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2014-06-16 10:55:17 AM  
Sky high premiums saddled with $12,600 deductibles.  What's not to love?

/my quote was $940 a month (family of three) with no subsidy for the cheapest plan.  The deductible was $12,600 before coverage kicked in.  No copays.

If I knew I could get that kind of $$$$, I would be jumping in too.

//because if you can't afford the deductibles, you self ration your healthcare.
 
2014-06-16 11:06:55 AM  

SauronWasFramed: /my quote was $940 a month (family of three) with no subsidy for the cheapest plan.


which state?
 
2014-06-16 11:08:25 AM  
My quote was $4,000,000 a month for a single person and a deductible of a handful of unicorn farts.
 
2014-06-16 11:11:28 AM  

SauronWasFramed: /my quote was $940 a month (family of three) with no subsidy for the cheapest plan.  The deductible was $12,600 before coverage kicked in.  No copays


img.fark.net
 
2014-06-16 11:15:14 AM  
I told my local door-to-door Obamacare salesman that my kids had the sniffles and he charged me $74,000,000 and stole my car on his way out
 
2014-06-16 11:30:13 AM  
The liberal policy wonks reporting on the program have made a good faith and highly successful effort to depict both the good and the bad news about the program in context. Conservatives, even the most wonkish ones, have engaged in a one-sided propaganda effort. If you get your news about Obamacare from conservative sources, you have heard an endless succession of horror predictions that, when not borne out, have gone uncorrected. The bottom line is that the program is doing what it was designed to do. Link
 
2014-06-16 11:34:22 AM  

SauronWasFramed: Sky high premiums saddled with $12,600 deductibles.  What's not to love?

/my quote was $940 a month (family of three) with no subsidy for the cheapest plan.  The deductible was $12,600 before coverage kicked in.  No copays.

If I knew I could get that kind of $$$$, I would be jumping in too.

//because if you can't afford the deductibles, you self ration your healthcare.


Stop complaining. The semi-annual forced abortions are 100% covered, and there's only a $5000 surcharge for the annual death panel reviews.
 
2014-06-16 11:34:25 AM  
My old employer's benefits went down in price and coverage went up. I was happy. New one is okay but not great. The no pre-existing conditions deal is huge for me, and anyone else with a lifelong incurable condition.

So, thus far, I've been happy with the rollout.
 
2014-06-16 11:44:50 AM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: The liberal policy wonks reporting on the program have made a good faith and highly successful effort to depict both the good and the bad news about the program in context. Conservatives, even the most wonkish ones, have engaged in a one-sided propaganda effort.


you can pretty much extrapolate that to any political subject. liberals tend to be honest and conservatives tend to lie.
 
2014-06-16 11:52:56 AM  

FlashHarry: you can pretty much extrapolate that to any political subject. liberals tend to be honest and conservatives tend to lie.


It's not so much that liberals are honest, but that they tend to allow for a modicum of doubt.
 
2014-06-16 12:03:54 PM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: FlashHarry: you can pretty much extrapolate that to any political subject. liberals tend to be honest and conservatives tend to lie.

It's not so much that liberals are honest, but that they tend to allow for a modicum of doubt.


a fair assertion. but it is that distinction - the allowance of doubt - that is critical.

as i've said before, the prime difference between liberals and conservatives is that conservatives start with a conclusion (iraqi WMD, intelligent design, trickle down econ. theory, etc.) and then cherry-pick evidence to support that conclusion. they never allow for the possibility of that conclusion being wrong.

it's one reason romney's epic defeat was so delicious in 2012. they simply couldn't allow for the possibility that he was going to lose - despite all the polls and evidence. which is why they had to "unskew" them. the trouble is, facts are true whether you believe them or not.

liberals, as you mentioned, allow for doubt. they start with evidence and then reach a conclusion, much as scientists do. it's why science is so antithetical to the conservative mind.
 
2014-06-16 12:14:49 PM  
My quote was a wheelbarrow full of sapphires and my deductible is three organs harvested from my firstborn.
 
2014-06-16 12:20:11 PM  

FlashHarry: the prime difference between liberals and conservatives is that conservatives start with a conclusion (iraqi WMD, intelligent design, trickle down econ. theory, etc.) and then cherry-pick evidence to support that conclusion. they never allow for the possibility of that conclusion being wrong.

it's one reason romney's epic defeat was so delicious in 2012. they simply couldn't allow for the possibility that he was going to lose - despite all the polls and evidence. which is why they had to "unskew" them. the trouble is, facts are true whether you believe them or not.

liberals, as you mentioned, allow for doubt. they start with evidence and then reach a conclusion, much as scientists do. it's why science is so antithetical to the conservative mind.


That's interesting.
 
2014-06-16 12:23:45 PM  
img.fark.net

"Obamacare turned me into a newt!"
 
2014-06-16 12:37:50 PM  
Every single Obamacare thread he trots out that same lie.
 
2014-06-16 12:41:24 PM  
When the Obamacare Compliance Officer's thugs broke down my door, my premium was prima noctis with my lovely new bride.

The real insulting part was that he made me polish his jackboots while watching him mount my wife. I tried to complain that that couldn't possibly be a requirement, but he had a copy of the ACA with him. It was right there on page 1,874, paragraph 6.

If only we had read the damned thing before passing it! Lazy democrats.
 
2014-06-16 12:51:20 PM  
My quote was that I had to buy steak and lobsters and brand new Air Jordans for "urban" people.
 
2014-06-16 12:53:19 PM  
It's actually very nice and gratifying to see a policy that was fought so hard to enact actually work well. Just thought someone should say that; this country hasn't had all that many big-scale policy successes in the last few decades.
 
2014-06-16 12:55:54 PM  

SauronWasFramed: Sky high premiums saddled with $12,600 deductibles.  What's not to love?

/my quote was $940 a month (family of three) with no subsidy for the cheapest plan.  The deductible was $12,600 before coverage kicked in.  No copays.

If I knew I could get that kind of $$$$, I would be jumping in too.

//because if you can't afford the deductibles, you self ration your healthcare.


We've been through this before, with those exact numbers.

If your deductible is too high because you know you're going to pay all of it, you will save several thousand dollars by getting the higher premium plan. I've been through the numbers with you myself months ago.

If you're honest, you've literally lost about $2,000-$4,000 so far by not listening to my advice.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2014-06-16 12:56:18 PM  

SauronWasFramed: Sky high premiums saddled with $12,600 deductibles.  What's not to love?

/my quote was $940 a month (family of three) with no subsidy for the cheapest plan.  The deductible was $12,600 before coverage kicked in.  No copays.

If I knew I could get that kind of $$$$, I would be jumping in too.

//because if you can't afford the deductibles, you self ration your healthcare.


Yes, that's the way private insurance works, even if you get it through an employer or without going through an exchange.

Even Medicare works that way I believe.

No one ever promised that Obamacare would be free or cheap.  The insurance companies still set the price.
 
2014-06-16 12:58:54 PM  

gilgigamesh: When the Obamacare Compliance Officer's thugs broke down my door, my premium was prima noctis with my lovely new bride.

The real insulting part was that he made me polish his jackboots while watching him mount my wife. I tried to complain that that couldn't possibly be a requirement, but he had a copy of the ACA with him. It was right there on page 1,874, paragraph 6.

If only we had read the damned thing before passing it! Lazy democrats.


"You should have seem his wrinkled posterior, thrusting into my wife, with each penetration the room feared would be the old mans last.  At the end we were not sure if he was having a heart attack or climaxing. I had to send two interns into the fray to check if the good Senator was still alive!"
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2014-06-16 12:59:18 PM  

DamnYankees: It's actually very nice and gratifying to see a policy that was fought so hard to enact actually work well. Just thought someone should say that; this country hasn't had all that many big-scale policy successes in the last few decades.


There's a reason for that.

thepoliticalcarnival.net
 
2014-06-16 01:00:23 PM  
My premium went down from $411 to $127 a month for two people.  I'm cool with this.
 
2014-06-16 01:19:38 PM  

Bloody William: If you're honest, you've literally lost about $2,000-$4,000 so far by not listening to my advice.


either A, he's a liar, or B, he's rather lose $4,000 than admit that you are right.
 
2014-06-16 01:44:00 PM  
My monthly premium is the whole of human currency, my deductible is a Holy Grail made from the diamond core of Jupiter and the only doctor in my network is a malfunctioning "Speak 'n' Spell" atop K2 who can only treat maladies that do not have vowels. I asked about subsidies and my first-born son was whisked off to a FEMA Gay Marriage Camp to be an axle in Harvey Firestein's human town car. I tried to buy aspirin and my daughter was handed over to Al Qaeda to run their day care. I watched an ambulance helicopter take off once and George Soros made me give four Black ACORNS a Guatemalan Badger Twist. I died but was revived to pay my premiums.
 
2014-06-16 01:46:03 PM  

ManateeGag: Bloody William: If you're honest, you've literally lost about $2,000-$4,000 so far by not listening to my advice.

either A, he's a liar, or B, he's rather lose $4,000 than admit that you are right.


a little of column A...
 
2014-06-16 01:53:56 PM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: My monthly premium is the whole of human currency, my deductible is a Holy Grail made from the diamond core of Jupiter and the only doctor in my network is a malfunctioning "Speak 'n' Spell" atop K2 who can only treat maladies that do not have vowels. I asked about subsidies and my first-born son was whisked off to a FEMA Gay Marriage Camp to be an axle in Harvey Firestein's human town car. I tried to buy aspirin and my daughter was handed over to Al Qaeda to run their day care. I watched an ambulance helicopter take off once and George Soros made me give four Black ACORNS a Guatemalan Badger Twist. I died but was revived to pay my premiums.


tee hee!
 
2014-06-16 01:55:41 PM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: . I asked about subsidies and my first-born son was whisked off to a FEMA Gay Marriage Camp to be an axle in Harvey Firestein's human town car.


you were lucky. they took my infant daughter and hollowed her out to be used as a condom for siegfried & roy's albino gay tigers.
 
2014-06-16 02:16:32 PM  

Bloody William: If you're honest, you've literally lost about $2,000-$4,000 so far by not listening to my advice.


No no, Obama took that money from him. He's powerless.
 
2014-06-16 02:17:55 PM  

FlashHarry: Mr. Coffee Nerves: . I asked about subsidies and my first-born son was whisked off to a FEMA Gay Marriage Camp to be an axle in Harvey Firestein's human town car.

you were lucky. they took my infant daughter and hollowed her out to be used as a condom for siegfried & roy's albino gay tigers.


Oh, I would have dreamed to be a condom for gay tigers. I was stretched out and made into a human colonoscope for Katie Couric.
 
2014-06-16 02:20:56 PM  

SauronWasFramed: Sky high premiums saddled with $12,600 deductibles.  What's not to love?

/my quote was $940 a month (family of three) with no subsidy for the cheapest plan.  The deductible was $12,600 before coverage kicked in.  No copays.

If I knew I could get that kind of $$$$, I would be jumping in too.

//because if you can't afford the deductibles, you self ration your healthcare.



Get in touch with Fox News, they'd love to have an Obamacare horror story that doesn't turn out to be bullshiat.
 
2014-06-16 02:24:33 PM  
Yes, higher premiums for the poor and a great majority of previously uninsured not signing up is totally what the goal was.
 
2014-06-16 02:26:21 PM  

vpb: SauronWasFramed: Sky high premiums saddled with $12,600 deductibles.  What's not to love?

/my quote was $940 a month (family of three) with no subsidy for the cheapest plan.  The deductible was $12,600 before coverage kicked in.  No copays.

If I knew I could get that kind of $$$$, I would be jumping in too.

//because if you can't afford the deductibles, you self ration your healthcare.

Yes, that's the way private insurance works, even if you get it through an employer or without going through an exchange.

Even Medicare works that way I believe.

No one ever promised that Obamacare would be free or cheap.  The insurance companies still set the price.


I was going to say - I've seen those exact figures being used in various threads on various sites.
 
2014-06-16 02:29:10 PM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: FlashHarry: Mr. Coffee Nerves: . I asked about subsidies and my first-born son was whisked off to a FEMA Gay Marriage Camp to be an axle in Harvey Firestein's human town car.

you were lucky. they took my infant daughter and hollowed her out to be used as a condom for siegfried & roy's albino gay tigers.

Oh, I would have dreamed to be a condom for gay tigers. I was stretched out and made into a human colonoscope for Katie Couric.


img.fark.net

"human colonoscope?" you were lucky!
 
2014-06-16 02:30:13 PM  

Wyalt Derp: Get in touch with Fox News, they'd love to have an Obamacare horror story that doesn't turn out to be bullshiat.


you'd think they'd have found one by now. i wonder what the problem is...
 
2014-06-16 02:30:40 PM  

SundaesChild: My premium went down from $411 to $127 a month for two people.  I'm cool with this.


You sound poor. This should help.
 
2014-06-16 02:31:25 PM  
I ordered a dozen donut holes at Obamacare donut shop. They gave me 10 and would make change for a $5.
 
2014-06-16 02:32:24 PM  
Since the insurance companies are allowed to keep a fifth of premiums they have an incentive to have you doing more procedures so they can raise their allowed profits, er, premiums next year. In the past, hospitals were chided for $35 Tylenol and $400 boxes of knock-off tissue, now those are going to be mandatory. I'm watching billion dollar hospitals rise from humble lots to meet the challenge of over delivering healthcare to the obese hypochondriacs of America.
 
2014-06-16 02:35:09 PM  

CarnySaur: vpb: SauronWasFramed: Sky high premiums saddled with $12,600 deductibles.  What's not to love?

/my quote was $940 a month (family of three) with no subsidy for the cheapest plan.  The deductible was $12,600 before coverage kicked in.  No copays.

If I knew I could get that kind of $$$$, I would be jumping in too.

//because if you can't afford the deductibles, you self ration your healthcare.

Yes, that's the way private insurance works, even if you get it through an employer or without going through an exchange.

Even Medicare works that way I believe.

No one ever promised that Obamacare would be free or cheap.  The insurance companies still set the price.

I was going to say - I've seen those exact figures being used in various threads on various sites.


You can't possibly mean that they're bullshiat propaganda being pushed by right wing trolls. That's hard to imagine.
 
2014-06-16 02:37:38 PM  

SauronWasFramed: Sky high premiums saddled with $12,600 deductibles.  What's not to love?

/my quote was $940 a month (family of three) with no subsidy for the cheapest plan.  The deductible was $12,600 before coverage kicked in.  No copays.

If I knew I could get that kind of $$$$, I would be jumping in too.

//because if you can't afford the deductibles, you self ration your healthcare.


I live in Texas, have a family of three, my wife has several chronic conditions, and my son was born pre-term. My quote was less than half yours.

So...yeah, that seems off.
 
2014-06-16 02:39:10 PM  

vpb: SauronWasFramed: Sky high premiums saddled with $12,600 deductibles.  What's not to love?

/my quote was $940 a month (family of three) with no subsidy for the cheapest plan.  The deductible was $12,600 before coverage kicked in.  No copays.

If I knew I could get that kind of $$$$, I would be jumping in too.

//because if you can't afford the deductibles, you self ration your healthcare.

Yes, that's the way private insurance works, even if you get it through an employer or without going through an exchange.

Even Medicare works that way I believe.

No one ever promised that Obamacare would be free or cheap.  The insurance companies still set the price.




Nobody? Nobody? Obama said it would save $2500 a year per family. The bill is called the Affodable Healthcare Act.


/lol
 
2014-06-16 02:40:44 PM  

Lord Dimwit: SauronWasFramed: Sky high premiums saddled with $12,600 deductibles.  What's not to love?

/my quote was $940 a month (family of three) with no subsidy for the cheapest plan.  The deductible was $12,600 before coverage kicked in.  No copays.

If I knew I could get that kind of $$$$, I would be jumping in too.

//because if you can't afford the deductibles, you self ration your healthcare.

I live in Texas, have a family of three, my wife has several chronic conditions, and my son was born pre-term. My quote was less than half yours.

So...yeah, that seems off.




Zip code: 39157

Male, non smoker 1962
Female, non smoker, 1956
Female non smoker, 1995 college student.

Yeah, the numbers were ridiculous crazy.
 
2014-06-16 02:41:25 PM  

SauronWasFramed: Nobody? Nobody? Obama said it would save $2500 a year per family. The bill is called the Affodable Healthcare Act.


AND create "millions" of jobs.

It was like a magical law that benefitted everyone without and ill-effects.  You and your doctor.  Period.
 
2014-06-16 02:41:28 PM  

Lord Dimwit: SauronWasFramed: Sky high premiums saddled with $12,600 deductibles.  What's not to love?

/my quote was $940 a month (family of three) with no subsidy for the cheapest plan.  The deductible was $12,600 before coverage kicked in.  No copays.

If I knew I could get that kind of $$$$, I would be jumping in too.

//because if you can't afford the deductibles, you self ration your healthcare.

I live in Texas, have a family of three, my wife has several chronic conditions, and my son was born pre-term. My quote was less than half yours.

So...yeah, that seems off.


cdnpix.com
www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWdD206eSv0
 
2014-06-16 02:42:38 PM  

Bloody William: SauronWasFramed: Sky high premiums saddled with $12,600 deductibles.  What's not to love?

/my quote was $940 a month (family of three) with no subsidy for the cheapest plan.  The deductible was $12,600 before coverage kicked in.  No copays.

If I knew I could get that kind of $$$$, I would be jumping in too.

//because if you can't afford the deductibles, you self ration your healthcare.

We've been through this before, with those exact numbers.

If your deductible is too high because you know you're going to pay all of it, you will save several thousand dollars by getting the higher premium plan. I've been through the numbers with you myself months ago.

If you're honest, you've literally lost about $2,000-$4,000 so far by not listening to my advice.




Yes, I could pay an extra $400 a month and get copays. That premium would be the same as buying a $200k house and financing it for 20 years. So, what is it? Buy a house? Or break the law?
 
2014-06-16 02:43:21 PM  

SauronWasFramed: Sky high premiums saddled with $12,600 deductibles.  What's not to love?

/my quote was $940 a month (family of three) with no subsidy for the cheapest plan.  The deductible was $12,600 before coverage kicked in.  No copays.

If I knew I could get that kind of $$$$, I would be jumping in too.

//because if you can't afford the deductibles, you self ration your healthcare.


I need to go look up some of the old ACA threads where you've been so severely schooled on multiple times that you abandon the threads.
Yet you pop into them again to regurgitate lies, only to run away.
 
2014-06-16 02:43:58 PM  

The_Forensicator: SauronWasFramed: Nobody? Nobody? Obama said it would save $2500 a year per family. The bill is called the Affodable Healthcare Act.

AND create "millions" of jobs.

It was like a magical law that benefitted everyone without and ill-effects.  You and your doctor.  Period.




It would have to create millions of jobs....given the number of people that had their hours cut below 29 a week....so they could maintain their previous standard of living
 
2014-06-16 02:47:47 PM  

Witty_Retort: SauronWasFramed: Sky high premiums saddled with $12,600 deductibles.  What's not to love?

/my quote was $940 a month (family of three) with no subsidy for the cheapest plan.  The deductible was $12,600 before coverage kicked in.  No copays.

If I knew I could get that kind of $$$$, I would be jumping in too.

//because if you can't afford the deductibles, you self ration your healthcare.

I need to go look up some of the old ACA threads where you've been so severely schooled on multiple times that you abandon the threads.
Yet you pop into them again to regurgitate lies, only to run away.




Lies. Hardly. Without linking the healthcare.gov site, I was able to provide a second site that verified my claims.

You guys never answered was how a family of three earning $78801 a year, that is $1 more than the subsidy allowed, was supposed to pay the premium, deductible, and maintain lifestyle at the same time. The best post was to take a cut in pay to qualify for a subsidy.


LOL. But don't feel bad, liberals across the net failed too
 
2014-06-16 02:49:51 PM  
25% of the money in my sandbox investment account is in Wellpoint. I knew the ACA was going to be a boon for insurers and so invested in the parent company of my employer's insurer.  As of right now (and with no 20 minute delay) I'm up 17% YTD on that one.
 
2014-06-16 02:50:20 PM  

SauronWasFramed: Zip code: 39157

Male, non smoker 1962
Female, non smoker, 1956
Female non smoker, 1995 college student.

Yeah, the numbers were ridiculous crazy.


yet you make too much money to qualify for subsidies? hmm... what did you do before? were you simply uninsured?
 
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