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2014-06-15 09:39:10 AM  
There is actually one thing of value I have learned on Fark.com.
And that's to stay the hell out of waffle houses.
 
2014-06-15 09:43:56 AM  
Strong restriction of firearms are much more needed now. Not everyone should have to own a gun for his own protection. The individual constitution rights regarding should be abolished to curb the craziness running in the street.
 
2014-06-15 09:45:58 AM  

Warmnight: Strong restriction of firearms are much more needed now. Not everyone should have to own a gun for his own protection. The individual constitution rights regarding should be abolished to curb the craziness running in the street.


Your right to free speech should also be abolished.
 
2014-06-15 09:47:14 AM  
Why are Waffle House shootings in GA suddenly so Farkworthy?

I's like reporting on moonshine distill ing in the mountains or surfing in CA.
 
2014-06-15 09:51:48 AM  

Prophet of Loss: doglover: Poverty and lack of social mobility breeds violence. Violent places make children grow up into people violent. Violent people do things like this. You see this trend in every epoch in every nation in every history book.

But yes, guns are the problem.

Guns are a force multiplier. Granny can't even fend off a 7 year old, but she can easily take out a few people with a handgun.

Guns allow cowards to do tremendous amounts of damage with the need for any real martial skills.


Wow, so all women are cowards? Nice...
 
2014-06-15 09:53:03 AM  

Elliot8654: There is something else that prevents the strong from preying on the weak.

It's called the law. Real handy thing we got there.


img.auctiva.com
 
2014-06-15 09:53:14 AM  

doglover: Poverty and lack of social mobility breeds violence. Violent places make children grow up into people violent. Violent people do things like this. You see this trend in every epoch in every nation in every history book.

But yes, guns are the problem.


Easily available guns are what turns stupid little spats like this from a clumsy fistfight into homicide.
 
2014-06-15 09:53:23 AM  
If Iraq had a 2nd amendment insurgents might think twice before rolling into towns.  That's kind of why we have a 2nd amendment, not this 'shoot elected officials we don't like' the far right gets a boner over.
 
2014-06-15 09:56:27 AM  
According to a different article, he did not have a permit to have a concealed handgun.
 
2014-06-15 09:57:13 AM  

Elliot8654: Yogimus: Prophet of Loss: Prophet of Loss: doglover: Poverty and lack of social mobility breeds violence. Violent places make children grow up into people violent. Violent people do things like this. You see this trend in every epoch in every nation in every history book.

But yes, guns are the problem.

Guns are a force multiplier. Granny can't even fend off a 7 year old, but she can easily take out a few people with a handgun.

Guns allow cowards to do tremendous amounts of damage without the need for any real martial skills.

And prevents the strong from preying on the weak.

There is something else that prevents the strong from preying on the weak.

It's called the law. Real handy thing we got there.


I hope you can see this, because I'm rolling my eyes harder than I ever had.
 
2014-06-15 09:57:17 AM  
Summon call uh ambalamp.
 
2014-06-15 09:57:43 AM  

jehovahs witness protection: Warmnight: Strong restriction of firearms are much more needed now. Not everyone should have to own a gun for his own protection. The individual constitution rights regarding should be abolished to curb the craziness running in the street.

Your right to free speech should also be abolished.


I meant regarding firearms ownership.
 
2014-06-15 09:59:57 AM  

jaybeezey: Prophet of Loss: doglover: Poverty and lack of social mobility breeds violence. Violent places make children grow up into people violent. Violent people do things like this. You see this trend in every epoch in every nation in every history book.

But yes, guns are the problem.

Guns are a force multiplier. Granny can't even fend off a 7 year old, but she can easily take out a few people with a handgun.

Guns allow cowards to do tremendous amounts of damage with the need for any real martial skills.

Wow, so all women are cowards? Nice...


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paragraph
 
2014-06-15 10:07:25 AM  

Erik_Emune: Easily available guns are what turns stupid little spats like this from a clumsy fistfight into homicide.


Uh huh.


Brooklyn Eagle (July 10, 1897)
FOUGHT TO DEATH IN DARKNESS
Greenwood, Ark. A dance was hold at the home of Frank Finn, a miner, near the Austrian camp, last night, at which beer flowed freely. Tom Sturgai and Anthony Dollar became involved in a difficulty over a woman. When the dance was over Sturgai followed Dollar to his room and a bloody fight began. Sturgai used a long knife and Dollar defended himself with his razor. The candle was extinguished and the deadly combat continued in the dark until Sturgai lay dead, literally cut to pieces, and Dollar was fatally wounded, having received fifteen knife thrusts. The room in which the fight took place presented a gruesome sight when the duel was over, blood being spattered all over the floor, walls and furniture. Dollar's razor blade was found embedded in the body of his victim.

 
2014-06-15 10:09:59 AM  

AMonkey'sUncle: doglover: Poverty and lack of social mobility breeds violence. Violent places make children grow up into people violent. Violent people do things like this. You see this trend in every epoch in every nation in every history book.

But yes, guns are the problem.

When people drove horse-drawn wagons, there were accidents, but not the clusterfark types we can see today.

But yes cars are the problem.

/Goes back to fondling his piece.


We license drivers and augment that with frequent safety checks by police, this reduces accidents significantly.  I like to call this a well-regulated militia, of drivers.
 
2014-06-15 10:15:00 AM  

Erik_Emune: doglover: Poverty and lack of social mobility breeds violence. Violent places make children grow up into people violent. Violent people do things like this. You see this trend in every epoch in every nation in every history book.

But yes, guns are the problem.

Easily available guns are what turns stupid little spats like this from a clumsy fistfight into homicide.


yeah, a group of drunken thugs was going to *stop* after they threw water in the cooks face..

if you're arguing that the cook was somehow "obligated" to take one or more punches from the group that was threatening him, you've actually met the standard for "reasonable" force.

when you punch someone in the nose, they have a right to defend themselves with whatever they have available - gun, knife, bat, wd40 & a lighter, etc.
 
2014-06-15 10:16:20 AM  

mr lawson: Elliot8654: There is something else that prevents the strong from preying on the weak.

It's called the law. Real handy thing we got there.


Yep. So if someone throws water at you, murder them.

Problem solved. Population under control in no time.
 
2014-06-15 10:21:20 AM  
Did the victim take advantage of the special 10% Baby Daddy Day discount before shots rang out?
 
2014-06-15 10:27:11 AM  

Elliot8654: mr lawson: Elliot8654: There is something else that prevents the strong from preying on the weak.

It's called the law. Real handy thing we got there.

Yep. So if someone throws water at you, murder them.

Problem solved. Population under control in no time.


next time you're handing out bibles with your study group, why not surround a cop & throw some water in his face & tell us what happens?
 
2014-06-15 10:29:55 AM  
dispute involving unruly costumers

farking cos-players.
 
2014-06-15 10:31:12 AM  

Thinyser: I live in middle America and am very confused buy the reference to a "security guard" in a waffle house. Most banks around here don't even have guards.

Is it common for restaurants in larger cities to have their own gun toting security guards?


Blame the "neighborhood of peace"
 
2014-06-15 10:31:38 AM  

unknownshooter: Elliot8654: mr lawson: Elliot8654: There is something else that prevents the strong from preying on the weak.

It's called the law. Real handy thing we got there.

Yep. So if someone throws water at you, murder them.

Problem solved. Population under control in no time.

next time you're handing out bibles with your study group, why not surround a cop & throw some water in his face & tell us what happens?


Um, 2 problems:

1, I'm an atheist, so I would hand out bibles only as an exercise in "hey, wanna read some really evil stuff disguised as morality?"

2, the cop would knock me down and arrest me, not shoot me right off the bat. I dunno where you live and what cops you deal with....
 
2014-06-15 10:39:14 AM  

DrBrownCow: According to a different article, he did not have a permit to have a concealed handgun.


So, just a plain old Responsible Gun Owner.
 
2014-06-15 10:40:21 AM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: DrBrownCow: According to a different article, he did not have a permit to have a concealed handgun.

So, just a plain old Responsible Gun Owner.


Probably a guy with prior felonies who votes democrat 98% of the time.

Own that shiat son.
 
2014-06-15 10:41:03 AM  

dready zim: You can`t shoot someone with pudding...


But they really should try.  I mean, attractive women in bikinis should try.  Naughty women.
 
2014-06-15 10:42:06 AM  
I'm fairly certain the "I'm gonna fire you up" threat had more to do with the shooting than this "just a glass of water" angle being played up.
 
2014-06-15 10:46:39 AM  
the Cook is listed on mugshots for prior assaults and battery.
 
2014-06-15 10:48:47 AM  
Looks like the short-order cook was more of a short-temper cook.
 
2014-06-15 10:50:15 AM  

Elliot8654: mr lawson: Elliot8654: There is something else that prevents the strong from preying on the weak.

It's called the law. Real handy thing we got there.

Yep. So if someone throws water at you, murder them.

Problem solved. Population under control in no time.


Going to the water park is going to be much more interesting.
 
2014-06-15 10:50:51 AM  
As usual, all if Fark has missed the point and reason for letting this article get to print in some way.

The witness interviewed was named Ontray. Who in their right mind names a child after their favorite part of a meal?
 
2014-06-15 10:51:50 AM  

jaybeezey: As usual, all if Fark has missed the point and reason for letting this article get to print in some way.

The witness interviewed was named Ontray. Who in their right mind names a child after their favorite part of a meal?


Is that Trayvon in pig latin?
 
2014-06-15 10:52:34 AM  

Elliot8654: Yogimus: Prophet of Loss: Prophet of Loss: doglover: Poverty and lack of social mobility breeds violence. Violent places make children grow up into people violent. Violent people do things like this. You see this trend in every epoch in every nation in every history book.

But yes, guns are the problem.

Guns are a force multiplier. Granny can't even fend off a 7 year old, but she can easily take out a few people with a handgun.

Guns allow cowards to do tremendous amounts of damage without the need for any real martial skills.

And prevents the strong from preying on the weak.

There is something else that prevents the strong from preying on the weak.

It's called the law. Real handy thing we got there.


LOL

Yeah, let me know how calling the cops works for you when you face an armed intruder.
 
2014-06-15 10:52:49 AM  
He throws some water, you pull a gun.  That's the Waffle House way!
 
2014-06-15 10:54:41 AM  

wellreadneck: I'm fairly certain the "I'm gonna fire you up" threat had more to do with the shooting than this "just a glass of water" angle being played up.


This article implies the cook said "I'm gonna fire you up", however the AJC says the diner said it.

From AJC:
After that, Haley said the two men "got into it with the cook and the guy that got shot, he threatened the cook. He told him, you come outside and I'm going to fire you up, which basically meant he wanted to shoot him."
 
2014-06-15 11:00:53 AM  

joshik72: Georgia has a "Stand Your Ground" law:

http://www.georgiapacking.org/GaCode/ ?title=16&chapter=3&section=23.1

Could this apply here in the shooter's defense? If the cook felt "legimately threatened" by the behavior of the belligerent customer, would SYG grant him the right to shoot?


Well, according to the article it was several customers. The woman who threw the water had already left. If the remaining customers had moved on from threats of violence to actual assault, he wouldn't 3ven need SYG. It would b3 a simple self defense case.
 
2014-06-15 11:02:04 AM  

OliverK: NEDM: joshik72: Georgia has a "Stand Your Ground" law:

http://www.georgiapacking.org/GaCode/ ?title=16&chapter=3§ion=23.1

Could this apply here in the shooter's defense? If the cook felt "legimately threatened" by the behavior of the belligerent customer, would SYG grant him the right to shoot?

...no.  You have legitimately and reasonably feel that you were in fear of your life for that to come into play.  No matter how the guy spins it, he won't be able to justify him fearing his life just because someone threw water in his face.  Especially if there was a security guard already involved in the situation.

I don't remember the words "legitimately" and "reasonably" being in SYG laws. Can you point this out to me?


I see you guys didn't read the article all the way through.
 
2014-06-15 11:04:16 AM  

NEDM: joshik72: Georgia has a "Stand Your Ground" law:

http://www.georgiapacking.org/GaCode/ ?title=16&chapter=3§ion=23.1

Could this apply here in the shooter's defense? If the cook felt "legimately threatened" by the behavior of the belligerent customer, would SYG grant him the right to shoot?

...no.  You have legitimately and reasonably feel that you were in fear of your life for that to come into play.  No matter how the guy spins it, he won't be able to justify him fearing his life just because someone threw water in his face.  Especially if there was a security guard already involved in the situation.


Yep. Even if he honestly felt threatened, it would fail the 'reasonableness' test. That means that you can't shoot people out of irrational fears and get away with it just by claiming you feared for your life, though some people do try to paint it that way however. All SYG does is remove the need to retreat, it doesn't lower the standards for employing deadly force, which doesn't make it that different than self defense laws of any other state. SYG isn't carte blanche to shoot anyone you please, no matter how people spin it.
 
2014-06-15 11:05:48 AM  

pyrotek85: NEDM: joshik72: Georgia has a "Stand Your Ground" law:

http://www.georgiapacking.org/GaCode/ ?title=16&chapter=3§ion=23.1

Could this apply here in the shooter's defense? If the cook felt "legimately threatened" by the behavior of the belligerent customer, would SYG grant him the right to shoot?

...no.  You have legitimately and reasonably feel that you were in fear of your life for that to come into play.  No matter how the guy spins it, he won't be able to justify him fearing his life just because someone threw water in his face.  Especially if there was a security guard already involved in the situation.

Yep. Even if he honestly felt threatened, it would fail the 'reasonableness' test. That means that you can't shoot people out of irrational fears and get away with it just by claiming you feared for your life, though some people do try to paint it that way however. All SYG does is remove the need to retreat, it doesn't lower the standards for employing deadly force, which doesn't make it that different than self defense laws of any other state. SYG isn't carte blanche to shoot anyone you please, no matter how people spin it.


Read the article.
 
2014-06-15 11:07:09 AM  

jaybeezey: As usual, all if Fark has missed the point and reason for letting this article get to print in some way.

The witness interviewed was named Ontray. Who in their right mind names a child after their favorite part of a meal?


Noah?
 
2014-06-15 11:10:39 AM  
What's with the Ghetto thugs being given fake Latin names by their parents?
 
2014-06-15 11:13:46 AM  

doglover: dready zim: You can`t shoot someone with pudding...

When you're wrong, you're wrong.

[i.telegraph.co.uk image 460x288]


that`s throwing puddings, very different to shooting someone with one in the same way as shooting a gun is different from throwing a gun...

guns shoot bullets, pudding shoots...

Who`s house? wrongs house!
 
2014-06-15 11:16:18 AM  

mschwenk: pyrotek85: NEDM: joshik72: Georgia has a "Stand Your Ground" law:

http://www.georgiapacking.org/GaCode/ ?title=16&chapter=3§ion=23.1

Could this apply here in the shooter's defense? If the cook felt "legimately threatened" by the behavior of the belligerent customer, would SYG grant him the right to shoot?

...no.  You have legitimately and reasonably feel that you were in fear of your life for that to come into play.  No matter how the guy spins it, he won't be able to justify him fearing his life just because someone threw water in his face.  Especially if there was a security guard already involved in the situation.

Yep. Even if he honestly felt threatened, it would fail the 'reasonableness' test. That means that you can't shoot people out of irrational fears and get away with it just by claiming you feared for your life, though some people do try to paint it that way however. All SYG does is remove the need to retreat, it doesn't lower the standards for employing deadly force, which doesn't make it that different than self defense laws of any other state. SYG isn't carte blanche to shoot anyone you please, no matter how people spin it.

Read the article.


I did. It's not based just on how he felt, but whether his feelings were reasonable. That's my point, I was just clarifying it. Some people honestly seem to think that all you need is to feel threatened and then shooting them is ok, which would certainly make self defense laws horrifying. Fortunately that's not the case.
 
2014-06-15 11:22:28 AM  

Pattuq: What's with the Ghetto thugs being given fake Latin names by their parents?


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They should stick with real Anglo names.
 
2014-06-15 11:24:42 AM  

pyrotek85: mschwenk: pyrotek85: NEDM: joshik72: Georgia has a "Stand Your Ground" law:

http://www.georgiapacking.org/GaCode/ ?title=16&chapter=3§ion=23.1

Could this apply here in the shooter's defense? If the cook felt "legimately threatened" by the behavior of the belligerent customer, would SYG grant him the right to shoot?

...no.  You have legitimately and reasonably feel that you were in fear of your life for that to come into play.  No matter how the guy spins it, he won't be able to justify him fearing his life just because someone threw water in his face.  Especially if there was a security guard already involved in the situation.

Yep. Even if he honestly felt threatened, it would fail the 'reasonableness' test. That means that you can't shoot people out of irrational fears and get away with it just by claiming you feared for your life, though some people do try to paint it that way however. All SYG does is remove the need to retreat, it doesn't lower the standards for employing deadly force, which doesn't make it that different than self defense laws of any other state. SYG isn't carte blanche to shoot anyone you please, no matter how people spin it.

Read the article.

I did. It's not based just on how he felt, but whether his feelings were reasonable. That's my point, I was just clarifying it. Some people honestly seem to think that all you need is to feel threatened and then shooting them is ok, which would certainly make self defense laws horrifying. Fortunately that's not the case.


You not getting it. He didn't shoot the one who threw water in his face. You have one witness saying one of the customers was threatening to shoot, an another saying that the two customers "got into it" with the cook. "Got into it" is ambiguous; it could mean an argument, or it could mean they jumped the counter and physically attacked the cook. There isn't enough information here to make a determination as to a SYG or self defense claim.
 
2014-06-15 11:29:47 AM  

mschwenk: You not getting it. He didn't shoot the one who threw water in his face. You have one witness saying one of the customers was threatening to shoot, an another saying that the two customers "got into it" with the cook. "Got into it" is ambiguous; it could mean an argument, or it could mean they jumped the counter and physically attacked the cook. There isn't enough information here to make a determination as to a SYG or self defense claim.


FTFA:Police told the news station that Adrian Mosley, 33, a customer, may have thrown water into the face of Quintavius Martin, 25, the cook, who then pulled a gun, according to WSB-TV.
 
2014-06-15 11:30:10 AM  

mschwenk: pyrotek85: mschwenk: pyrotek85: NEDM: joshik72: Georgia has a "Stand Your Ground" law:

http://www.georgiapacking.org/GaCode/ ?title=16&chapter=3§ion=23.1

Could this apply here in the shooter's defense? If the cook felt "legimately threatened" by the behavior of the belligerent customer, would SYG grant him the right to shoot?

...no.  You have legitimately and reasonably feel that you were in fear of your life for that to come into play.  No matter how the guy spins it, he won't be able to justify him fearing his life just because someone threw water in his face.  Especially if there was a security guard already involved in the situation.

Yep. Even if he honestly felt threatened, it would fail the 'reasonableness' test. That means that you can't shoot people out of irrational fears and get away with it just by claiming you feared for your life, though some people do try to paint it that way however. All SYG does is remove the need to retreat, it doesn't lower the standards for employing deadly force, which doesn't make it that different than self defense laws of any other state. SYG isn't carte blanche to shoot anyone you please, no matter how people spin it.

Read the article.

I did. It's not based just on how he felt, but whether his feelings were reasonable. That's my point, I was just clarifying it. Some people honestly seem to think that all you need is to feel threatened and then shooting them is ok, which would certainly make self defense laws horrifying. Fortunately that's not the case.

You not getting it. He didn't shoot the one who threw water in his face. You have one witness saying one of the customers was threatening to shoot, an another saying that the two customers "got into it" with the cook. "Got into it" is ambiguous; it could mean an argument, or it could mean they jumped the counter and physically attacked the cook. There isn't enough information here to make a determination as to a SYG or self defense claim.


I do get it,  I never said he shot the water-thrower. I agree that there isn't enough information to determine whether he has a valid claim, which is why I haven't said he has a claim or not. All I was doing was clarifying that it needs to be more than 'I feared for my life'. The law is going to determine that after establishing the specific circumstances.
 
2014-06-15 11:32:26 AM  

stirfrybry: Elliot8654: Yogimus: Prophet of Loss: Prophet of Loss: doglover: Poverty and lack of social mobility breeds violence. Violent places make children grow up into people violent. Violent people do things like this. You see this trend in every epoch in every nation in every history book.

But yes, guns are the problem.

Guns are a force multiplier. Granny can't even fend off a 7 year old, but she can easily take out a few people with a handgun.

Guns allow cowards to do tremendous amounts of damage without the need for any real martial skills.

And prevents the strong from preying on the weak.

There is something else that prevents the strong from preying on the weak.

It's called the law. Real handy thing we got there.

LOL

Yeah, let me know how calling the cops works for you when you face an armed intruder.


Your circle jerk fantasy of being a bad-ass killing an intruder is never going to happen.
 
2014-06-15 11:35:53 AM  

NEDM: mschwenk: You not getting it. He didn't shoot the one who threw water in his face. You have one witness saying one of the customers was threatening to shoot, an another saying that the two customers "got into it" with the cook. "Got into it" is ambiguous; it could mean an argument, or it could mean they jumped the counter and physically attacked the cook. There isn't enough information here to make a determination as to a SYG or self defense claim.

FTFA:Police told the news station that Adrian Mosley, 33, a customer, may have thrown water into the face of Quintavius Martin, 25, the cook, who then pulled a gun, according to WSB-TV.


There is also the possibility that the article updated with new information in the past 3 hours.
 
2014-06-15 11:36:35 AM  

Begoggle: stirfrybry: Elliot8654: Yogimus: Prophet of Loss: Prophet of Loss: doglover: Poverty and lack of social mobility breeds violence. Violent places make children grow up into people violent. Violent people do things like this. You see this trend in every epoch in every nation in every history book.

But yes, guns are the problem.

Guns are a force multiplier. Granny can't even fend off a 7 year old, but she can easily take out a few people with a handgun.

Guns allow cowards to do tremendous amounts of damage without the need for any real martial skills.

And prevents the strong from preying on the weak.

There is something else that prevents the strong from preying on the weak.

It's called the law. Real handy thing we got there.

LOL

Yeah, let me know how calling the cops works for you when you face an armed intruder.

Your circle jerk fantasy of being a bad-ass killing an intruder is never going to happen.


Don't all these guys sit on the couch with the remote in one hand a gun in the other?
 
2014-06-15 11:46:14 AM  

Elliot8654: unknownshooter: Elliot8654: mr lawson: Elliot8654: There is something else that prevents the strong from preying on the weak.

It's called the law. Real handy thing we got there.

Yep. So if someone throws water at you, murder them.

Problem solved. Population under control in no time.

next time you're handing out bibles with your study group, why not surround a cop & throw some water in his face & tell us what happens?

Um, 2 problems:

1, I'm an atheist, so I would hand out bibles only as an exercise in "hey, wanna read some really evil stuff disguised as morality?"

2, the cop would knock me down and arrest me, not shoot me right off the bat. I dunno where you live and what cops you deal with....



The OPs argument was good, but needs tweaking.   Instead of a cop, go throw a cup of water into the face of your run of the mill ghetto fabulous gang banger who's also probably intoxicated. Who also has a small group of his buddies with him.  What do you think is going to happen?  They are going to beat you till you stop moving, the trick at that point is to hope you don't die.

We've seen people getting beaten nearly to death for far less. (Remember the guy who accidentally hit some kid when the kid darted INTO the street)  The entire block beat him nearly to death when all he was trying to do is stop and help.

In situations like this -- at what point do the anti-gun people feel you have the right to use deadly force to defend yourself? If someone has a gun pointed at me, but hasn't fired, would you try to make some crazy argument that I shouldn't have defended myself because "he could have changed his mind and not fired at me"

Anyone with half a brain and some common sense knows not to go through life acting like an asshole and throwing water in peoples face or starting fights. Because one day you will try to pull some shiat on someone who's right at their breaking point and will balance out your Karma for you just like in this situation.

I feel a tiny bit bad for the cook -- he's working a shiat job for shiat pay, and then he has to deal with this (I'm betting it's not the first time). He just snapped, at least though he made the world a slightly easier place to live in by taking out a human piece of trash.
 
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