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2014-06-16 04:39:17 AM  
What the fark was she hoarding? Anvils?
 
2014-06-16 05:16:16 AM  

bearded clamorer: What the fark was she hoarding? Anvils?


Hoarding can actually weaken the structural integrity of a house.  Not just the weight but the corrosive effect of decomposing trash, especially if human or animal waste was part of the mix (as is sometimes the case).
 
2014-06-16 05:18:38 AM  
Not to mention clutter and trash can hide leaks in the plumbing which can cause floor joists to rot over time.
 
2014-06-16 06:24:07 AM  
If it requires a backhoe to dig you out of your hoarder's sanctuary, you have won the title of top hoarder of all time.
 
2014-06-16 06:25:59 AM  
Not to mention your average house floor is only built to handle ~40 psf of dead load. Not hard to go over that if you are hoarding stacks of newspapers.
 
2014-06-16 06:31:23 AM  
Seems to me this is like the ultimate finale for a hoarder.
 
2014-06-16 06:35:05 AM  

SpdrJay: Seems to me this is like the ultimate finale for a hoarder.


Well, after you light that whole load up, cause it'd be easier to sweep up the ashes than clean up all that BS.
 
2014-06-16 06:38:47 AM  
Oblig:

www.theprospect.net
 
2014-06-16 06:41:51 AM  
Somebody offered to remove everything for free, but she refused. She said losing the stuff would crush her.
 
2014-06-16 06:44:57 AM  
First world problems.
 
2014-06-16 06:47:52 AM  
i112.photobucket.com
 
2014-06-16 06:54:10 AM  
Where I work, we see a high turnover rate of employees (truck drivers) and we have one car in the parking lot that has been here over 5 years and has not moved once.  The car is filled with trash and clothing and boxes of food (sun faded from the southwest sun) and I often times wonder if theres a body under the debris.  No one seems to have claimed it and the business owner doesn't seem to know it's here.  Time will tell, I guess.

/CSB time over.
 
2014-06-16 06:59:33 AM  

Grand_Theft_Audio: Where I work, we see a high turnover rate of employees (truck drivers) and we have one car in the parking lot that has been here over 5 years and has not moved once.  The car is filled with trash and clothing and boxes of food (sun faded from the southwest sun) and I often times wonder if theres a body under the debris.  No one seems to have claimed it and the business owner doesn't seem to know it's here.  Time will tell, I guess.

/CSB time over.


Now you have me intrigued.
 
2014-06-16 07:00:53 AM  

Bugerz: Not to mention your average house floor is only built to handle ~40 psf of dead load. Not hard to go over that if you are hoarding stacks of newspapers.


Modern houses, sure.  The Victorians didn't have those sort of load tolerances, so they overbuilt everything.

/which works out when you're a book/record collector.
 
2014-06-16 07:18:00 AM  
Authorities said they are looking for relatives..... Keep digging
 
2014-06-16 07:19:19 AM  
"Living the Compulsion"
 
2014-06-16 07:20:40 AM  

Bugerz: Not to mention your average house floor is only built to handle ~40 psf of dead load. Not hard to go over that if you are hoarding stacks of newspapers.


Yes, yes it was. And probably included the corpses of uncounted rodents, cats maybe a possum or two...
 
2014-06-16 07:20:41 AM  
When did hoarding become a thing?  I never heard of it growing up and now that there are 9 different TV shows devoted to it, that's all I seem to hear about!!
 
2014-06-16 07:23:11 AM  
 
2014-06-16 07:29:53 AM  

buntz: When did hoarding become a thing?  I never heard of it growing up and now that there are 9 different TV shows devoted to it, that's all I seem to hear about!!


People are amused by the mentally ill and this disorder seems to be good for ratings.
 
2014-06-16 07:30:00 AM  

Big Ramifications: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMCXjZ3xuEc


Woops. I tried to post this animated *.gif of the Israeli wedding floor collapse above the Youtube link. http://i57.tinypic.com/anops0.jpg. I didn't think 1240KB was too large.

// preview is my friend
 
2014-06-16 07:31:02 AM  
Talk about a real estate crash
 
2014-06-16 07:32:24 AM  

buntz: When did hoarding become a thing?  I never heard of it growing up and now that there are 9 different TV shows devoted to it, that's all I seem to hear about!!


Conyer Brothers in Harlem in the 1920s was the first time it appeared in the popular, national press, so it was nothing new when you were a kid.

/just because you haven't heard of something doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
 
2014-06-16 07:34:45 AM  

Dwight_Yeast: /just because you haven't heard of something doesn't mean it doesn't exist.


I know, I guess to me it's like peanut allergies.  It wasn't making the news 40 years ago but it must have existed, right?
 
2014-06-16 07:38:15 AM  

buntz: Dwight_Yeast: /just because you haven't heard of something doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

I know, I guess to me it's like peanut allergies.  It wasn't making the news 40 years ago but it must have existed, right?


Yup.  I grew up 30 years ago, and knew a couple kids who had peanut allergies.

If you want to know what used to happen to kids with peanut allergies before we recognized it was a problem and could treat it, the answer is simple the kids died.  The "had a fit" or something similar, and it was never tied to a cause.
 
2014-06-16 07:42:53 AM  
TappingTheVein:

People are amused by the mentally ill and this disorder seems to be good for ratings.

Why this one? What about somebody who has to keep taking showers all day till he finally gets it right? Your arms get really tired after 17 shampoos.

Then there's paranoid schizophrenia. As in "the Illuminati built this fake mental ward and hired all these actors just to find out the secret."

Then of course there's major depression, as described by D.F. Wallace (warning: PDF).

Then of course there's Gender Identity Disorder and Pedophilia. And the kind of OCD that insists on pointing out that a 27 year old with a 17 year old boyfe is not a pedophile regardless of the Age of Consent in that state.

And... I could go on. And on. And on.

But I have to get ready to go to my new therapist. They schedule a 10 A.M. appointment and call me crazy. FFS I only got 2 hours sleep.
 
2014-06-16 07:43:53 AM  

Grand_Theft_Audio: Where I work, we see a high turnover rate of employees (truck drivers) and we have one car in the parking lot that has been here over 5 years and has not moved once.  The car is filled with trash and clothing and boxes of food (sun faded from the southwest sun) and I often times wonder if theres a body under the debris.  No one seems to have claimed it and the business owner doesn't seem to know it's here.  Time will tell, I guess.

/CSB time over.


I know someone who would have found it too tempting to tape a magnifying glass to one of those windows during the night.

Yes, he's in jail right now.
 
2014-06-16 07:45:08 AM  

Dwight_Yeast: buntz: Dwight_Yeast: /just because you haven't heard of something doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

I know, I guess to me it's like peanut allergies.  It wasn't making the news 40 years ago but it must have existed, right?

Yup.  I grew up 30 years ago, and knew a couple kids who had peanut allergies.

If you want to know what used to happen to kids with peanut allergies before we recognized it was a problem and could treat it, the answer is simple the kids died.  The "had a fit" or something similar, and it was never tied to a cause.


But now some kid smells a peanut from 100' away and its OMG shut down the whole school and sterilize everything!!! But then when somebody actually tests him his only real allergy is to not getting enough attention.
 
2014-06-16 07:55:06 AM  
www1.pictures.zimbio.com

RIP Beverley Mitchell
 
2014-06-16 07:55:29 AM  

bearded clamorer: What the fark was she hoarding? Anvils?


mostly paper, mostly.  That and, you've never really seen a hoard have you?  Think of the largest library you've ever been in and then think of it having no shelves and the books all piled on the floor . . . in one room, then, add raw garbage, dead animals, excrement and season to taste.

It's horrific when the doors open and the wind shifts to your direction.  As a high schooler I had a job one summer for a Serv-Pro type of company.  It's overwhelming in July in the northeast humidity.  We'd take barf breaks on the "front lawn".  The city wouldn't let us burn it in place because the health dept was concerned about the stench during tourist season.
 
2014-06-16 07:56:15 AM  
I used to work in customers homes installing TV and Internet services,  I would say 7 times out of ten the house was tidy, 1/10 would be messy but manageable (kids toys all over ect), 1/10 would have various pet issues and quite messy (Enough that you might conciser several trash bins to remove), Then there were the hoarder houses.

Some you would have to move furnishings to get to the panels, some you would have to run cables loosely or risk having to climb over things.   Pet fecal matter was common place, and in some uncommon areas rat or mouse fecal matter, and urine.     The extreme cases in that 10% of normal homes, maybe 10% of that were bed bug homes, you walked in with your boots on, and walked back out.     I was very lucky that homes like that were few and far between.

I only had one home in 3 years that I called child services, one home I refused to run new cabling, and 3 I walked out gagging and vomiting next to my work truck.  all in all I could count on my hand the amount of times I questioned whether I should go back inside or not.  Mostly rooming houses I found being the majority of having issues, especially in the basements.

The child service call was the worst.   Must have been a recent immigrant family to Canada,  one adult who stayed upstairs, and four children in the home.  3 tv's to set up.   Upstairs stunk of cat urine, enough that I left the front door and windows open.   Main floor bathroom had 40 flies, various stages of unwashed clothing, and child toys.  One bedroom was a teenagers room, full of discarded food, bugs, and smelt of extreme BO and body smells.     I won't ever forget the basement;  A mountain of soiled linen, and clothing leading to the washer and dryer, 4 children in various stages of undress, some had full diapers, and urine, and fecal stains though the clothing.  Human feces on the floor which I didn't see until I smelt it.  Someone like myself who doesn't have kids or works in a field where that is common, my nose was very overwhelmed.   I wrenched as soon as I was out of the house in an equipment box.
I called my manager, and he said it was my call to finish.  I grabbed a few gobs of vics for my nose, and finished the job.   Took the rest of the day off to have a few showers and make the phone call.


Didn't hear back from protective services,  but I'm not surprised at that.    I'm saving a lot of details out just because I don't think people want to read more over their coffee.

/CSB
//Not really, still haunts me a bit.
///OCD now with my cleaning thanks to that Job.
 
2014-06-16 07:58:44 AM  

The One True TheDavid: But now some kid smells a peanut from 100' away and its OMG shut down the whole school and sterilize everything!!! But then when somebody actually tests him his only real allergy is to not getting enough attention.


There's what you read on Fark and then there's reality.  Two VERY different things.
 
2014-06-16 08:06:40 AM  
Darn, could have made a good Hoarders episode too.
 
2014-06-16 08:06:44 AM  

The One True TheDavid: TappingTheVein:

People are amused by the mentally ill and this disorder seems to be good for ratings.

Why this one? What about somebody who has to keep taking showers all day till he finally gets it right? Your arms get really tired after 17 shampoos.

Then there's paranoid schizophrenia. As in "the Illuminati built this fake mental ward and hired all these actors just to find out the secret."

Then of course there's major depression, as described by D.F. Wallace (warning: PDF).

Then of course there's Gender Identity Disorder and Pedophilia. And the kind of OCD that insists on pointing out that a 27 year old with a 17 year old boyfe is not a pedophile regardless of the Age of Consent in that state.

And... I could go on. And on. And on.

But I have to get ready to go to my new therapist. They schedule a 10 A.M. appointment and call me crazy. FFS I only got 2 hours sleep.


It's the people who genuinely consider themselves 'normal people' based on societal standard modeling that you really have to watch out for. They'll judge the shyte out of you for not conforming, pointing fingers, redirect their offsprings attention from you, cross the street to avoid you. Cray-cray, the lot of them.

Just becauase I converse with myself to expediate my decision-making process doesn't make me crazy. Even when I actually argue with myself over something from several differing standpoints using slightly different voices so as I can keep track of which side of the argument is getting a hearing. That's just my way of sorting out how I really feel without confusing it all by attempting to get it all done interally, cos that's what would really drive me proper crazy.

I have type 2 bipolar disorder, and on a downswing, vocalising keeps me from the internal downward spiral of self hate-speech that comes from thinking abstractly about decisions, leading me into 'it's my corner and I'll cry if I want to' levels of crazyness. Conversely it heps me make rational choices on my upswing, instead of making horrifyingly bad impulse 'decisions' that lead me into 3 day black-out drink/drug binges, or cartheft, or random violence, or (long list), yeah.

Not talking to myself would be the real crazy thing.

/sorry, rant over. Please to be continuing your regular Fark experience!
 
2014-06-16 08:15:38 AM  
"Police were still trying to find relatives of Mitchell on Sunday."

Did they check under the bathroom?
 
2014-06-16 08:22:57 AM  
My mother is a hoarder, definitely. It could be a whole lot worse (her focus is non-perishable food, clothing, and for some reason, plastic bags) but when she moved into the basement apartment and I started throwing out stuff, our floors did actually change shape slightly. I commented that the house "felt lighter" - that's because the damn thing was lighter.


/still have to do the dining room, sigh
//long road to recovery
 
2014-06-16 08:45:32 AM  
CSB:

Both of my husbands parents are horders and there are areas of their house that I feel are definitely capable of collapsing under the weight of all their stuff. The floor actually visibly sags and creaks under all the weight. His mom collects kitchen supplies, ceramic knick-nacks, and furniture, while his father collects old electronics and tools. The guy has enough tools to open two hardware stores. They live in a huge pre-civil war mansion in a small town in VA, and they have horded so much junk that only 4 out of 16 rooms are still accessible. I will never forget the first time my husband took me to meet them, I was so totally shocked and overwhelmed that I think it must have shown on my face because his mother was very upset and embarrassed. I asked my husband why he didn't warn me about the state of their home, and he just shrugged. I guess he grew up in that atmosphere so it seemed totally normal to him. I've spent years trying to get him to see his parents need help, but he has some hording tendencies himself so he will never admit it. They will either fall and injure themselves, or their house will catch on fire and they won't be able to push past all the crap blocking the exits.

/CSB
 
2014-06-16 08:52:43 AM  
I live one town away from where this happened. And my husband is in the process of remodeling his mother's house (she's a hoarder, place is in terrible condition ) so I'm getting a kick, etc.
 
2014-06-16 08:56:35 AM  
I knew a woman who overstocked on toilet paper. I mean --really-- overstocked on it. Hard to say someone 'hordes' toilet paper but she'd be close. She had an entire room full of packages of toilet paper, she said. When I asked her why, she said it was a phobia of hers, worrying that she'd run out one day, so she always buys it when she's out shopping.
 
2014-06-16 08:57:07 AM  
It's all fun and games 'til all the stuff you hoarded ends up collapsing the first floor of your home into your basement crushing you to death

So, basically, it's a self-limiting problem.
 
2014-06-16 08:57:09 AM  
A supervisor's bro recently passed away in this fashion, only he didn't say anything about structure failing.  He said they were checking up on his bro on a regular basis, because they knew it was coming.

b-maz:

Tales from a cable installer's diary, we thought it would be sexier.  Or this was the back end of the book after everyone got all excited from the sexy stories.
 
2014-06-16 08:59:57 AM  

Bendal: I knew a woman who overstocked on toilet paper. I mean --really-- overstocked on it. Hard to say someone 'hordes' toilet paper but she'd be close. She had an entire room full of packages of toilet paper, she said. When I asked her why, she said it was a phobia of hers, worrying that she'd run out one day, so she always buys it when she's out shopping.


She had a coupon.
 
2014-06-16 09:02:12 AM  

reklamfox: CSB:

Both of my husbands parents are horders and there are areas of their house that I feel are definitely capable of collapsing under the weight of all their stuff. The floor actually visibly sags and creaks under all the weight. His mom collects kitchen supplies, ceramic knick-nacks, and furniture, while his father collects old electronics and tools. The guy has enough tools to open two hardware stores. They live in a huge pre-civil war mansion in a small town in VA, and they have horded so much junk that only 4 out of 16 rooms are still accessible. I will never forget the first time my husband took me to meet them, I was so totally shocked and overwhelmed that I think it must have shown on my face because his mother was very upset and embarrassed. I asked my husband why he didn't warn me about the state of their home, and he just shrugged. I guess he grew up in that atmosphere so it seemed totally normal to him. I've spent years trying to get him to see his parents need help, but he has some hording tendencies himself so he will never admit it. They will either fall and injure themselves, or their house will catch on fire and they won't be able to push past all the crap blocking the exits.

/CSB


I had a very similar experience with my MIL. When my kids were born, I made it very clear that they would never set foot in her house. (I'd lose them in there) That was the inspiration she needed - not to clean that place, but to move to a brand new house. She kept the old one, all full of shiat. Her new house was beautiful, and to her credit, although it got a little more cluttered every time we'd visit, she kept it acceptably clean while they were little. Now that they're older, though, she seems to have given up. The last time I was there it was looking well on the way to a full blown hoard.

I've told my husband many times, she will never, ever, ever live with us. I couldn't do it.
 
2014-06-16 09:03:18 AM  

Oldiron_79: Grand_Theft_Audio: Where I work, we see a high turnover rate of employees (truck drivers) and we have one car in the parking lot that has been here over 5 years and has not moved once.  The car is filled with trash and clothing and boxes of food (sun faded from the southwest sun) and I often times wonder if theres a body under the debris.  No one seems to have claimed it and the business owner doesn't seem to know it's here.  Time will tell, I guess.

/CSB time over.

Now you have me intrigued.


Makes me wonder what kind of OCD I have that I notice if a car is parked in the same space and hasn't been moved if it's there for more than three days.

in the one case this has happened, I ended up asking HR about it and eventually the owner was tracked down.
 
2014-06-16 09:05:15 AM  

dittybopper: It's all fun and games 'til all the stuff you hoarded ends up collapsing the first floor of your home into your basement crushing you to death

So, basically, it's a self-limiting problem.


Not always.  The first hoarder I knew of lived in SC where basements are rare, and he just bought the house next door each time he filled a house up.  By the time the city finally put its foot down, he had about a dozen properties on the same block completely buried under mostly metal.  He kept every piece of metal that came his way, including cars.  I had seen it myself, it looked like a scrapyard in the middle of neighborhood.  One neighbor said he was in the habit of sitting in his backyard with a gun to shoot whatever came out of the hoarder's property, because the pest had taken it over.
 
2014-06-16 09:17:17 AM  

Grand_Theft_Audio: Where I work, we see a high turnover rate of employees (truck drivers) and we have one car in the parking lot that has been here over 5 years and has not moved once.  The car is filled with trash and clothing and boxes of food (sun faded from the southwest sun) and I often times wonder if theres a body under the debris.  No one seems to have claimed it and the business owner doesn't seem to know it's here.  Time will tell, I guess.

/CSB time over.


Let's do this on TotalFark. Like opening Al Capone's vault.
 
2014-06-16 09:22:59 AM  
I come from a line of hoarders.

My grandmother was a genuine child of the Depression Era, so i kinda understood her "Keep all of the things" attitude. When my grandfather was still alive, i think he went  along way to keep it in check. When he passed, things got out of control, and we would have to go to her house and clean out all of the old news papers and stupid stuff he had bought. News papers were her thing, she couldn't bring herself to throw them out.

At some point, we had a hard time keeping up and forced her to come live with us. Before we could get over to the house to truly clean it up, it burned. Fast.

My mom had a little of the mentality, she held on to magazines because they had a recipe or something of value in them. When her health began to deteriorate, we would clean out her stashes while she was in the hospital knowing it would infuriate her. She also sewed a lot in her younger years and kept every cloth remnant. That shiat got tossed as well.

When she passed, we cleaned out her sewing room and the fabric scraps easily went back to the late 60's early 70's as did the patterns.

For myself, i have a strong rule: If you haven't used it in a year, it should probably be in the trash or be sold. The only caveat to that rule is with tools, but i never buy tools just   tohave them. if i own one, it is because i had to have it to get something done.  I have a set of reverse torx bits because Jeep decided to use one to hold the throttle body on. It's literally the only reverse torx bolt in the entire Jeep.
 
2014-06-16 09:42:32 AM  

Bendal: I knew a woman who overstocked on toilet paper. I mean --really-- overstocked on it.


I can see me doing something like this.  If I weren't married with kids, I imagine I would have a room devoted to toilet paper, paper towels, tissues, deodorant, body wash, etc.

I just know it's something I WOULD do if I could but I can't so I don't.

And I'd be as anal and OCD as Julia Roberts' husband in "Sleeping with the Enemy" (but again, with a wife and kids I can't be)
 
2014-06-16 09:50:16 AM  

jaybeezey: For myself, i have a strong rule: If you haven't used it in a year, it should probably be in the trash or be sold. The only caveat to that rule is with tools, but i never buy tools just   tohave them. if i own one, it is because i had to have it to get something done.  I have a set of reverse torx bits because Jeep decided to use one to hold the throttle body on. It's literally the only reverse torx bolt in the entire Jeep.


I'm like that with tools, and some electronics parts (especially stuff that's ham radio useful).  I've got a lot of books, some of which I may never read again, but then again, I just might, so I don't like to part with them.

Everything else?  If I haven't used it in a couple years, it can go.
 
2014-06-16 09:51:19 AM  
My kids and I visited a relative several times over a week or so in the hospital a few years ago. At that particular hospital I've found that parking and entering through the ER area is less of a hassle than the main entrance and main parking garage. There was a car parked on the first level of the smaller ER-area parking garage that was covered with dust and obviously hadn't been moved for some time. It was parked crooked in the space (a pet peeve of mine and what originally drew my attention) inspiring an image of someone rushing themselves to the Emergency Room and not making it, resulting in a forgotten automobile.

After seeing it several more times it began to irritate me because it occupied one of the better, closer spots and even though my life is in disarray I expect everyone else to keep their affairs in order. It just seemed like someone wasn't doing their job.

Anyway, after I wrote "BODY IN TRUNK" in the dust on the rear window it was gone in a day or two.
 
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