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(Medford Mail Tribune)   Woman and her dog attacked by deer shocked that Oregon hippies aren't cool with (deer) population control: "Their first response was not, 'are you OK?' but that I should have known better and the deer must have fawns nearby"   (mailtribune.com) divider line 130
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2014-06-15 04:26:30 PM
How does a 52 year old woman suddenly learn for the first time about deer in fawning season?

Thought people just grew up knowing some of these things. Perhaps she moved to Southern Oregon Ashland (college town) from someplace else, and didn't understand that it isn't all picturesque little cottages and Shakespeare Festival, sometimes you do actually get reminded you aren't really living in a civilized place.
 
2014-06-15 05:11:57 PM
You're not a victim if you're stupid, you're just a student enrolling in Hard Knocks University.
 
2014-06-15 05:16:58 PM
img.photobucket.com
 
2014-06-15 05:20:46 PM
I often go off into the habitat of wild animals and then am shocked that they didn't make me a chicken fried steak
 
2014-06-15 06:30:41 PM
Wait, what?
 
2014-06-15 06:32:30 PM
Her dog attacked a deer and lost. she joined in and lost also. then the deer left victorious. I am not seeing a problem here.
 
2014-06-15 06:32:39 PM

Peter von Nostrand: I often go off into the habitat of wild animals and then am shocked that they didn't make me a chicken fried steak


The deer was in her back yard. But yeah, get used to being around deer, lady. Get a stick next time you want to attack an animal roughly your size.
 
2014-06-15 06:33:02 PM

Peter von Nostrand: I often go off into the habitat of wild animals and then am shocked that they didn't make me a chicken fried steak


The article said the attack happened in her fenced in back yard.
 
2014-06-15 06:34:35 PM
Hmmm. Tasty venison.
 
2014-06-15 06:35:26 PM
A woman who was cornered and attacked by a deer, resulting in multiple cuts and bruises, is asking the City Council to launch a program to sterilize deer or put them on contraceptives "before someone gets killed."

media.tumblr.com
 
2014-06-15 06:37:11 PM
Um, wasn't the attack in her own backyard? She wasn't walking about in the middle of the woods and then got attacked. I think it's perfectly reasonable to want to be safe on your own property.
 
2014-06-15 06:38:48 PM
This must be the same crazy beyoch that that thought moving deer crossing signs would help avoid deer/vehicle collisions.

http://youtu.be/RFCrJleggrI
 
2014-06-15 06:40:08 PM

Generation_D: How does a 52 year old woman suddenly learn for the first time about deer in fawning season?


She was inside city limits in a fenced yard, man.  Any conservationist worth their salt will tell you that deer should have been shot and turned into jerky miles further out than that.

The people talking about using starvation to control deer populations are some of the dumbest motherfarkers on the planet and the perpetrators of extreme animal cruelty to boot; the "natural" method of deer population control is the same as the "human" one, other animals killing them.  Like many herbivorous species, they don't have innate governance of population numbers and rely on the larger biosphere to trim them down.

Hunting or just outright killing deer is pretty much the duty of human beings in both the ecological and moral sense, since we kind of eliminated all of the natural predators that would normally do the job.  Leaving the deer to run wild results in disease epidemics, starvation, and aggressive behavior from the deer.

// This, by the way, is pretty much the first thing humans ever discovered about maintaining the environment when we turned it into a scientific discipline.  Y'know, speaking of things you really should have grown up knowing...
 
2014-06-15 06:40:29 PM
Deer are delicious vermin.
 
2014-06-15 06:41:00 PM
In Ashland, she found records of aggressive encounters against humans and dogs, but no actual attacks on a person.

Clearly this one data point means SOMETHING MUST BE DONE.
 
2014-06-15 06:41:48 PM
I bet this same women smugly comments that there are streets you shouldn't go down in her city when someone from out of town gets mugged or killed.
 
2014-06-15 06:44:20 PM

R.A.Danny: Deer are delicious vermin.


Good god yes:

fatfeedfood.com

blogs.kqed.org
img.food.com
 
2014-06-15 06:44:42 PM

Jim_Callahan: The people talking about using starvation to control deer populations are some of the dumbest motherfarkers on the planet and the perpetrators of extreme animal cruelty to boot; the "natural" method of deer population control is the same as the "human" one, other animals killing them.  Like many herbivorous species, they don't have innate governance of population numbers and rely on the larger biosphere to trim them down.


Deer populations are not kept in check by predation alone. Many of the young were once killed early in life by parasitic infection. Sadly many of these parasites also affect livestock, so they are for the most part eradicated. Now almost every faun in areas like this live a full life, and since deer breed in numbers to make up for natural death there will pretty much always be a population problem now and starvation really is the difference maker. Notice the browse lines as you drive through the woods, oftentimes there is no edible vegetation from the ground to almost 6 feet up. It's all been munched away.
 
2014-06-15 06:44:42 PM

Mr. Eugenides: The article said the attack happened in her fenced in back yard.


pyrotek85: Um, wasn't the attack in her own backyard? She wasn't walking about in the middle of the woods and then got attacked. I think it's perfectly reasonable to want to be safe on your own property.


Yeah, why don't those farking animals understand property rights?! She bought their land fair and square, they need to suck it up and move somewhere else, or just accept extermination as a fair legal consequence of their callous disregard for American Law.
 
2014-06-15 06:45:07 PM

pyrotek85: Um, wasn't the attack in her own backyard? She wasn't walking about in the middle of the woods and then got attacked. I think it's perfectly reasonable to want to be safe on your own property.


While I agree everyone wants to be safe on their own property you can't go around arguing for sterilization of every deer (or any wild animal) that comes onto, or might come onto, said property. THAT is why this lady is psycho.
 
2014-06-15 06:45:54 PM
The deer where I live are so tame now they won't leave your yard if you walk outside. They used to be very skittish. I've never thought they would attack, though. Interesting to note. The only thing that ever bothered me are the ticks they carry.
 
2014-06-15 06:46:32 PM

pyrotek85: Um, wasn't the attack in her own backyard? She wasn't walking about in the middle of the woods and then got attacked. I think it's perfectly reasonable to want to be safe on your own property.


It depends a bit.

A lot of people buy rural houses because they want to be "closer to nature".  Then they lose their farking mind when a bear shows up or something and start making demands that the government comes in and takes care of the problem for them.

It really depends on the details.  If the house right near the woods, she can suck it.  If you have a house near the woods, you have to be able to deal with nature.  If its in town, yeah, there can be some wildlife control.

Also, as was pointed out by the people in the article, there are fences which fix the problem much more easily and more reasonably than controlling the entire deer population.  She should buy them instead of expecting somebody else to fix the problem for her.
 
2014-06-15 06:47:00 PM

R.A.Danny: Deer populations are not kept in check by predation alone.


They could be. Venison is good. fark your cows and their poisonous teats, dairy farmers. I'm eating like Robert Baratheon.
 
2014-06-15 06:47:48 PM

doglover: R.A.Danny: Deer populations are not kept in check by predation alone.

They could be. Venison is good. fark your cows and their poisonous teats, dairy farmers. I'm eating like Robert Baratheon.


I'm all for it.
 
2014-06-15 06:49:21 PM
Go back to visit the fam-bam in OR regularly. I'll never forget getting picked up from PDX and driven straight to our campsite / motor home for a fishing expedition. Now the motor home had a bathroom, but we'd use the woods when we could to delay the need to drain the gray/black water. So I'm standing 50 yards or so away from the camp taking a leak looking up at the brilliant stars we don't see much if in SoCal and lower the light to see and finish up and for some reason all the stars in the sky extended in the surrounding forest. A hundred blue and red lights beaming back at me. Turns out I had wandered in to a massive herd of if deer. Totally surrounded. So yea, cool story bro. Hippies should encourage local harvesting of wild animals. Seems like the environment would be better for it than the toll from ranching.
 
2014-06-15 06:51:59 PM

Mr. Eugenides: Peter von Nostrand: I often go off into the habitat of wild animals and then am shocked that they didn't make me a chicken fried steak

The article said the attack happened in her fenced in back yard.


img.fark.net

She's gonna need a bigger fence.
 
2014-06-15 06:55:07 PM

iron de havilland: Mr. Eugenides: Peter von Nostrand: I often go off into the habitat of wild animals and then am shocked that they didn't make me a chicken fried steak

The article said the attack happened in her fenced in back yard.

[img.fark.net image 240x180]

She's gonna need a bigger fence.


No kidding
http://youtu.be/ley7Iile9G4?t=35s
 
2014-06-15 06:55:44 PM

Krazikarl: It depends a bit.

A lot of people buy rural houses because they want to be "closer to nature".  Then they lose their farking mind when a bear shows up or something and start making demands that the government comes in and takes care of the problem for them.

It really depends on the details.  If the house right near the woods, she can suck it.  If you have a house near the woods, you have to be able to deal with nature.  If its in town, yeah, there can be some wildlife control.

Also, as was pointed out by the people in the article, there are fences which fix the problem much more easily and more reasonably than controlling the entire deer population.  She should buy them instead of expecting somebody else to fix the problem for her.


Deer fences are all well and good, but controlling the population isn't a bad idea either since it's cruel to let them starve if they overpopulate. You also don't want them running into traffic, that poses a serious risk to basically anyone.
 
2014-06-15 06:56:47 PM
ASHLAND - A woman who was cornered and attacked by a deer, resulting in multiple cuts and bruises, is asking the City Council to launch a program to sterilize deer or put them on contraceptives "before someone gets killed."

The Catholic church won't like that.

Now, we simply need to design a purity ring that will fit a deer's hoof.
 
2014-06-15 07:00:49 PM

EdNortonsTwin: Go back to visit the fam-bam in OR regularly. I'll never forget getting picked up from PDX and driven straight to our campsite / motor home for a fishing expedition. Now the motor home had a bathroom, but we'd use the woods when we could to delay the need to drain the gray/black water. So I'm standing 50 yards or so away from the camp taking a leak looking up at the brilliant stars we don't see much if in SoCal and lower the light to see and finish up and for some reason all the stars in the sky extended in the surrounding forest. A hundred blue and red lights beaming back at me. Turns out I had wandered in to a massive herd of if deer. Totally surrounded. So yea, cool story bro. Hippies should encourage local harvesting of wild animals. Seems like the environment would be better for it than the toll from ranching.


I had the hopes your story would involve LSD in some way. Blue and red lights made me think of it. I was camping with a friend a couple weeks ago and we were tripping while taking a night hike and stumbled across coyote territory. Those farkers surround you quickly. Quite terrifying
 
2014-06-15 07:01:30 PM
People who say "save the deer" need to be shot. Giant rats.
 
2014-06-15 07:01:45 PM
Deer are pests. Tired of these dumb hippie morons who's argument, at the end of the day, amounts to "but they are cute".

/liberal
 
2014-06-15 07:10:33 PM
I am all for environmentalism.  But you know what?  Screw deer.  They are really big vermin that, coincidentally enough, are really tasty.
 
2014-06-15 07:10:34 PM
Mr. Eugenides:

The article said the attack happened in her fenced in back yard.

Well it wasn't very farking well fenced in was it.. a deer wandered into it. TFA says lots of people put up adequate deer fencing. You cannot expect wild animals to respect arbitrary margins. Also it is extremely obvious that her dog went at the deer.
 
2014-06-15 07:12:44 PM
Wild animals in your urban backyard? Just remember these easy possible solutions.

Bear: PS90 (with a few 50 round clips)
Deer: .45 semiautomatic handgun
Racoon: Pellet rifle
Squirrel: Black Cat firecracker
Mormons or Jehovahs: Nudity and logic
Hippies: Job application or soap
Baby seal: Louisville Slugger

Results may very. Not responsible for fecal content hitting fans when cops make it from the donut shop. Viewer discretion is advised.
 
2014-06-15 07:14:11 PM

Jim_Callahan: Generation_D: How does a 52 year old woman suddenly learn for the first time about deer in fawning season?

She was inside city limits in a fenced yard, man.  Any conservationist worth their salt will tell you that deer should have been shot and turned into jerky miles further out than that. etcetcetc...


Not here in Canada.

Hunting collapsed our ecosystems about a century and an half ago. Anyone who thinks hunting "controls" deer populations instead of creates the stresses on them, at least in this country, is bugfark crazy. I am shocked to see the USA is somehow different. We've seen millions of people starve here in Canada who were cut off from European imported food supplies because of hunting. We've seen economy after economy after replacement economy collapse because of hunting: buffalo, beaver, deer, moose, fox, anything the fur trade came near, and any people hunting with firearms quickly starved to death.
 
2014-06-15 07:16:21 PM
CSB:
My parents mid-sized mutt has killed four fawns this weekend.

Deer are vermin.  Kill them, kill them all.

And:
s3.roosterteeth.com
 
2014-06-15 07:16:26 PM

Abaddon The Despoiler: Wild animals in your urban backyard? Just remember these easy possible solutions.

Bear: PS90 (with a few 50 round clips)
Deer: .45 semiautomatic handgun
Racoon: Pellet rifle
Squirrel: Black Cat firecracker
Mormons or Jehovahs: Nudity and logic
Hippies: Job application or soap
Baby seal: Louisville Slugger

Results may very. Not responsible for fecal content hitting fans when cops make it from the donut shop. Viewer discretion is advised.


That is just cruel, flagrantly irresponsible, and overly cynical even for fark. Everyone knows you use golf clubs and blackjacks for baby seals...
 
2014-06-15 07:16:40 PM
Sorry, rephrasing:

We've seen millions of people starve here in Canada because of hunting. They were cut off from the European imported food supply by being moved to reveres, and the settlers, who had connections to European imported food, obviously did not starve to death. hunting definitely led to the destruction of the deer, and other species, and also starvation of humans. At no time was hunting with firearms sustainable, not even now when pressures on animal populations are at their most intense ever.
 
2014-06-15 07:16:46 PM

gaspode: Mr. Eugenides:

The article said the attack happened in her fenced in back yard.

Well it wasn't very farking well fenced in was it.. a deer wandered into it. TFA says lots of people put up adequate deer fencing. You cannot expect wild animals to respect arbitrary margins. Also it is extremely obvious that her dog went at the deer.


The dog was doing what it's supposed to do - defend its pack. How you can find fault with it is beyond me. The human is the one who should have known better.
 
2014-06-15 07:16:51 PM
I'm on her side - it's reasonable to go out to a fenced-in backyard and not expect nature is going to come right out and kick you in the face. Her dog was attacked and so was she, and neither one of them was doing anything wrong or threatening. She really needs to wait for that farking deer to come back and fill the freezer with it.
 
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2014-06-15 07:18:14 PM
So many people embrace the idea that man and animal are the result of evolution yet when they see someone hunting a deer or people riding whales at Sea World they try to stop the entire evolutionary process that they embrace.
 
2014-06-15 07:18:25 PM

R.A.Danny: iron de havilland: Mr. Eugenides: Peter von Nostrand: I often go off into the habitat of wild animals and then am shocked that they didn't make me a chicken fried steak

The article said the attack happened in her fenced in back yard.

[img.fark.net image 240x180]

She's gonna need a bigger fence.

No kidding
http://youtu.be/ley7Iile9G4?t=35s



Don't forget this one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id21dN2BdGA
 
2014-06-15 07:19:00 PM

Generation_D: How does a 52 year old woman suddenly learn for the first time about deer in fawning season?


She didn't. She suddenly learned for the first time that deer will attack anything that moves and they think they can kill, fawns or no, and that all her "friends" would rather pretend that this is impossible and she must have provoked the deer somehow rather than admit that "Bambi" is just a movie.

/and a cartoon, at that
//even Steven Spielberg couldn't get a live deer to behave close enough to Bambi & friends to make a film with real animals
 
2014-06-15 07:20:02 PM

gaspode: Her dog attacked a deer and lost. she joined in and lost also. then the deer left victorious. I am not seeing a problem here.


Um, the dog was in its own, fenced-in yard. The deer was inside that territory of the dog's fenced-in yard. According to TFA, the doe attacked the dog (which is entirely probable if the doe has fawned--it is true, as the article pointed out, that a doe which has fawned does see a dog, even a housepet, as a threat to her fawns).

Even if the dog did attack the doe (which I doubt in the scenario of a fawning doe), the dog--which is known to be a territorial animal by nature--was within its own, fenced-in territory. Any dog would attack another animal under those circumstances. I've seen my dogs attack (and pulled them off of, in some cases) raccoons, possums, snakes, cats, other dogs, and skunks that had the misfortune of wandering into my fenced-off backyard. That's the entire reason "beware of dog" signs exist--so that humans do not get attacked when entering the fenced yard of someone who has a dog. And here on Fark, no one would bat an eye if a dog attacked a human being under those circumstances. But somehow, because it's a deer, Bambi gets a pass and the human and her dog are wrong?

Out here, Bambi would have been someone's farking dinner and it wouldn't have made the news.
 
2014-06-15 07:28:56 PM

gaspode: Mr. Eugenides:

The article said the attack happened in her fenced in back yard.

Well it wasn't very farking well fenced in was it.. a deer wandered into it. TFA says lots of people put up adequate deer fencing.


Adequate being at least 7 feet high. Because, have you ever seen a deer jump? I have. 7 feet is the minimum of adequate. But if someone hasn't actually seen a deer jump, they may not know that or understand why people's fences are 7 feet high in that area.

Also, see just about everyone else's statement for the part of your post I cut: even if the dog did go after the deer (which, again, it is just as likely the doe went after the dog in this instance. If a doe is fawning or has fawned, it is not only possible but probable that she went after the dog because she perceived it as a threat to her young. The fact that she attacked the homeowner as well indicates that it's likely it was the doe who went after the dog--every single deer I have ever seen, including bucks, runs from humans rather than attacking them unless their young are threatened. Deer as a species are easily startled and their fight or flight response is to flee), that's what dogs do instinctively. You can no more blame a dog for being a dog than you can blame a deer for being a deer.

Was the human stupid to approach a wild animal that was probably in fawn? Yes.

Does that negate the fact that wild animals can be a threat to humans when they are protecting their young? No. Even a human is extraordinarily dangerous when protecting their young.
 
2014-06-15 07:29:11 PM

R.A.Danny: Jim_Callahan: The people talking about using starvation to control deer populations are some of the dumbest motherfarkers on the planet and the perpetrators of extreme animal cruelty to boot; the "natural" method of deer population control is the same as the "human" one, other animals killing them.  Like many herbivorous species, they don't have innate governance of population numbers and rely on the larger biosphere to trim them down.

Deer populations are not kept in check by predation alone. Many of the young were once killed early in life by parasitic infection. Sadly many of these parasites also affect livestock, so they are for the most part eradicated. Now almost every faun in areas like this live a full life, and since deer breed in numbers to make up for natural death there will pretty much always be a population problem now and starvation really is the difference maker. Notice the browse lines as you drive through the woods, oftentimes there is no edible vegetation from the ground to almost 6 feet up. It's all been munched away.


ONE WORD... WOLVES...
They used to be there and kill lots of deer, now they are gone and the deer population is out of control.
 
2014-06-15 07:31:25 PM
Deer don't attack. I call bullshiat.
 
2014-06-15 07:31:57 PM

gaspode: Mr. Eugenides:

The article said the attack happened in her fenced in back yard.

Well it wasn't very farking well fenced in was it.. a deer wandered into it. TFA says lots of people put up adequate deer fencing. You cannot expect wild animals to respect arbitrary margins. Also it is extremely obvious that her dog went at the deer.


Deer fencing is like bear-proofing. There is no fence that will stop a deer that sees grass in your yard, except giving it the appearance of being harder to get over, under, or through than the fence around your neighbor's yard.

/assuming your neighbor also has grass growing in his yard
 
2014-06-15 07:32:01 PM

Carousel Beast: gaspode: Mr. Eugenides:

The article said the attack happened in her fenced in back yard.

Well it wasn't very farking well fenced in was it.. a deer wandered into it. TFA says lots of people put up adequate deer fencing. You cannot expect wild animals to respect arbitrary margins. Also it is extremely obvious that her dog went at the deer.

The dog was doing what it's supposed to do - defend its pack. How you can find fault with it is beyond me. The human is the one who should have known better.


Im not criticising the dog! Im criticising the stupid owner who put her dog in that position in the first place. The dog almost 100% likely started barking at the deer which the deer would of course see as a threat (because it IS a threat)

Sorry for not making that clear. Dogs will do what they do because they are dogs and cannot be criticised for it if it is in the normal bounds of dog behaviour. Even when a dog has to be destroyed because it attacks people or other pets it is a regrettable necessity and rarely the dog's 'fault'
 
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