Do you have adblock enabled?
If you can read this, either the style sheet didn't load or you have an older browser that doesn't support style sheets. Try clearing your browser cache and refreshing the page.

(The Root)   Another school shooting rocks the nation. Well, substitute "Waffle House" for "school," and change "rocks the nation" to "surprises nobody"   (theroot.com) divider line 138
    More: Sad  
•       •       •

4560 clicks; posted to Main » on 15 Jun 2014 at 8:09 AM (50 weeks ago)   |  Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



138 Comments   (+0 »)
   
View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2014-06-15 06:53:44 AM  
The only thing that can stop an unruly customer with a glass of water is a not-very-bright man with a gun.
 
2014-06-15 07:24:21 AM  
Poverty and lack of social mobility breeds violence. Violent places make children grow up into people violent. Violent people do things like this. You see this trend in every epoch in every nation in every history book.

But yes, guns are the problem.
 
2014-06-15 08:12:15 AM  
To be fair, the customer asked for scattered and chunked.
 
2014-06-15 08:12:44 AM  
 
2014-06-15 08:14:33 AM  
Well I'll bet he won't be throwing water at people again!
 
2014-06-15 08:21:38 AM  
Yes, my fathers day breakfast was at Waffle House.
I didn't see any gun play at all.
 
Rat [TotalFark]
2014-06-15 08:21:42 AM  
When drunk and unruly, the only thing you need to be able to do in Waffle House is say the words "All Star".  Everything else and you're just being a dick.

™  and now I'm hungry
 
2014-06-15 08:21:54 AM  
"Rocks the nation"

Well if you mean simply reporting what has been going on for decades, but is now suddenly considered perhaps unacceptable by societal norms, then yes, "rocks the nation" it is.  Now I'm all for reporting unnecessary deaths on any level, but ask yourself this - who or what agenda suddenly decided this had to be front page news every day.  Answer that and you will find money/votes/influence..
 
2014-06-15 08:22:20 AM  
"What does this sticky note mean, that my next pickup is here in the Waffle House?"

lifeoblog.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-06-15 08:23:29 AM  
I'm surprised it wasn't reported as "less than X miles from a school!".
 
2014-06-15 08:24:08 AM  

doglover: Poverty and lack of social mobility breeds violence. Violent places make children grow up into people violent. Violent people do things like this. You see this trend in every epoch in every nation in every history book.

But yes, guns are the problem.


guns? No. Access to them by the mentally ill and unstable without a good way of screening for it? Yes.

Two separate issues, doglover
 
2014-06-15 08:25:33 AM  
Shiat. I live in Atlanta and I'd love to know which one this was. All TFA has is "a Waffle House in Fulton County, GA", which narrows the field to about 1,000,000 restaurants...
 
2014-06-15 08:27:46 AM  
So Waffle House is like Chuck E. Cheese for adults?
 
2014-06-15 08:27:59 AM  

doglover: Poverty and lack of social mobility breeds violence. Violent places make children grow up into people violent. Violent people do things like this. You see this trend in every epoch in every nation in every history book.

But yes, guns are the problem.


When people drove horse-drawn wagons, there were accidents, but not the clusterfark types we can see today.

But yes cars are the problem.

/Goes back to fondling his piece.
 
2014-06-15 08:28:15 AM  
I live in middle America and am very confused buy the reference to a "security guard" in a waffle house. Most banks around here don't even have guards.

Is it common for restaurants in larger cities to have their own gun toting security guards?
 
Rat [TotalFark]
2014-06-15 08:28:37 AM  

firesign: Shiat. I live in Atlanta and I'd love to know which one this was. All TFA has is "a Waffle House in Fulton County, GA", which narrows the field to about 1,000,000 restaurants...


Its the one down the street from "The Club".

™ that sounded funnier when I said it out loud
 
2014-06-15 08:29:26 AM  
Georgia has a "Stand Your Ground" law:

http://www.georgiapacking.org/GaCode/ ?title=16&chapter=3&section=23.1

Could this apply here in the shooter's defense? If the cook felt "legimately threatened" by the behavior of the belligerent customer, would SYG grant him the right to shoot?
 
2014-06-15 08:31:34 AM  
Fast forward to later this afternoon with the obligatory family statement: "He was such a nice guy, a good guy, who never did anything wrong."
 
2014-06-15 08:32:15 AM  

Thinyser: I live in middle America and am very confused buy the reference to a "security guard" in a waffle house. Most banks around here don't even have guards.

Is it common for restaurants in larger cities to have their own gun toting security guards?


Depends on the area I suppose. Out in the burbs where I live now, almost no one has a security guard. When I lived in the city (Chicago) even Home Depot  had armed security guards.
 
2014-06-15 08:34:02 AM  

doglover: Poverty and lack of social mobility breeds violence. Violent places make children grow up into people violent. Violent people do things like this. You see this trend in every epoch in every nation in every history book.

But yes, guns are the problem.


Surely if this is in every epoch of every nation, giving those people access to guns is the worst thing you could do?

You can`t shoot someone with pudding...
 
2014-06-15 08:34:03 AM  

joshik72: Georgia has a "Stand Your Ground" law:

http://www.georgiapacking.org/GaCode/ ?title=16&chapter=3§ion=23.1

Could this apply here in the shooter's defense? If the cook felt "legimately threatened" by the behavior of the belligerent customer, would SYG grant him the right to shoot?


...no.  You have legitimately and reasonably feel that you were in fear of your life for that to come into play.  No matter how the guy spins it, he won't be able to justify him fearing his life just because someone threw water in his face.  Especially if there was a security guard already involved in the situation.
 
2014-06-15 08:38:14 AM  
not sure why so many are ready to assume this isnt self defense? - a group of people, closing in on the cook, threatening him & throwing water..

are you supposed to let them start punching you? How many times can they punch you before it's ok to shoot?
 
2014-06-15 08:39:40 AM  

dready zim: You can`t shoot someone with pudding...


When you're wrong, you're wrong.

i.telegraph.co.uk
 
2014-06-15 08:41:45 AM  

doglover: You see this trend in every epoch in every nation in every history book.


Which is why every other developed nation on earth sees a similar level of gun violence.
 
2014-06-15 08:42:24 AM  

doglover: Poverty and lack of social mobility breeds violence. Violent places make children grow up into people violent. Violent people do things like this. You see this trend in every epoch in every nation in every history book.

But yes, guns are the problem.


Guns are a force multiplier. Granny can't even fend off a 7 year old, but she can easily take out a few people with a handgun.

Guns allow cowards to do tremendous amounts of damage with the need for any real martial skills.
 
2014-06-15 08:43:19 AM  

Prophet of Loss: doglover: Poverty and lack of social mobility breeds violence. Violent places make children grow up into people violent. Violent people do things like this. You see this trend in every epoch in every nation in every history book.

But yes, guns are the problem.

Guns are a force multiplier. Granny can't even fend off a 7 year old, but she can easily take out a few people with a handgun.

Guns allow cowards to do tremendous amounts of damage without the need for any real martial skills.

 
2014-06-15 08:45:53 AM  

NEDM: joshik72: Georgia has a "Stand Your Ground" law:

http://www.georgiapacking.org/GaCode/ ?title=16&chapter=3§ion=23.1

Could this apply here in the shooter's defense? If the cook felt "legimately threatened" by the behavior of the belligerent customer, would SYG grant him the right to shoot?

...no.  You have legitimately and reasonably feel that you were in fear of your life for that to come into play.  No matter how the guy spins it, he won't be able to justify him fearing his life just because someone threw water in his face.  Especially if there was a security guard already involved in the situation.


If the shooter was white and the victim black, I guarantee you not only would he have that defense, but the entire right wing media machine would be behind him.

And I also guarantee you, if a belligerent, enraged guy throws water on you and threatens to smash your face in with the glass it came from, you would feel threatened.

Full story has yet to come out, I'm sure.
 
2014-06-15 08:46:06 AM  

Prophet of Loss: Prophet of Loss: doglover: Poverty and lack of social mobility breeds violence. Violent places make children grow up into people violent. Violent people do things like this. You see this trend in every epoch in every nation in every history book.

But yes, guns are the problem.

Guns are a force multiplier. Granny can't even fend off a 7 year old, but she can easily take out a few people with a handgun.

Guns allow cowards to do tremendous amounts of damage without the need for any real martial skills.


And prevents the strong from preying on the weak.
 
2014-06-15 08:46:14 AM  

Prophet of Loss: doglover: Poverty and lack of social mobility breeds violence. Violent places make children grow up into people violent. Violent people do things like this. You see this trend in every epoch in every nation in every history book.

But yes, guns are the problem.

Guns are a force multiplier. Granny can't even fend off a 7 year old, but she can easily take out a few people with a handgun.

Guns allow cowards to do tremendous amounts of damage with the need for any real martial skills.


thats why cops carry them?
 
2014-06-15 08:46:17 AM  

NEDM: joshik72: Georgia has a "Stand Your Ground" law:

http://www.georgiapacking.org/GaCode/ ?title=16&chapter=3§ion=23.1

Could this apply here in the shooter's defense? If the cook felt "legimately threatened" by the behavior of the belligerent customer, would SYG grant him the right to shoot?

...no.  You have legitimately and reasonably feel that you were in fear of your life for that to come into play.  No matter how the guy spins it, he won't be able to justify him fearing his life just because someone threw water in his face.  Especially if there was a security guard already involved in the situation.


I don't remember the words "legitimately" and "reasonably" being in SYG laws. Can you point this out to me?
 
2014-06-15 08:46:34 AM  

firesign: Shiat. I live in Atlanta and I'd love to know which one this was. All TFA has is "a Waffle House in Fulton County, GA", which narrows the field to about 1,000,000 restaurants...


Fulton Industrial.
VERY bad part of town.
http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/person-shot-fulton-county-waffl e- house/ngKjW/
 
2014-06-15 08:51:43 AM  

Thinyser: I live in middle America and am very confused buy the reference to a "security guard" in a waffle house. Most banks around here don't even have guards.

Is it common for restaurants in larger cities to have their own gun toting security guards?


Security! Suh-curity!.
 
2014-06-15 08:53:05 AM  
Let see...

Shooter is Arab? Terrorist.

Shooter is black? Culture of violence.

Shooter is white? Mental illness.
 
2014-06-15 08:54:15 AM  
Guns don't kill people, people kill people.

Guns just make it really, really easy.
 
2014-06-15 08:57:46 AM  
There are 40 murders a day in the US. They get reported in local news, but as a nation, they are "dog bites man" story unless something really interesting happens about the case.
There are 90 suicides you won't here about.
There are 500 deaths from medical mistakes you'll hear farkall about.
 
2014-06-15 08:58:49 AM  

firesign: Shiat. I live in Atlanta and I'd love to know which one this was. All TFA has is "a Waffle House in Fulton County, GA", which narrows the field to about 1,000,000 restaurants...


3.bp.blogspot.com
Look for the one with a SECURITY GUARD and an angry cook named Quintavius

A security guard?  At a Waffle House?

Sounds like a nice neighborhood  <rolls eyes>
 
2014-06-15 08:58:56 AM  
Don't worry, Bloomberg's apparatus will report it as a school shooting if they can find a way to spin it as such.
 
2014-06-15 09:03:50 AM  

unknownshooter: Prophet of Loss: doglover: Poverty and lack of social mobility breeds violence. Violent places make children grow up into people violent. Violent people do things like this. You see this trend in every epoch in every nation in every history book.

But yes, guns are the problem.

Guns are a force multiplier. Granny can't even fend off a 7 year old, but she can easily take out a few people with a handgun.

Guns allow cowards to do tremendous amounts of damage with the need for any real martial skills.

thats why cops carry them?


Cops carry them because crooks have them. Most Cops in Western Europe do not carry guns.
 
2014-06-15 09:04:37 AM  
Isn't America Great!

Let's play USA
How I love the life I lead
Cannot think and cannot read
Watch our values slip away
Play the game of USA

Won't it be a lot of fun
Every man will own a gun
Shoot the ones whose point of view
Makes a point that bothers you
Go on and pollute the land
Clean air will be sold in cans
Did you hear the master plan
One nation under Disneyland
Let's play USA....
 
2014-06-15 09:05:40 AM  

farkmedown: Don't worry, Bloomberg's apparatus will report it as a school shooting if they can find a way to spin it as such.


Clearly subby has never been to PG county Maryland or large parts of Detroit, Chicago, and other U.S. cities.

The idea seems to be to broadcast any crime with a gun as part of a new epidemic of gun violence. Except it's nothing new.


Meanwhile a 4 year old was run over by a cokehead near my town and it didnt make the news anywhere.
 
2014-06-15 09:05:49 AM  

Yogimus: Prophet of Loss: Prophet of Loss: doglover: Poverty and lack of social mobility breeds violence. Violent places make children grow up into people violent. Violent people do things like this. You see this trend in every epoch in every nation in every history book.

But yes, guns are the problem.

Guns are a force multiplier. Granny can't even fend off a 7 year old, but she can easily take out a few people with a handgun.

Guns allow cowards to do tremendous amounts of damage without the need for any real martial skills.

And prevents the strong from preying on the weak.


It also allows any crazy SOB to kills dozens. If everyone has guns then you have multiple people firing at each other. All this means is more innocents dead. But don't let any of this interrupt your Guns & Ammo fap session (how do you get the lube on the tweezers?).
 
2014-06-15 09:06:33 AM  

farkmedown: Don't worry, Bloomberg's apparatus will report it as a school shooting if they can find a way to spin it as such.


Kind of getting a kick out of how many farkers regard children and teens being murdered as such a tedious nuisance.

/why are people getting so worked up about all this death? Everyone's gonna die anyway
 
2014-06-15 09:09:46 AM  

Yogimus: Prophet of Loss: Prophet of Loss: doglover: Poverty and lack of social mobility breeds violence. Violent places make children grow up into people violent. Violent people do things like this. You see this trend in every epoch in every nation in every history book.

But yes, guns are the problem.

Guns are a force multiplier. Granny can't even fend off a 7 year old, but she can easily take out a few people with a handgun.

Guns allow cowards to do tremendous amounts of damage without the need for any real martial skills.

And prevents the strong from preying on the weak.


There is something else that prevents the strong from preying on the weak.

It's called the law. Real handy thing we got there.
 
2014-06-15 09:16:17 AM  
img.fark.net
Approves.
 
2014-06-15 09:16:20 AM  

Prophet of Loss: Yogimus: Prophet of Loss: Prophet of Loss: doglover: Poverty and lack of social mobility breeds violence. Violent places make children grow up into people violent. Violent people do things like this. You see this trend in every epoch in every nation in every history book.

But yes, guns are the problem.

Guns are a force multiplier. Granny can't even fend off a 7 year old, but she can easily take out a few people with a handgun.

Guns allow cowards to do tremendous amounts of damage without the need for any real martial skills.

And prevents the strong from preying on the weak.

It also allows any crazy SOB to kills dozens. If everyone has guns then you have multiple people firing at each other. All this means is more innocents dead. But don't let any of this interrupt your Guns & Ammo fap session (how do you get the lube on the tweezers?).


My penis allows me to rape dozens.  My hands allow me to strangle dozens.  My feet allow me to kick the shiat out of dozens.  My halitosis allows me to sicken dozens.  My eyes allow me to 'evil eye' dozens.

Keep a gun.  Just don't be a dick about it.
 
2014-06-15 09:20:21 AM  
What a cook with a gun might look like

i57.tinypic.com
 
2014-06-15 09:21:11 AM  
I find this unsurprising.  24-hour breakfast places breed violence.

"It was crowded. People were just coming from the club up the street."

And that's why.
 
2014-06-15 09:23:43 AM  

doglover: Poverty and lack of social mobility breeds violence. Violent places make children grow up into people violent. Violent people do things like this. You see this trend in every epoch in every nation in every history book.

But yes, guns are the problem.


Poverty is the flame, social immobility is the fuse, and guns are the bomb that will blow your mind. Wait, what?

/sorry gun thread fatigue, had to be silly ;p
 
2014-06-15 09:27:38 AM  

OliverK: NEDM: joshik72: Georgia has a "Stand Your Ground" law:

http://www.georgiapacking.org/GaCode/ ?title=16&chapter=3§ion=23.1

Could this apply here in the shooter's defense? If the cook felt "legimately threatened" by the behavior of the belligerent customer, would SYG grant him the right to shoot?

...no.  You have legitimately and reasonably feel that you were in fear of your life for that to come into play.  No matter how the guy spins it, he won't be able to justify him fearing his life just because someone threw water in his face.  Especially if there was a security guard already involved in the situation.

I don't remember the words "legitimately" and "reasonably" being in SYG laws. Can you point this out to me?


Right here:

O.C.G.A. § 16-3-21
Use of force in defense of self or others; evidence of belief that force was necessary in murder or manslaughter prosecution


(a) A person is justified in threatening or using force against another when and to the extent that he or she reasonably believes that such threat or force is necessary to defend himself or herself or a third person against such other's imminent use of unlawful force; however, except as provided in Code Section 16-3-23, a person is justified in using force which is intended or likely to cause death or great bodily harm only if he or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent death or great bodily injury to himself or herself or a third person or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.

Also, in the very next section of the law, it says that if you intentionally start a fight just so you can pull the "Self Defense" card and shoot someone, it isn't self-defense and your ass is grass.
 
2014-06-15 09:35:33 AM  

ChuckRoddy: There are 40 murders a day in the US. They get reported in local news, but as a nation, they are "dog bites man" story unless something really interesting happens about the case.
There are 90 suicides you won't here about.
There are 500 deaths from medical mistakes you'll hear farkall about.


Citation needed on the last part. Medical malpractice killed 1,500 last year per the CDC. Your numbers would put it as one of the top ten causes of morbidity and mortality in the US.

Wait, wait. I got this one. It's a conspiracy.
 
2014-06-15 09:39:10 AM  
There is actually one thing of value I have learned on Fark.com.
And that's to stay the hell out of waffle houses.
 
2014-06-15 09:43:56 AM  
Strong restriction of firearms are much more needed now. Not everyone should have to own a gun for his own protection. The individual constitution rights regarding should be abolished to curb the craziness running in the street.
 
2014-06-15 09:45:58 AM  

Warmnight: Strong restriction of firearms are much more needed now. Not everyone should have to own a gun for his own protection. The individual constitution rights regarding should be abolished to curb the craziness running in the street.


Your right to free speech should also be abolished.
 
2014-06-15 09:47:14 AM  
Why are Waffle House shootings in GA suddenly so Farkworthy?

I's like reporting on moonshine distill ing in the mountains or surfing in CA.
 
2014-06-15 09:51:48 AM  

Prophet of Loss: doglover: Poverty and lack of social mobility breeds violence. Violent places make children grow up into people violent. Violent people do things like this. You see this trend in every epoch in every nation in every history book.

But yes, guns are the problem.

Guns are a force multiplier. Granny can't even fend off a 7 year old, but she can easily take out a few people with a handgun.

Guns allow cowards to do tremendous amounts of damage with the need for any real martial skills.


Wow, so all women are cowards? Nice...
 
2014-06-15 09:53:03 AM  

Elliot8654: There is something else that prevents the strong from preying on the weak.

It's called the law. Real handy thing we got there.


img.auctiva.com
 
2014-06-15 09:53:14 AM  

doglover: Poverty and lack of social mobility breeds violence. Violent places make children grow up into people violent. Violent people do things like this. You see this trend in every epoch in every nation in every history book.

But yes, guns are the problem.


Easily available guns are what turns stupid little spats like this from a clumsy fistfight into homicide.
 
2014-06-15 09:53:23 AM  
If Iraq had a 2nd amendment insurgents might think twice before rolling into towns.  That's kind of why we have a 2nd amendment, not this 'shoot elected officials we don't like' the far right gets a boner over.
 
2014-06-15 09:56:27 AM  
According to a different article, he did not have a permit to have a concealed handgun.
 
2014-06-15 09:57:13 AM  

Elliot8654: Yogimus: Prophet of Loss: Prophet of Loss: doglover: Poverty and lack of social mobility breeds violence. Violent places make children grow up into people violent. Violent people do things like this. You see this trend in every epoch in every nation in every history book.

But yes, guns are the problem.

Guns are a force multiplier. Granny can't even fend off a 7 year old, but she can easily take out a few people with a handgun.

Guns allow cowards to do tremendous amounts of damage without the need for any real martial skills.

And prevents the strong from preying on the weak.

There is something else that prevents the strong from preying on the weak.

It's called the law. Real handy thing we got there.


I hope you can see this, because I'm rolling my eyes harder than I ever had.
 
2014-06-15 09:57:17 AM  
Summon call uh ambalamp.
 
2014-06-15 09:57:43 AM  

jehovahs witness protection: Warmnight: Strong restriction of firearms are much more needed now. Not everyone should have to own a gun for his own protection. The individual constitution rights regarding should be abolished to curb the craziness running in the street.

Your right to free speech should also be abolished.


I meant regarding firearms ownership.
 
2014-06-15 09:59:57 AM  

jaybeezey: Prophet of Loss: doglover: Poverty and lack of social mobility breeds violence. Violent places make children grow up into people violent. Violent people do things like this. You see this trend in every epoch in every nation in every history book.

But yes, guns are the problem.

Guns are a force multiplier. Granny can't even fend off a 7 year old, but she can easily take out a few people with a handgun.

Guns allow cowards to do tremendous amounts of damage with the need for any real martial skills.

Wow, so all women are cowards? Nice...


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paragraph
 
2014-06-15 10:07:25 AM  

Erik_Emune: Easily available guns are what turns stupid little spats like this from a clumsy fistfight into homicide.


Uh huh.


Brooklyn Eagle (July 10, 1897)
FOUGHT TO DEATH IN DARKNESS
Greenwood, Ark. A dance was hold at the home of Frank Finn, a miner, near the Austrian camp, last night, at which beer flowed freely. Tom Sturgai and Anthony Dollar became involved in a difficulty over a woman. When the dance was over Sturgai followed Dollar to his room and a bloody fight began. Sturgai used a long knife and Dollar defended himself with his razor. The candle was extinguished and the deadly combat continued in the dark until Sturgai lay dead, literally cut to pieces, and Dollar was fatally wounded, having received fifteen knife thrusts. The room in which the fight took place presented a gruesome sight when the duel was over, blood being spattered all over the floor, walls and furniture. Dollar's razor blade was found embedded in the body of his victim.

 
2014-06-15 10:09:59 AM  

AMonkey'sUncle: doglover: Poverty and lack of social mobility breeds violence. Violent places make children grow up into people violent. Violent people do things like this. You see this trend in every epoch in every nation in every history book.

But yes, guns are the problem.

When people drove horse-drawn wagons, there were accidents, but not the clusterfark types we can see today.

But yes cars are the problem.

/Goes back to fondling his piece.


We license drivers and augment that with frequent safety checks by police, this reduces accidents significantly.  I like to call this a well-regulated militia, of drivers.
 
2014-06-15 10:15:00 AM  

Erik_Emune: doglover: Poverty and lack of social mobility breeds violence. Violent places make children grow up into people violent. Violent people do things like this. You see this trend in every epoch in every nation in every history book.

But yes, guns are the problem.

Easily available guns are what turns stupid little spats like this from a clumsy fistfight into homicide.


yeah, a group of drunken thugs was going to *stop* after they threw water in the cooks face..

if you're arguing that the cook was somehow "obligated" to take one or more punches from the group that was threatening him, you've actually met the standard for "reasonable" force.

when you punch someone in the nose, they have a right to defend themselves with whatever they have available - gun, knife, bat, wd40 & a lighter, etc.
 
2014-06-15 10:16:20 AM  

mr lawson: Elliot8654: There is something else that prevents the strong from preying on the weak.

It's called the law. Real handy thing we got there.


Yep. So if someone throws water at you, murder them.

Problem solved. Population under control in no time.
 
2014-06-15 10:21:20 AM  
Did the victim take advantage of the special 10% Baby Daddy Day discount before shots rang out?
 
2014-06-15 10:27:11 AM  

Elliot8654: mr lawson: Elliot8654: There is something else that prevents the strong from preying on the weak.

It's called the law. Real handy thing we got there.

Yep. So if someone throws water at you, murder them.

Problem solved. Population under control in no time.


next time you're handing out bibles with your study group, why not surround a cop & throw some water in his face & tell us what happens?
 
2014-06-15 10:29:55 AM  
dispute involving unruly costumers

farking cos-players.
 
2014-06-15 10:31:12 AM  

Thinyser: I live in middle America and am very confused buy the reference to a "security guard" in a waffle house. Most banks around here don't even have guards.

Is it common for restaurants in larger cities to have their own gun toting security guards?


Blame the "neighborhood of peace"
 
2014-06-15 10:31:38 AM  

unknownshooter: Elliot8654: mr lawson: Elliot8654: There is something else that prevents the strong from preying on the weak.

It's called the law. Real handy thing we got there.

Yep. So if someone throws water at you, murder them.

Problem solved. Population under control in no time.

next time you're handing out bibles with your study group, why not surround a cop & throw some water in his face & tell us what happens?


Um, 2 problems:

1, I'm an atheist, so I would hand out bibles only as an exercise in "hey, wanna read some really evil stuff disguised as morality?"

2, the cop would knock me down and arrest me, not shoot me right off the bat. I dunno where you live and what cops you deal with....
 
2014-06-15 10:39:14 AM  

DrBrownCow: According to a different article, he did not have a permit to have a concealed handgun.


So, just a plain old Responsible Gun Owner.
 
2014-06-15 10:40:21 AM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: DrBrownCow: According to a different article, he did not have a permit to have a concealed handgun.

So, just a plain old Responsible Gun Owner.


Probably a guy with prior felonies who votes democrat 98% of the time.

Own that shiat son.
 
2014-06-15 10:41:03 AM  

dready zim: You can`t shoot someone with pudding...


But they really should try.  I mean, attractive women in bikinis should try.  Naughty women.
 
2014-06-15 10:42:06 AM  
I'm fairly certain the "I'm gonna fire you up" threat had more to do with the shooting than this "just a glass of water" angle being played up.
 
2014-06-15 10:46:39 AM  
the Cook is listed on mugshots for prior assaults and battery.
 
2014-06-15 10:48:47 AM  
Looks like the short-order cook was more of a short-temper cook.
 
2014-06-15 10:50:15 AM  

Elliot8654: mr lawson: Elliot8654: There is something else that prevents the strong from preying on the weak.

It's called the law. Real handy thing we got there.

Yep. So if someone throws water at you, murder them.

Problem solved. Population under control in no time.


Going to the water park is going to be much more interesting.
 
2014-06-15 10:50:51 AM  
As usual, all if Fark has missed the point and reason for letting this article get to print in some way.

The witness interviewed was named Ontray. Who in their right mind names a child after their favorite part of a meal?
 
2014-06-15 10:51:50 AM  

jaybeezey: As usual, all if Fark has missed the point and reason for letting this article get to print in some way.

The witness interviewed was named Ontray. Who in their right mind names a child after their favorite part of a meal?


Is that Trayvon in pig latin?
 
2014-06-15 10:52:34 AM  

Elliot8654: Yogimus: Prophet of Loss: Prophet of Loss: doglover: Poverty and lack of social mobility breeds violence. Violent places make children grow up into people violent. Violent people do things like this. You see this trend in every epoch in every nation in every history book.

But yes, guns are the problem.

Guns are a force multiplier. Granny can't even fend off a 7 year old, but she can easily take out a few people with a handgun.

Guns allow cowards to do tremendous amounts of damage without the need for any real martial skills.

And prevents the strong from preying on the weak.

There is something else that prevents the strong from preying on the weak.

It's called the law. Real handy thing we got there.


LOL

Yeah, let me know how calling the cops works for you when you face an armed intruder.
 
2014-06-15 10:52:49 AM  
He throws some water, you pull a gun.  That's the Waffle House way!
 
2014-06-15 10:54:41 AM  

wellreadneck: I'm fairly certain the "I'm gonna fire you up" threat had more to do with the shooting than this "just a glass of water" angle being played up.


This article implies the cook said "I'm gonna fire you up", however the AJC says the diner said it.

From AJC:
After that, Haley said the two men "got into it with the cook and the guy that got shot, he threatened the cook. He told him, you come outside and I'm going to fire you up, which basically meant he wanted to shoot him."
 
2014-06-15 11:00:53 AM  

joshik72: Georgia has a "Stand Your Ground" law:

http://www.georgiapacking.org/GaCode/ ?title=16&chapter=3&section=23.1

Could this apply here in the shooter's defense? If the cook felt "legimately threatened" by the behavior of the belligerent customer, would SYG grant him the right to shoot?


Well, according to the article it was several customers. The woman who threw the water had already left. If the remaining customers had moved on from threats of violence to actual assault, he wouldn't 3ven need SYG. It would b3 a simple self defense case.
 
2014-06-15 11:02:04 AM  

OliverK: NEDM: joshik72: Georgia has a "Stand Your Ground" law:

http://www.georgiapacking.org/GaCode/ ?title=16&chapter=3§ion=23.1

Could this apply here in the shooter's defense? If the cook felt "legimately threatened" by the behavior of the belligerent customer, would SYG grant him the right to shoot?

...no.  You have legitimately and reasonably feel that you were in fear of your life for that to come into play.  No matter how the guy spins it, he won't be able to justify him fearing his life just because someone threw water in his face.  Especially if there was a security guard already involved in the situation.

I don't remember the words "legitimately" and "reasonably" being in SYG laws. Can you point this out to me?


I see you guys didn't read the article all the way through.
 
2014-06-15 11:04:16 AM  

NEDM: joshik72: Georgia has a "Stand Your Ground" law:

http://www.georgiapacking.org/GaCode/ ?title=16&chapter=3§ion=23.1

Could this apply here in the shooter's defense? If the cook felt "legimately threatened" by the behavior of the belligerent customer, would SYG grant him the right to shoot?

...no.  You have legitimately and reasonably feel that you were in fear of your life for that to come into play.  No matter how the guy spins it, he won't be able to justify him fearing his life just because someone threw water in his face.  Especially if there was a security guard already involved in the situation.


Yep. Even if he honestly felt threatened, it would fail the 'reasonableness' test. That means that you can't shoot people out of irrational fears and get away with it just by claiming you feared for your life, though some people do try to paint it that way however. All SYG does is remove the need to retreat, it doesn't lower the standards for employing deadly force, which doesn't make it that different than self defense laws of any other state. SYG isn't carte blanche to shoot anyone you please, no matter how people spin it.
 
2014-06-15 11:05:48 AM  

pyrotek85: NEDM: joshik72: Georgia has a "Stand Your Ground" law:

http://www.georgiapacking.org/GaCode/ ?title=16&chapter=3§ion=23.1

Could this apply here in the shooter's defense? If the cook felt "legimately threatened" by the behavior of the belligerent customer, would SYG grant him the right to shoot?

...no.  You have legitimately and reasonably feel that you were in fear of your life for that to come into play.  No matter how the guy spins it, he won't be able to justify him fearing his life just because someone threw water in his face.  Especially if there was a security guard already involved in the situation.

Yep. Even if he honestly felt threatened, it would fail the 'reasonableness' test. That means that you can't shoot people out of irrational fears and get away with it just by claiming you feared for your life, though some people do try to paint it that way however. All SYG does is remove the need to retreat, it doesn't lower the standards for employing deadly force, which doesn't make it that different than self defense laws of any other state. SYG isn't carte blanche to shoot anyone you please, no matter how people spin it.


Read the article.
 
2014-06-15 11:07:09 AM  

jaybeezey: As usual, all if Fark has missed the point and reason for letting this article get to print in some way.

The witness interviewed was named Ontray. Who in their right mind names a child after their favorite part of a meal?


Noah?
 
2014-06-15 11:10:39 AM  
What's with the Ghetto thugs being given fake Latin names by their parents?
 
2014-06-15 11:13:46 AM  

doglover: dready zim: You can`t shoot someone with pudding...

When you're wrong, you're wrong.

[i.telegraph.co.uk image 460x288]


that`s throwing puddings, very different to shooting someone with one in the same way as shooting a gun is different from throwing a gun...

guns shoot bullets, pudding shoots...

Who`s house? wrongs house!
 
2014-06-15 11:16:18 AM  

mschwenk: pyrotek85: NEDM: joshik72: Georgia has a "Stand Your Ground" law:

http://www.georgiapacking.org/GaCode/ ?title=16&chapter=3§ion=23.1

Could this apply here in the shooter's defense? If the cook felt "legimately threatened" by the behavior of the belligerent customer, would SYG grant him the right to shoot?

...no.  You have legitimately and reasonably feel that you were in fear of your life for that to come into play.  No matter how the guy spins it, he won't be able to justify him fearing his life just because someone threw water in his face.  Especially if there was a security guard already involved in the situation.

Yep. Even if he honestly felt threatened, it would fail the 'reasonableness' test. That means that you can't shoot people out of irrational fears and get away with it just by claiming you feared for your life, though some people do try to paint it that way however. All SYG does is remove the need to retreat, it doesn't lower the standards for employing deadly force, which doesn't make it that different than self defense laws of any other state. SYG isn't carte blanche to shoot anyone you please, no matter how people spin it.

Read the article.


I did. It's not based just on how he felt, but whether his feelings were reasonable. That's my point, I was just clarifying it. Some people honestly seem to think that all you need is to feel threatened and then shooting them is ok, which would certainly make self defense laws horrifying. Fortunately that's not the case.
 
2014-06-15 11:22:28 AM  

Pattuq: What's with the Ghetto thugs being given fake Latin names by their parents?


media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com
They should stick with real Anglo names.
 
2014-06-15 11:24:42 AM  

pyrotek85: mschwenk: pyrotek85: NEDM: joshik72: Georgia has a "Stand Your Ground" law:

http://www.georgiapacking.org/GaCode/ ?title=16&chapter=3§ion=23.1

Could this apply here in the shooter's defense? If the cook felt "legimately threatened" by the behavior of the belligerent customer, would SYG grant him the right to shoot?

...no.  You have legitimately and reasonably feel that you were in fear of your life for that to come into play.  No matter how the guy spins it, he won't be able to justify him fearing his life just because someone threw water in his face.  Especially if there was a security guard already involved in the situation.

Yep. Even if he honestly felt threatened, it would fail the 'reasonableness' test. That means that you can't shoot people out of irrational fears and get away with it just by claiming you feared for your life, though some people do try to paint it that way however. All SYG does is remove the need to retreat, it doesn't lower the standards for employing deadly force, which doesn't make it that different than self defense laws of any other state. SYG isn't carte blanche to shoot anyone you please, no matter how people spin it.

Read the article.

I did. It's not based just on how he felt, but whether his feelings were reasonable. That's my point, I was just clarifying it. Some people honestly seem to think that all you need is to feel threatened and then shooting them is ok, which would certainly make self defense laws horrifying. Fortunately that's not the case.


You not getting it. He didn't shoot the one who threw water in his face. You have one witness saying one of the customers was threatening to shoot, an another saying that the two customers "got into it" with the cook. "Got into it" is ambiguous; it could mean an argument, or it could mean they jumped the counter and physically attacked the cook. There isn't enough information here to make a determination as to a SYG or self defense claim.
 
2014-06-15 11:29:47 AM  

mschwenk: You not getting it. He didn't shoot the one who threw water in his face. You have one witness saying one of the customers was threatening to shoot, an another saying that the two customers "got into it" with the cook. "Got into it" is ambiguous; it could mean an argument, or it could mean they jumped the counter and physically attacked the cook. There isn't enough information here to make a determination as to a SYG or self defense claim.


FTFA:Police told the news station that Adrian Mosley, 33, a customer, may have thrown water into the face of Quintavius Martin, 25, the cook, who then pulled a gun, according to WSB-TV.
 
2014-06-15 11:30:10 AM  

mschwenk: pyrotek85: mschwenk: pyrotek85: NEDM: joshik72: Georgia has a "Stand Your Ground" law:

http://www.georgiapacking.org/GaCode/ ?title=16&chapter=3§ion=23.1

Could this apply here in the shooter's defense? If the cook felt "legimately threatened" by the behavior of the belligerent customer, would SYG grant him the right to shoot?

...no.  You have legitimately and reasonably feel that you were in fear of your life for that to come into play.  No matter how the guy spins it, he won't be able to justify him fearing his life just because someone threw water in his face.  Especially if there was a security guard already involved in the situation.

Yep. Even if he honestly felt threatened, it would fail the 'reasonableness' test. That means that you can't shoot people out of irrational fears and get away with it just by claiming you feared for your life, though some people do try to paint it that way however. All SYG does is remove the need to retreat, it doesn't lower the standards for employing deadly force, which doesn't make it that different than self defense laws of any other state. SYG isn't carte blanche to shoot anyone you please, no matter how people spin it.

Read the article.

I did. It's not based just on how he felt, but whether his feelings were reasonable. That's my point, I was just clarifying it. Some people honestly seem to think that all you need is to feel threatened and then shooting them is ok, which would certainly make self defense laws horrifying. Fortunately that's not the case.

You not getting it. He didn't shoot the one who threw water in his face. You have one witness saying one of the customers was threatening to shoot, an another saying that the two customers "got into it" with the cook. "Got into it" is ambiguous; it could mean an argument, or it could mean they jumped the counter and physically attacked the cook. There isn't enough information here to make a determination as to a SYG or self defense claim.


I do get it,  I never said he shot the water-thrower. I agree that there isn't enough information to determine whether he has a valid claim, which is why I haven't said he has a claim or not. All I was doing was clarifying that it needs to be more than 'I feared for my life'. The law is going to determine that after establishing the specific circumstances.
 
2014-06-15 11:32:26 AM  

stirfrybry: Elliot8654: Yogimus: Prophet of Loss: Prophet of Loss: doglover: Poverty and lack of social mobility breeds violence. Violent places make children grow up into people violent. Violent people do things like this. You see this trend in every epoch in every nation in every history book.

But yes, guns are the problem.

Guns are a force multiplier. Granny can't even fend off a 7 year old, but she can easily take out a few people with a handgun.

Guns allow cowards to do tremendous amounts of damage without the need for any real martial skills.

And prevents the strong from preying on the weak.

There is something else that prevents the strong from preying on the weak.

It's called the law. Real handy thing we got there.

LOL

Yeah, let me know how calling the cops works for you when you face an armed intruder.


Your circle jerk fantasy of being a bad-ass killing an intruder is never going to happen.
 
2014-06-15 11:35:53 AM  

NEDM: mschwenk: You not getting it. He didn't shoot the one who threw water in his face. You have one witness saying one of the customers was threatening to shoot, an another saying that the two customers "got into it" with the cook. "Got into it" is ambiguous; it could mean an argument, or it could mean they jumped the counter and physically attacked the cook. There isn't enough information here to make a determination as to a SYG or self defense claim.

FTFA:Police told the news station that Adrian Mosley, 33, a customer, may have thrown water into the face of Quintavius Martin, 25, the cook, who then pulled a gun, according to WSB-TV.


There is also the possibility that the article updated with new information in the past 3 hours.
 
2014-06-15 11:36:35 AM  

Begoggle: stirfrybry: Elliot8654: Yogimus: Prophet of Loss: Prophet of Loss: doglover: Poverty and lack of social mobility breeds violence. Violent places make children grow up into people violent. Violent people do things like this. You see this trend in every epoch in every nation in every history book.

But yes, guns are the problem.

Guns are a force multiplier. Granny can't even fend off a 7 year old, but she can easily take out a few people with a handgun.

Guns allow cowards to do tremendous amounts of damage without the need for any real martial skills.

And prevents the strong from preying on the weak.

There is something else that prevents the strong from preying on the weak.

It's called the law. Real handy thing we got there.

LOL

Yeah, let me know how calling the cops works for you when you face an armed intruder.

Your circle jerk fantasy of being a bad-ass killing an intruder is never going to happen.


Don't all these guys sit on the couch with the remote in one hand a gun in the other?
 
2014-06-15 11:46:14 AM  

Elliot8654: unknownshooter: Elliot8654: mr lawson: Elliot8654: There is something else that prevents the strong from preying on the weak.

It's called the law. Real handy thing we got there.

Yep. So if someone throws water at you, murder them.

Problem solved. Population under control in no time.

next time you're handing out bibles with your study group, why not surround a cop & throw some water in his face & tell us what happens?

Um, 2 problems:

1, I'm an atheist, so I would hand out bibles only as an exercise in "hey, wanna read some really evil stuff disguised as morality?"

2, the cop would knock me down and arrest me, not shoot me right off the bat. I dunno where you live and what cops you deal with....



The OPs argument was good, but needs tweaking.   Instead of a cop, go throw a cup of water into the face of your run of the mill ghetto fabulous gang banger who's also probably intoxicated. Who also has a small group of his buddies with him.  What do you think is going to happen?  They are going to beat you till you stop moving, the trick at that point is to hope you don't die.

We've seen people getting beaten nearly to death for far less. (Remember the guy who accidentally hit some kid when the kid darted INTO the street)  The entire block beat him nearly to death when all he was trying to do is stop and help.

In situations like this -- at what point do the anti-gun people feel you have the right to use deadly force to defend yourself? If someone has a gun pointed at me, but hasn't fired, would you try to make some crazy argument that I shouldn't have defended myself because "he could have changed his mind and not fired at me"

Anyone with half a brain and some common sense knows not to go through life acting like an asshole and throwing water in peoples face or starting fights. Because one day you will try to pull some shiat on someone who's right at their breaking point and will balance out your Karma for you just like in this situation.

I feel a tiny bit bad for the cook -- he's working a shiat job for shiat pay, and then he has to deal with this (I'm betting it's not the first time). He just snapped, at least though he made the world a slightly easier place to live in by taking out a human piece of trash.
 
2014-06-15 12:01:00 PM  

Saborlas: Let see...

Shooter is Arab? Terrorist.

Shooter is black? Culture of violence.

Shooter is white? Mental illness.


Shooter is asian? MRA shiatlord
 
2014-06-15 12:03:15 PM  
Why do they even pay the security guard? Was he there to protect the employees from customers or customers for the employees? Through it all I am guessing he was pretty confused as to who he should pull his gun on.
 
2014-06-15 12:12:07 PM  

pyrotek85: mschwenk: pyrotek85: mschwenk: pyrotek85: NEDM: joshik72: Georgia has a "Stand Your Ground" law:

http://www.georgiapacking.org/GaCode/ ?title=16&chapter=3§ion=23.1

Could this apply here in the shooter's defense? If the cook felt "legimately threatened" by the behavior of the belligerent customer, would SYG grant him the right to shoot?

...no.  You have legitimately and reasonably feel that you were in fear of your life for that to come into play.  No matter how the guy spins it, he won't be able to justify him fearing his life just because someone threw water in his face.  Especially if there was a security guard already involved in the situation.

Yep. Even if he honestly felt threatened, it would fail the 'reasonableness' test. That means that you can't shoot people out of irrational fears and get away with it just by claiming you feared for your life, though some people do try to paint it that way however. All SYG does is remove the need to retreat, it doesn't lower the standards for employing deadly force, which doesn't make it that different than self defense laws of any other state. SYG isn't carte blanche to shoot anyone you please, no matter how people spin it.

Read the article.

I did. It's not based just on how he felt, but whether his feelings were reasonable. That's my point, I was just clarifying it. Some people honestly seem to think that all you need is to feel threatened and then shooting them is ok, which would certainly make self defense laws horrifying. Fortunately that's not the case.

You not getting it. He didn't shoot the one who threw water in his face. You have one witness saying one of the customers was threatening to shoot, an another saying that the two customers "got into it" with the cook. "Got into it" is ambiguous; it could mean an argument, or it could mean they jumped the counter and physically attacked the cook. There isn't enough information here to make a determination as to a SYG or self defense claim.

I do get it,  I never said he shot the water-thrower. I agree that there isn't enough information to determine whether he has a valid claim, which is why I haven't said he has a claim or not. All I was doing was clarifying that it needs to be more than 'I feared for my life'. The law is going to determine that after establishing the specific circumstances.


Hopefully it goes to a reasonable court. I have seen valid claims get ignored and invalid ones treated as valid.
 
2014-06-15 12:19:58 PM  

mschwenk: pyrotek85: mschwenk: pyrotek85: mschwenk: pyrotek85: NEDM: joshik72: Georgia has a "Stand Your Ground" law:

http://www.georgiapacking.org/GaCode/ ?title=16&chapter=3§ion=23.1

Could this apply here in the shooter's defense? If the cook felt "legimately threatened" by the behavior of the belligerent customer, would SYG grant him the right to shoot?

...no.  You have legitimately and reasonably feel that you were in fear of your life for that to come into play.  No matter how the guy spins it, he won't be able to justify him fearing his life just because someone threw water in his face.  Especially if there was a security guard already involved in the situation.

Yep. Even if he honestly felt threatened, it would fail the 'reasonableness' test. That means that you can't shoot people out of irrational fears and get away with it just by claiming you feared for your life, though some people do try to paint it that way however. All SYG does is remove the need to retreat, it doesn't lower the standards for employing deadly force, which doesn't make it that different than self defense laws of any other state. SYG isn't carte blanche to shoot anyone you please, no matter how people spin it.

Read the article.

I did. It's not based just on how he felt, but whether his feelings were reasonable. That's my point, I was just clarifying it. Some people honestly seem to think that all you need is to feel threatened and then shooting them is ok, which would certainly make self defense laws horrifying. Fortunately that's not the case.

You not getting it. He didn't shoot the one who threw water in his face. You have one witness saying one of the customers was threatening to shoot, an another saying that the two customers "got into it" with the cook. "Got into it" is ambiguous; it could mean an argument, or it could mean they jumped the counter and physically attacked the cook. There isn't enough information here to make a determination as to a SYG or self defense claim.

I do get i ...


cook seems like a felon based on priors through a google search

Can felons claim SYG with a  firearm when the possession of a firearm makes them a prohibited person based on prior felonies?

They were recently trying to pass a law that allows felons to shoot people in Georgia but I havent followed up on the law.
 
2014-06-15 12:21:23 PM  

duffblue: Shooter is asian?a rabid online poster in MRA and PUA forums, as well as demonstrates a shockingly unhidden loathing of women in general because they don't like "nice guys" like him: MRA shiatlord

 
2014-06-15 12:23:26 PM  

Giltric: cook seems like a felon based on priors through a google search

Can felons claim SYG with a  firearm when the possession of a firearm makes them a prohibited person based on prior felonies?

They were recently trying to pass a law that allows felons to shoot people in Georgia but I havent followed up on the law.


No they can't.  SYG, Castle Doctrine, et. al. are only valid if the shooter is acting lawfully.  A felon in possession of a firearm is universally in violation of the law, in fact committing a felony.
 
2014-06-15 12:51:43 PM  

Giltric: mschwenk: pyrotek85: mschwenk: pyrotek85: mschwenk: pyrotek85: NEDM: joshik72: Georgia has a "Stand Your Ground" law:

http://www.georgiapacking.org/GaCode/ ?title=16&chapter=3§ion=23.1

Could this apply here in the shooter's defense? If the cook felt "legimately threatened" by the behavior of the belligerent customer, would SYG grant him the right to shoot?

...no.  You have legitimately and reasonably feel that you were in fear of your life for that to come into play.  No matter how the guy spins it, he won't be able to justify him fearing his life just because someone threw water in his face.  Especially if there was a security guard already involved in the situation.

Yep. Even if he honestly felt threatened, it would fail the 'reasonableness' test. That means that you can't shoot people out of irrational fears and get away with it just by claiming you feared for your life, though some people do try to paint it that way however. All SYG does is remove the need to retreat, it doesn't lower the standards for employing deadly force, which doesn't make it that different than self defense laws of any other state. SYG isn't carte blanche to shoot anyone you please, no matter how people spin it.

Read the article.

I did. It's not based just on how he felt, but whether his feelings were reasonable. That's my point, I was just clarifying it. Some people honestly seem to think that all you need is to feel threatened and then shooting them is ok, which would certainly make self defense laws horrifying. Fortunately that's not the case.

You not getting it. He didn't shoot the one who threw water in his face. You have one witness saying one of the customers was threatening to shoot, an another saying that the two customers "got into it" with the cook. "Got into it" is ambiguous; it could mean an argument, or it could mean they jumped the counter and physically attacked the cook. There isn't enough information here to make a determination as to a SYG or self defense claim.

I do get i ...

cook seems like a felon based on priors through a google search

Can felons claim SYG with a  firearm when the possession of a firearm makes them a prohibited person based on prior felonies?

They were recently trying to pass a law that allows felons to shoot people in Georgia but I havent followed up on the law.


A felon can claim self defense, but will still be guilty of unlawful posession of a firearm.
 
2014-06-15 12:56:04 PM  

doglover: Poverty and lack of social mobility breeds violence. Violent places make children grow up into people violent. Violent people do things like this. You see this trend in every epoch in every nation in every history book.

But yes, guns are the problem.


No, it's the people who are the problem.

BTW - 'Security Guard' and Awful House in the same sentence? WTF is the world coming to?
 
2014-06-15 01:26:58 PM  
Hmm so the guy threatening the cook with violence with a couple buddies to help out ends up being shot?

Not sure if I have a problem with that. Kinda...
 
2014-06-15 01:37:49 PM  

firesign: Shiat. I live in Atlanta and I'd love to know which one this was. All TFA has is "a Waffle House in Fulton County, GA", which narrows the field to about 1,000,000 restaurants...



I wondered that as well.

I want to like Waffle House.  I really do.  However, scary shiat goes down at the Waffle Houses here in Atlanta.  If it's not a shooting, it's an armed robbery.

Unfortunately, there aren't too many other places open 24 hours a day.
 
2014-06-15 01:46:05 PM  

Giltric: Probably a guy with prior felonies who votes democrat 98% of the time.



He's not in the demographic of reliable voters...
 
2014-06-15 01:56:57 PM  

jaybeezey: As usual, all if Fark has missed the point and reason for letting this article get to print in some way.

The witness interviewed was named Ontray. Who in their right mind names a child after their favorite part of a meal?


I believe they lexically convolved the name for privacy reasons. The witness was undoubtedly named "Tron."
 
2014-06-15 01:59:21 PM  

Elliot8654: Yep. So if someone throws water at you, murder them.


This actually seems to be the conclusion the gun nuts in this thread have come to.
 
2014-06-15 02:41:07 PM  

DrBrownCow: According to a different article, he did not have a permit to have a concealed handgun.


For what reason should such a minor technicality prevent the Violence Policy Center from adding this incident to their list of "Concealed Carry Killers"?
 
2014-06-15 02:41:21 PM  

99.998er: wellreadneck: I'm fairly certain the "I'm gonna fire you up" threat had more to do with the shooting than this "just a glass of water" angle being played up.

This article implies the cook said "I'm gonna fire you up", however the AJC says the diner said it.

From AJC:
After that, Haley said the two men "got into it with the cook and the guy that got shot, he threatened the cook. He told him, you come outside and I'm going to fire you up, which basically meant he wanted to shoot him."


The law doesn't allow you to shoot people because you fear that they're going to shoot you in the future, but unfortunately, many MANY convicted killers shoot for that very reason, believing it to be an act of self defense. Most "gang violence" killings are just personal disputes between those who are "keepin' it real."
 
2014-06-15 02:42:58 PM  

Giltric: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: DrBrownCow: According to a different article, he did not have a permit to have a concealed handgun.

So, just a plain old Responsible Gun Owner.

Probably a guy with prior felonies who votes democrat 98% of the time.

Own that shiat son.


Convicted felons can vote now? Do tell. And you could shorten what you really mean with just one word. We all know what it is; own that shiat.
 
2014-06-15 02:47:53 PM  
 Has Bill Cunningham bought the rights to this story yet?
 
2014-06-15 02:48:41 PM  

FizixJunkee: firesign: Shiat. I live in Atlanta and I'd love to know which one this was. All TFA has is "a Waffle House in Fulton County, GA", which narrows the field to about 1,000,000 restaurants...


I wondered that as well.

I want to like Waffle House.  I really do.  However, scary shiat goes down at the Waffle Houses here in Atlanta.  If it's not a shooting, it's an armed robbery.

Unfortunately, there aren't too many other places open 24 hours a day.


Settle down, Beavis. There are probably three shootings at Waffle House in the metro Atlanta area per year. There are at LEAST 100 Waffle Houses in metro Atlanta (probably more like 200). You might justifiably feel a little nervous at a Waffle House in the more run-down parts of town at 3 a.m., but other than that, your odds of seeing a shooting at Waffle House are infinitessimal. You want to be nervous about something real, consider that you drive in Atlanta.
 
2014-06-15 02:50:01 PM  

LazyMedia: Giltric: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: DrBrownCow: According to a different article, he did not have a permit to have a concealed handgun.

So, just a plain old Responsible Gun Owner.

Probably a guy with prior felonies who votes democrat 98% of the time.

Own that shiat son.

Convicted felons can vote now? Do tell. And you could shorten what you really mean with just one word. We all know what it is; own that shiat.


Georgia law allows convicted felons to vote after serving their prison term plus any additional parole plus any additional probation time.

/I was surprised.
//Most states that disenfranchise felons permanently enacted such laws specifically to reduce the number of blacks who could vote.
 
2014-06-15 02:58:59 PM  
I have been going to Waffle Houses in the Atlanta area since 1989.  The first one I went to was after restaurant work when I was 18 and in a dangerous area of Fulton county.  The 3rd shift cook always had a .45.  Then many years afterward, many other cooks had guns at several other places.  Mostly it was because Waffle House is often the target of robberies during the 3rd shift.  It seemed normal to me that they would carry a gun.
   The cook in the article would have been just fine if the other guy had pulled a gun first.  The area celebrates when an armed robber gets shot in the act.  But this guy just had a glass of water.   Killing someone over having someone step on his pride is murder.  That is a good argument for not accepting everyone being armed. .
 
2014-06-15 03:00:23 PM  
A felon can claim self defense, but will still be guilty of unlawful posession of a firearm.

There's a giggle-inducing loophole in Georgia law about that. If you were convicted of antitrust violations or restraint of trade, the state can give you back your firearms-owning privileges even if the feds haven't. All other ex-felons have to get the feds to let them own guns first.
 
2014-06-15 03:06:36 PM  

LazyMedia: A felon can claim self defense, but will still be guilty of unlawful posession of a firearm.

There's a giggle-inducing loophole in Georgia law about that. If you were convicted of antitrust violations or restraint of trade, the state can give you back your firearms-owning privileges even if the feds haven't. All other ex-felons have to get the feds to let them own guns first.


How, exactly, does Georgia state law supersede the federal prohibition?
 
2014-06-15 03:10:57 PM  
And this is why the "Legal system" grinds so slowly Thankful we don't have any "Awful houses" around. What kind of "club" let's these people in. I bet the "victim" thought he was being a real stud, until he saw that flash.
 You don't kill them, just wing them. At least when I feel the need to carry a firearm, not very often at all, just try to avoid those places, at least I do it wearing a shirt with a built in holster. Have A valid CCP, and don't stir anything up. Unless you're in a movie theatre in Tampa.
 
2014-06-15 03:14:23 PM  

joshik72: Georgia has a "Stand Your Ground" law:

http://www.georgiapacking.org/GaCode/ ?title=16&chapter=3&section=23.1

Could this apply here in the shooter's defense? If the cook felt "legimately threatened" by the behavior of the belligerent customer, would SYG grant him the right to shoot?


Not if he's black.
 
2014-06-15 03:17:25 PM  

Dimensio: LazyMedia: A felon can claim self defense, but will still be guilty of unlawful posession of a firearm.

There's a giggle-inducing loophole in Georgia law about that. If you were convicted of antitrust violations or restraint of trade, the state can give you back your firearms-owning privileges even if the feds haven't. All other ex-felons have to get the feds to let them own guns first.

How, exactly, does Georgia state law supersede the federal prohibition?


I'm not sure, but here's the code section:

(d) A person who has been convicted of a felony, but who has been granted relief from the disabilities imposed by the laws of the United States with respect to the acquisition, receipt, transfer, shipment, or possession of firearms by the secretary of the United States Department of the Treasury pursuant to 18 U.S.C. Section 925, shall, upon presenting to the Board of Public Safety proof that the relief has been granted and it being established from proof submitted by the applicant to the satisfaction of the Board of Public Safety that the circumstances regarding the conviction and the applicant's record and reputation are such that the acquisition, receipt, transfer, shipment, or possession of firearms by the person would not present a threat to the safety of the citizens of Georgia and that the granting of the relief sought would not be contrary to the public interest, be granted relief from the disabilities imposed by this Code section. A person who has been convicted under federal or state law of a felony pertaining to antitrust violations, unfair trade practices, or restraint of trade shall, upon presenting to the Board of Public Safety proof, and it being established from said proof, submitted by the applicant to the satisfaction of the Board of Public Safety that the circumstances regarding the conviction and the applicant's record and reputation are such that the acquisition, receipt, transfer, shipment, or possession of firearms by the person would not present a threat to the safety of the citizens of Georgia and that the granting of the relief sought would not be contrary to the public interest, be granted relief from the disabilities imposed by this Code section. A record that the relief has been granted by the board shall be entered upon the criminal history of the person maintained by the Georgia Crime Information Center and the board shall maintain a list of the names of such persons which shall be open for public inspection.
 
2014-06-15 03:29:19 PM  
Not a single picture of Steven Seagal anywhere? Bizarro Fark is a weird place.
 
2014-06-15 03:30:48 PM  

LazyMedia: 99.998er: wellreadneck: I'm fairly certain the "I'm gonna fire you up" threat had more to do with the shooting than this "just a glass of water" angle being played up.

This article implies the cook said "I'm gonna fire you up", however the AJC says the diner said it.

From AJC:
After that, Haley said the two men "got into it with the cook and the guy that got shot, he threatened the cook. He told him, you come outside and I'm going to fire you up, which basically meant he wanted to shoot him."

The law doesn't allow you to shoot people because you fear that they're going to shoot you in the future, but unfortunately, many MANY convicted killers shoot for that very reason, believing it to be an act of self defense. Most "gang violence" killings are just personal disputes between those who are "keepin' it real."


I agree with you. Regardless who said what, it is still a senseless killing. The law itself is way too ambiguous. I feel it gives a false sense of righteousness, like the guy in Florida that killed the kid at the convenience store for playing his music too loud.

I do feel for the WH kid, however. Shiat job, shiat shift, shiat neighborhood, shiat customers. I would bet he took Marta to & from work. I would carry a gun too if I had to live like that, and I have never owned a gun in my life.
 
2014-06-15 03:34:37 PM  

LazyMedia: Giltric: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: DrBrownCow: According to a different article, he did not have a permit to have a concealed handgun.

So, just a plain old Responsible Gun Owner.

Probably a guy with prior felonies who votes democrat 98% of the time.

Own that shiat son.

Convicted felons can vote now? Do tell. And you could shorten what you really mean with just one word. We all know what it is; own that shiat.


Statistics say a certain segment of the population disproportionately makes up a majority of the statistics of perpetrators of gun homicide. Do you have a cite to counter my claim? Facts having a liberal bias and all that. Maybe its a grand conspiracy perpetrated by Whitey. AKA The Man. I mean when someone says "responsible gun owner" are you running out to find the token picture of the protester with the placard that says we came unarmed this time in order to vilify as many people as possible?

In Georgia a convicted felon can vote after the terms of their incarceration or probation are met.

In some states you can vote from jail.
 
2014-06-15 03:38:16 PM  

99.998er: I do feel for the WH kid, however. Shiat job, shiat shift, shiat neighborhood, shiat customers. I would bet he took Marta to & from work. I would carry a gun too if I had to live like that, and I have never owned a gun in my life.


What if the guy is working at the waffle house because nobody else will hire him because of priors?

Is it Waffle Houses fault he is working their or his?
 
2014-06-15 04:10:57 PM  

unknownshooter: How many times can they punch you before it's ok to shoot?


According to a large number of Farkers, they're entitled to punch you until you're dead. Then, once they've used lethal force on you, you're justified in responding with lethal force. Until then, however, if you don't just take your beating like a man, you're a GUN PUSSY LOL, SHOULD JUST FIGHT LIKE A MAN, STUPID RACIST.
 
2014-06-15 04:20:00 PM  

UNC_Samurai: To be fair, the customer asked for scattered and chunked.


+3 would snicker again
 
2014-06-15 05:03:09 PM  

Giltric: 99.998er: I do feel for the WH kid, however. Shiat job, shiat shift, shiat neighborhood, shiat customers. I would bet he took Marta to & from work. I would carry a gun too if I had to live like that, and I have never owned a gun in my life.

What if the guy is working at the waffle house because nobody else will hire him because of priors?

Is it Waffle Houses fault he is working their or his?


No, of course not. His orthopedic surgeon father and attorney mother bent over backwards for him. Sent him to the finest schools, provided him with a luxury import car, and a generous allowance. He had all the opportunity in the world, but his true calling was hash browns, you twat.

Some people are not as fortunate as you. Once you are the bottom it is nearly impossible to climb back up to ground level. At least this guy was trying to make an honest living. Did anybody say no to Martha Stewart when she got out of prison for a felony? No, and I wonder why. Get off your bootstrappy BS and try to understand how hard it can be on someone born with little chance of success. And yes, before you say it, I know it has been done before and it can be done. However the odds are stacked heavily against him.
 
2014-06-15 06:12:27 PM  

AngryDragon: Giltric: cook seems like a felon based on priors through a google search

Can felons claim SYG with a  firearm when the possession of a firearm makes them a prohibited person based on prior felonies?

They were recently trying to pass a law that allows felons to shoot people in Georgia but I havent followed up on the law.

No they can't.  SYG, Castle Doctrine, et. al. are only valid if the shooter is acting lawfully.  A felon in possession of a firearm is universally in violation of the law, in fact committing a felony.


Not quite. The SCOTUS has ruled that a felon can pick up and use a firearm in legitimate self defense even if he's barred from possessing it. Legitimate self defense trumps it under "choice of evils". He can't own it, can't carry it, so on and so forth, but he doesn't give up his right to self defense.
 
2014-06-15 11:34:20 PM  

Dragonflew: Elliot8654: Yep. So if someone throws water at you, murder them.

This actually seems to be the conclusion the gun nuts in this thread have come to.


Really? Please show me where any gun rights advocate said that this was a justified shooting based merely on the fact that someone threw a glass of water in the cook's face.  I'm sure you can point to one, yes?
 
2014-06-16 09:04:05 AM  
Amateur.  Around here, one of the waffle house's gets a drop by threat via grenade at least twice a year.  Both times it was live, but the police were able to successfully talk him/her out of pulling the pin.
 
2014-06-16 12:01:40 PM  

doglover: Poverty and lack of social mobility breeds violence. Violent places make children grow up into people violent. Violent people do things like this. You see this trend in every epoch in every nation in every history book.

But yes, guns are the problem.


Guns are not the problem.  People with guns is the problem.
 
2014-06-16 01:49:32 PM  
Order up: double hashbrowns capped, smothered, and diving for covered!
 
2014-06-16 03:52:43 PM  

skinink: "What does this sticky note mean, that my next pickup is here in the Waffle House?"

[lifeoblog.files.wordpress.com image 850x477]


"He brought his biatch to the Waffle Hut!"
 
Displayed 138 of 138 comments

View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest


This thread is closed to new comments.

Continue Farking
Submit a Link »
Advertisement
On Twitter





In Other Media


  1. Links are submitted by members of the Fark community.

  2. When community members submit a link, they also write a custom headline for the story.

  3. Other Farkers comment on the links. This is the number of comments. Click here to read them.

  4. Click here to submit a link.

Report