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(Huffington Post)   Shirley Fire burns near Sequoia National Forest. Shirley, you can't burn cypress   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 61
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2014-06-16 12:05:39 PM  
capnaux.com
 
2014-06-16 12:31:19 PM  
Scientists are keeping a close eye on the fire, it's running a little hot...

/it's an entirely different kind of fire, altogether
 
2014-06-16 12:33:29 PM  
The smoke's getting thicker!!

And the fire's getting LAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGER!!
 
2014-06-16 01:00:35 PM  
I just want to wish the fire crews good luck.  We're all counting on you.
 
2014-06-16 02:40:06 PM  
5000 degrees down to 250 degrees... what an asshole.
 
2014-06-16 02:41:46 PM  

Shadow Blasko: 5000 degrees down to 250 degrees... what an asshole.


So he's not cool?
 
2014-06-16 02:42:01 PM  
Me John, big tree.
 
2014-06-16 02:44:31 PM  

Paris1127: /it's an entirely different kind of fire, altogether


It's an entirely different kind of fire.
 
2014-06-16 02:45:03 PM  
i hope they can keep the fire away from those ancient forest giants, that said they can probably handle some flames with out takibg fatal damage but i'd rather they remain unharmed.
 
2014-06-16 02:46:45 PM  
I didn't think a joke could be shoe-horned that much.
 
2014-06-16 02:46:49 PM  
Turn all the hoses on the fire!

No... that's just what they'll be expecting.
 
2014-06-16 02:46:49 PM  

grimlock1972: i hope they can keep the fire away from those ancient forest giants, that said they can probably handle some flames with out takibg fatal damage but i'd rather they remain unharmed.


They just need to paint a white line where they want to stop the fire, as the white zone is for unloading fire trucks only.
 
2014-06-16 02:47:02 PM  
It's a forest fire named after a 1970's sitcom, but that's not important right now.
 
2014-06-16 02:48:59 PM  
The Fire Chief reportedly stated things will be better after they "leg 'er down a smack 'em yak 'em!"
 
2014-06-16 02:49:13 PM  
Looks like I picked the wrong week to stop starting fires.
 
2014-06-16 02:49:15 PM  
i1082.photobucket.com
 
2014-06-16 02:50:21 PM  
Let it burn. Those fires are part of those giant tree's life-cycle.
 
2014-06-16 02:51:45 PM  

grimlock1972: i hope they can keep the fire away from those ancient forest giants, that said they can probably handle some flames with out takibg fatal damage but i'd rather they remain unharmed.


Actually it would probably be good for them.  They're used to it, and the fire would clear out the undergrowth, eliminate competition for rain, etc.
 
2014-06-16 02:53:58 PM  

Galloping Galoshes: grimlock1972: i hope they can keep the fire away from those ancient forest giants, that said they can probably handle some flames with out takibg fatal damage but i'd rather they remain unharmed.

Actually it would probably be good for them.  They're used to it, and the fire would clear out the undergrowth, eliminate competition for rain, etc.


Don't be bringing science into his environmentalism.
 
2014-06-16 02:56:15 PM  
eliminate competition for rain,

Calif is in the midst of a 3-year drought, doncha know
 
2014-06-16 03:00:06 PM  

WelldeadLink: Galloping Galoshes: grimlock1972: i hope they can keep the fire away from those ancient forest giants, that said they can probably handle some flames with out takibg fatal damage but i'd rather they remain unharmed.

Actually it would probably be good for them.  They're used to it, and the fire would clear out the undergrowth, eliminate competition for rain, etc.

Don't be bringing science into his environmentalism.


Sorry.  Won't happen again.

/psst.  Don't tell him:  "Perhaps one of the most famous trees that have serotinous cones is the giant redwood or sequoia of California.  Towering up to nearly 300 feet tall and 50 feet in diameter, the giant sequoia are the world's largest trees in total volume.  Their cones can contain up to 200 seeds and may take just under 2 years to mature.  Once matured, they will remain in the cone and await a forest fire.  The heat from the fire causes the cones to open and release their seeds."
Read more at http://creationrevolution.com/plants-that-need-fire-to-survive/#dOabV 6 frSXfB87iK.99
 
2014-06-16 03:01:11 PM  
I just want to tell them "Good Luck."  We're all counting on them.
 
2014-06-16 03:04:58 PM  

grimlock1972: i hope they can keep the fire away from those ancient forest giants, that said they can probably handle some flames with out takibg fatal damage but i'd rather they remain unharmed.


No! That's just what they'll be expecting us to do.
 
2014-06-16 03:05:38 PM  
Headlines:

FIRE SPREADS, THREATENS THOUSANDS OF HOMES

FIREFIGHTERS FROM ALL OVER JOIN THE FIGHT

BOY TRAPPED IN REFRIGERATOR EATS OWN FOOT
 
2014-06-16 03:06:00 PM  
Sequoia National Forest? What is it?
 
2014-06-16 03:06:58 PM  

grimlock1972: i hope they can keep the fire away from those ancient forest giants, that said they can probably handle some flames with out takibg fatal damage but i'd rather they remain unharmed.



Pretty sure you are not being sarcastic, so...


Sequoia trees actually benefit from forest fires, that is how they propagate.  The fires prepare seed beds, cycle nutrients and clear away competing species. It's well documented that past fire suppression efforts have detrimentally affected the Sequioa stands.

There are many species of trees that need fire to reproduce, mainly in the Western US.  Alot of pines with resinous cones need the heat from a fire to soften the pitch allowing the cone to open up and spill it's seeds (eww).  Fire Cherries benefit similarly.

Forest fires actually play a beneficial role in the ecosystem, but we have thrown that balance out of whack by putting them out for the last 100 years.  We are now reaping what we have sewn (ha!)
 
2014-06-16 03:08:25 PM  
It''s a hazard to everything in the air. Yes, birds too!
 
2014-06-16 03:10:32 PM  
Only you can prevent forest fires.
Because, as I learned in another Fark thread,
Smokey is off getting a BJ from another bear,
Instead of warning the public about forest fires.
 
2014-06-16 03:12:51 PM  
Strange article. They're talking about a fire near the Sequoia National Forest and then they start calling it Shirley. Are they naming forest fires now?
 
2014-06-16 03:16:41 PM  

hammettman: Only you can prevent forest fires.


Only me?!? But I live hundreds of miles away.
 
2014-06-16 03:18:28 PM  

WelldeadLink: grimlock1972: i hope they can keep the fire away from those ancient forest giants, that said they can probably handle some flames with out takibg fatal damage but i'd rather they remain unharmed.

They just need to paint a white line where they want to stop the fire, as the white zone is for unloading fire trucks only.


No, the RED zone is for unloading fire trucks only.
 
2014-06-16 03:19:32 PM  
I just want to tell them "Good Luck."  We're all counting on them...
 
2014-06-16 03:20:28 PM  
3.bp.blogspot.com

Joey, do you like movies about firemen?
 
2014-06-16 03:22:05 PM  

2KanZam: grimlock1972: i hope they can keep the fire away from those ancient forest giants, that said they can probably handle some flames with out takibg fatal damage but i'd rather they remain unharmed.


Pretty sure you are not being sarcastic, so...


Sequoia trees actually benefit from forest fires, that is how they propagate.  The fires prepare seed beds, cycle nutrients and clear away competing species. It's well documented that past fire suppression efforts have detrimentally affected the Sequioa stands.

There are many species of trees that need fire to reproduce, mainly in the Western US.  Alot of pines with resinous cones need the heat from a fire to soften the pitch allowing the cone to open up and spill it's seeds (eww).  Fire Cherries benefit similarly.

Forest fires actually play a beneficial role in the ecosystem, but we have thrown that balance out of whack by putting them out for the last 100 years.  We are now reaping what we have sewn (ha!)


Please correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't the healthy fires for sequoias the low intensity brush fires? Vs this high-intensity stuff that's burning off a hundred years of accumulated kindling?

I thought it was like the difference between "resistant" and "proof"
 
2014-06-16 03:23:45 PM  

kendelrio: WelldeadLink: grimlock1972: i hope they can keep the fire away from those ancient forest giants, that said they can probably handle some flames with out takibg fatal damage but i'd rather they remain unharmed.

They just need to paint a white line where they want to stop the fire, as the white zone is for unloading fire trucks only.

No, the RED zone is for unloading fire trucks only.


You're just saying that because you wanted that fire aborted.
 
2014-06-16 03:30:47 PM  

felching pen: kendelrio: WelldeadLink: grimlock1972: i hope they can keep the fire away from those ancient forest giants, that said they can probably handle some flames with out takibg fatal damage but i'd rather they remain unharmed.

They just need to paint a white line where they want to stop the fire, as the white zone is for unloading fire trucks only.

No, the RED zone is for unloading fire trucks only.

You're just saying that because you wanted that fire aborted.


It's really the only sensible thing to do, if its done safely.
 
2014-06-16 03:32:03 PM  

felching pen: kendelrio: WelldeadLink: grimlock1972: i hope they can keep the fire away from those ancient forest giants, that said they can probably handle some flames with out takibg fatal damage but i'd rather they remain unharmed.

They just need to paint a white line where they want to stop the fire, as the white zone is for unloading fire trucks only.

No, the RED zone is for unloading fire trucks only.

You're just saying that because you wanted that fire aborted.


I wouldn't have wanted the fire aborted if I knew who started it!

/you biatch
 
2014-06-16 03:32:20 PM  

ReverendJynxed: Let it burn. Those fires are part of those giant tree's life-cycle.


That's exactly right, much like deforestation controls the tree population.
 
2014-06-16 03:49:21 PM  

oryx: Strange article. They're talking about a fire near the Sequoia National Forest and then they start calling it Shirley. Are they naming forest fires now?


Apart from the obvious jokes, they frequently name fires after whichever town it's near.

In this case, it's near the town of Shirley, CA, in King's county.
 
2014-06-16 03:54:20 PM  

The Green Intern: 2KanZam: grimlock1972: i hope they can keep the fire away from those ancient forest giants, that said they can probably handle some flames with out takibg fatal damage but i'd rather they remain unharmed.


Pretty sure you are not being sarcastic, so...


Sequoia trees actually benefit from forest fires, that is how they propagate.  The fires prepare seed beds, cycle nutrients and clear away competing species. It's well documented that past fire suppression efforts have detrimentally affected the Sequioa stands.

There are many species of trees that need fire to reproduce, mainly in the Western US.  Alot of pines with resinous cones need the heat from a fire to soften the pitch allowing the cone to open up and spill it's seeds (eww).  Fire Cherries benefit similarly.

Forest fires actually play a beneficial role in the ecosystem, but we have thrown that balance out of whack by putting them out for the last 100 years.  We are now reaping what we have sewn (ha!)

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't the healthy fires for sequoias the low intensity brush fires? Vs this high-intensity stuff that's burning off a hundred years of accumulated kindling?

I thought it was like the difference between "resistant" and "proof"



I'm not gonna pretend I have a PHD in Sequoia management  (although I have a BS in forest resource management and was once a wildfire fighter for the NWCG) But I seem to remember that the bark and cambium (inner bark) is really REALLY thick and it is very resistant to fire (no tree is fire proof)...but yes there will be some maximum threshhold....and this fire may be closer to that threshold due to the likelyhood that there is an abuundance of fuel due to our past fire supression efforts (again back to the "thrown balance out of whack"). I suspect it is possible for the heat to get too much for the seeds to survive.

Still, given how these tress have evolved to depend on the fire clearing out the understory for them, I would still venture to say it would do more good than bad. There will often be SOME mortality from these fires anyways...it's all part of the cycle.

Additionally In this forest type, you are very unlikely to get canopy fires anyways (no "ladder fuels" to speak of that would reach into canopy) Therefore the fire should stay pretty low and clear out the secondary species in the understory. The problem I bet is how big these understory species have gotten and therefore exist in higher densities than the ecology has historically evolved.  They did mention the fires are mostly in the brush surrounding the stands.  IMO this might allow the stands to spread out a little bit and actually increase in acerage, which I don't think has happened with sequoia stands in a long time.
 
2014-06-16 04:02:47 PM  
I can see the smoke from my house so I'm getting a kick.

It's called The Shirley Fire because it's near Shirley Meadows (ski area) which is the closest named landmark. There are no giant trees nearby.
 
2014-06-16 04:10:32 PM  

Active introvert: I can see the smoke from my house so I'm getting a kick.


Well, it is California, so we know what you're burning.
 
2014-06-16 04:16:43 PM  
Sequoia, sequoia, sequoia
 
2014-06-16 04:20:28 PM  
"Cypress, what is it?"

"It is an Island nation in the Mediterranean Sea, but that's not important right now."
 
2014-06-16 04:21:40 PM  

WelldeadLink: Active introvert: I can see the smoke from my house so I'm getting a kick.

Well, it is California, so we know what you're burning.


Yeah, it is really beginning to suck here. Haven't started the water rationing in my town but if my A-hole neighbor keeps watering his lawn with a thousand gallons a day, it's coming fast.
 
2014-06-16 04:39:11 PM  

2KanZam: grimlock1972: i hope they can keep the fire away from those ancient forest giants, that said they can probably handle some flames with out takibg fatal damage but i'd rather they remain unharmed.


Pretty sure you are not being sarcastic, so...


Sequoia trees actually benefit from forest fires, that is how they propagate.  The fires prepare seed beds, cycle nutrients and clear away competing species. It's well documented that past fire suppression efforts have detrimentally affected the Sequioa stands.

There are many species of trees that need fire to reproduce, mainly in the Western US.  Alot of pines with resinous cones need the heat from a fire to soften the pitch allowing the cone to open up and spill it's seeds (eww).  Fire Cherries benefit similarly.

Forest fires actually play a beneficial role in the ecosystem, but we have thrown that balance out of whack by putting them out for the last 100 years.  We are now reaping what we have sewn (ha!)


You are right i wasnot being sarcastic but i had forgotten your point abot the forest fires  being needed for sequioas.
 
2014-06-16 05:07:25 PM  
That fire is a menace to everything in the forest.
Yes, birds too!
 
2014-06-16 05:17:18 PM  

Combustion: That fire is a menace to everything in the forest.
Yes, birds too!


You forgot to mention Bambi. We know that Bambi's in there, we just saw it on the DVD. It's fact. Fire bad.
 
2014-06-16 05:17:18 PM  

ReverendJynxed: Let it burn. Those fires are part of those giant tree's life-cycle.


To keep with the theme, a better way to have said this would be, "Those fires are part of the giant tree's lifecycle. I say, let em burn!"
 
2014-06-16 05:17:56 PM  
Those trees KNEW what they were getting into.  I say, let them burn!
 
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