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2014-06-16 09:03:45 AM  
What is this, that stands before me?
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2014-06-16 09:24:29 AM  
It sounds like it's disturbing the priest.
 
2014-06-16 09:26:07 AM  

vpb: It sounds like it's disturbing the priest.


I saw it, I saw it with my own two eyes.

/You gotta believe me.
 
2014-06-16 09:32:02 AM  
1.bp.blogspot.com
Scowls at your shenanigans.
 
2014-06-16 09:36:02 AM  
I've seen sabbath toilet paper for sale.  You're not allowed to tear anything I guess, so they are individual sheets.
 
2014-06-16 09:42:10 AM  
pool.theinfosphere.org

Rab-Bot approved!
 
2014-06-16 09:43:32 AM  

nekom: I've seen sabbath toilet paper for sale.  You're not allowed to tear anything I guess, so they are individual sheets.


Do they sell "Sabbath Bloody Sabbath" maxi-pads?
 
2014-06-16 09:47:00 AM  
"dissimulate one's own solipsistic dimension"

Alright. I think you need to step away from grad school, dude.
 
2014-06-16 10:12:58 AM  
I thought they employed a  Sabbath Boys to do the odds and ends.
The Jewish folks just wonder out loud and the Sabbath Boy does it.
" I wonder if the Yankees are playing today on channel nine?'
Sabbath boy turns on tv to channel nine.
 
2014-06-16 10:18:07 AM  
"It does so for religious reasons, since many observant Jews avoid pressing electric buttons on Shabbat."

I always wonder about these sorts of loopholes... "hmm, god says not to operate any mechanical equipment on the Sabbath, so I'll program the equipment to do the work for me on that day so as not to inconvenience myself". You've read up on this God right? The one who wiped out almost all of humanity? Tortured his most devout follower to prove a point to Satan? The one who forced the Egyptians to not let the Hebrews leave so he could inflict several rounds of extra suffering on them? The one who killed a bunch of his followers for making a golden calf technically before he gave them the law telling them not to?, Do you really think He is up there thinking "welp! this guy's sure got me with this loophole that technically meets the letter of the law, if not the spirit, guess I've got to let him off the hook for this one"?

"Several codes of etiquette and patterns of behavior have emerged amongst the non-kosher-keeping inhabitants of the building. One option is simply to dissimulate one's own solipsistic dimension, [...]. Another is to read the fliers near the elevator in great detail[...]. A third option[...] A repressed sigh finally explodes into the thick and exasperated silence, provoking a shared eye-roll which then communicates itself to the group as a steady current of gestures spanning the resigned shrug to the hostile backhand-flick. "

You sound fat, or mobility impaired. If it's the former take the farking stairs, you only live on the 6th floor and the exercise would do you some good.
 
2014-06-16 10:23:27 AM  
"My apartment may only be on the sixth floor "

"...must wait till the next secular elevator arrives, which may be another five minutes (an eternity, of course, in New York time). "

Just walk up the f*cking stairs like you say most of the observant Jews in the building do anyway. How long would it take you to ascend six flights? Unless you're a one-legged life-long smoker its got to take you less than half that time.
 
2014-06-16 10:28:58 AM  

Target Builder: "It does so for religious reasons, since many observant Jews avoid pressing electric buttons on Shabbat."

I always wonder about these sorts of loopholes... "hmm, god says not to operate any mechanical equipment on the Sabbath, so I'll program the equipment to do the work for me on that day so as not to inconvenience myself". You've read up on this God right? The one who wiped out almost all of humanity? Tortured his most devout follower to prove a point to Satan? The one who forced the Egyptians to not let the Hebrews leave so he could inflict several rounds of extra suffering on them? The one who killed a bunch of his followers for making a golden calf technically before he gave them the law telling them not to?, Do you really think He is up there thinking "welp! this guy's sure got me with this loophole that technically meets the letter of the law, if not the spirit, guess I've got to let him off the hook for this one"?

"Several codes of etiquette and patterns of behavior have emerged amongst the non-kosher-keeping inhabitants of the building. One option is simply to dissimulate one's own solipsistic dimension, [...]. Another is to read the fliers near the elevator in great detail[...]. A third option[...] A repressed sigh finally explodes into the thick and exasperated silence, provoking a shared eye-roll which then communicates itself to the group as a steady current of gestures spanning the resigned shrug to the hostile backhand-flick. "

You sound fat, or mobility impaired. If it's the former take the farking stairs, you only live on the 6th floor and the exercise would do you some good.


I'm pretty sure the rabbis who interpret the rules have a good lawyer on call.
/ducks
 
2014-06-16 10:29:14 AM  

cig-mkr: I thought they employed a  Sabbath Boys to do the odds and ends.
The Jewish folks just wonder out loud and the Sabbath Boy does it.
" I wonder if the Yankees are playing today on channel nine?'
Sabbath boy turns on tv to channel nine.


Fark that.  Employing someone to do tasks that you find morally objectionable is just sick.  It's the sort of thing that rich people do.  Of course, this whole "do no work on the Sabbath" has been taken to it's most absurd conclusion anyway.  If it's so important, just sit in bed reading scripture all day.  Don't get up to eat or use the bathroom.  Just shiat yourself and clean it up the next day.
 
2014-06-16 10:29:38 AM  
Does the wizard walk by?
 
2014-06-16 10:31:13 AM  

Target Builder: "It does so for religious reasons, since many observant Jews avoid pressing electric buttons on Shabbat."

I always wonder about these sorts of loopholes... "hmm, god says not to operate any mechanical equipment on the Sabbath, so I'll program the equipment to do the work for me on that day so as not to inconvenience myself". You've read up on this God right? The one who wiped out almost all of humanity? Tortured his most devout follower to prove a point to Satan? The one who forced the Egyptians to not let the Hebrews leave so he could inflict several rounds of extra suffering on them? The one who killed a bunch of his followers for making a golden calf technically before he gave them the law telling them not to?, Do you really think He is up there thinking "welp! this guy's sure got me with this loophole that technically meets the letter of the law, if not the spirit, guess I've got to let him off the hook for this one"?


They're not afraid of God, they're just adhering to the elitist rules of their culture to be unique. It's just a show of solidarity and exclusion to the inconvenience of anyone outside their faith. If they were serious about not using mechanical equipment on the sabbath, they'd use the stairs.
 
2014-06-16 10:31:52 AM  
Religion generates dumb ideas, incidentally force those ideas on people who have no interest.  Sometimes purposefully force those ideas on others too.  I mean, it's not like they're trying to hurt anyone, but if you start from crazy, getting to sane conclusions is harder, not easier.
 
2014-06-16 10:34:03 AM  

cig-mkr: I thought they employed a  Sabbath Boys to do the odds and ends.
The Jewish folks just wonder out loud and the Sabbath Boy does it.
" I wonder if the Yankees are playing today on channel nine?'
Sabbath boy turns on tv to channel nine.


I was having this discussion with a couple of non-observant Jewish friends this weekend. The phrase is "Sabbath goy".
 
2014-06-16 10:35:08 AM  
Do the stairs enter "Sabbath mode," too?
 
2014-06-16 10:36:02 AM  

nekom: I've seen sabbath toilet paper for sale.  You're not allowed to tear anything I guess, so they are individual sheets.


Which is silly - I've heard lots of rather Haredi types insist that tearing TP is fine, since it's to clean up after oneself (I think they recommend an "alternate" means of supplying TP - like a tissue box, which needs no tearing - but not mandatory). You run up against the twin "saving graces" of "potentially causing harm to others" (a HUGE no-no; you're allowed to transgress anything but murder, illicit sex and idolatry to avoid causing harm, depending on circumstances) and "kavod habriyot" (showing respect to living things - literally "showing respect to that which was created" - which I think usually just means "people").

Theoretically, you wouldn't be permitted to use a band-aid on the Sabbath, as the act of taking the plastic covering "completes" the product (as I understand, they make one gigantic sheet of band-aids, then cut it down to individual sizes. The item itself never exists without the plastic strips until you remove them, "completing" the product), which is forbidden on the Sabbath. However, the (even minor) risk of infection overrides the prohibition on completing a product.

// follow the rules Vol.4 to prevent falling Into the Void, you Paranoid Master of Reality...
 
2014-06-16 10:44:46 AM  
I am Iron Lift Man!

/"Lift" being British for elevator and Ozzy is British so it works.
 
2014-06-16 10:52:21 AM  

Dr Dreidel: nekom: I've seen sabbath toilet paper for sale.  You're not allowed to tear anything I guess, so they are individual sheets.

Which is silly - I've heard lots of rather Haredi types insist that tearing TP is fine, since it's to clean up after oneself (I think they recommend an "alternate" means of supplying TP - like a tissue box, which needs no tearing - but not mandatory). You run up against the twin "saving graces" of "potentially causing harm to others" (a HUGE no-no; you're allowed to transgress anything but murder, illicit sex and idolatry to avoid causing harm, depending on circumstances) and "kavod habriyot" (showing respect to living things - literally "showing respect to that which was created" - which I think usually just means "people").

Theoretically, you wouldn't be permitted to use a band-aid on the Sabbath, as the act of taking the plastic covering "completes" the product (as I understand, they make one gigantic sheet of band-aids, then cut it down to individual sizes. The item itself never exists without the plastic strips until you remove them, "completing" the product), which is forbidden on the Sabbath. However, the (even minor) risk of infection overrides the prohibition on completing a product.

// follow the rules Vol.4 to prevent falling Into the Void, you Paranoid Master of Reality...


I guess that all goes on how you interpret it, and I would guess every Rabbi has their own opinions.  But yes, preservation of life overrides almost all other laws.  You aren't allowed to put out a fire on the sabbath, even if it results in great property loss.  Your office is on fire?  Too bad.  But if there is someone in there, not only are you allowed, you are required to put the fire out.
 
2014-06-16 10:56:16 AM  
smoking and tripping is all that you do...
 
2014-06-16 10:58:45 AM  

nekom: I guess that all goes on how you interpret it, and I would guess every Rabbi has their own opinions.


You ain't just whistling Hava Nagila, bub.

// "2 Jews, 3 opinions" may as well be from the Talmud
 
2014-06-16 11:05:45 AM  
The fact that this is even a thing proves that our species isn't nearly as smart as it thinks it is.

Both because there are people stupid enough to think it needs to be a thing and because there are people who DON'T think that but would subject themselves to it anyway.
 
2014-06-16 11:06:16 AM  

Dr Dreidel: You ain't just whistling Hava Nagila, bub.


Side note:  "I'm The Man" by Anthrax is the best thrash metal/rap version of "Hava Nagila" *EVAR*!
 
2014-06-16 11:07:27 AM  

skozlaw: The fact that this is even a thing proves that our species isn't nearly as smart as it thinks it is.


i.chzbgr.com
 
2014-06-16 11:08:52 AM  

Big_Fat_Liar: tripping


Huh. I always thought it was 'drinking,' but that makes sense.
 
2014-06-16 11:08:59 AM  

Trocadero: Target Builder: "It does so for religious reasons, since many observant Jews avoid pressing electric buttons on Shabbat."

I always wonder about these sorts of loopholes... "hmm, god says not to operate any mechanical equipment on the Sabbath, so I'll program the equipment to do the work for me on that day so as not to inconvenience myself". You've read up on this God right? The one who wiped out almost all of humanity? Tortured his most devout follower to prove a point to Satan? The one who forced the Egyptians to not let the Hebrews leave so he could inflict several rounds of extra suffering on them? The one who killed a bunch of his followers for making a golden calf technically before he gave them the law telling them not to?, Do you really think He is up there thinking "welp! this guy's sure got me with this loophole that technically meets the letter of the law, if not the spirit, guess I've got to let him off the hook for this one"?

"Several codes of etiquette and patterns of behavior have emerged amongst the non-kosher-keeping inhabitants of the building. One option is simply to dissimulate one's own solipsistic dimension, [...]. Another is to read the fliers near the elevator in great detail[...]. A third option[...] A repressed sigh finally explodes into the thick and exasperated silence, provoking a shared eye-roll which then communicates itself to the group as a steady current of gestures spanning the resigned shrug to the hostile backhand-flick. "

You sound fat, or mobility impaired. If it's the former take the farking stairs, you only live on the 6th floor and the exercise would do you some good.

I'm pretty sure the rabbis who interpret the rules have a good lawyer on call.
/ducks


You're on to something.  When you grow-up and live in a culture where the weekend activites involve intrepereting hundreds of Mitzvahs, reading the Talmud, and arguing about every arcane detail of your faith... becoming a lawyer isn't much of a stretch.
 
2014-06-16 11:10:21 AM  

dittybopper: Dr Dreidel: You ain't just whistling Hava Nagila, bub.

Side note:  "I'm The Man" by Anthrax is the best thrash metal/rap version of "Hava Nagila" *EVAR*!


A-farking-men, and anyone who disagrees can suck our...sexual organ located in the lower abdominal area.

Though if you've never heard Dick Dale's Hava Nagila, you're missing out (for you uninformed, he's the King of the Surf Guitar, the guy responsible for "Misrlou" from Pulp Fiction, and a damn fine seducer of the six-stringed succubus).
 
2014-06-16 11:14:47 AM  

nekom: preservation of life overrides almost all other laws. You aren't allowed to put out a fire on the sabbath, even if it results in great property loss. Your office is on fire? Too bad. But if there is someone in there, not only are you allowed, you are required to put the fire out.


This is farking ridiculous. Let your livelihood burn to the ground but you can put on a bandaid for a small cut? So after the fire if you become destitute and end up dying in the street some time in the future from the AIDS you contracted after selling your ass for money so you could feed your kids, and if the date of your death happens to fall on a Saturday would it have been ok to put that fire out after all? Oh well!
 
2014-06-16 11:16:17 AM  

Fafai: This is farking ridiculous.


If it were based on reason it wouldn't be religious doctrine, now would it?
 
2014-06-16 11:17:52 AM  

nekom: You aren't allowed to put out a fire on the sabbath, even if it results in great property loss.  Your office is on fire?  Too bad


What's the penalty for breaking this one? Going by other loopholes and workarounds I'd half expect them to have a Sabbath Goy on hand at the fire department to yell out "I think there might be someone in there still".
 
2014-06-16 11:21:08 AM  

Target Builder: nekom: You aren't allowed to put out a fire on the sabbath, even if it results in great property loss.  Your office is on fire?  Too bad

What's the penalty for breaking this one? Going by other loopholes and workarounds I'd half expect them to have a Sabbath Goy on hand at the fire department to yell out "I think there might be someone in there still".


*puts finger one inch from god* I'm not touching you, god! Nyah nyah!
 
2014-06-16 11:29:01 AM  

Target Builder: nekom: You aren't allowed to put out a fire on the sabbath, even if it results in great property loss.  Your office is on fire?  Too bad

What's the penalty for breaking this one? Going by other loopholes and workarounds I'd half expect them to have a Sabbath Goy on hand at the fire department to yell out "I think there might be someone in there still".


It'd be, on its face, no different from any other Sabbath violation. If the accused was warned by two witnesses together that putting out this fire was a violation subject to a judicial punishment of death by stoning, and the accused immediately responded "I know, and I don't care" (and ALL of those conditions must be met to carry out a capital sentence), the punishment is death by stoning (they push you off a high platform onto your head, then if you're still alive they roll a boulder on top of you, then if you're still alive they pelt you with large rocks until you're not).

However, given that Batei Din (Jewish courts) were so ridiculously lenient in carrying out capital sentences - the Talmud says any court that carried out more than one in a generation (70 years) was "bloody" - the fact that the accused was about to lose their whole livelihood is surely a mitigating factor (if indeed all those conditions above were met). They might just order him to bring a sin-offering (a ram; like paying a fine) or take some lashes (IIRC, a maximum of 9 in any one session) in the public square.

// the idea is that there are more important things than...well, things
// and as nekom alluded to, if there is even speculation that a single person's health is at risk from the fire, you're OBLIGATED to (help) put it out/rescue that person
 
2014-06-16 11:29:15 AM  
Fafai:
This is farking ridiculous. Let your livelihood burn to the ground but you can put on a bandaid for a small cut? So after the fire if you become destitute and end up dying in the street some time in the future from the AIDS you contracted after selling your ass for money so you could feed your kids, and if the date of your death happens to fall on a Saturday would it have been ok to put that fire out after all? Oh well!

Hey I didn't make any of it up nor do I follow it.  Just my understanding that when life is at stake the rules change.  If someone held a gun to someone's head and told you eat bacon he dies, not only are you allowed to eat the bacon, you are absolutely required to.  Yeah, it does have a lot of vagueness to it and could be interpreted in any number of ways.
 
2014-06-16 11:29:50 AM  
Obeying the letter but not the spirit of a law can lead to a morality in which legalism is overriding.

Dr Dreidel: Theoretically, you wouldn't be permitted to use a band-aid on the Sabbath, as the act of taking the plastic covering "completes" the product (as I understand, they make one gigantic sheet of band-aids, then cut it down to individual sizes. The item itself never exists without the plastic strips until you remove them, "completing" the product), which is forbidden on the Sabbath. However, the (even minor) risk of infection overrides the prohibition on completing a product.


Kosher Jews are allowed to eat pork if the only alternative is starvation. Likewise they can consume blood for health reasons (recieve a blood transfusion). They are more flexible than Jehovah's Witnesses who are absolute about about drinking blood.
 
2014-06-16 11:30:02 AM  

nekom: Fafai:
This is farking ridiculous. Let your livelihood burn to the ground but you can put on a bandaid for a small cut? So after the fire if you become destitute and end up dying in the street some time in the future from the AIDS you contracted after selling your ass for money so you could feed your kids, and if the date of your death happens to fall on a Saturday would it have been ok to put that fire out after all? Oh well!

Hey I didn't make any of it up nor do I follow it.  Just my understanding that when life is at stake the rules change.  If someone held a gun to someone's head and told you eat bacon OR he dies, not only are you allowed to eat the bacon, you are absolutely required to.  Yeah, it does have a lot of vagueness to it and could be interpreted in any number of ways.

 
2014-06-16 11:31:23 AM  
HairBolus:
Kosher Jews are allowed to eat pork if the only alternative is starvation. Likewise they can consume blood for health reasons (recieve a blood transfusion). They are more flexible than Jehovah's Witnesses who are absolute about about drinking blood.

Funny, that.  The koshering process is designed to remove as much blood as is humanly possible (repeated washing, salting, soaking) yet the Jews will accept life saving medicine.  The JW's refuse blood transfusion, yet don't even TRY to get blood out of the meat, they'll think nothing of having a rare steak.  Religions are bizarre.
 
2014-06-16 11:35:27 AM  
Because every law, even the supposedly most important ones, can have loophole.
 
2014-06-16 11:38:40 AM  

Fafai: nekom: preservation of life overrides almost all other laws. You aren't allowed to put out a fire on the sabbath, even if it results in great property loss. Your office is on fire? Too bad. But if there is someone in there, not only are you allowed, you are required to put the fire out.

This is farking ridiculous. Let your livelihood burn to the ground but you can put on a bandaid for a small cut? So after the fire if you become destitute and end up dying in the street some time in the future from the AIDS you contracted after selling your ass for money so you could feed your kids, and if the date of your death happens to fall on a Saturday would it have been ok to put that fire out after all? Oh well!


"And ye shall keep these laws that I have set before you that you might live by them" (Lev. 18:5)

You're under no obligation to follow the law into certain death. If following certain laws in certain situations means subjecting yourself to starvation and death, not following them is, ironically, following them. It's one of the ways Judaism "writes around" certain situations, recognizing that real life often lives in the spaces between rules.

If you could know beforehand with certainty that letting your warehouse (which is near no other buildings, in the middle of nowhere - no chance of anyone else being at risk) burn to cinders means a life of homelessness, AIDS, prostitution, and early death, then put out that fire, even if you have to leave Yom Kippur services to do it. (CSB: I once attended High Holiday services with someone who wore his EMT beeper, and left in the middle of services to respond to a call.)

// I'd suggest that a fire at a research institution - let's say the American Cancer Society's main research campus (I know they don't actually have one) - DOES get put out, simply because of the high probability that that research WILL save or extend someone's life
 
2014-06-16 11:41:15 AM  

nekom: Hey I didn't make any of it up nor do I follow it.


Oh I wasn't calling you ridiculous. No harm no foul.
 
2014-06-16 11:46:27 AM  
Probably a quarter of the people living in my building are Shomer Shabbos, but they're sensible enough to take the stairs.

However, on Shabbos they have to wait for someone to open the door so they can follow them in or out of the building.  We have two sets of entrance doors - one from the street that leads into an atrium where the mailboxes and trash room entrance are, and one from this atrium which leads to the elevator, stairs, and access to the cellar.  Both of them have electromgnetic locks and computer keypads, and the overhead lights are on a timer so they'll go out if you don't press the button to reset the clock.  Which means that nearly every weekend I run into one of my Jewish neighbors who's gotten him/herself stuck in the atrium and can't let themselves into the building.

Now, if it were me, I'd move to a building that didn't have electric locks on the doors, but whatever.
 
2014-06-16 11:47:32 AM  

Dr Dreidel: If you could know beforehand with certainty


Are you seriously trying to tell me this isn't ridiculous? "I didn't know with 100% certainty those people were in there. I did the right thing by not pushing the buttons for 911 on my phone on a Saturday."
 
2014-06-16 11:49:17 AM  
Robo Beat: Which means that nearly every weekend I run into one of my Jewish neighbors who's gotten him/herself stuck in the atrium and can't let themselves into the building.

This is some funny caveman shiat right here. "WIIILLL-MAAAAA!"
 
2014-06-16 11:57:15 AM  

Fafai: Robo Beat: Which means that nearly every weekend I run into one of my Jewish neighbors who's gotten him/herself stuck in the atrium and can't let themselves into the building.

This is some funny caveman shiat right here. "WIIILLL-MAAAAA!"


It's actually worse than that - they can't even shout for someone to let them in/out, because asking someone else to do something that breaks Sabbath on your behalf is equivalent to doing if yourself.  It would seem their only option is to wait there in the dark (as I said, the lights are on a timer), hope one of the Goyische neighbors comes along, wait for him to go in, and grab the door before it latches again.
 
2014-06-16 11:58:34 AM  

Fafai: Dr Dreidel: If you could know beforehand with certainty

Are you seriously trying to tell me this isn't ridiculous? "I didn't know with 100% certainty those people were in there. I did the right thing by not pushing the buttons for 911 on my phone on a Saturday."


What? I get that there's a lot of moving parts here. I'm trying to lay it out as best I can without getting too esoteric.

If you even SUSPECT there are people inside, you may violate everything except rules against murder, illicit sex, and idolatry to save them. (My dad drove my mom to a hospital on a Saturday once because he SUSPECTED she might be having a serious problem. Speculation - even sort-of wild speculation - is a reliable saving throw.)
If you KNOW FOR CERTAIN there are no people inside, sorry - watch it burn.

Now, after the fact, when the trial starts, if two witnesses say they warned the accused against putting out the fire on Sabbath (yadda yadda), the accused can offer "emotional distress" as a defense, or "Well, this being my only source of income in this economically-distressed area, I'd probably have had to turn to prostitution to make ends meet" (ed. note: this is "illicit sex", meaning no one should allow this to happen, and courts should factor this into their decision) or something similar.

// the certainty was about knowing the consequences of letting the warehouse burn, not the certainty of knowing whether someone was inside
 
2014-06-16 12:02:19 PM  
So, everyone else is inconvenienced because others think that God frowns on pushing elevator buttons on the Sabbath?
 
2014-06-16 12:06:24 PM  

Dr Dreidel: I've heard lots of rather Haredi types insist that tearing TP is fine


It has been way too long since I went to Torah study, but I think tearing the TP is considered work since you are taking an entire roll and creating useful pieces from it. The one "rule" I really remember is the one that states you can't pour your dirty bowl of water out your window on the Sabbath because you may germinate some seeds.
 
2014-06-16 12:13:16 PM  

Robo Beat: Fafai: Robo Beat: Which means that nearly every weekend I run into one of my Jewish neighbors who's gotten him/herself stuck in the atrium and can't let themselves into the building.

This is some funny caveman shiat right here. "WIIILLL-MAAAAA!"

It's actually worse than that - they can't even shout for someone to let them in/out, because asking someone else to do something that breaks Sabbath on your behalf is equivalent to doing if yourself.  It would seem their only option is to wait there in the dark (as I said, the lights are on a timer), hope one of the Goyische neighbors comes along, wait for him to go in, and grab the door before it latches again.


A lot of these security doors have anti-passback feature or at least there's usually a building policy not to open the door for others or let them 'piggyback' in behind you. I would totally tease them saying "sorry ladies, it's building policy, I can't let you in" (before letting them in, of course--I'm not that much of a dick).

Dr Dreidel: the certainty was about knowing the consequences of letting the warehouse burn, not the certainty of knowing whether someone was inside


Ok, it's not ridiculous at all :\

All I'm saying is I don't want someone sitting there weighing how certain they are in their head about something while a building burns. There's a fire, you call the fire dept. Pretty elementary. Certainty in someone's mind does not equal truth. People who believe they are certain of things (for example, certain that no-ones inside a building) can be wrong.
 
2014-06-16 12:21:10 PM  
GD is dead...
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