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2014-06-15 02:05:05 PM
DAMN THE CONFEDERACY! i1182.photobucket.com
 
2014-06-15 03:38:50 PM
I guess we better ban Civil War re-enactors. Or cannon. Or black powder. Or...christ, something needs banning here! Kids were hurt! We have to ban something!
 
2014-06-15 03:43:46 PM
I will withhold my outrage until I can figure out which side Utah fought for.

/get better soon little guys
 
2014-06-15 03:45:18 PM
OOPS!

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2014-06-15 03:45:53 PM

Gyrfalcon: I guess we better ban Civil War re-enactors. Or cannon. Or black powder. Or...christ, something needs banning here! Kids were hurt! We have to ban something!


Only took 2 posts for some gun nut to show up and display their ass-hattery.

Congrats.
 
2014-06-15 03:48:34 PM

L Buff: Gyrfalcon: I guess we better ban Civil War re-enactors. Or cannon. Or black powder. Or...christ, something needs banning here! Kids were hurt! We have to ban something!

Only took 2 posts for some gun nut to show up and display their ass-hattery.

Congrats.


Yes, I have Gyrfalcon farkied as a rabid gun nut. I also keep a purple unicorn in my underwear drawer.
 
2014-06-15 03:49:53 PM
Sound's like those kid's parents have a legal caisson this.

/Dammit, there's a decent pun there, but I can't seem to crack it.
 
2014-06-15 03:51:20 PM

L Buff: Gyrfalcon: I guess we better ban Civil War re-enactors. Or cannon. Or black powder. Or...christ, something needs banning here! Kids were hurt! We have to ban something!

Only took 2 posts for some gun nut to show up and display their ass-hattery.

Congrats.


Only took 3 posts for some gun-grabber to show up and display their broken sarcasm-meter.

Congrats.
 
2014-06-15 03:53:02 PM

Gyrfalcon: L Buff: Gyrfalcon: I guess we better ban Civil War re-enactors. Or cannon. Or black powder. Or...christ, something needs banning here! Kids were hurt! We have to ban something!

Only took 2 posts for some gun nut to show up and display their ass-hattery.

Congrats.

Only took 3 posts for some gun-grabber to show up and display their broken sarcasm-meter.

Congrats.


Utah was is the Civil War? I thought the Germans sank it at Pearl Harbor.
 
2014-06-15 03:53:12 PM

Danger Avoid Death: L Buff: Gyrfalcon: I guess we better ban Civil War re-enactors. Or cannon. Or black powder. Or...christ, something needs banning here! Kids were hurt! We have to ban something!

Only took 2 posts for some gun nut to show up and display their ass-hattery.

Congrats.

Yes, I have Gyrfalcon farkied as a rabid gun nut. I also keep a purple unicorn in my underwear drawer.



Is Purple Unicorn the new Rabbit?
 
2014-06-15 03:54:37 PM
Overheard beforehand: Hey, watch this.
 
2014-06-15 03:55:15 PM
I see re-enactors are responsible, too.
 
2014-06-15 03:57:01 PM

L Buff: Gyrfalcon: I guess we better ban Civil War re-enactors. Or cannon. Or black powder. Or...christ, something needs banning here! Kids were hurt! We have to ban something!

Only took 2 posts for some gun nut to show up and display their ass-hattery.

Congrats.


only took 5 posts for some anti-gun nut to show up with their derp
 
2014-06-15 03:57:06 PM
Giltric: Yes, I have Gyrfalcon farkied as a rabid gun nut. I also keep a purple unicorn in my underwear drawer.

Ain't helpin nobody in the drawer.
 
2014-06-15 04:00:23 PM

Gyrfalcon: I guess we better ban Civil War re-enactors. Or cannon. Or black powder. Or...christ, something needs banning here! Kids were hurt! We have to ban something!


Hey... most of these Civil War re-enactors were drafted into this war.
 
2014-06-15 04:02:46 PM
From the article: "The cannon was fired, and a spark landed on a pouch containing additional charges for the cannon. The smoldering ember set off the contents of the pouch, blowing it up and injuring all three children, the press release explained."

This is why you're supposed to keep the charges in a closed box.
 
2014-06-15 04:06:27 PM

Shirley Ujest: Gyrfalcon: L Buff: Gyrfalcon: I guess we better ban Civil War re-enactors. Or cannon. Or black powder. Or...christ, something needs banning here! Kids were hurt! We have to ban something!

Only took 2 posts for some gun nut to show up and display their ass-hattery.

Congrats.

Only took 3 posts for some gun-grabber to show up and display their broken sarcasm-meter.

Congrats.

Utah was is the Civil War? I thought the Germans sank it at Pearl Harbor.


Utah was so not in the Civil War that the U.S. Army LEFT there in 1861, to go fight in the war. The closest thing to a Civil War battle in Utah were some Indian raids on mail routes during the one-year absence of Union troops. A troop of Mormon irregulars were enlisted by the U.S. government to try to find the perpetrators (they failed). This concludes the history of Utah's (non) participation in the Civil War.

You know what they oughta reenact in Utah? The Mountain Meadows Massacre.
 
2014-06-15 04:06:54 PM
See, and I was worried that Johnny Depp's had lost some of his children.

/totally obscure.
 
2014-06-15 04:08:17 PM
"Don't worry, I know what I'm doing," says every gun owner, ever.
 
2014-06-15 04:16:52 PM
Aww Jesus!!! Aww Jesus!!! Aww Lawd Reekris!!!  Aaww shi!!! Wooooooooo!!! Wooooooooo!!! -- Dat waz awesome!!!  Get da wada!!!!
 
2014-06-15 04:17:27 PM

Gyrfalcon: gun-grabber


nosuchthing
 
2014-06-15 04:21:38 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: "Don't worry, I know what I'm doing," says every gun owner, ever.


Amazing...your dumbassery truly knows no bounds. Normally I would put someone like you on ignore but in your case I actually have you favorited. You're amusing in a stupid sort of way. Please dont change.
 
2014-06-15 04:31:57 PM

LaughingRadish: From the article: "The cannon was fired, and a spark landed on a pouch containing additional charges for the cannon. The smoldering ember set off the contents of the pouch, blowing it up and injuring all three children, the press release explained."

This is why you're supposed to keep the charges in a closed box.




This!
...and it is historically accurate to do so. Handling of powder and payload, as well as the whole loading process, were kind of a big deal back in the day.

/with all those sparks flying and enemy rounds incoming, it ain't hard to why.
/this is what happens when there is poor regulation in your militia.
 
2014-06-15 04:34:00 PM

Gyrfalcon: I guess we better ban Civil War re-enactors. Or cannon. Or black powder. Or...christ, something needs banning here! Kids were hurt! We have to ban something!


No no no, what we needed was more cannons. Because once the criminals cannon assaulted the children, responsible cannon owners could have returned fire.
 
2014-06-15 04:35:22 PM
Was alcohol involved?
 
2014-06-15 04:45:09 PM
War. War never changes.
 
2014-06-15 04:46:31 PM
At least someone thought of the children.
 
2014-06-15 04:47:13 PM
What a poorly trained and unsafe gun crew, and it's a shame that anyone let alone children were injured because of their lack of safety training and common sense.   Years ago at a reenactment in Cincinnati that I was participating in, an artillery group that was late to the battle decided to take the field without filling their gun's sponge bucket.  They were also powder-burning yahoos who were loading/firing as fast as possible and had an improperly trained teenager in the No. 1 position (guy with the rammer).  The gun was so hot that as the kid rammed a round home it went off and sent him flying down the hill a good twenty feet.  Because of that entire group's many poor decisions, the kid had about 3/4 of his body directly in front of the muzzle (incorrect stance); he ended up sustaining severe burns to his chest, arms, neck/lower face, lost five or six fingers, and I think partially lost his eyesight and hearing.  The rammer he was using splintered and hit me and my friends with some pieces tearing through or embedding in our clothing, with a larger portion of rammer actually flying across the field and hit another person in the calf, tearing it open for six inches.

Safety is paramount in reenacting or historical interpretation when any kind of firing demonstration is called for, at least that is how it has been for my group.  For us, being permitted on National Park battlefields in an official capacity as interpreters means strict firearms safety; blank ammunition storage/handling, weapons cleaning and regular inspections, Manual of Arms drill, and just taking the time to not be trigger-happy jackasses.

Here's part of what I do.  It's a lot of fun when done right.

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2014-06-15 04:59:21 PM

IExpectAKill: What a poorly trained and unsafe gun crew, and it's a shame that anyone let alone children were injured because of their lack of safety training and common sense.


funnyasduck.net
 
2014-06-15 05:21:25 PM

IExpectAKill: Here's part of what I do.  It's a lot of fun when done right.


Excellent fark handle for a cannoneer.
 
2014-06-15 05:31:01 PM

LazyMedia: Shirley Ujest: Gyrfalcon: L Buff: Gyrfalcon: I guess we better ban Civil War re-enactors. Or cannon. Or black powder. Or...christ, something needs banning here! Kids were hurt! We have to ban something!

Only took 2 posts for some gun nut to show up and display their ass-hattery.

Congrats.

Only took 3 posts for some gun-grabber to show up and display their broken sarcasm-meter.

Congrats.

Utah was is the Civil War? I thought the Germans sank it at Pearl Harbor.

Utah was so not in the Civil War that the U.S. Army LEFT there in 1861, to go fight in the war. The closest thing to a Civil War battle in Utah were some Indian raids on mail routes during the one-year absence of Union troops. A troop of Mormon irregulars were enlisted by the U.S. government to try to find the perpetrators (they failed). This concludes the history of Utah's (non) participation in the Civil War.

You know what they oughta reenact in Utah? The Mountain Meadows Massacre.


Great info!
 
2014-06-15 06:04:51 PM

LaughingRadish: From the article: "The cannon was fired, and a spark landed on a pouch containing additional charges for the cannon. The smoldering ember set off the contents of the pouch, blowing it up and injuring all three children, the press release explained."

This is why you're supposed to keep the charges in a closed box.


That. I smell a lawsuitin'.
 
2014-06-15 06:12:17 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: "Don't worry, I know what I'm doing," says every gun owner, ever.


People really should keep me in mind when they say such things...

Hell, even ditty would have seen the stupidity that was about to happen and thumped a few people on the head about it.
 
2014-06-15 06:48:07 PM
War between the states!
 
2014-06-15 07:35:16 PM
I love that group - the chick is hot.

media.npr.org

Don't know what they have against kids though . . .
 
2014-06-15 07:39:33 PM

iq_in_binary: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: "Don't worry, I know what I'm doing," says every gun owner, ever.

People really should keep me in mind when they say such things...

Hell, even ditty would have seen the stupidity that was about to happen and thumped a few people on the head about it.


Probably, I would have.

*NO* one gets in front of the muzzle of my cannon after it's been placed, not even to load (done from the side).

GIS "dittybopper mortar" if you want to see it.
 
2014-06-15 07:45:06 PM
You know who trained children to properly man artillery without mishap?

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2014-06-15 07:48:20 PM

Therion: IExpectAKill: Here's part of what I do.  It's a lot of fun when done right.

Excellent fark handle for a cannoneer.


Ha.  It's actually been tweaked from the title of a Robert Pollard song that I really like, "I Expect To Kill."

Only worked with cannons a few times, down at Fort Granger in Tennessee, Antietam, Gettysburg, and a full horse-drawn battery for a production that one of my friends was working on.  The latter scared the shiat out of me.
 
2014-06-15 07:57:57 PM

Gyrfalcon: I guess we better ban Civil War re-enactors. Or cannon. Or black powder. Or...christ, something needs banning here! Kids were hurt! We have to ban something!


WHAARRGARBBL!!1!
 
2014-06-15 08:00:30 PM

Publikwerks: Gyrfalcon: I guess we better ban Civil War re-enactors. Or cannon. Or black powder. Or...christ, something needs banning here! Kids were hurt! We have to ban something!

No no no, what we needed was more cannons. Because once the criminals cannon assaulted the children, responsible cannon owners could have returned fire.


The only thing that will stop a bad guy with a cannon....
 
2014-06-15 08:02:17 PM

IExpectAKill: Therion: IExpectAKill: Here's part of what I do.  It's a lot of fun when done right.

Excellent fark handle for a cannoneer.

Ha.  It's actually been tweaked from the title of a Robert Pollard song that I really like, "I Expect To Kill."

Only worked with cannons a few times, down at Fort Granger in Tennessee, Antietam, Gettysburg, and a full horse-drawn battery for a production that one of my friends was working on.  The latter scared the shiat out of me.


Awesome. I used 155mm Howitzers in the Core. Lotta respect for the ancient era gun bunnies.

/0811 FTW
 
2014-06-15 08:32:50 PM

jaytkay: I see re-enactors are responsible, too.


I was working on a movie a buncha years ago, period piece; they brought in some local Civil War re-enactors as extras. Going throughout the crowd of them, I noticed one guy had a gun that hadn't been issued by me. He said he'd brought his own gun. OK, well, I'll need to check it before I can let you on the set with it. He says 'well, it's loaded.'
I told him we could not have a loaded weapon on the set under any circumstances, and to get rid of it, take it out to his car, lock it up, whatever. But we could not allow him to have a loaded gun on the set. He says 'OK, what about if I unload it?'
I tell him that's fine.
He proceeds to pull his gun out and fire it into the air.

Responsible.
 
2014-06-15 09:33:46 PM
Will a 12 lb'er Napoleon put a dent in a BLM MRAP? Inquiring minds want to know...
 
2014-06-15 09:50:21 PM

propasaurus: jaytkay: I see re-enactors are responsible, too.

I was working on a movie a buncha years ago, period piece; they brought in some local Civil War re-enactors as extras. Going throughout the crowd of them, I noticed one guy had a gun that hadn't been issued by me. He said he'd brought his own gun. OK, well, I'll need to check it before I can let you on the set with it. He says 'well, it's loaded.'
I told him we could not have a loaded weapon on the set under any circumstances, and to get rid of it, take it out to his car, lock it up, whatever. But we could not allow him to have a loaded gun on the set. He says 'OK, what about if I unload it?'
I tell him that's fine.
He proceeds to pull his gun out and fire it into the air.

Responsible.


I've seen that quite a bit among jackass re-enactors.  Hell, I've even seen some of them abuse their horses.  One guy a few years ago could barely control his horse and he kept punching it in the side of the head and pulling it's mane.  A minute later the horse bucked him off, kicked him as he tried to run away and shattered his leg.  This isn't to say that all re-enactors are like this, some are just complete morons.

Like all hobbies, re-enacting has different commitment and knowledge levels among the participants.  On one end are the weekend warrior types who show up in big tents or campers with their families, eat hot dogs all weekend, wear sunglasses and raccoon tails in their hats, and just want to burn powder; they likely watched too much "F Troop" or too many John Wayne movies.  On the opposite end of this spectrum are the "authentic" guys who have an incredible knowledge and respect for the original soldiers they portray, right down to period-correct methods of reproduction clothing and equipment manufacture, very specific firearms, rations, historical scenario portrayed, how their blank ammunition is wrapped, period songs, political topics, etc..  In my experience they also possess a much greater concern for safety and training.  Responsibility and accountability are paramount.
 
2014-06-15 10:14:39 PM
I assume this counts as school shooting number seventy-six.
 
2014-06-15 10:52:38 PM
Oops.
 
2014-06-15 11:20:12 PM
I'd like to think there were plenty of mistakes made that caused this accident to even be possible.  The group I'm in has a ton of safety procedures in place to prevent anything like this from ever happening.  If they were close enough to the cannon for a spark to ignite powder, they were too close.  If a spark ignited loose powder in a pouch, they need to prepare the rounds better.   Ours are made in a multiple layer. Powder goes into a plastic sandwich bag, the bag is then wrapped in multiple layers of aluminum foil.  Our rounds won't leak powder until after the cartridge has been placed into the cannon and the cartridge has been punctured.  I'm also curious as to the type of pouch used.  The type we use to carry a round from our limber and to the gun is made of leather with a very large flap to cover the inside contents.  The flap is never raised unless a round is being placed into the pouch or being removed.

Your TLDR: There are safe ways of firing a cannon and preventing accidents.  What happened in a situation like this is caused by unsafe practices.
 
2014-06-15 11:43:12 PM

Swampmaster: Will a 12 lb'er Napoleon put a dent in a BLM MRAP? Inquiring minds want to know...


One way to find out...
 
2014-06-16 04:34:00 AM

TommyDeuce: I love that group - the chick is hot.

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Don't know what they have against kids though . . .



Too bad they're no more. Haven't done anything since November 2012.

Hiatus my ass...
 
2014-06-16 07:08:14 AM
That article was horribly written.
Can we get a PPV of the "writer" being hit by a canon, please?

Oh, as for the kids; Hahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
 
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