spman: I bet Carmelo either stays in NY or goes to Chicago.
elguerodiablo: How would Melo's ball hog isolation style help the Heat? Well if he can't help them on offense he can surely chip in with his shut down defense and fantastic rebounding. Right?
robsul82: spman: I bet Carmelo either stays in NY or goes to Chicago.Oy. I don't know how excited I should be about that.
Gunny Highway: elguerodiablo: How would Melo's ball hog isolation style help the Heat? Well if he can't help them on offense he can surely chip in with his shut down defense and fantastic rebounding. Right?Chris Bosh completely changed his game when he went to Miami. Why do we think Melo would be any different?Who is the best team mate Melo has had in his career?
drew46n2: Why doesn't EVERYONE want Melo? I mean, he's one of the best ball-hogs in the league. Who wouldn't want a guy who will jack up 30+ a night whether they're falling or not? Looking at the last several championship teams, it's clear that star-focused "me" ball is the formula for success in the NBA.
Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: Melo doesn't play any system besides the Melo System*, doesn't he?/*The Melo System consists of taking every shot but none of the blame
you have pee hands: The Heat can score alright, they just got smoked on defense. Melo and LeBron are both best as smallball 4s. He gets bashed so much he's getting underrated but I don't think there are many worse places for Melo than Miami.
Gunny Highway: I think this series proved they need a big and a PG desperately.
skinink: And as a two time Finals champion, Barkley would know about winning it all.
LemSkroob: I think he can make like $30M+ more by staying in NY than going elsewhere. That is a lot to pass up.
Orgasmatron138: They need a legit superstar to compliment Rose, and Melo's probably the closest thing available.
dragonchild: Orgasmatron138: They need a legit superstar to compliment Rose, and Melo's probably the closest thing available.That's pretty pathetic considering Melo is nowhere near close to a "legit" superstar.To be as fair as possible, I think he's misunderstood. People say he's a cancer but I don't know any player who spoke ill of his conduct in the locker room, and it was Melo of all people who pushed for Jeremy Lin's playing time. They say he's a ball-hog but he's very consistently averaged 3apg in his career; this is on par with a prolific finisher, about the same as Kevin Durant or Karl Malone. They say he doesn't try but he averaged 8rpg last season and rebound are largely (albeit far from completely) an effort thing. No, Melo isn't nearly the ball-hogging dickwad the media makes him out to be. The problem with Melo is that he's stupid.He's a streetballer -- not in any "thugball" or "selfish" way, but it seems to me he just doesn't see his teammates (except for the most obvious kick-out to the perimeter if the defense collapses on him) once he's focused on scoring. It's the difference between a sort of Musashi Miyamoto-esque romanticized duel going on in Melo's head vs. the small unit tactics that dominate NBA-level play. He doesn't necessarily want to bring it up the court (IIRC he was reluctant to play the role of point forward) but once the ball's in his hands he goes into a zone. That same zone that makes him almost unstoppable in a one-on-one matchup -- there is literally nothing a defender can do to stop him from scoring; he's just too talented -- also gives him the most myopic court vision in the NBA. So while you can almost never shut him down, you can certainly make him inefficient. Melo was 2nd in the league in scoring last season, but his TS% isn't even among the top 50 of active players. Similarly, on defense he just doesn't know what to do. I think it's very easy for an opposing team to use Melo's habits to their advantage.He's not a superstar. He's very talented -- as a finisher he's one of the best ever -- but that's only like 30% at most of what the NBA demands from a "legit" superstar.
BSABSVR: What's sad is that Anthony has all the skills and size and strength to be almost as good as LeBron James. He should be a triple-double threat almost every night. Instead he wants to jack the ball up and half-ass the rest.
dragonchild: I beg to differ. People keep talking about Melo like he's a real superstar who just doesn't try and prefers to shoot shoot shoot. I think that's wrong. I think he's incapable; i.e., he lacks the skills you think he has to be a triple-double threat; i.e., he was never a superstar in the first place. Stuff like court vision, situational awareness, strategy and decision-making are all skills that Melo just doesn't have. I'm not a huge fan of the guy but I've never seen a shred of evidence that he's all about himself. He's got a lot of swagger but he's got the talent to back it up. On the court, he plays like an over-eager but genuinely enthusiastic streetballin' ninth grader trapped in the body of a superstar -- I think he honestly tries to be the best he can be for the team; he just thinks that entails taking on his defender mano a mano and scoring in buckets. He lacks the intelligence to grasp anything more complex.
you have pee hands: he's still one of relatively few guys who can make a team's offense at least average basically by himself.
dragonchild: you have pee hands: he's still one of relatively few guys who can make a team's offense at least average basically by himself.That I will not dispute. You cannot have a below-average offense with Melo on the floor. He's that good, as a scoring machine. The problem is that this automatically leads to the conclusion that he's a superstar and thus deserves the max salary. Any logician can tell you that this is terrible logic. The reality is that the ceiling for an offense with Melo on the floor is above-average (and he's sure not paid for his defense). He not only doesn't make his teammates better; he doesn't make any half-decent team better. Any team with playoff ambitions has nothing to gain by throwing a max salary at Melo; frankly at his age any team looking to rebuild doesn't have a whole lot to gain by nabbing him either. He's a guy who'll always have a job but will never win a championship because he's the antithesis of a guy who "gets you over the top". He's the guy who instant turns ANY offense into an average one. If it's a crappy offense, he'll elevate them to average all by himself. If it's a great offense, he'll regress them to average all by himself.
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