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(Daily Mail)   New study says that dogs prefer to earn treats rather than receiving handouts. Which apparently shows that researchers have never owned a dog   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 42
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2014-06-14 11:56:36 PM  
Sounds like a Republican study.  "Why, I know of dogs who have received free food daily for several generations.  They've come to expect it for free.  I find that making dogs earn treats builds character."
 
2014-06-15 12:07:42 AM  
Dogs, unlike people, thrive if they earn the respect of the rest of the pack.  Part of that would certainly include proving your worth to the rest of the members, like completing a task.

Human beings and cats are perfectly willing to take handouts because they don't really give a fark about anyone else.  I've been carrying on this experiment with my cats for 25 years.  Not only will they take handouts, they gravitate towards thievery as instinct and I have no doubt if they could manipulate my bank accounts I'd be broke tomorrow.  Just this morning I had to throw out a freshly baked loaf of bread, a roll of toilet paper, and an entire package of sugar free butterscotch.  I'm also missing two antique watches and a charger for an old cell phone.

My cats plot against me.  What I took for affection - waking up with them sleeping next to me - is just a front to throw me off their thieving ways.  They take and take and take and they think nothing of it.  They never will.
 
2014-06-15 12:23:44 AM  
too true...they don't mind getting a freebie.

but they also want their reward too for their efforts.


I'm the same way.
 
2014-06-15 12:28:51 AM  
Sometimes they bark.
 
2014-06-15 12:32:02 AM  
I dunno subby, I mean, my dog is happy to take any benevolent offering I give him. But he seems about 200000x as happy when he has "earned" his treat with a treat-earning activity. And I woulds say that holds true for most of the dogs I know.
 
NFA
2014-06-15 12:42:21 AM  
So when my dog steals my sandwich off the table, he's really saying "I earned this mother f@cker"?
 
2014-06-15 12:53:47 AM  
They like walkings.
 
2014-06-15 01:03:16 AM  
Dogs want to be a member of a pack.  They need a role to play in that pack and if you're doing it right, you're the alpha who's assigning it.
 
2014-06-15 01:14:41 AM  
Maybe because it gives them a sense of control over their environment. If they get a treat for no apparent reason, they have no way of knowing how to get another one.

It might be an interesting experiment to run on rats. Put them in a cage with levers and buttons and mazes and wheels, and then give them treats or shock them at random times. Then see how neurotic it makes them, and whether they hang out near their "lucky" red button or avoid the "scary wheel of electricity."

/Probably already have done this a dozen times, considering how popular Skinner boxes are.
 
2014-06-15 01:14:45 AM  
Article is by the Daily Mail, I'm doubtful that there was ever any research at all
 
2014-06-15 01:20:30 AM  

the_sidewinder: Article is by the Daily Mail, I'm doubtful that there was ever any research at all


Yeah, that screams "Daily Fail"...

Immigrant scousers breeding terrorists! You heard it here first, at the Daily Fail!

 
2014-06-15 01:20:51 AM  
Dogs have masters; cats have staff.
 
2014-06-15 01:55:35 AM  
Dogs require a pack. Cats require can openers.
 
2014-06-15 02:06:25 AM  
A useful private is happier than a useless general.

Lesson: Use your privates daily.
 
2014-06-15 02:06:53 AM  
As long as all animals are terrified of the vacuum cleaner, humans will always rule the universe.
 
2014-06-15 03:30:20 AM  

SpdrJay: As long as all animals are terrified of the vacuum cleaner, humans will always rule the universe.


I don't know, dude. My dog loves the vacuum cleaner and will sulk if I don't vacuum him when I clean the floors.
 
2014-06-15 07:19:27 AM  
Dogs are fun, smart and require mental stimulation. Cats are stupid, lazy and worthless
 
2014-06-15 07:51:11 AM  

bucket_chemist: SpdrJay: As long as all animals are terrified of the vacuum cleaner, humans will always rule the universe.

I don't know, dude. My dog loves the vacuum cleaner and will sulk if I don't vacuum him when I clean the floors.


Pics or it didn't happen.  What breed is he?
 
2014-06-15 07:52:41 AM  
My dog prefers to earn his treats.

He believes that he earns a treat anytime he notices that I have food.

Also when he farts, or scratches himself, or hears a noise.

He considers himself woefully underpaid.
 
2014-06-15 08:15:06 AM  
For those who prefer a slighter more rigorous source, read here.

This is exactly what my favorite trainer tried to drill into us. Dogs were bred to work, it's really their preferred kind of play, and the reward can also be something as simple as enthusiastic praise. One exercise she does is to teach the dog a "trick" by giving it THREE minutes of praise. Holy chihuahuas is 3 minutes a long time! Works like a charm though. Try it sometime if you want a lesson in how to get and keep your dogs attention.
 
2014-06-15 08:44:37 AM  
One of my cats greatly prefers to "steal" the food off a plate rather than have it handed to him.
The other will only eat what he's given, and then only if you insist.

So yeah, there are differences in personality.  My, what a brilliant study.
I've also heard that the sun comes up every day!  We should study that.
 
2014-06-15 08:45:21 AM  
Trained our dogs to get a treat for going outside to use the restroom. Except that's not how they interpreted the rule. Now they will take a couple of steps outside, then come back in and wait for their treat.
 
2014-06-15 09:53:54 AM  

Barry McCokiner: Trained our dogs to get a treat for going outside to use the restroom. Except that's not how they interpreted the rule. Now they will take a couple of steps outside, then come back in and wait for their treat.


mine also does this, and i tell him to turn around and go fark himself.  he just looks at me then wanders off for a bit before returning.
 
2014-06-15 10:13:45 AM  

SpdrJay: As long as all animals are terrified of the vacuum cleaner, humans will always rule the universe.


I'm human and I can't stand the sound of vacuum cleaners. (Although I'm not scared of them, they just sound like a mosquito times a billion to me.) What does that mean?
 
2014-06-15 10:21:55 AM  
Dogs read Rand?
 
2014-06-15 11:18:27 AM  
My parents' German Shepherd often won't take a treat unless you make him do something for it. Hell just sniff it and look at you, but if you make him do something and reward with the treat he'll gobble it right up.
 
2014-06-15 11:18:50 AM  

Pants full of macaroni!!: Dogs read Rand?


No, Rand read Dog.
 
2014-06-15 11:53:12 AM  

Seequinn: Pants full of macaroni!!: Dogs read Rand?

No, Rand read Dog.



Read, Rand, read!
Rand reads quick.
--Rand Paul
 
2014-06-15 12:02:45 PM  
My dog earns his supper every night.

His job starts as soon as I get home, or immediately after breakfast on the weekend.  This entails sitting with his nose about 6 inches from my face and staring intensely.  It is vitally important that he must never break eye contact and sigh deeply every 30 secs exactly.  I will sometimes make it more difficult by yelling at him, throwing things, locking him in another room, or taking him on long fun-filled walks, but he knows these are merely distractions, tests of his conviction.  At first opportunity he will resume his he role, nay, his DUTY, of my personal Stare-Sigher.

Then, finally, after a long hard days work, I give him supper.  And it tastes so much sweeter to him knowing that he earned it through a day  of toil.  My dog would never take handouts.  A fairs days work for a fairs day pay is  his motto and he lives by it.
 
2014-06-15 01:19:11 PM  
I know that when my dog comes up and steals food off of the coffee table, she always does at least a triple back flip. It always confused me before, but now it makes perfect sense.
 
2014-06-15 01:49:04 PM  
Yes Virginia, dogs are better than people.
 
2014-06-15 01:57:37 PM  
My dog "earns" his treats by coming up to me and telling me when I forgot to get off my ass and get one for him. Sometimes he sends the biatch.
 
2014-06-15 02:06:12 PM  

doofusgumby: Dogs require a pack. Cats require can openers.


Thanks for the TF a while back.

/haven't seen you around to thank you
 
2014-06-15 02:58:52 PM  
I'm not making this up, but most of the time my dog is just given a milk bone, he'll take it, then put it down, but if you make him do a trick, he always eats it.  Now if it's one of those moist treats, jerky, cheese, or real meat, he will almost always eat it trick or no trick.

/puppy pic
img.fark.net
//man they get ugly fast
 
2014-06-15 03:03:58 PM  
If earn means "following me to the kitchen and then desperately staring at me and then the cupboard door where the treats are stored and then repeating that action over and over again no matter what I'm doing" then yeah, he's all about earning it.
 
2014-06-15 07:09:58 PM  

TheSlothAlive: If earn means "following me to the kitchen and then desperately staring at me and then the cupboard door where the treats are stored and then repeating that action over and over again no matter what I'm doing" then yeah, he's all about earning it.


Yeah, that's pretty much what my dog does too. "Earning" also includes sleeping for hours, and then following me around the house and then sleeping under the cupboard while I fold laundry.
 
2014-06-15 09:36:25 PM  
My dog will accept a free treat, but also will look for a treat when they've done something of which I approve. That smacks of socialism, but I don't like snausages, so I go along with it.
 
2014-06-15 10:05:24 PM  
Well, the idea sounds legitimate, since most dogs are genetically programmed to consider playing/doing tricks to be a treat as well, so if you give them food afterward that's a double-plus.  I mean, crazy bastards actually enjoy exercise and retrieving things, for chrissake.

However, it's a Mail article, so I have to assume no study on this has ever been conducted in the entirety of history.
 
2014-06-15 10:19:02 PM  
My dog runs to his 'pooh zone' because he knows as soon as he's done he gets a treat. He knows his 'real' walk is separate from this potty trip, so he's happy to be quick and earn his treat.

Meanwhile my neighbor has to drag her dog 'round and round because her dog knows that as soon as he's done his business she'll drag him back inside and away from all those wonderful outdoor smells.
She's basically taught him to hold it as long as possible. She looks miserable in winter.
 
2014-06-16 04:32:29 AM  
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2014-06-16 10:20:41 AM  

syrynxx: Sounds like a Republican study.  "Why, I know of dogs who have received free food daily for several generations.  They've come to expect it for free.


Not sure about republican, but the above  is true for just about any higher order animal.  And animals who have been fed this way, have trouble surviving on their own in their natural environment.  That's just a statement of animal behaviour, not politics.
 
2014-06-16 11:57:33 AM  
Atlas barked.
 
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