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(AP)   Tea Party Dark Horse Dave Brat hides from the media after defeating Eric Cantor. This may be a brilliant strategy, since the less he speaks to the media, the lower the chance he says something totally stupid   (hosted.ap.org ) divider line
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2014-06-16 10:45:10 AM  
Too bad Hillary didn't consider this before scheduling her book tour/coming out party.
 
2014-06-16 10:57:39 AM  
Given the recent history of some of the tea party candidates, it looks like they're learning.
 
2014-06-16 11:05:50 AM  
They always hide from the media.  It's become a Tea Party cliche.
 
2014-06-16 11:10:26 AM  

Mentat: They always hide from the media.  It's become a Tea Party cliche.


The lieberul mainstream MSM media just wants to quote them out of context and make them look stupid.  They can do that all on their own.
 
2014-06-16 11:21:01 AM  

Mentat: They always hide from the media.  It's become a Tea Party cliche.


I really can't blame him. He beat a sitting representative in a primary. Not only that; he beat one of the most influential republicans on the Hill. That just doesn't happen very often, or ever. Most congress critters get returned until they die or retire. Plus, this guy has been under a news microscope for about a week.

/ I was going to go all Ben Franklin quote; but, here's one from Oliver Wendell Homes "It is the province of knowledge to speak, and it is the privilege of wisdom to listen"
 
2014-06-16 12:02:46 PM  
Not ready for prime time.
 
2014-06-16 12:06:06 PM  
I certainly think he's doing the right thing.
 
2014-06-16 12:25:42 PM  
Call it a "Sarah Palin."
 
2014-06-16 12:44:46 PM  
If he's allowed to speak, he'll surely gaffe! By which I mean he'll just speak his mind and give us a window into his deep seeded beliefs.
 
2014-06-16 12:45:25 PM  

IamKaiserSoze!!!: Too bad Hillary didn't consider this before scheduling her book tour/coming out party.


They have parties for becoming homoghay?! When will this homosexual agenda cease?!!
 
2014-06-16 12:46:17 PM  
Fark, man. He can't be the Christine O'Donnell of 2014 if he stops telling us all of the AMAZING things that he thinks about life. I have $100 ready to donate to his campaign TODAY if he'll just say the words "I'm not a witch."
 
2014-06-16 12:47:30 PM  
He's big on truthiness.
 
2014-06-16 12:47:47 PM  

iheartscotch: I really can't blame him. He beat a sitting representative in a primary. Not only that; he beat one of the most influential republicans on the Hill. That just doesn't happen very often, or ever. Most congress critters get returned until they die or retire. Plus, this guy has been under a news microscope for about a week.


I'm not so sure.  Brat didn't spend any money and nobody knew who he was, but Cantor had a 30% approval rating in his own districts.  Brat didn't win so much as "Not Cantor" won.
 
2014-06-16 12:47:57 PM  

Richard C Stanford: IamKaiserSoze!!!: Too bad Hillary didn't consider this before scheduling her book tour/coming out party.

They have parties for becoming homoghay?! When will this homosexual agenda cease?!!


IamTrollerSoze is just trying to squeeze a few extra miles out of last week's Right Wing Talking Point #4.
 
2014-06-16 12:48:32 PM  
"Sharon Angle, what do you mean by 2nd Amendment Remedies?  Wait, where are you going?"
 
2014-06-16 12:48:40 PM  
Mr. Brat, What's your stand on Rape, abortion, socializms, big government, rape, and liberulz?
 
2014-06-16 12:49:11 PM  

Jack Mackbell: deep seeded beliefs


If you seed them too deep, they will never derp.
 
2014-06-16 12:51:04 PM  
A 2011 paper by Brat in which he worries about a Hitler-like dictator rising to power again received heavy attention.

And yet, reports have said that he's a Calvanist / Christian Dominist.  It's not that he's opposed to a Hitler style dictator, it's just that HE wants to be that guy.
 
2014-06-16 12:52:15 PM  
"Professor Brat, you defeated a powerful, entrenched incumbent with a tiny budget and staff. Now the public has but one question: Are you a witch?"
 
2014-06-16 12:52:51 PM  
he had no idea he was going to win, and probably expected to lose.  so now he's now freaking out because he realizes that his whole life is about to change and everything he says will be dissected by the media.  i would not be surprised if he totally screws up his whole campaign and loses the election because he can't take the pressure.  and if that happens, i'll laugh my ass off.  i mean, i'll feel sorry for the guy, but that would be hilarious.
 
2014-06-16 12:53:38 PM  

Aquapope: iheartscotch: I really can't blame him. He beat a sitting representative in a primary. Not only that; he beat one of the most influential republicans on the Hill. That just doesn't happen very often, or ever. Most congress critters get returned until they die or retire. Plus, this guy has been under a news microscope for about a week.

I'm not so sure.  Brat didn't spend any money and nobody knew who he was, but Cantor had a 30% approval rating in his own districts.  Brat didn't win so much as "Not Cantor" won.


This specific situation is different, granted. But, how many times has an incumbent lost a primary race, even in a state legislature situation, to an unknown? Probably not very many.
 
2014-06-16 12:54:42 PM  

EvilEgg: Mentat: They always hide from the media.  It's become a Tea Party cliche.

The lieberul mainstream MSM media just wants to quote them out of context and make them look stupid.  They can do that all on their own.


This, as well as the headline, is true of any politician.
 
2014-06-16 12:55:25 PM  

Alphax: "Sharon Angle, what do you mean by 2nd Amendment Remedies?  Wait, where are you going?"


Thanks
This is not new for the GOTP. I think it should be called "The Sharon Angle Sprint".
 
2014-06-16 12:56:17 PM  

shower_in_my_socks: Richard C Stanford: IamKaiserSoze!!!: Too bad Hillary didn't consider this before scheduling her book tour/coming out party.

They have parties for becoming homoghay?! When will this homosexual agenda cease?!!

IamTrollerSoze is just trying to squeeze a few extra miles out of last week's Right Wing Talking Point #4.


Yeah, I know. I still think the term "coming out party" is unintentionally hilarious. It's like saying "we'll get all the boys and have a gay old time!"
 
2014-06-16 12:56:59 PM  
I Like To Capitalize The First six words of every sentence I write too.  Isn't This Fun?  (Does This Apply To Sentences That have less than six words in them?)

/Granted, The First, Second, Fifth, And sixth words should have been capitalized, but the third and fourth shouldn't have been
 
2014-06-16 01:03:10 PM  
GOP: We don't need new ideas, we need to better communicate the ones we already have.

Media: Such as...

GOP: Look over there!
 
2014-06-16 01:03:21 PM  
We already know a lot of the shiat this guy believes:

1. Nations are more economically successful if they're Protestant. (He's going to be really farking surprised by China in the next few decades)

2. He believes that his defeat of Cantor was "a miracle" and that "God acted through the people on his behalf."

3. He applies a Biblical lesson to pretty much every single major issue of the day. There would be less corruption in capitalism if people read the Bible more. We shouldn't have high interest rates because the Bible is against usury. And so on. He left the seminary he was in because it WASN'T RELIGIOUS ENOUGH.
 
2014-06-16 01:05:54 PM  
Well, he's already told us he wants to gut education funding because things were much better in 400 B.C.
 
2014-06-16 01:07:22 PM  
iheartscotch:
/ I was going to go all Ben Franklin quote; but, here's one from Oliver Wendell Homes "It is the province of knowledge to speak, and it is the privilege of wisdom to listen"



The one that came to my mind is "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt." [attribution uncertain]

/notes
 
2014-06-16 01:10:23 PM  

vudukungfu: Mr. Brat, What's your stand on Rape, abortion, socializms, big government, rape, and liberulz?


You said "rape" twice.
 
2014-06-16 01:13:06 PM  

EvilEgg: Mentat: They always hide from the media.  It's become a Tea Party cliche.

The lieberul mainstream MSM media just wants to quote them out of context and make them look stupid.  They can do that all on their own.


If I were new to Fark, I might have to declare Poe's Law on this...

/THAT'S where the political discourse in this country is...
 
2014-06-16 01:13:31 PM  
PLEASE stop calling this guy a dark horse or pretending his victory was some kind of fluke.

His "professorship" at Randolph-Macon was created more or less explicitly for him thanks to a gift from former BB&T CEO   billionaire John Allison who endowed a professorship in economic specifically to teach courses about Ayn Rand's economic theories.

Allison Left BB&T and was hired by The Cato Institute, or as it used to be known, The Charles Koch Institute.

Eric Cantor went from Tea Party darling to RINO almost overnight fueled largely by relentless attacks by right-wing radio hosts.  Most notably Mark Levin and Laura Ingraham

The Koch-Funded Americans for Prosperity became major  sponsors of both radio hosts last year shortly befor ethe attacks began.


Dark Money? Yep  Dark Horse?  Oh hell no, this guy is more like a wholly-owned subsidiary of Koch Industries
 
2014-06-16 01:15:03 PM  
He bravely took to his feet
and beat a very brave retreat
Bravest of the brave, Sir Brat
 
2014-06-16 01:23:30 PM  

shower_in_my_socks: We shouldn't have high interest rates because the Bible is against usury.


Actually, he thinks we should have high interest rates because we have abortions and homogheys and it would be wrong to get rid of one without getting rid of the others:

Curiously, the church is currently loathe to judge anyone for anything. Sin is not in vogue. But when it comes to capitalism, judgment is at hand...There is obviously a tremendous gulf between biblical statements made to faith communities and their direct application to secular law today. Seminaries go out of their way to show the complexities of exegesis, but when it comes to hot-button issues such as usury, rationality often flies out the window. Can Christians force others to follow their ethical teachings on social issues? Note that consistency is lacking on all sides of this issue.

Oh, and the Bible doesn't really condemn usury to begin with. You read it wrong:

The Bible is clear that usury should not be practiced in small religious communities where loans involving the deep familial bond of brothers and sisters occur, especially poor brothers and sisters. It is less clear on usury in general

In his mind, Jesus threw out the money changers to give those hard-working job creators some well-earned vacation time.
 
2014-06-16 01:24:26 PM  
Let me guess, last week's press wig-out over Brat's use of a Max Weber quote didn't make it into a Fark thread, so it didn't happen?

Carry on.
 
2014-06-16 01:27:52 PM  
Oh please, he's been flooded with calls and interview requests. He's not trying to spite you, he's just trying to keep his sanity. If the entire national media was beating down my door at once, I'd probably tell them to fark off as well.
 
2014-06-16 01:29:28 PM  

cptjeff: Oh please, he's been flooded with calls and interview requests. He's not trying to spite you, he's just trying to keep his sanity. If the entire national media was beating down my door at once, I'd probably tell them to fark off as well.


Yeah, buy you're not one of the major party's candidate for the US Senate.
 
2014-06-16 01:32:11 PM  
I would avoid the spotlight if I had his credentials.

The major info that was unearthed about him is that he didn't actually earn his teaching position at Randolph-Macon College. Instead it was bought for him so that he could promote the economic and ethical thoughts of Ayn Rand, and if he hadn't brought money to the college he probably wouldn't have gotten a job there.

Then again discussing the ethics of this seems forbidden. Yes the Koch brothers have bought several economic and other teaching positions to promote their viewpoints. As have other individuals and organizations such as trade groups. How is say a scientist getting a legitimate research grant different than special interests funding propaganda? (anti-global-warming, pro tobacco, etc.)
 
2014-06-16 01:36:06 PM  

max_pooper: cptjeff: Oh please, he's been flooded with calls and interview requests. He's not trying to spite you, he's just trying to keep his sanity. If the entire national media was beating down my door at once, I'd probably tell them to fark off as well.

Yeah, buy you're not one of the major party's candidate for the US Senate.


Neither is Brat.
 
2014-06-16 01:39:46 PM  

Wendy's Chili: Oh, and the Bible doesn't really condemn usury to begin with. You read it wrong:

The Bible is clear that usury should not be practiced in small religious communities where loans involving the deep familial bond of brothers and sisters occur, especially poor brothers and sisters. It is less clear on usury in general

In his mind, Jesus threw out the money changers to give those hard-working job creators some well-earned vacation time.


He wrote about usury more than just that one time. Here is another quote from him:

"Usury is one small piece of this market mechanism and information puzzle. Interest rates are set by the market, by supply and demand for money. As a Christian, can I charge interest and be okay with God? Well, as a Calvinist, the answer would be found by asking God. God is the source of morality and ethics. In brief, I think that God tells us that if we intend to love and help our neighbor by such an action, then the answer is "yes"; to harm, "no."

Emphasis added. So his answer is "Jesus."
 
2014-06-16 01:53:20 PM  
To be fair, his opponents don't seem to be saying much of anything either.
 
2014-06-16 01:58:42 PM  

shower_in_my_socks: Wendy's Chili: Oh, and the Bible doesn't really condemn usury to begin with. You read it wrong:

The Bible is clear that usury should not be practiced in small religious communities where loans involving the deep familial bond of brothers and sisters occur, especially poor brothers and sisters. It is less clear on usury in general

In his mind, Jesus threw out the money changers to give those hard-working job creators some well-earned vacation time.

He wrote about usury more than just that one time. Here is another quote from him:

"Usury is one small piece of this market mechanism and information puzzle. Interest rates are set by the market, by supply and demand for money. As a Christian, can I charge interest and be okay with God? Well, as a Calvinist, the answer would be found by asking God. God is the source of morality and ethics. In brief, I think that God tells us that if we intend to love and help our neighbor by such an action, then the answer is "yes"; to harm, "no."

Emphasis added. So his answer is "Jesus."


So as long as you do it with a good heart it's ok to violate Biblical codes because that's what he believes God wants after some time of prayer and self-reflection.

I wonder if he knows members of virtually ever faith find leeway and exceptions to clear moral imperatives when it turns out what they want to do comes in conflict with what they are supposed to do. Funny how that works. I'm sure it's the Devil whispering heathen thoughts into their brain while God is telling you the truth, and that neither is an interpretation of the brain's ability to cope and rationalize in order to do deeds that are immoral while maintaining a positive self-image as a moral person.
 
2014-06-16 01:59:01 PM  

enderthexenocide: he had no idea he was going to win, and probably expected to lose.  so now he's now freaking out because he realizes that his whole life is about to change and everything he says will be dissected by the media.  i would not be surprised if he totally screws up his whole campaign and loses the election because he can't take the pressure.  and if that happens, i'll laugh my ass off.  i mean, i'll feel sorry for the guy, but that would be hilarious.


If that was really his motivation I don't feel sorry for him.  At all.  If that was his game, he tried to cash in some attention by appealing to the lowest common denominator and appeal to the fears of those in the right wing echo chamber.  If someone really doesn't want a position, they shouldn't run for that position.  He brought all this on himself.
 
2014-06-16 02:12:46 PM  

Luneward: enderthexenocide: he had no idea he was going to win, and probably expected to lose.  so now he's now freaking out because he realizes that his whole life is about to change and everything he says will be dissected by the media.  i would not be surprised if he totally screws up his whole campaign and loses the election because he can't take the pressure.  and if that happens, i'll laugh my ass off.  i mean, i'll feel sorry for the guy, but that would be hilarious.

If that was really his motivation I don't feel sorry for him.  At all.  If that was his game, he tried to cash in some attention by appealing to the lowest common denominator and appeal to the fears of those in the right wing echo chamber.  If someone really doesn't want a position, they shouldn't run for that position.  He brought all this on himself.


No, this is common.  You run to the extreme in the primary, and you run to the center in the general.  Old strategy.
 
2014-06-16 02:14:07 PM  

Wendy's Chili: The Bible is clear that usury should not be practiced in small religious communities where loans involving the deep familial bond of brothers and sisters occur, especially poor brothers and sisters. It is less clear on usury in general


He replied to him, "Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?" Pointing to his disciples, he said, "Here are my mother and my brothers. For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother."
 
2014-06-16 02:14:29 PM  

HairBolus: Then again discussing the ethics of this seems forbidden. Yes the Koch brothers have bought several economic and other teaching positions to promote their viewpoints. As have other individuals and organizations such as trade groups. How is say a scientist getting a legitimate research grant different than special interests funding propaganda? (anti-global-warming, pro tobacco, etc.)


In theory, a scientist starts with a hypothesis, tests it, and then comes to a conclusion based on the results.  This guy more starts with a conclusion and than goes around telling people how right it is.
 
2014-06-16 02:16:01 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: Not ready for prime time.


yeah, I mean the guy is no Richard Mourdock...
 
2014-06-16 02:38:40 PM  

enderthexenocide: he had no idea he was going to win, and probably expected to lose.  so now he's now freaking out because he realizes that his whole life is about to change and everything he says will be dissected by the media.  i would not be surprised if he totally screws up his whole campaign and loses the election because he can't take the pressure.  and if that happens, i'll laugh my ass off.  i mean, i'll feel sorry for the guy, but that would be hilarious.


I honestly think that even halfhearted "protest candidates" need to be ready to actually govern/legislate/etc. if they ever consider filing; hell I learned this the hard way in high school when I darkhorsed my way into being Jr. Class President (mostly just wanted to have more of a say over where we went for class trip than anything else).
/San Diego was fun
//great strip joints as I recall, but don't forget I was just a high school kid at the time
 
2014-06-16 02:47:41 PM  

shower_in_my_socks: Fark, man. He can't be the Christine O'Donnell of 2014 if he stops telling us all of the AMAZING things that he thinks about life. I have $100 ready to donate to his campaign TODAY if he'll just say the words "I'm not a witch."


I'm betting on "I am not a Satanist!"

Some "unafilliated" PAC should consider throwing up billboards like this all over his district:

static4.quoteswave.com



...and then pushing his Ayn Rand connection (his "published" paper on Randian philosophy) at every debate. Hell, make it a talking point for Trammel - he can talk about the dangers and anti-Christianity of Rand's philosophy, making him the "Christian" candidate, and let the people make the connection between Brat and Satanism themselves from the billboards. If they attack now, while Brat is "in seclusion", he'll be on the defensive for the entire campaign.
 
2014-06-16 03:01:51 PM  

Wendy's Chili: Oh, and the Bible doesn't really condemn usury to begin with. You read it wrong:

The Bible is clear that usury should not be practiced in small religious communities where loans involving the deep familial bond of brothers and sisters occur, especially poor brothers and sisters. It is less clear on usury in general

In his mind, Jesus threw out the money changers to give those hard-working job creators some well-earned vacation time.


They work so hard; that's why they make all that money.  Jesus did a good thing.
 
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