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(Huffington Post)   The ten most religious states in the U.S. are also the ten states that have the worst schools, highest rates of obesity, lowest life expectancy, lowest overall health, lowest minimum wage and of course highest consumption of online pornography   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 110
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2014-06-16 12:02:41 PM
What the OP missed is also there's no natural resources of raping the land to give people jobs- so did you take that into consideration?  No, of course not
 
2014-06-16 12:22:38 PM
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2014-06-16 12:28:19 PM
You're looking at this all wrong, subby.  It's because life is hard in these states that the population turns to Christ for comfort.  You're equating correlation with causation.
 
2014-06-16 12:29:29 PM
It's not unreasonable to dream of a better life in god's pretty white heaven when your life is absolute shiat.
 
2014-06-16 12:31:06 PM

unyon: You're looking at this all wrong, subby.  It's because life is hard in these states that the population turns to Christ for comfort.  You're equating correlation with causation.


They love Jesus so much that they let their personal lives lapse in their dedication to Him.

/aka the Gingrich defense
//attends church regularly but fark those idiots
 
2014-06-16 12:47:21 PM
You know organized religion is farked when people have to spend $130 MILLION* building a church, just so they can feel good about themselves after they send a few boxes of used t-shirts and underwear to brown heathens who live in sin on some remote corner of our planet.


*Details here
 
2014-06-16 12:50:09 PM

unyon: You're looking at this all wrong, subby.  It's because life is hard in these states that the population turns to Christ for comfort.  You're equating correlation with causation.


This is possible, sure. Still not sure how it reflects well on religiosity, though.
 
2014-06-16 12:54:11 PM

unyon: You're looking at this all wrong, subby.  It's because life is hard in these states that the population turns to Christ for comfort.  You're equating correlation with causation.


Reverse the causation, and you still ultimately come to the logical conclusion that faith doesn't actually solve problems. It might be a personal comfort, but it doesn't fix anything. It's not much different from obsessive compulsive rituals.
 
2014-06-16 01:05:30 PM
I think it is just sheer coincidence, Subby. Then again, the South is very poor even dating back to the Civil War so they are just struggling to recover. They'll get there.
 
2014-06-16 01:12:34 PM

unyon: You're looking at this all wrong, subby.  It's because life is hard in these states that the population turns to Christ for comfort.  You're equating correlation with causation.


I think there is a causal link among these things, probably just not the one Subby is implying.

I would hypothesize that poor schools and generally abysmal educational opportunities are the source of most or all these things, including high religiosity.

The only exception being excessive consumption of online pornography. That was me. My bad, Louisiana.
 
2014-06-16 01:17:07 PM

Bloody William: unyon: You're looking at this all wrong, subby.  It's because life is hard in these states that the population turns to Christ for comfort.  You're equating correlation with causation.

Reverse the causation, and you still ultimately come to the logical conclusion that faith doesn't actually solve problems. It might be a personal comfort, but it doesn't fix anything. It's not much different from obsessive compulsive rituals.


You have a fundamental misunderstanding of faith.  It's not about fixing anything (other than your personal behavior) in this world.  Except Scientology, of course, where money talks.
 
2014-06-16 01:17:25 PM

markie_farkie: You know organized religion is farked when people have to spend $130 MILLION* building a church, just so they can feel good about themselves after they send a few boxes of used t-shirts and underwear to brown heathens who live in sin on some remote corner of our planet.

*Details here


If there is any justice in this world, someday a bearded middle-eastern dude (wearing first-century clothing and having thorny scars on his forehead) is going to wander into the offices of a megachurch, pick up one of their bibles, and say "guys... would you please read this thing sometime?"
 
2014-06-16 01:17:30 PM
There are people that say christian charity can replace all of our social spending. Those same people are fleecing these rubes.
 
2014-06-16 01:17:31 PM
Let me guess, the south?
 
2014-06-16 01:18:46 PM
Could it just be that religiously-inspired cooking tastes better?

Forget those heathen kale smoothies and give me fried jesus!
 
2014-06-16 01:19:48 PM
What about teen pregnancy?
 
2014-06-16 01:21:11 PM

Galloping Galoshes: You have a fundamental misunderstanding of faith.  It's not about fixing anything (other than your personal behavior) in this world.  Except Scientology, of course, where money talks.


I see your point. Scientology is based upon fictitious writings, exists to funnel money from its lowest followers to its handful of leaders, doesn't stand up to genuine scrutiny, and will vilify those who offer even the slightest bit of public criticism.

So it's completely different from other religions.
 
2014-06-16 01:21:47 PM
Religious conservatives obsess over "moral crisis" because of the moral crisis in their own lives. They see sin everywhere because they're so busy sinning.
 
2014-06-16 01:22:28 PM

Galloping Galoshes: Bloody William: unyon: You're looking at this all wrong, subby.  It's because life is hard in these states that the population turns to Christ for comfort.  You're equating correlation with causation.

Reverse the causation, and you still ultimately come to the logical conclusion that faith doesn't actually solve problems. It might be a personal comfort, but it doesn't fix anything. It's not much different from obsessive compulsive rituals.

You have a fundamental misunderstanding of faith.  It's not about fixing anything (other than your personal behavior) in this world.  Except Scientology, of course, where money talks.


I'm fine with faith as faith, but many faithful seem to claim that their faith can move mountains. And that doesn't really happen.
 
2014-06-16 01:22:29 PM
Those states are ones that fought for the Confederacy or would have, had they been states at the time.

The South: Wrong on ALMOST everything since 1789
 
2014-06-16 01:22:30 PM

kdawg7736: I think it is just sheer coincidence, Subby. Then again, the South is very poor even dating back to the Civil War so they are just struggling to recover. They'll get there.


I doubt it.

/from Alabama
 
2014-06-16 01:22:34 PM
Clicked on the article to see if Oklahoma was listed.

It was.

No surprise.
 
2014-06-16 01:22:38 PM

unyon: You're looking at this all wrong, subby.  It's because life is hard in these states that the population turns to Christ for comfort.  You're equating correlation with causation.


Does being religious cause a continuing interest in online pornography?  Or does continually viewing online pornography cause religious fervor?

kdawg7736: Then again, the South is very poor even dating back to the Civil War so they are just struggling to recover.


I could see poverty causing a lack of education, obesity, low life expectancy, and a low state minimum wage.

How do you explain the link to the death penalty?  You'd think devotees of the New Testament would be more forgiving.
 
2014-06-16 01:22:49 PM
checked to make sure Tennessee was on there. Leaving satisfied

/I love the natural beauty of my state
//I hate the people
 
2014-06-16 01:23:09 PM

Lord_Baull: What about teen pregnancy?


What about bestiality?
 
2014-06-16 01:24:28 PM
The states with the most religious freedom have the most freedom to learn creatively, eat what they want, live life to the fullest, succeed in the free market, and they have the best sex lives?  Wow, you sure showed them, subby.  Lol.
 
2014-06-16 01:24:56 PM

Trailltrader: What the OP missed is also there's no natural resources of raping the land to give people jobs- so did you take that into consideration?  No, of course not


This is FARK. We don't say "OP," we say "submitter" or "subby." Don't Reddit my FARK. Don't 4chan it either.
 
2014-06-16 01:26:44 PM
Welcome to faith-based governance.
 
2014-06-16 01:28:28 PM

Mike_LowELL: The states with the most religious freedom have the most freedom to learn creatively, eat what they want, live life to the fullest, succeed in the free market, and they have the best sex lives?  Wow, you sure showed them, subby.  Lol.


That's pretty funny. Well done.
 
2014-06-16 01:29:20 PM
an active desire to have easy answers (and not actually do anything about the problems) is a helluva drug.
 
Bf+
2014-06-16 01:30:56 PM
Newsflash: Fools and their money are soon parted.
 
2014-06-16 01:31:24 PM
Yes, but that's just because their women are hotter and the people are nicer.

When you don't have tangibles, you make up intangibles.
 
2014-06-16 01:34:01 PM
Reminds me of the "opium of the people" quote from Marx. He wasn't saying "Haha, look how dumb religious people are; it's like they're on drugs" as is commonly believed. He was saying religion is a painkiller like an opioid.
 
2014-06-16 01:35:53 PM
I.e., Farkistan.
 
2014-06-16 01:36:40 PM
If you live in a Christian faith-based life then you are not bothered by all those negatives because that is how God intended you to live.
//See how easy that is.
 
2014-06-16 01:37:18 PM

Tripp Johnston Private Eye: Reminds me of the "opium of the people" quote from Marx. He wasn't saying "Haha, look how dumb religious people are; it's like they're on drugs" as is commonly believed. He was saying religion is a painkiller like an opioid.


It's amazing how many famous quotes are taken completely wrong.
 
2014-06-16 01:42:23 PM

Bloody William: Tripp Johnston Private Eye: Reminds me of the "opium of the people" quote from Marx. He wasn't saying "Haha, look how dumb religious people are; it's like they're on drugs" as is commonly believed. He was saying religion is a painkiller like an opioid.

It's amazing how many famous quotes are taken completely wrong.


"The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is the demand for their real happiness. To call on them to give up their illusions about their condition is to call on them to give up a condition that requires illusions."
 
2014-06-16 01:43:52 PM

unyon: You're looking at this all wrong, subby.  It's because life is hard in these states that the population turns to Christ for comfort.  You're equating correlation with causation.


I'm not seeing where subby is equating correlation and causation. The headline is not making any claims of causality whatsoever.
 
2014-06-16 01:44:47 PM
Eh, there could be a lot of reasons for this that have nothing to do with religion.

For example, these are mostly Southern states -- there could be something about the climate/geography of the South that impacts all of these issues. People probably do exercise less because of the extremely hot weather for as much as half the year. And because the states are rural, people walk less (and people are more dependent on cars). There are lots of health benefits related to walking.

In fact, given that only 7 of the top 50 cities are in these states (I think I got that right), maybe the issue is more about urban living.
 
2014-06-16 01:47:53 PM

Tripp Johnston Private Eye: Reminds me of the "opium of the people" quote from Marx. He wasn't saying "Haha, look how dumb religious people are; it's like they're on drugs" as is commonly believed. He was saying religion is a painkiller like an opioid.


I always figured that there was also an implication that religion clouds judgment and perception as opiates might.
 
2014-06-16 01:53:29 PM

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Those states are ones that fought for the Confederacy or would have, had they been states at the time.

The South: Wrong on ALMOST everything since 1789


The Civilized Nations with the exception of the seminoles did fight for the southern cause. They even formed a state in what is now Oklahoma.
 
2014-06-16 01:55:27 PM

BMulligan: Tripp Johnston Private Eye: Reminds me of the "opium of the people" quote from Marx. He wasn't saying "Haha, look how dumb religious people are; it's like they're on drugs" as is commonly believed. He was saying religion is a painkiller like an opioid.

I always figured that there was also an implication that religion clouds judgment and perception as opiates might.


I think that can be reasonably assumed by reading the following passage that jst3p put up, but the larger piece speaks heavily about the illusions people construct so they can go on living and producing with relative happiness.
 
2014-06-16 01:58:45 PM

clkeagle: Galloping Galoshes: You have a fundamental misunderstanding of faith.  It's not about fixing anything (other than your personal behavior) in this world.  Except Scientology, of course, where money talks.

I see your point. Scientology is based upon fictitious writings, exists to funnel money from its lowest followers to its handful of leaders, doesn't stand up to genuine scrutiny, and will vilify those who offer even the slightest bit of public criticism.

So it's completely different from other religions.


Religions will teach for free, as the goal is to spread the teaching (every group has somebody trying to line their pockets).  Scientology gets it's $ up front.
 
2014-06-16 01:59:45 PM
i've become convinced that religion is an outgrowth of undiagnosed schizophrenia in early human populations and our general stupidity. we may be the smartest motherfarking monkeys on the planet, but wer're still just monkeys
 
2014-06-16 02:00:40 PM

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Those states are ones that fought for the Confederacy or would have, had they been states at the time.

The South: Wrong on ALMOST everything since 1789


They'll always have Creedence and collard greens.
 
2014-06-16 02:01:20 PM

unyon: You're looking at this all wrong, subby.  It's because life is hard in these states that the population turns to Christ for comfort.  You're equating correlation with causation.


I could be correlation, but if you look around the world and look at countries that were religious and are not so much anymore, they seemed to quickly turn from a hard-scrabble life to a very prosperous and efficient nation state. And then you look at current countries and see that religion and poverty are highly correlated. So, when a religious country renounces religion, it succeeds, when it stays on it, it fails.
 
2014-06-16 02:01:57 PM

i state your name: i've become convinced that religion is an outgrowth of undiagnosed schizophrenia in early human populations and our general stupidity. we may be the smartest motherfarking monkeys on the planet, but wer're still just monkeys


Wouldn't go that far. I think it's an unfortunate effect of our perceptual and cognitive apparatuses.
 
2014-06-16 02:03:06 PM

i state your name: i've become convinced that religion is an outgrowth of undiagnosed schizophrenia in early human populations and our general stupidity. we may be the smartest motherfarking monkeys on the planet, but wer're still just monkeys


in terms of origins, i wouldn't rule out really fun drugs, either.

I'm betting I'm not even the only person on this thread who's had an in depth conversation with a burning bush, or two.
 
2014-06-16 02:05:42 PM

Galloping Galoshes: clkeagle: Galloping Galoshes: You have a fundamental misunderstanding of faith.  It's not about fixing anything (other than your personal behavior) in this world.  Except Scientology, of course, where money talks.

I see your point. Scientology is based upon fictitious writings, exists to funnel money from its lowest followers to its handful of leaders, doesn't stand up to genuine scrutiny, and will vilify those who offer even the slightest bit of public criticism.

So it's completely different from other religions.

Religions will teach for free, as the goal is to spread the teaching (every group has somebody trying to line their pockets).  Scientology gets it's $ up front.


You often get what you pay for.
 
2014-06-16 02:06:23 PM
Religion is extremely useful to cultures in early stages of cultural development as a means of generating social coherence and establishing a baseline of social norms. I think we're slowly moving past that stage as a species, in a centuries-long shift where reason and empiricism are now given much more weight in deciding policy than religious dogma/tradition.

We're doing alright for a bunch of bald apes with no precedent to follow, though.
 
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