Gecko Gingrich: I've got a handful of RayBans and Armani frames left on the boards. Once they've sold, I'll be completely Luxottica free.
question_dj: Dang. They make a lot of the brands[full stop].
Gecko Gingrich: question_dj: Dang. They make a lot of the brands[full stop].
question_dj: Now, what I really want to know is, who makes the best lenses?
InterruptingQuirk: Luxottica(Lenscrafters) does not make high quality lenses. The ABBE value of their products are abysmal. Their stores don't use Trivex, Spectralite, or any other decent material.
Gecko Gingrich: question_dj: Now, what I really want to know is, who makes the best lenses?There is no one answer for that. What's your Rx? What are you going to be using them for? Single vision? Lined Bi/tri-focal? Progressive/"no line"/invisible? Sunglasses? A/R? Photochromic? What frame?For progressives and A/R, I like Essilor and Hoya and I dislike Zeiss and Rodenstock. For single vision, it depends a bit on your script and the frame, but Essilor and Hoya again mostly because their A/R's are the best, the actual plastic underneath is fairly even across all manufactures. If you want photochromic, you want Transitions (owned by Essilor, but licensed to just about eveyone).I don't have a "one size fits all" answer. There are too many factors to take into account. About the only hard and fast rule I've got is: don't use polycarbonate, unless there literally isn't any other choice. Optically, it's horrible. If you need impact resistant lenses, get Trivex. It's better optically, more impact resistant and about the same price as poly.Also, spend the extra cash and make sure you get a high quality A/R. If the full price is less than $150, it's not high quality. If it's from Zeiss, it's not high quality. Get Crizal Avance or Super Hi-Vision. There are more expensive options, but they aren't worth the extra money.
Rustico: I've been buying my glasses at zennioptical.com. They usually run me between 12 and 20 dollars. Tinting is an extra 5 bucks.
question_dj: I've got single vision lenses, -3.75 ish with astigmatism in my left eye.
question_dj: I think the lenses I currently have are Crizal in all my frames.
question_dj: Once I discovered that spending a bit more on lenses provided way better results, I started dishing out the money.
question_dj: Good to know that my eye care professional is getting me setup with the good shiat.
question_dj: I have been thinking about buying a pair of "outdoorsy" frames and getting photochromic lenses, because I have gotten tired of wearing contacts in order to wear sunglasses.
Gecko Gingrich: the polarization isn't as good as a fixed tint pair of polarized sunglasses.
ds615: Why are they so expensive? Because people will pay it. It's that simple."Special" people will even generate their own reasons why they need them, or why they are better, or why they are worth the money.Like fanboys of anything.I say good for the company. If the people are willing to pay the cash, then why not ask for it?
Rustico: Fascinating insights. Thanks for contributing. Where are you located?
Smeggy Smurf: Gecko Gingrich, any thoughts on the shape of the frames effecting the lens performance? I like frames that are as round as possible but the lenses keep rotating no matter what I do. I've thought about going to octagonal frames but can't find any that are 38mm.
Gecko Gingrich: If made correctly, even perfectly round lenses shouldn't rotate. But 38mm?! Dafuaque you want something that small for?
Gecko Gingrich: ...you could easily be spending hundreds and hundreds of dollars for a pair that cost just $30 15 years ago.15 years ago, a $30 pair of glasses would either have been a pair of cheap, non-prescription sunglasses or an *incredibly* cheap pair of clear, basic Rx (you +4.00's and -8.00's need not apply), single vision glasses. If you could wear them for more than a few hours without a headache, or a month before they fell apart, you were way ahead of the curve. Those glasses still exist. Sure, they're in the $50-90 price range now, but not "hundreds and hundreds of dollars".The ones that cost hundreds and hundreds today, weren't $30 back then. I charge $99 for basic single vision lenses. I have for nearly 20 years now (they were $89 before that). I have decent quality frames for $150-180. A similar frame would have cost maybe $30 less back then. So, that's $229-259 then versus $249-279 now.And it's not as though things have changed that much: they're still made of a couple of pieces of plastic or wire, some screws and glass.Things have changed a lot. Titanium, stainless steel, spring hinges, layered plastic frames, A/R treatments, photochromics. And there are very few lenses made from glass anymore (even 15 years ago, it was rare). If you come to me and ask for glass, I'm going to spend a half an hour trying to talk you out of it. Even the way we manufacture lenses has changed, and is more expensive. Gone are the days of simply grabbing a negative and grinding the lens against it to make an Rx. It's all digital lathes now. It makes for a more accurate and customizable lens, but it's more expensive.Which he says is why glasses in general cost so much, even at your local optician's.Glasses cost so much more than the raw materials for the same reason that a custom piece of furniture costs so much more than a pile of wood and nails. That is, you're not buying raw materials, you're buying a finished, custom-made product. I just bought (literally, the install f ...
BizarreMan: How is that not a monopoly? What about the anti-trust regulations involved in forcing competitors to either do business the Luxotica way or be assimilated?
loonatic112358: I assumes it's some sort of CNC?
loonatic112358: So the machine what is it?
Bullseyed: The $30 to $200 market is wide open.
Gecko Gingrich: Smeggy Smurf: Gecko Gingrich, any thoughts on the shape of the frames effecting the lens performance? I like frames that are as round as possible but the lenses keep rotating no matter what I do. I've thought about going to octagonal frames but can't find any that are 38mm.Shape, has little to no affect on glasses performance, with one or two caveats. Multifocals, progressives especially, need a certain amount of depth to function. And if you are looking over, under or around the lens, it's obviously not doing its job. Shape can drastically effect edge thickness and weight though. Besides the obvious, bigger equals thicker and heavier, corners also equal thicker and heavier. If you have a particularity strong Rx, a smaller, "softer" shape would be the best way to keep it light and aesthetically pleasing.If made correctly, even perfectly round lenses shouldn't rotate. But 38mm?! Dafuaque you want something that small for?
Smeggy Smurf: To give you an idea, the big E on the vision chart becomes slightly recognizable at about 3 feet.
Gecko Gingrich: What's your Rx?
Gecko Gingrich: loonatic112358: I assumes it's some sort of CNC?'Tis.loonatic112358: So the machine what is it?Satisloh's ES-Curve. I'm pretty proud of the fact that we're the only retail establishment between New York and Florida has one. It's designed to go into those "speed" labs I talked about earlier, but if you slow it down from 1000 jobs/day to 15, it does an *incredibly* good job. Also, there used to be one subset of glasses (called shelf-bevel) that we had to send out. They would always come back with a "meh, good enough" seal of approval. Now, there is literally nothing I can't do in house.
Gecko Gingrich: your
question_dj: Gecko Gingrich: question_dj: Dang. They make a lot of the brands[full stop].Most of the brands they make, I have destroyed in some way, within a few years. The Modo frames I'm currently wearing, while the finish is chipping off, they've been almost indestructible. I've never had a problem with them. My Polo or Armani frames on the other hand, I've had issues with them breaking, screws coming loose, posts bending/breaking. It's frustrating.Now, what I really want to know is, who makes the best lenses?
loonatic112358: So I guess it has it's own program for building the code?Played with edgecam years ago, obviously this is nothing like making an aluminum doohickey
cefm: his is exactly what a "free market" creates. One big player with massive amounts of cash and market influence basically is able to push everyone else out, then raise prices on everything.
letrole: Astroturfing is a Religion.
Gecko Gingrich: Smeggy Smurf: To give you an idea, the big E on the vision chart becomes slightly recognizable at about 3 feet.What's your Rx?
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