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2014-06-16 03:26:56 PM
It means to never, ever, underestimate the value of insanity as a motivational tool.
 
2014-06-16 04:20:39 PM
Happiness?
 
2014-06-16 04:22:00 PM
So you're saying there's a chance?
 
2014-06-16 04:23:37 PM
There is really no reason the Democrats can't take this seat in November, which - if they hold true to form - means they will do something stupid and lose it.
 
2014-06-16 04:23:38 PM

Summoner101: So you're saying there's a chance?


i2.ytimg.com

/ate my image
 
2014-06-16 04:26:06 PM
Well it is pretty interesting, given how small the turnout was, and how much of that turnout was Democrats trying to sabotage Cantor.

Since most commentators expect that it will force GOP candidates to shift further right and produce lots of quotes to alienate non-white voters, could really upset the applecart.

65,000 voters
 
2014-06-16 04:26:45 PM

Lucky LaRue: There is really no reason the Democrats can't take this seat in November, which - if they hold true to form - means they will do something stupid and lose it.


Other than the fact that the district leans heavily Republican and the Democratic candidate is just as much of a nobody as Bratty Brat Brat (they are both unknown professors at the same podunk little college), no reason at all.
 
2014-06-16 04:27:28 PM
A surprisingly well-written article about the value of grass-roots political efforts vs. spending large sums of money...nice
 
2014-06-16 04:31:48 PM
Hopefully it means you can't work for Israel first and then US.
 
2014-06-16 04:36:58 PM

Lucky LaRue: There is really no reason the Democrats can't take this seat in November, which - if they hold true to form - means they will do something stupid and lose it.


The district is R+10. David Brat has a natural advantage absent doing something insane like flaying a bunch of babies and feasting on their entrails live on national TV.
 
2014-06-16 04:37:30 PM
Completely ignoring Brat's politics, his win is really inspiring as a David vs. Goliath story.  I never thought that could happen, and would have bet against it even if you had given me 100-to-1 odds.

If Cantor can lose, then anything is possible.  What exactly makes Hillary Clinton or Jeb Bush so "inevitable"?  That they have money and inside connections?  So did Cantor.

To hell with cynicism!  Politicians only hold office because we make a choice to vote for them.
 
2014-06-16 04:40:14 PM

Geotpf: Lucky LaRue: There is really no reason the Democrats can't take this seat in November, which - if they hold true to form - means they will do something stupid and lose it.

Other than the fact that the district leans heavily Republican and the Democratic candidate is just as much of a nobody as Bratty Brat Brat (they are both unknown professors at the same podunk little college), no reason at all.


Serious Black: Lucky LaRue: There is really no reason the Democrats can't take this seat in November, which - if they hold true to form - means they will do something stupid and lose it.

The district is R+10. David Brat has a natural advantage absent doing something insane like flaying a bunch of babies and feasting on their entrails live on national TV.


Good.  Well done.  It is never too early to start making excuses.
 
2014-06-16 04:41:21 PM

flynn80: Hopefully it means you can't work for Israel first and then US.


I do believe Cantor is the only Jewish Republican in the House.  Some have suggested general anti-Semitism was a factor in his defeat.

/however, it is possible to be anti-Israel and not be an anti-Semite
//but we are talking about Republican primary voters here
 
2014-06-16 04:42:16 PM
A lesson the Dems won't take is that people who obey the law are tired of working to provide benefits for those who don't.
 
2014-06-16 04:47:24 PM

Lucky LaRue: Serious Black: Lucky LaRue: There is really no reason the Democrats can't take this seat in November, which - if they hold true to form - means they will do something stupid and lose it.

The district is R+10. David Brat has a natural advantage absent doing something insane like flaying a bunch of babies and feasting on their entrails live on national TV.


Good. Well done. It is never too early to start making excuses.


So when the Cook Political Report names the VA-07 district solid Republican, meaning it's not competitive and there's no hope of the seat flipping hands, simply pointing out the natural advantage the Republican Party has is making excuses for giving up a solid pick-up chance?
 
2014-06-16 04:51:44 PM

Serious Black: Lucky LaRue: Serious Black: Lucky LaRue: There is really no reason the Democrats can't take this seat in November, which - if they hold true to form - means they will do something stupid and lose it.

The district is R+10. David Brat has a natural advantage absent doing something insane like flaying a bunch of babies and feasting on their entrails live on national TV.


Good. Well done. It is never too early to start making excuses.

So when the Cook Political Report names the VA-07 district solid Republican, meaning it's not competitive and there's no hope of the seat flipping hands, simply pointing out the natural advantage the Republican Party has is making excuses for giving up a solid pick-up chance?


Look at you blackpedaling for 0bama,

/I derped myself
 
2014-06-16 04:52:32 PM

Serious Black: The district is R+10. David Brat has a natural advantage absent doing something insane like flaying a bunch of babies and feasting on their entrails live on national TV.


Let him get some opportunities to talk and people more time to look up his internet history and published papers.

He's a Calvanist / Christian dominist.  I think we can find some quotes like saying that the government has the right to outlaw branches of Christianity that it doesn't like.
 
2014-06-16 04:54:10 PM

Lucky LaRue: Geotpf: Lucky LaRue: There is really no reason the Democrats can't take this seat in November, which - if they hold true to form - means they will do something stupid and lose it.

Other than the fact that the district leans heavily Republican and the Democratic candidate is just as much of a nobody as Bratty Brat Brat (they are both unknown professors at the same podunk little college), no reason at all.

Serious Black: Lucky LaRue: There is really no reason the Democrats can't take this seat in November, which - if they hold true to form - means they will do something stupid and lose it.

The district is R+10. David Brat has a natural advantage absent doing something insane like flaying a bunch of babies and feasting on their entrails live on national TV.

Good.  Well done.  It is never too early to start making excuses.


Christ on a cross that's weak trolling.

That's the best you can come up with? Make a baseless claim that the Dem is a shoe in and respond to the facts that challenge your claim with "Excuses, excuses"? That is pathetic, lazy, sorry excuse for bait. It's beyond transparent. That's not trolling, that's begging.

Not only that, it's completely safe, you win no matter what. Put in some goddamn effort, take risks, make outlandish claims and find even more outlandish sources to support it.

Earn that TotalFark subscription you hack or else you know what will happen? You'll get Cantor'd. Some batsh*t loony will start showing you up, overshadowing you, getting all the bites and your half-assed mutterings won't even get mocked, they'll be completely ignored.

Learn a lesson from Eric and step up your game, son.
 
2014-06-16 04:55:46 PM

mjjt: Well it is pretty interesting, given how small the turnout was, and how much of that turnout was Democrats trying to sabotage Cantor.

Since most commentators expect that it will force GOP candidates to shift further right and produce lots of quotes to alienate non-white voters, could really upset the applecart.

65,000 voters


Turnout was small compared to voter base but larger than the last primary.
 
2014-06-16 04:56:23 PM

Geotpf: flynn80: Hopefully it means you can't work for Israel first and then US.

I do believe Cantor is the only Jewish Republican in the House.  Some have suggested general anti-Semitism was a factor in his defeat.

/however, it is possible to be anti-Israel and not be an anti-Semite
//but we are talking about Republican primary voters here


The more impressive feat Republicans manage to pull off is being antisemitic without being anti-Israel.
 
2014-06-16 04:57:13 PM
Gerrymandering+winnner take all is stupid, and this whole thing is an artifact of that and has exactly nothing to do with any meaningful characteristic of popular opinion, Cantor, Brat, or much else.

It's just because of bad electoral design.
 
2014-06-16 05:01:16 PM

Procerus: Geotpf: flynn80: Hopefully it means you can't work for Israel first and then US.

I do believe Cantor is the only Jewish Republican in the House.  Some have suggested general anti-Semitism was a factor in his defeat.

/however, it is possible to be anti-Israel and not be an anti-Semite
//but we are talking about Republican primary voters here

The more impressive feat Republicans manage to pull off is being antisemitic without being anti-Israel.


All it takes is being anti-Arab/anti-Muslim. It's how Christopher Hitchens managed to be anti-theistic and pro-Israel.
 
2014-06-16 05:06:13 PM

Bith Set Me Up: Procerus: Geotpf: flynn80: Hopefully it means you can't work for Israel first and then US.

I do believe Cantor is the only Jewish Republican in the House.  Some have suggested general anti-Semitism was a factor in his defeat.

/however, it is possible to be anti-Israel and not be an anti-Semite
//but we are talking about Republican primary voters here

The more impressive feat Republicans manage to pull off is being antisemitic without being anti-Israel.

All it takes is being anti-Arab/anti-Muslim. It's how Christopher Hitchens managed to be anti-theistic and pro-Israel.


I thought that for Republicans, being pro-Israel and anti-Muslim were the same thing?

/only half joking
 
2014-06-16 05:06:50 PM

enry: mjjt: Well it is pretty interesting, given how small the turnout was, and how much of that turnout was Democrats trying to sabotage Cantor.

Since most commentators expect that it will force GOP candidates to shift further right and produce lots of quotes to alienate non-white voters, could really upset the applecart.

65,000 voters

Turnout was small compared to voter base but larger than the last primary.


What I was trying to say was that 65000 voters are going to change the whole political landscape if they force all the GOP candidates to pander to the anti-immigration lobby
 
2014-06-16 05:06:52 PM

Satanic_Hamster: Serious Black: The district is R+10. David Brat has a natural advantage absent doing something insane like flaying a bunch of babies and feasting on their entrails live on national TV.

Let him get some opportunities to talk and people more time to look up his internet history and published papers.

He's a Calvanist / Christian dominist.  I think we can find some quotes like saying that the government has the right to outlaw branches of Christianity that it doesn't like.


A quote on the difference between rape and rape-rape would have more legs.

/ maybe with some discussion on in-suck would be nice.
 
2014-06-16 05:09:15 PM

Serious Black: Lucky LaRue: There is really no reason the Democrats can't take this seat in November, which - if they hold true to form - means they will do something stupid and lose it.

The district is R+10. David Brat has a natural advantage absent doing something insane like flaying a bunch of babies and feasting on their entrails live on national TV.


static.fjcdn.com
 
2014-06-16 05:15:34 PM

1derful: A lesson the Dems won't take is that people who obey the law are tired of working to provide benefits for those who don't.


Bless your heart.
 
2014-06-16 05:16:17 PM

Procerus: Geotpf: flynn80: Hopefully it means you can't work for Israel first and then US.

I do believe Cantor is the only Jewish Republican in the House.  Some have suggested general anti-Semitism was a factor in his defeat.

/however, it is possible to be anti-Israel and not be an anti-Semite
//but we are talking about Republican primary voters here

The more impressive feat Republicans manage to pull off is being antisemitic without being anti-Israel.


Smart and Funny is also an impressive feat. :)
 
2014-06-16 05:18:03 PM
While the district is reliably Republican, there are a few of the counties in it that hate the Tea Party with the fires of a thousand suns (Culpeper and Orange to name 2 of them).

So, it's not out of the realm of possibility for Brat to lose.  Either if a lot of non TP types decide not to vote, or hold their nose and vote for the Dem.

It all depends on how badly the R's in District 7 want a batshiat looney representing them in the House of Representatives.
 
2014-06-16 05:18:53 PM
FTFA: This dynamic stands in stark contrast to the one between Democrats and their progressive grass-roots base, which pushes the party to embrace policy ideas that enjoy broad popular support.

BAHAHAHAHhAhAhAHAhahahahaHAHhAHa

Oh man, that's good.  Most Democrats spend 10 out of every 12 months shiatting all over progressives who they know are essentially captive votes, cause who else are we going to vote for?  The nutbags in the GOP?  Ha.  The other 2 months of the year they spend lying to us to try and shore up primary support and/or voter turnout.
 
2014-06-16 05:19:38 PM

Dan the Schman: Christ on a cross that's weak trolling.

That's the best you can come up with? Make a baseless claim that the Dem is a shoe in and respond to the facts that challenge your claim with "Excuses, excuses"? That is pathetic, lazy, sorry excuse for bait. It's beyond transparent. That's not trolling, that's begging.

Not only that, it's completely safe, you win no matter what. Put in some goddamn effort, take risks, make outlandish claims and find even more outlandish sources to support it.

Earn that TotalFark subscription you hack or else you know what will happen? You'll get Cantor'd. Some batsh*t loony will start showing you up, overshadowing you, getting all the bites and your half-assed mutterings won't even get mocked, they'll be completely ignored.

Learn a lesson from Eric and step up your game, son.


I like this response. I like it a lot.
 
2014-06-16 05:20:51 PM
Most likely it will just make the Republican establishment redouble its efforts and not take anything for granted from now on.
 
2014-06-16 05:22:47 PM
I'm so glad the Improbability Drive works outside the galaxy, say in politics, for instance.

www.toplessrobot.com
 
2014-06-16 05:23:34 PM

1derful: A lesson the Dems won't take is that people who obey the law are tired of working to provide benefits for those who don't.


See, Lucky? There's always a troll ready to spit crazier shiat than you.
 
2014-06-16 05:26:34 PM
Second, Americans are so fed up with Congress that even the tea party wants to kick it out. Eric Cantor was part of a leadership team that has spent four years passing legislation that would increase the wealth gap and desecrate the environment. They have stymied every presidential initiative for the sake of political posturing. House leaders have engaged in very little serious work that would benefit the American people, and voters are sick of it.

This paragraph proves to me that Dean is missing the point entirely. "Even" the tea party? I think the term you're looking for there is "especially." And I guarantee you that Cantor's lack of cooperation with Obama and work on the environment are not why he was voted out.
 
2014-06-16 05:27:21 PM

Captain Dan: Completely ignoring Brat's politics, his win is really inspiring as a David vs. Goliath story.  I never thought that could happen, and would have bet against it even if you had given me 100-to-1 odds.

If Cantor can lose, then anything is possible.  What exactly makes Hillary Clinton or Jeb Bush so "inevitable"?  That they have money and inside connections?  So did Cantor.

To hell with cynicism!  Politicians only hold office because we make a choice to vote for them.


HRC was "inevitable' before and lost. I would Like Dems to find a viable candidate who isn't her.
 
2014-06-16 05:29:23 PM

Rwa2play: Serious Black: Lucky LaRue: There is really no reason the Democrats can't take this seat in November, which - if they hold true to form - means they will do something stupid and lose it.

The district is R+10. David Brat has a natural advantage absent doing something insane like flaying a bunch of babies and feasting on their entrails live on national TV.


I love that picture so much I want to marry it and have little baby pictures :)
 
2014-06-16 05:32:59 PM
The D's chance in that district is irrelevant.

The victory was in mucking up R leadership.
 
2014-06-16 05:35:54 PM

Super Chronic: And I guarantee you that Cantor's lack of cooperation with Obama and work on the environment are not why he was voted out.


I think they might be, but not because Cantor didn't cooperate with Obama, it's because he didn't do enough not-cooperating with Obama. And, similarly, the Tea Party doesn't want to give Congress the boot because they spent the last 4 years passing legislation that would increase the wealth gap and desecrate the environment, the Tea Party wants to give Congress the boot because they didn't accomplish enough of that agenda.
 
2014-06-16 05:46:23 PM

qorkfiend: Super Chronic: And I guarantee you that Cantor's lack of cooperation with Obama and work on the environment are not why he was voted out.

I think they might be, but not because Cantor didn't cooperate with Obama, it's because he didn't do enough not-cooperating with Obama. And, similarly, the Tea Party doesn't want to give Congress the boot because they spent the last 4 years passing legislation that would increase the wealth gap and desecrate the environment, the Tea Party wants to give Congress the boot because they didn't accomplish enough of that agenda.


Well yes, exactly. But Dean is essentially implying that they voted the bum out because Americans want Congress to stop stymieing Obama's legislative agenda and get moving forward on things like the environment. The real reason is because a majority of the 14% of eligible voters who turned out for a primary in one backwater district wanted even more stymieing. (And I grant that there may have been more to it than that; reportedly there was also a feeling that Cantor was out of touch, which is alluded to in Dean's first and third point and which, frankly, is a valid concern.)

/"stymieing" is not a word I use often and it looks weird
 
2014-06-16 05:47:30 PM

UNC_Samurai: 1derful: A lesson the Dems won't take is that people who obey the law are tired of working to provide benefits for those who don't.

See, Lucky? There's always a troll ready to spit crazier shiat than you.



And people wonder why there's a perception that the FARK Politics tab skews left.
 
2014-06-16 05:51:02 PM

Super Chronic: Well yes, exactly. But Dean is essentially implying that they voted the bum out because Americans want Congress to stop stymieing Obama's legislative agenda and get moving forward on things like the environment. The real reason is because a majority of the 14% of eligible voters who turned out for a primary in one backwater district wanted even more stymieing. (And I grant that there may have been more to it than that; reportedly there was also a feeling that Cantor was out of touch, which is alluded to in Dean's first and third point and which, frankly, is a valid concern.)

/"stymieing" is not a word I use often and it looks weird


Oh, it's DEFINITELY due to Cantor being 'out of touch' with his district.  He was doing more with and for the national party than he was bothering to do for his own district and it was pissing a lot of people off.
 
2014-06-16 06:04:21 PM
Second, Americans are so fed up with Congress that even the tea party wants to kick it out. Eric Cantor was part of a leadership team that has spent four years passing legislation that would increase the wealth gap and desecrate the environment. They have stymied every presidential initiative for the sake of political posturing. House leaders have engaged in very little serious work that would benefit the American people, and voters are sick of it.

Even the Tea Party? Hell, even if Congress were composed of saints, the Tea Party would want to "throw the Rascals out! Hey, not my scooter, give that back!" This is like saying "Americans are so fed up with the deficit, even the Democrats want to raise taxes."

And "House leaders have engaged in very little serious work that would benefit the American people, and voters are sick of it" -- very likely true in many other districts, but Brat came at Cantor from the right, not the left. If anything, the voters who bothered to turn out want to start burning things and marching on the capital. They think things are changing too quickly, dagnabbit, and to hell with that cloud up there, too.

/Figuratively marching with their motorized scooters, of course.
//And you really shouldn't mistake dislike of Cantor for love of your own political viewpoint.
 
2014-06-16 06:09:27 PM

1derful: A lesson the Dems won't take is that people who obey the law are tired of working to provide benefits for those who don't.


I've seen this talking point used here before and again I have to ask: what benefits?
 
2014-06-16 06:10:34 PM

Serious Black: Lucky LaRue: There is really no reason the Democrats can't take this seat in November, which - if they hold true to form - means they will do something stupid and lose it.

The district is R+10. David Brat has a natural advantage absent doing something insane like flaying a bunch of babies and feasting on their entrails live on national TV.


I'm not willing to rule this out.
 
2014-06-16 06:10:37 PM

Captain Dan: Completely ignoring Brat's politics, his win is really inspiring as a David vs. Goliath story.  I never thought that could happen, and would have bet against it even if you had given me 100-to-1 odds.

If Cantor can lose, then anything is possible.  What exactly makes Hillary Clinton or Jeb Bush so "inevitable"?  That they have money and inside connections?  So did Cantor.

To hell with cynicism!  Politicians only hold office because we make a choice to vote for them.


He had the money, but he didn't use it to promote his message. What's good with money if you don't use it? Instead he bought a lot of steak dinners.
 
2014-06-16 06:13:39 PM

Cyclometh: Dan the Schman: Christ on a cross that's weak trolling.

That's the best you can come up with? Make a baseless claim that the Dem is a shoe in and respond to the facts that challenge your claim with "Excuses, excuses"? That is pathetic, lazy, sorry excuse for bait. It's beyond transparent. That's not trolling, that's begging.

Not only that, it's completely safe, you win no matter what. Put in some goddamn effort, take risks, make outlandish claims and find even more outlandish sources to support it.

Earn that TotalFark subscription you hack or else you know what will happen? You'll get Cantor'd. Some batshiat loony will start showing you up, overshadowing you, getting all the bites and your half-assed mutterings won't even get mocked, they'll be completely ignored.

Learn a lesson from Eric and step up your game, son.

I like this response. I like it a lot.


mrwgifs.com

Continuing with the theme...
 
2014-06-16 06:17:54 PM

mjjt: Well it is pretty interesting, given how small the turnout was, and how much of that turnout was Democrats trying to sabotage Cantor.


This is why open primaries should be abolished.  Too many people cross party lines to vote for the biggest nutjob on the ballot.  When both sides do it, and you're left with a couple of nutjobs on the general ballot.

Put everyone on the general ballot and let us use a preferential voting system to pick our favorites.
 
2014-06-16 06:30:14 PM

Dinjiin: This is why open primaries should be abolished.  Too many people cross party lines to vote for the biggest nutjob on the ballot.  When both sides do it, and you're left with a couple of nutjobs on the general ballot.


This point seemed obvious to me from the very first time I ever heard about open primaries; I'm at a loss to understand why they still exist.
 
2014-06-16 06:33:25 PM

Dinjiin: This is why open primaries should be abolished. Too many people cross party lines to vote for the biggest nutjob on the ballot. When both sides do it, and you're left with a couple of nutjobs on the general ballot.

Put everyone on the general ballot and let us use a preferential voting system to pick our favorites.


Except that from the actual turnout evidence, the vast bulk of the people that voted for Brat were in the counties that are more Tea party supporters than the others.  But if it makes you feel better to think that the Dems had something to do with his win, knock yourself out.
 
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