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(Some Veteran)   "Sure, let's go back to Iraq. Oh, yes. I'll dig out my uniform and strap on my pistol and ride into battle yet again. Just so long as Donald Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney, George W. Bush, Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter, and the rest are in the vanguard"   (stonekettle.com) divider line 40
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2014-06-15 07:32:00 AM  
7 votes:
This vet needs to learn some respect. If it's not worth it to launch a nation into a decade-long, trillion dollar conflict to help a dry drunk millionaire win the love of his daddy, then what the hell are we doing here?
2014-06-15 02:21:11 AM  
5 votes:
img.fark.net

I'm a tiny bit tempted to do an audio version of that. As rants go, that's a good one.
2014-06-15 10:24:51 AM  
4 votes:
Obama is the worst. I long for the days when our foreign policy was a series of keywords: "evildoers", "liberty", "mushroom cloud". Bush was a guy you could have a beer with.
2014-06-15 11:10:41 AM  
3 votes:
I hope that by posting this on Facebook I can end any "relationship" with three or more of my "friends".


That was amazing.
2014-06-15 09:51:33 AM  
3 votes:

EvilEgg: Most are above average.


Go back to Lake Woebegone.
2014-06-15 08:49:44 AM  
3 votes:
Your blog succeeds.
2014-06-15 07:35:43 AM  
3 votes:
Good read is good.

I'd like to buy that hero an ale.

/Wait what?
//Appropriate use of the Fark Hero tag?
///Does this mean I can start clicking on those links that promise "hot" chicks pics again?
2014-06-15 06:56:08 PM  
2 votes:
Spectacular. Simply...spectacular. I have the weirdest boner right now. Yes sir, I am a little gay for your essay and I'm not ashamed to say it.
2014-06-15 06:02:45 PM  
2 votes:

CigaretteSmokingMan: Actually, Bush wouldn't have a beer. Obama would.


He choked on that pretzel while sober?

Wow.
2014-06-15 05:12:53 PM  
2 votes:

LadySusan: mofa: HeartBurnKid: He's got a point. California proves that people love getting services from the government, but don't like actually paying for it.

Not sure what you're getting at; we have a budget surplus and voted in legislators who said that we needed to raise taxes.  Is California some sort of failed state?  Is it because we put guacamole on everything? Because that's sort of a running joke -- we don't really put guacamole on everything, but we are tolerant of those who want to, and try to make guacamole available if they want it.

guacamole sobre todo! or maybe

guacamole os hará libres


Guacamole uber alles?
2014-06-15 12:07:45 PM  
2 votes:

xtech: TL:DR

your blog sucks, so bad.

you sound awfully butthurt subby.


Bless your heart.
2014-06-15 12:01:25 PM  
2 votes:

EvilEgg: doglover: Pure democracy is an inherently bad system. Half of all people are, tautologically, below average. They shouldn't get a direct vote on all issues. That's why we have representatives.

However, by allowing people to campaign for for public office as a career, we wind up with representatives who are really only qualified to run for public office. They're less than useless at best.

The only system that is going to work is a totalitarian dictatorship of the proletariat, where people are forcibly elected to occupation specific offices by their peers and colleges by a series of mandatory elections that do not have ballots, but rather simply ask people for the best in their industry.

That's not true. Half the people don't necessarily have to be below average. If you have three people with a 100IQ, and one with a 20, average is 80. Most are above average.


the average person doesn't know the difference between median and average :)
2014-06-15 10:35:58 AM  
2 votes:

TwoBeersOneCan: You could also borrow from General Smedley Butler.

"War is a racket. It always has been. The few profit and the many pay. But there is a way to stop it. You can't end it by disarmament conferences. You can't eliminate it with peace parlays at Geneva. Well-meaning but impractical groups can't wipe it out with resolutions. It can be smashed effectively only by taking the profit out of war."

"The normal profits of a business concern in the United States are six, eight, ten, and sometimes twelve percent. But war-time profits... ah, that is another matter. Twenty, sixty, one hundred, three hundred, even eighteen hundred percent - the sky is the limit."

He has lots of good ones.


Did he start any of them with "War.  War never changes."?
2014-06-15 10:31:13 AM  
2 votes:
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2014-06-15 09:06:14 AM  
2 votes:
Mrtraveler01:

California is a pretty good example of why a direct democracy is flawed.

People who don't agree with me are a good example of why freedom is flawed,
2014-06-15 09:05:10 AM  
2 votes:

propasaurus: Here's the thing. I don't think anyone actually wants to invade Iraq again. They just want to use it against Obama any way they can. If he doesn't send troops, they'll attack him for being weak and 'losing' the Iraq war. If he does send troops, they'll attack him for being a ruthless bloodthirsty warmongering dictator.


Sending troops would be a distraction from the real controversy.   Real, of course, means which ever controversy we're talking about at the moment.  Eventually, his sending troops to Iraq will be a distraction from his decision to send troops to Iraq.
2014-06-15 08:30:54 AM  
2 votes:

Cyclometh: [img.fark.net image 480x640]

I'm a tiny bit tempted to do an audio version of that. As rants go, that's a good one.


An audio version done by Samuel Jackson would be great.
2014-06-15 08:43:31 PM  
1 votes:

ArcadianRefugee: cman: This made me realize something

There is no word that has a definition similar to "we" but implies that they only took part in it indirectly such as cheerleaders or spectators.

Some levity to lighten things up.


I don't know what a step above the internet is, but whatever it is, that clip won it.
2014-06-15 08:27:27 PM  
1 votes:

Cyclometh: I'm a tiny bit tempted to do an audio version of that. As rants go, that's a good one.



img.fark.net


Seriously, let me know when it is up on iTunes.
2014-06-15 07:04:23 PM  
1 votes:

evil saltine: Obama is the worst. I long for the days when our foreign policy was a series of keywords: "evildoers", "liberty", "mushroom cloud". Bush was a guy you could have a beer with humiliate in Scrabble.


FTFM
2014-06-15 04:47:44 PM  
1 votes:

born_yesterday: evil saltine: Obama is the worst. I long for the days when our foreign policy was a series of keywords: "evildoers", "liberty", "mushroom cloud". Bush was a guy you could have a beer with.

YOU'RE EITHER WITH US OR YOU'RE WITH THE TERRORISTS!

/The Danes call it "nuance".


"Nuance" is a french word.
2014-06-15 01:54:53 PM  
1 votes:
Yay! I always wanted a stalker!
2014-06-15 01:40:00 PM  
1 votes:
Agreed with every word.

That being said, my secret, dirty little fantasy for this insurgence happening, and now that a carrier group is on the way into the gulf, is for our President to go to a joint session of congress and say the following

"Our military is ready, we know who the enemy is and where they are. Constitutionally only Congress may declare war. If you wish our troops and ships committed, declare war, put in place taxes and revenue to pay for it up front and give me clear and concise goals for our military leaders"

I would be glued to C-SPAN for the ensuing Republican meltdown.
2014-06-15 01:35:57 PM  
1 votes:
If you're not in favor of interventions, why join a volunteer force that's done nothing but that for the better part of the last century?

/I you just want to "defend your nation" then simply wait long enough and war will come to you.
2014-06-15 12:30:23 PM  
1 votes:

mofa: HeartBurnKid: He's got a point. California proves that people love getting services from the government, but don't like actually paying for it.

Not sure what you're getting at; we have a budget surplus and voted in legislators who said that we needed to raise taxes.  Is California some sort of failed state?  Is it because we put guacamole on everything? Because that's sort of a running joke -- we don't really put guacamole on everything, but we are tolerant of those who want to, and try to make guacamole available if they want it.


No, California's not a failed state.  Not by a longshot.  We just have a bad habit of voting all kinds of earmarks into the budget via the initiative process, then damn near revolting when Sacramento raises taxes or makes other cuts to pay for it all, to the point we've made it nigh impossible for them to do so.  You notice how we just now finally got things in line now that the Democrats have a supermajority?  That's because that's what it takes for the California budget process to work, with the ways we the people have micromanaged it.

And guacamole is awesome, I put it on everything I can, and I'll not hear another bad word about it.
2014-06-15 12:07:12 PM  
1 votes:

Hobo Jr.: Laobaojun: In one of Heinlein's books, the system was that for the country to go to war, it had to be approved in a general election.  The kicker was that if you voted for war, your military assignment was marked for you on the ballot.

I am not saying this is the answer, but this business of effete fat-bodies with no flesh in the game deciding that "we" need to go to war is inherently problematic.

Service leads to citizenship.


To update Heinlein, today's ballot would have two types: the Democratic ballot would be what Heinlein originally wrote, the Republican ballot would have a prediction of personal profit from the combination tax reduction, arms sales, Halliburton and Carlyle investment, insider hedge fund management, and surveiillance industry rewards.

The Republican ballot would also include a tax free $50,000 thank you coupon for the cost saving of "free speech" appealing directly to the voter instead of enriching price-fixing media outlets.  And a timeline of what to build to accommodate millions of returning unemployed and wounded who will be needing overpriced shelter and usurious loans in an economy characterized by a hugh war deficit and no real new jobs.
2014-06-15 11:50:01 AM  
1 votes:

Darth Macho: Note that most of these pre-date alts, trolling and Poe's Law and are prime examples of authentic douchebaggery.


Back when being an anonymous asshole on the internet meant something.
2014-06-15 11:48:50 AM  
1 votes:

Laobaojun: In one of Heinlein's books, the system was that for the country to go to war, it had to be approved in a general election.  The kicker was that if you voted for war, your military assignment was marked for you on the ballot.

I am not saying this is the answer, but this business of effete fat-bodies with no flesh in the game deciding that "we" need to go to war is inherently problematic.


Service leads to citizenship.
2014-06-15 11:45:24 AM  
1 votes:
I gather from the article that the author is not in favor of military intervention.
2014-06-15 11:03:46 AM  
1 votes:

cman: This made me realize something

There is no word that has a definition similar to "we" but implies that they only took part in it indirectly such as cheerleaders or spectators.


Asked and answered. Putting the word "we" in quotes (or finger quotes if speaking) pretty much covers it.
2014-06-15 10:55:55 AM  
1 votes:

doglover: Pure democracy is an inherently bad system. Half of all people are, tautologically, below average. They shouldn't get a direct vote on all issues. That's why we have representatives.

However, by allowing people to campaign for for public office as a career, we wind up with representatives who are really only qualified to run for public office. They're less than useless at best.

The only system that is going to work is a totalitarian dictatorship of the proletariat, where people are forcibly elected to occupation specific offices by their peers and colleges by a series of mandatory elections that do not have ballots, but rather simply ask people for the best in their industry.


So, What....?  Instead we elect them to the House and give them an even more powerful vote on the issues?
/ Just snarking.
2014-06-15 10:39:39 AM  
1 votes:
I read this in George Carlin's voice. It worked for me.
2014-06-15 10:27:57 AM  
1 votes:

HeartBurnKid: Great_Milenko: Mrtraveler01:

California is a pretty good example of why a direct democracy is flawed.

People who don't agree with me are a good example of why freedom is flawed,

He's got a point. California proves that people love getting services from the government, but don't like actually paying for it.


The republicans are the same way.

Build a wall along the entire mexican border!

Moar aircraft carriers!

Moar cops!

Bomb bomb bomb Iran!

What, we actually have to pay for this shiat???  When the poors are getting a free ride with their refrigerators?
2014-06-15 10:26:47 AM  
1 votes:

UNC_Samurai: And we've seen combat vererans become the most ardent opponents of war, like George McGovern. Hell, even George HW Bush knew he couldn't go but so far in the Gulf War. Which makes it even more disturbing how McCain is so willing to bang the drum.


Maybe it's a form of hazing ritual. "*I* had to do it and it sucked, so now I get to make YOU do it, whether it makes sense or not!"
2014-06-15 09:38:48 AM  
1 votes:
"Why?
Why, John McCain?
Why, Mitt Romney?
Why, conservatives?
This time you farkers goddamned well tell me why.
What's the goal? What's the objective? Is it to end terrorism? Is it to enforce peace at the muzzle of a gun? Is it it to make defense contractors rich? Is it for jobs? Or is it for magic flying bunnies who shoot rainbows and cheap gasoline out of their little assholes to the sound of Yankee Doodle Dandy?
Or, or, is it just because you hate Barack Obama?
That's it, isn't it?
It is."

I love this section of his oh so awesome rant. Yeah for gasoline shiating bunnies.
2014-06-15 08:13:40 AM  
1 votes:
Pure democracy is an inherently bad system. Half of all people are, tautologically, below average. They shouldn't get a direct vote on all issues. That's why we have representatives.

However, by allowing people to campaign for for public office as a career, we wind up with representatives who are really only qualified to run for public office. They're less than useless at best.

The only system that is going to work is a totalitarian dictatorship of the proletariat, where people are forcibly elected to occupation specific offices by their peers and colleges by a series of mandatory elections that do not have ballots, but rather simply ask people for the best in their industry.
2014-06-15 07:59:05 AM  
1 votes:
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2014-06-15 07:23:16 AM  
1 votes:
The problem is when you suggest the people beating the war drums be the first to deploy, they don't realize their hawkishness is wrong.  All they do is find some excuse that means they shouldn't go then continue to beat.

It's especially sad when it's a veteran who wasn't in any real danger when they deployed or worse didn't deploy at all.  They have no concept of the actual danger of war because their job was in abject safety.

/the war was fine, I spent most of the time doing college work!
//the war was fine, I got plenty of flight time at 30,000 feet!
///the war was fine, I was awarded the bronze star for helping people's finances!  They don't give those out to just anyone!
2014-06-15 04:02:23 AM  
1 votes:
Here's the thing. I don't think anyone actually wants to invade Iraq again. They just want to use it against Obama any way they can. If he doesn't send troops, they'll attack him for being weak and 'losing' the Iraq war. If he does send troops, they'll attack him for being a ruthless bloodthirsty warmongering dictator.
2014-06-15 03:53:28 AM  
1 votes:
If you think that "we" would be greeted as liberators, then you should relish the idea of being at the front of the line.
 
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