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(The Root)   Another school shooting rocks the nation. Well, substitute "Waffle House" for "school," and change "rocks the nation" to "surprises nobody"   (theroot.com) divider line 138
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vpb [TotalFark]
2014-06-15 06:53:44 AM
The only thing that can stop an unruly customer with a glass of water is a not-very-bright man with a gun.
 
2014-06-15 07:24:21 AM
Poverty and lack of social mobility breeds violence. Violent places make children grow up into people violent. Violent people do things like this. You see this trend in every epoch in every nation in every history book.

But yes, guns are the problem.
 
2014-06-15 08:12:15 AM
To be fair, the customer asked for scattered and chunked.
 
2014-06-15 08:12:44 AM
 
2014-06-15 08:14:33 AM
Well I'll bet he won't be throwing water at people again!
 
2014-06-15 08:21:38 AM
Yes, my fathers day breakfast was at Waffle House.
I didn't see any gun play at all.
 
Rat
2014-06-15 08:21:42 AM
When drunk and unruly, the only thing you need to be able to do in Waffle House is say the words "All Star".  Everything else and you're just being a dick.

™  and now I'm hungry
 
2014-06-15 08:21:54 AM
"Rocks the nation"

Well if you mean simply reporting what has been going on for decades, but is now suddenly considered perhaps unacceptable by societal norms, then yes, "rocks the nation" it is.  Now I'm all for reporting unnecessary deaths on any level, but ask yourself this - who or what agenda suddenly decided this had to be front page news every day.  Answer that and you will find money/votes/influence..
 
2014-06-15 08:22:20 AM
"What does this sticky note mean, that my next pickup is here in the Waffle House?"

lifeoblog.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-06-15 08:23:29 AM
I'm surprised it wasn't reported as "less than X miles from a school!".
 
2014-06-15 08:24:08 AM

doglover: Poverty and lack of social mobility breeds violence. Violent places make children grow up into people violent. Violent people do things like this. You see this trend in every epoch in every nation in every history book.

But yes, guns are the problem.


guns? No. Access to them by the mentally ill and unstable without a good way of screening for it? Yes.

Two separate issues, doglover
 
2014-06-15 08:25:33 AM
Shiat. I live in Atlanta and I'd love to know which one this was. All TFA has is "a Waffle House in Fulton County, GA", which narrows the field to about 1,000,000 restaurants...
 
2014-06-15 08:27:46 AM
So Waffle House is like Chuck E. Cheese for adults?
 
2014-06-15 08:27:59 AM

doglover: Poverty and lack of social mobility breeds violence. Violent places make children grow up into people violent. Violent people do things like this. You see this trend in every epoch in every nation in every history book.

But yes, guns are the problem.


When people drove horse-drawn wagons, there were accidents, but not the clusterfark types we can see today.

But yes cars are the problem.

/Goes back to fondling his piece.
 
2014-06-15 08:28:15 AM
I live in middle America and am very confused buy the reference to a "security guard" in a waffle house. Most banks around here don't even have guards.

Is it common for restaurants in larger cities to have their own gun toting security guards?
 
Rat
2014-06-15 08:28:37 AM

firesign: Shiat. I live in Atlanta and I'd love to know which one this was. All TFA has is "a Waffle House in Fulton County, GA", which narrows the field to about 1,000,000 restaurants...


Its the one down the street from "The Club".

™ that sounded funnier when I said it out loud
 
2014-06-15 08:29:26 AM
Georgia has a "Stand Your Ground" law:

http://www.georgiapacking.org/GaCode/ ?title=16&chapter=3&section=23.1

Could this apply here in the shooter's defense? If the cook felt "legimately threatened" by the behavior of the belligerent customer, would SYG grant him the right to shoot?
 
2014-06-15 08:31:34 AM
Fast forward to later this afternoon with the obligatory family statement: "He was such a nice guy, a good guy, who never did anything wrong."
 
2014-06-15 08:32:15 AM

Thinyser: I live in middle America and am very confused buy the reference to a "security guard" in a waffle house. Most banks around here don't even have guards.

Is it common for restaurants in larger cities to have their own gun toting security guards?


Depends on the area I suppose. Out in the burbs where I live now, almost no one has a security guard. When I lived in the city (Chicago) even Home Depot  had armed security guards.
 
2014-06-15 08:34:02 AM

doglover: Poverty and lack of social mobility breeds violence. Violent places make children grow up into people violent. Violent people do things like this. You see this trend in every epoch in every nation in every history book.

But yes, guns are the problem.


Surely if this is in every epoch of every nation, giving those people access to guns is the worst thing you could do?

You can`t shoot someone with pudding...
 
2014-06-15 08:34:03 AM

joshik72: Georgia has a "Stand Your Ground" law:

http://www.georgiapacking.org/GaCode/ ?title=16&chapter=3§ion=23.1

Could this apply here in the shooter's defense? If the cook felt "legimately threatened" by the behavior of the belligerent customer, would SYG grant him the right to shoot?


...no.  You have legitimately and reasonably feel that you were in fear of your life for that to come into play.  No matter how the guy spins it, he won't be able to justify him fearing his life just because someone threw water in his face.  Especially if there was a security guard already involved in the situation.
 
2014-06-15 08:38:14 AM
not sure why so many are ready to assume this isnt self defense? - a group of people, closing in on the cook, threatening him & throwing water..

are you supposed to let them start punching you? How many times can they punch you before it's ok to shoot?
 
2014-06-15 08:39:40 AM

dready zim: You can`t shoot someone with pudding...


When you're wrong, you're wrong.

i.telegraph.co.uk
 
2014-06-15 08:41:45 AM

doglover: You see this trend in every epoch in every nation in every history book.


Which is why every other developed nation on earth sees a similar level of gun violence.
 
2014-06-15 08:42:24 AM

doglover: Poverty and lack of social mobility breeds violence. Violent places make children grow up into people violent. Violent people do things like this. You see this trend in every epoch in every nation in every history book.

But yes, guns are the problem.


Guns are a force multiplier. Granny can't even fend off a 7 year old, but she can easily take out a few people with a handgun.

Guns allow cowards to do tremendous amounts of damage with the need for any real martial skills.
 
2014-06-15 08:43:19 AM

Prophet of Loss: doglover: Poverty and lack of social mobility breeds violence. Violent places make children grow up into people violent. Violent people do things like this. You see this trend in every epoch in every nation in every history book.

But yes, guns are the problem.

Guns are a force multiplier. Granny can't even fend off a 7 year old, but she can easily take out a few people with a handgun.

Guns allow cowards to do tremendous amounts of damage without the need for any real martial skills.

 
2014-06-15 08:45:53 AM

NEDM: joshik72: Georgia has a "Stand Your Ground" law:

http://www.georgiapacking.org/GaCode/ ?title=16&chapter=3§ion=23.1

Could this apply here in the shooter's defense? If the cook felt "legimately threatened" by the behavior of the belligerent customer, would SYG grant him the right to shoot?

...no.  You have legitimately and reasonably feel that you were in fear of your life for that to come into play.  No matter how the guy spins it, he won't be able to justify him fearing his life just because someone threw water in his face.  Especially if there was a security guard already involved in the situation.


If the shooter was white and the victim black, I guarantee you not only would he have that defense, but the entire right wing media machine would be behind him.

And I also guarantee you, if a belligerent, enraged guy throws water on you and threatens to smash your face in with the glass it came from, you would feel threatened.

Full story has yet to come out, I'm sure.
 
2014-06-15 08:46:06 AM

Prophet of Loss: Prophet of Loss: doglover: Poverty and lack of social mobility breeds violence. Violent places make children grow up into people violent. Violent people do things like this. You see this trend in every epoch in every nation in every history book.

But yes, guns are the problem.

Guns are a force multiplier. Granny can't even fend off a 7 year old, but she can easily take out a few people with a handgun.

Guns allow cowards to do tremendous amounts of damage without the need for any real martial skills.


And prevents the strong from preying on the weak.
 
2014-06-15 08:46:14 AM

Prophet of Loss: doglover: Poverty and lack of social mobility breeds violence. Violent places make children grow up into people violent. Violent people do things like this. You see this trend in every epoch in every nation in every history book.

But yes, guns are the problem.

Guns are a force multiplier. Granny can't even fend off a 7 year old, but she can easily take out a few people with a handgun.

Guns allow cowards to do tremendous amounts of damage with the need for any real martial skills.


thats why cops carry them?
 
2014-06-15 08:46:17 AM

NEDM: joshik72: Georgia has a "Stand Your Ground" law:

http://www.georgiapacking.org/GaCode/ ?title=16&chapter=3§ion=23.1

Could this apply here in the shooter's defense? If the cook felt "legimately threatened" by the behavior of the belligerent customer, would SYG grant him the right to shoot?

...no.  You have legitimately and reasonably feel that you were in fear of your life for that to come into play.  No matter how the guy spins it, he won't be able to justify him fearing his life just because someone threw water in his face.  Especially if there was a security guard already involved in the situation.


I don't remember the words "legitimately" and "reasonably" being in SYG laws. Can you point this out to me?
 
2014-06-15 08:46:34 AM

firesign: Shiat. I live in Atlanta and I'd love to know which one this was. All TFA has is "a Waffle House in Fulton County, GA", which narrows the field to about 1,000,000 restaurants...


Fulton Industrial.
VERY bad part of town.
http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/person-shot-fulton-county-waffl e- house/ngKjW/
 
2014-06-15 08:51:43 AM

Thinyser: I live in middle America and am very confused buy the reference to a "security guard" in a waffle house. Most banks around here don't even have guards.

Is it common for restaurants in larger cities to have their own gun toting security guards?


Security! Suh-curity!.
 
2014-06-15 08:53:05 AM
Let see...

Shooter is Arab? Terrorist.

Shooter is black? Culture of violence.

Shooter is white? Mental illness.
 
2014-06-15 08:54:15 AM
Guns don't kill people, people kill people.

Guns just make it really, really easy.
 
2014-06-15 08:57:46 AM
There are 40 murders a day in the US. They get reported in local news, but as a nation, they are "dog bites man" story unless something really interesting happens about the case.
There are 90 suicides you won't here about.
There are 500 deaths from medical mistakes you'll hear farkall about.
 
2014-06-15 08:58:49 AM

firesign: Shiat. I live in Atlanta and I'd love to know which one this was. All TFA has is "a Waffle House in Fulton County, GA", which narrows the field to about 1,000,000 restaurants...


3.bp.blogspot.com
Look for the one with a SECURITY GUARD and an angry cook named Quintavius

A security guard?  At a Waffle House?

Sounds like a nice neighborhood  <rolls eyes>
 
2014-06-15 08:58:56 AM
Don't worry, Bloomberg's apparatus will report it as a school shooting if they can find a way to spin it as such.
 
2014-06-15 09:03:50 AM

unknownshooter: Prophet of Loss: doglover: Poverty and lack of social mobility breeds violence. Violent places make children grow up into people violent. Violent people do things like this. You see this trend in every epoch in every nation in every history book.

But yes, guns are the problem.

Guns are a force multiplier. Granny can't even fend off a 7 year old, but she can easily take out a few people with a handgun.

Guns allow cowards to do tremendous amounts of damage with the need for any real martial skills.

thats why cops carry them?


Cops carry them because crooks have them. Most Cops in Western Europe do not carry guns.
 
2014-06-15 09:04:37 AM
Isn't America Great!

Let's play USA
How I love the life I lead
Cannot think and cannot read
Watch our values slip away
Play the game of USA

Won't it be a lot of fun
Every man will own a gun
Shoot the ones whose point of view
Makes a point that bothers you
Go on and pollute the land
Clean air will be sold in cans
Did you hear the master plan
One nation under Disneyland
Let's play USA....
 
2014-06-15 09:05:40 AM

farkmedown: Don't worry, Bloomberg's apparatus will report it as a school shooting if they can find a way to spin it as such.


Clearly subby has never been to PG county Maryland or large parts of Detroit, Chicago, and other U.S. cities.

The idea seems to be to broadcast any crime with a gun as part of a new epidemic of gun violence. Except it's nothing new.


Meanwhile a 4 year old was run over by a cokehead near my town and it didnt make the news anywhere.
 
2014-06-15 09:05:49 AM

Yogimus: Prophet of Loss: Prophet of Loss: doglover: Poverty and lack of social mobility breeds violence. Violent places make children grow up into people violent. Violent people do things like this. You see this trend in every epoch in every nation in every history book.

But yes, guns are the problem.

Guns are a force multiplier. Granny can't even fend off a 7 year old, but she can easily take out a few people with a handgun.

Guns allow cowards to do tremendous amounts of damage without the need for any real martial skills.

And prevents the strong from preying on the weak.


It also allows any crazy SOB to kills dozens. If everyone has guns then you have multiple people firing at each other. All this means is more innocents dead. But don't let any of this interrupt your Guns & Ammo fap session (how do you get the lube on the tweezers?).
 
2014-06-15 09:06:33 AM

farkmedown: Don't worry, Bloomberg's apparatus will report it as a school shooting if they can find a way to spin it as such.


Kind of getting a kick out of how many farkers regard children and teens being murdered as such a tedious nuisance.

/why are people getting so worked up about all this death? Everyone's gonna die anyway
 
2014-06-15 09:09:46 AM

Yogimus: Prophet of Loss: Prophet of Loss: doglover: Poverty and lack of social mobility breeds violence. Violent places make children grow up into people violent. Violent people do things like this. You see this trend in every epoch in every nation in every history book.

But yes, guns are the problem.

Guns are a force multiplier. Granny can't even fend off a 7 year old, but she can easily take out a few people with a handgun.

Guns allow cowards to do tremendous amounts of damage without the need for any real martial skills.

And prevents the strong from preying on the weak.


There is something else that prevents the strong from preying on the weak.

It's called the law. Real handy thing we got there.
 
2014-06-15 09:16:17 AM
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Approves.
 
2014-06-15 09:16:20 AM

Prophet of Loss: Yogimus: Prophet of Loss: Prophet of Loss: doglover: Poverty and lack of social mobility breeds violence. Violent places make children grow up into people violent. Violent people do things like this. You see this trend in every epoch in every nation in every history book.

But yes, guns are the problem.

Guns are a force multiplier. Granny can't even fend off a 7 year old, but she can easily take out a few people with a handgun.

Guns allow cowards to do tremendous amounts of damage without the need for any real martial skills.

And prevents the strong from preying on the weak.

It also allows any crazy SOB to kills dozens. If everyone has guns then you have multiple people firing at each other. All this means is more innocents dead. But don't let any of this interrupt your Guns & Ammo fap session (how do you get the lube on the tweezers?).


My penis allows me to rape dozens.  My hands allow me to strangle dozens.  My feet allow me to kick the shiat out of dozens.  My halitosis allows me to sicken dozens.  My eyes allow me to 'evil eye' dozens.

Keep a gun.  Just don't be a dick about it.
 
2014-06-15 09:20:21 AM
What a cook with a gun might look like

i57.tinypic.com
 
2014-06-15 09:21:11 AM
I find this unsurprising.  24-hour breakfast places breed violence.

"It was crowded. People were just coming from the club up the street."

And that's why.
 
2014-06-15 09:23:43 AM

doglover: Poverty and lack of social mobility breeds violence. Violent places make children grow up into people violent. Violent people do things like this. You see this trend in every epoch in every nation in every history book.

But yes, guns are the problem.


Poverty is the flame, social immobility is the fuse, and guns are the bomb that will blow your mind. Wait, what?

/sorry gun thread fatigue, had to be silly ;p
 
2014-06-15 09:27:38 AM

OliverK: NEDM: joshik72: Georgia has a "Stand Your Ground" law:

http://www.georgiapacking.org/GaCode/ ?title=16&chapter=3§ion=23.1

Could this apply here in the shooter's defense? If the cook felt "legimately threatened" by the behavior of the belligerent customer, would SYG grant him the right to shoot?

...no.  You have legitimately and reasonably feel that you were in fear of your life for that to come into play.  No matter how the guy spins it, he won't be able to justify him fearing his life just because someone threw water in his face.  Especially if there was a security guard already involved in the situation.

I don't remember the words "legitimately" and "reasonably" being in SYG laws. Can you point this out to me?


Right here:

O.C.G.A. § 16-3-21
Use of force in defense of self or others; evidence of belief that force was necessary in murder or manslaughter prosecution


(a) A person is justified in threatening or using force against another when and to the extent that he or she reasonably believes that such threat or force is necessary to defend himself or herself or a third person against such other's imminent use of unlawful force; however, except as provided in Code Section 16-3-23, a person is justified in using force which is intended or likely to cause death or great bodily harm only if he or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent death or great bodily injury to himself or herself or a third person or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.

Also, in the very next section of the law, it says that if you intentionally start a fight just so you can pull the "Self Defense" card and shoot someone, it isn't self-defense and your ass is grass.
 
2014-06-15 09:35:33 AM

ChuckRoddy: There are 40 murders a day in the US. They get reported in local news, but as a nation, they are "dog bites man" story unless something really interesting happens about the case.
There are 90 suicides you won't here about.
There are 500 deaths from medical mistakes you'll hear farkall about.


Citation needed on the last part. Medical malpractice killed 1,500 last year per the CDC. Your numbers would put it as one of the top ten causes of morbidity and mortality in the US.

Wait, wait. I got this one. It's a conspiracy.
 
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