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2014-06-16 01:09:16 AM
Pink slime? Who ya' gonna call?
 
2014-06-16 01:50:12 AM
linked article sucks......makes you answer a survey question before you can read the article. That's stupid.
 
2014-06-16 01:58:48 AM

Barnacles!: linked article sucks......makes you answer a survey question before you can read the article. That's stupid.


I've seen that popping up more and more, but I don't mind it, at least compared to paywalls or those incredibly annoying popups that are designed to load several seconds after you've started to read the article.

As far as this stuff goes, is it any worse than what goes into hot dogs?
 
2014-06-16 02:20:24 AM
On one hand, I am of the opinion that if people's standards are so low they'd buy this product, then let them.

On the other hand, how is this even legal?  It doesn't sound very safe (treated with ammonia).

I would be fine with this being sold to animals but I am not convinced it's safe for human consumption.
 
2014-06-16 03:05:43 AM
I have no objection to eating this.
 
2014-06-16 03:16:35 AM
Whine whine whine. It's not like you're forced to eat stuff like this, and it's easy to avoid.

Also, it's still protein. This has been blown waaaaay far our of proportion.
 
2014-06-16 03:17:01 AM
www.shipbrook.net
 
2014-06-16 03:26:03 AM
i.imgur.com
 
2014-06-16 03:30:53 AM
I saw your mother's pink slime last night

/That's what she said
 
2014-06-16 03:32:08 AM

TuteTibiImperes: Barnacles!: linked article sucks......makes you answer a survey question before you can read the article. That's stupid.

I've seen that popping up more and more, but I don't mind it, at least compared to paywalls or those incredibly annoying popups that are designed to load several seconds after you've started to read the article.


Yeah, I just pick answers at random. For me the satisfaction of farking with their survey is worth a couple mouse clicks.
 
2014-06-16 03:32:30 AM
Is there any scientific evidence that beef trimmings treated with ammonia or citric acid are dangerous, or at least more dangerous than regular ground beef?  I remember a lot of kvetching about the stuff, but not a whole lot of actual details.
 
2014-06-16 03:34:14 AM
Other than the possible issue with ammonia, it's basically just bland sausage filler, right?
 
2014-06-16 03:37:50 AM

Barnacles!: linked article sucks......makes you answer a survey question before you can read the article. That's stupid.


Yeah, I've started just reporting these links to the admins. Dunno if it will help, but it doesn't hurt, since they swap out so many of the links anyways.
 
2014-06-16 03:45:54 AM
There's more and more people on this planet.  You need to go to extremes to feed them.   It's only going to get worse.  Before I die, I expect to be fed via a goop of synthetic bacteria treated withsupplements.

Mmmm.  Matrix food nutrition.
 
2014-06-16 03:47:44 AM

Barnacles!: linked article sucks......makes you answer a survey question before you can read the article. That's stupid.


Less offensive than a video ad. I could write a whole rant about companies asking you to take a survey on every receipt, since they basically advertise at you for five minutes. The two question survey is a clever way to make people pay attention to a brief ad, makes an impression without being loud. Banners have been worn out of awareness.
 
2014-06-16 03:50:46 AM
Be honest. This is what they make cotton candy out of, isn't it?
 
2014-06-16 04:07:07 AM
Better for you than eating bugs.

/ever tried to feed antibiotics to a mealworm?
//ever tried to feed 400 million people without treating the feedstock with antibiotics?
///dismantle the green revolution at your peril
 
2014-06-16 04:14:19 AM

Ambivalence: On one hand, I am of the opinion that if people's standards are so low they'd buy this product, then let them.

On the other hand, how is this even legal?  It doesn't sound very safe (treated with ammonia).

I would be fine with this being sold to animals but I am not convinced it's safe for human consumption.


I'm pretty sure regular ground beef is also treated with ammonia. I have a feeling the outrage was only because people saw what their food looked like. Kinda like hot dogs.

Can someone correct me if necessary?
 
2014-06-16 04:15:33 AM

State_College_Arsonist: Is there any scientific evidence that beef trimmings treated with ammonia or citric acid are dangerous, or at least more dangerous than regular ground beef?  I remember a lot of kvetching about the stuff, but not a whole lot of actual details.


Maybe not. I just don't like eating somebody else's garbage.
 
2014-06-16 04:16:16 AM

Eps05: Ambivalence: On one hand, I am of the opinion that if people's standards are so low they'd buy this product, then let them.

On the other hand, how is this even legal?  It doesn't sound very safe (treated with ammonia).

I would be fine with this being sold to animals but I am not convinced it's safe for human consumption.

I'm pretty sure regular ground beef is also treated with ammonia. I have a feeling the outrage was only because people saw what their food looked like. Kinda like hot dogs.

Can someone correct me if necessary?


My butcher would like to correct you.
 
2014-06-16 04:23:01 AM
Still don't understand the fuss.  The ammonia is used to kill bacteria.   If you don't like it don't eat it, but I still don't understand why everyone has their panties in a bind over this.   If you look at how any meat is processed you'll probably get sick to your stomach.  This is no different.
 
2014-06-16 04:27:35 AM

CigaretteSmokingMan: My butcher would like to correct you.


This stuff ain't for folks with a butcher.  It's sold to people who routinely have to decide between groceries, heart medication, and clothes for the kids.
 
2014-06-16 04:27:43 AM

Ambivalence: On one hand, I am of the opinion that if people's standards are so low they'd buy this product, then let them.

On the other hand, how is this even legal?  It doesn't sound very safe (treated with ammonia).

I would be fine with this being sold to animals but I am not convinced it's safe for human consumption.


Food safety isn't much of a priority in the US:


CDC estimates that each year roughly 1 in 6 Americans (or 48 million people) get sick, 128,000 are hospitalized, and 3,000 die of foodborne diseases.

During 2008 in the EU 45,000 people were sickened and 32 people died from foodborne diseases.

The FDA appears to have been commandeered by the very businesses it is supposed to regulate in a textbook example of regulatory capture. For example, poultry inspections in the US look like this:

i.imgur.com

That's three chickens per second or more than 86,000 chickens every day per "inspector" who is really just an employee of the poultry producer.
 
2014-06-16 04:28:56 AM

fusillade762: TuteTibiImperes: Barnacles!: linked article sucks......makes you answer a survey question before you can read the article. That's stupid.

I've seen that popping up more and more, but I don't mind it, at least compared to paywalls or those incredibly annoying popups that are designed to load several seconds after you've started to read the article.

Yeah, I just pick answers at random. For me the satisfaction of farking with their survey is worth a couple mouse clicks.


Now I want to find more articles with this type of thing.  Brilliant idea, especially when you can write your own answer instead of pick from a list.  According to the results they're going to get from this, at least one person thinks first and foremost of The Condom Shack when they're considering home improvements.
 
2014-06-16 05:03:20 AM
I'm not bothered. As I understand, it's perfectly safe to eat. Besides, I've eaten and enjoyed food that was at least as unnerving if you think too much about what went into it.


i734.photobucket.com
Also, best of luck to the United States in their match against Ghana.
 
2014-06-16 05:06:34 AM
I usually avoid eating mammals, or products from mammals for many reasons though I'm not a militant about it There being kinda nasty puree meat smoothie paste stuff may have been a tiny cause but never deterred me. Neither did the price but pork and especially beef prices are looney now. Even just 3-4 years ago I could pick up a pound of ground beef for 99 cents a pound. Now it's crazy.

fm.cnbc.com

blogs.r.ftdata.co.uk

Which is making 2014 the most profitable year ever for chicken producers, because people are just skipping the burgers and chops. And because of pink slime articles.
 
2014-06-16 05:11:02 AM

Tetrazphere: I usually avoid eating mammals, or products from mammals for many reasons though I'm not a militant about it There being kinda nasty puree meat smoothie paste stuff may have been a tiny cause but never deterred me. Neither did the price but pork and especially beef prices are looney now. Even just 3-4 years ago I could pick up a pound of ground beef for 99 cents a pound. Now it's crazy.

[fm.cnbc.com image 530x388]

[blogs.r.ftdata.co.uk image 566x391]

Which is making 2014 the most profitable year ever for chicken producers, because people are just skipping the burgers and chops. And because of pink slime articles.


It takes far far less time to grow a chicken to maturity than it does to grow a pig or a steer.  I think steers are butchered at 2 years of age so beef will be insanely expensive for at least that long to come.
 
2014-06-16 05:13:31 AM

Duane Dibbley: I'm not bothered. As I understand, it's perfectly safe to eat. Besides, I've eaten and enjoyed food that was at least as unnerving if you think too much about what went into it.

Also, best of luck to the United States in their match against Ghana.


I never had a problem with stomaching food, I always thought about times or places where people had no options...  like caveman days or people in survival situations or war zones. I think I was on a couple dates where I had to eat worse.

/thanks for the tip of luck...they're a fast team like Nigeria which was only a friendly, but it was played tough.
 
2014-06-16 05:18:52 AM
When the body burns protein for energy, ammonia is the by-product. I have cirrhosis of the liver and too much ammonia causes hepatic encephalopathy. I don't know if this stuff differs but I have to severely limit my protein intake.

Encephalopathy sucks donkey balls

/csb
 
2014-06-16 05:27:02 AM

Badafuco: When the body burns protein for energy, ammonia is the by-product. I have cirrhosis of the liver and too much ammonia causes hepatic encephalopathy. I don't know if this stuff differs but I have to severely limit my protein intake.

Encephalopathy sucks donkey balls

/csb


Yah that does sound like it sucks.
 
2014-06-16 05:27:17 AM
Thanks for jacking the price of hamburger, farktard!
 
2014-06-16 05:28:59 AM

Cannibalism
Its the only sane solution

 
2014-06-16 05:31:50 AM
1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-06-16 05:45:09 AM
Answer a quick survey question to continue reading this content.

img2.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2014-06-16 05:53:02 AM
It's either this shiat or turn Central America into one giant feed lot. It's not like a majority of Americans will ever be vegetarians.
 
2014-06-16 05:55:50 AM
It was around 45 years ago that 60 Minutes reported on FDA "inspections" of chicken processing, the permitted amount of fecal matter in the chicken (mmm-MMM!) and the sweetheart arrangements with the producers.

This was rather an eye-opener for many innocent citizens who, like yours truly, grew up in the HEY KIDS! QUICK ENERGY! white sugar / Spam / docs smoking ciggies era.

That people still routinely eat meat and do not expect to get severe bacterial infestation of the gastrointestinal tract, heart disease and cancer these 45 years later is truly astonishing.

Disclaimer: Nothing to do with taking chances. I'm no Nanny-Statesman.

On the contrary I've been a Danger-Queer since 1956. I've road-raced a 500 in the Senior TT at the Isle of Man, fiddled with gentlemen where it was a felony offense, confronted Landslide Lyndon over the Vietnam War and got hit by the Feds with a five-and-dime for my trouble, and still smoke a cigar a day. All with an eye to "risk management" and elegant survival through the 21st Century.

Eating meat is disgusting, stupid and ruinous self-abuse. End of sermon.
 
2014-06-16 05:57:24 AM

Ambivalence: On one hand, I am of the opinion that if people's standards are so low they'd buy this product, then let them.

On the other hand, how is this even legal?  It doesn't sound very safe (treated with ammonia).

I would be fine with this being sold to animals but I am not convinced it's safe for human consumption.


Thank you for summing up the whole issue so succinctly.

This is manufactured outrage.  People just didn't like seeing where their food came from.  There were multiple stories that came out documenting the process that showed this was perfectly safe and nutritious.  Add in a little "meat is murder" frenzy and you get this idiocy.

Soybeans are processed with hexane, a neurotoxic industrial solvent.  I'm not hearing any outrage about that though.  For the record, there is likely none to be had but hexane is "scarier" than ammonia is.

Enjoy your soy milk this morning though!
 
2014-06-16 05:59:20 AM

AngryDragon: Enjoy your soy milk this morning though!


Don't presume to know me.  I'm not anti-meat.  And you're right there is probably an image problem, but it's kind of ridiculous what we're doing to our food during processing.
 
2014-06-16 06:05:04 AM
The sudden outrage about pink slime was as reality-based as antivaxxers. It's all based on a gut feeling of "Ew!" despite generations of people having grown up eating chicken nuggets just fine. Fact is, the same amount of meat got several times as expensive when every low-cost manufacturer (mostly fast-food and frozen food) suddenly scrambled to replace it with chicken breast.

It's just protein and little fat, same as other meats but without the fibers. It's chicken's hot dog; while not the most healthy thing ever, it's better than most junk food and isn't going to kill anyone. As far as pink goes, holy fark, what color do you think any meat is before it's cooked? The ammonia is mostly washed out, and you can drink that relatively safely; if you think a tiny bit of ammonia in your food is bad, wait until you see how some of your other food is sterilized...

It still makes me rage a little that a bunch of upper-class twits cost a lot of lower-class folks a moderately healthy cheap meal option.
 
2014-06-16 06:14:06 AM

BigJT: fusillade762: TuteTibiImperes: Barnacles!: linked article sucks......makes you answer a survey question before you can read the article. That's stupid.

I've seen that popping up more and more, but I don't mind it, at least compared to paywalls or those incredibly annoying popups that are designed to load several seconds after you've started to read the article.

Yeah, I just pick answers at random. For me the satisfaction of farking with their survey is worth a couple mouse clicks.

Now I want to find more articles with this type of thing.  Brilliant idea, especially when you can write your own answer instead of pick from a list.  According to the results they're going to get from this, at least one person thinks first and foremost of The Condom Shack when they're considering home improvements.


I'm still using my 415-626-7769 number at Safeway.
 
2014-06-16 06:21:21 AM

Ambivalence: AngryDragon: Enjoy your soy milk this morning though!

Don't presume to know me.  I'm not anti-meat.  And you're right there is probably an image problem, but it's kind of ridiculous what we're doing to our food during processing.


I wasn't making any assumptions about you other than the fact that you have jumped to a conclusion without having any evidence that the conclusion you've drawn is valid.   Experts tend to agree there is nothing wrong with "pink slime" other than bad marketing.  I was using the Soy/Hexane example to show the hypocrisy of many people who chime in on this, especially since soy is everywhere nowadays.
 
2014-06-16 06:23:39 AM

Ambivalence: AngryDragon: Enjoy your soy milk this morning though!

Don't presume to know me.  I'm not anti-meat.  And you're right there is probably an image problem, but it's kind of ridiculous what we're doing to our food during processing.


Yes, killing pathogens - absolutely ridiculous.
 
2014-06-16 06:23:45 AM
Yup, the people raging about it were the people who can't say "I'm going grocery shopping" without pretentiously tacking on "at Whole Foods" at the end. They weren't ever in danger of eating this stuff.
 
2014-06-16 06:57:43 AM
1) Ammonia is rather volatile.
2) Your kidneys make ammonia, so there are specific metabolic pathways whose only function is to remove excess ammonia from your body.
3) The toxicity threshold for chronic exposure is 50 times the point at which you can smell it. If your eyes aren't watering from the ammonia, it's safe.

/OMG CHEMICALS!
 
2014-06-16 06:58:02 AM

Vivaldi: Still don't understand the fuss.  The ammonia is used to kill bacteria.   If you don't like it don't eat it, but I still don't understand why everyone has their panties in a bind over this.   If you look at how any meat is processed you'll probably get sick to your stomach.  This is no different.


1) Products which contain it aren't labeled as such (it's still considered "100% beef" under current standards)

2) we keep having to recall vast quantities of frozen beef patties which contain it, do to contamination.
 
2014-06-16 06:59:50 AM

foxyshadis: The sudden outrage about pink slime was as reality-based as antivaxxers. It's all based on a gut feeling of "Ew!" despite generations of people having grown up eating chicken nuggets just fine. Fact is, the same amount of meat got several times as expensive when every low-cost manufacturer (mostly fast-food and frozen food) suddenly scrambled to replace it with chicken breast.


Um... I'm not entirely sure you're clear on what animals are being discussed... Unless you think chicken nuggets and breasts are made of ground beef...
 
2014-06-16 07:03:41 AM
Dwight_Yeast:

1) Products which contain it aren't labeled as such (it's still considered "100% beef" under current standards)

So are products that contain salmonella.

2) we keep having to recall vast quantities of frozen beef patties which contain it, do to contamination.

Not as vast as those recalled due to containing salmonella.
 
2014-06-16 07:05:05 AM

foxyshadis: As far as pink goes, holy fark, what color do you think any meat is before it's cooked?


Red

foodpoisoningbulletin.com

Not pink

localtvwiti.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-06-16 07:07:48 AM

TuteTibiImperes: Barnacles!: linked article sucks......makes you answer a survey question before you can read the article. That's stupid.

I've seen that popping up more and more, but I don't mind it, at least compared to paywalls or those incredibly annoying popups that are designed to load several seconds after you've started to read the article.

As far as this stuff goes, is it any worse than what goes into hot dogs?


Agree with both of these.

Both of our local papers (Reno Gazette-Journal and the Nevada Appeal) went to paywalls for current-run articles, not just for older archived stuff but for literally everything.  The result?  Site traffic is down hugely, while subscriptions are not up in the slightest.  Most people just read news from one of the three local TV stations that do local news, which barring certain in-depth articles have just as good a coverage as the papers ever did.  It's a suicidal business model and it's going to slowly kill these papers.

As far as pink slime, it's meat, it's sterile, and it has nothing in it that will harm a human (beyond what you would find in any other kind of meat).  All this freaking out because "it has ammonia in it".  After the sterilization process maybe .0001% of the content is ammonia, and that's ignoring the part where ammonia tends to either evaporate or break down if not in a sealed container, or ignoring the other part where the process of cooking said meat will either break down or remove that ammonia.  This is of course assuming they use ammonia and not citric acid, which if people freak out over that then either they're truly braindead or they have some awful citrus allergy.

Atop all that, I really get irritated at how people are treating this like it's a shocking concept that processed food has strange crap in it.  You think that ammonia is scary?  Why don't you go look at the ingredients on some children's snack foods sometime.  Find the biggest, scariest looking chemical names in there and figure out what percentage of the food those are, then compare that to how much ammonia is in the pink slime.  Then, to sink the point home, look up the LD50 on those scary-ass chemicals and compare that to the LD50 of ammonia.  I'm going to guess that, based on the LD50 and the concentrations used, children's snacks are eleventy bajillion times more dangerous than pink slime.  And yet we freak out about the meat.
 
2014-06-16 07:10:44 AM

RobSeace: foxyshadis: The sudden outrage about pink slime was as reality-based as antivaxxers. It's all based on a gut feeling of "Ew!" despite generations of people having grown up eating chicken nuggets just fine. Fact is, the same amount of meat got several times as expensive when every low-cost manufacturer (mostly fast-food and frozen food) suddenly scrambled to replace it with chicken breast.

Um... I'm not entirely sure you're clear on what animals are being discussed... Unless you think chicken nuggets and breasts are made of ground beef...


"Mechanically Separated Chicken" was the original pink slime that set off the whole frenzy. This is about beef, but I was talking about the controversy two years ago.
 
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