" ...... nothing in the article
CTRL + F and "deaths" ...... nothing in the article
CTRL + F and "accidents" ........ nothing in the article

Hmmmm, it's almost as if there is no evidence that they're dangerous whatsoever.



So a drunk driver that doesn't get in an accident is ok in your book?
 
2014-06-16 04:37:31 PM
hmmm, hasn't then been a past excuse to ban Uber and Lyft because using the app by the drivers was too distracting?

I don't know if I'm getting better at reading between the lines or just more paranoid as I get older.
 
2014-06-16 04:37:55 PM
It's cheap and efficient and works as intended.

Clearly this needs Washington regulators on it.
 
2014-06-16 04:38:47 PM
Regulators maintain that they already have the authority over navigation aids and merely want it clearly written into law.

If it's not already clearly written into law,  YOU DO NOT HAVE THAT AUTHORITY!!! That's how the whole "law" thing works.
 
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