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(NPR)   "...schools have tried to avoid the ambiguity by mandating that students get explicit verbal permission before making any sexual advance...The only way around the rule is if students have a prior verbal agreement to use a pre-arranged hand signal"   (npr.org) divider line 198
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433 [TotalFark]
2014-06-15 12:46:08 AM  
When I make a circle with my index finger and thumb, and thrust my other index finger in and out of said circle, I am making my intentions clear.
 
2014-06-15 01:26:37 AM  
When I reach into my wallet and pull out a twenty, I'm authorizing you and your Asian roommate with the Hello Kitty iphone cover to commence the mouth party.
 
433 [TotalFark]
2014-06-15 01:35:29 AM  
www.sickstrings.co.uk

Let us play with dice this evening, dear.
 
2014-06-15 01:35:45 AM  
When I pull focus on your boobs for more than 2 seconds, you're allowed to smother me with them.
 
433 [TotalFark]
2014-06-15 01:42:18 AM  
interculturaltalk.org

Tonight, let us go to an OK Go! show.
 
2014-06-15 01:54:17 AM  
 
433 [TotalFark]
2014-06-15 02:14:19 AM  
When I put my hand upon my hip, I wish to dip, for you to dip, and for us to dip together.
 
433 [TotalFark]
2014-06-15 02:18:50 AM  
When I form my hands as though completing a chin-up, and move my hands to the left and to the right level with my mouth, I am signaling to my partner that I wish to floss with cocks.
 
2014-06-15 02:25:44 AM  

433: When I make a circle with my index finger and thumb, and thrust my other index finger in and out of said circle, I am making my intentions clear.


Yes, but she must respond with the same gesture.

Unless it's gay sex:

Or lesbian sex
 
433 [TotalFark]
2014-06-15 02:32:02 AM  

TommyymmoT: 433: When I make a circle with my index finger and thumb, and thrust my other index finger in and out of said circle, I am making my intentions clear.

Yes, but she must respond with the same gesture.
Unless it's gay sex:
Or lesbian sex


When this gesture is performed in a vertical orientation with the index finger entering and exiting the circle from below, it is the signal for a "cowgirl."  Gender, or additional equipment, is not specified.
 
2014-06-15 02:34:31 AM  
ih1.redbubble.net
 
2014-06-15 02:38:35 AM  

D_S_W: [ih1.redbubble.net image 375x360]


i21.photobucket.com
 
2014-06-15 02:39:49 AM  
This is news? When I was in school, the administrators gave several annual lectures about this to scare the shiat out of us about being sued for sexual harassment or accused of all sorts of horrible things. The general rule was to never flirt with a girl unless you knew in advance that she was going to flirt back.

The problem with shiat like that is, the people that pay attention are the same people that were never going to cause a problem in the first place. The asshole predators will just go on about their business as usual.
 
2014-06-15 02:42:16 AM  
e3240c4bbb5dbc6ce55c-ad08ca0f2adcbd3e04ec4a01e8d48b65.r5.cf1.rackcdn.com
 
2014-06-15 02:45:56 AM  

zedster: Made me think of this virtual Bill Clinton from MTV back in the day


That's good stuff.
 
2014-06-15 02:47:47 AM  
They're trying to make a state law mandating this for schools in california. When the co-sponsor of the bill was asked how someone could avoid being a rapist under their law she said "Your guess is as good as mine. I think it's a legal issue. Like any legal issue, that goes to court".
 
2014-06-15 02:48:17 AM  
And Kentucky Fried Movie...er, maybe it was Amazon Women on the Moon, predicts the future once more.
 
2014-06-15 02:50:44 AM  
What if I signal with a flamethrower?
 
2014-06-15 02:51:19 AM  
 
2014-06-15 02:52:34 AM  
The only way to reliably enforce these rules will be to mandate videotaping of each encounter and submitting an archival copy to the university.
 
2014-06-15 02:53:59 AM  

jjorsett: The only way to reliably enforce these rules will be to mandate videotaping of each encounter and submitting an archival copy to the university.


Do you have a newsletter?
 
2014-06-15 02:54:53 AM  

433: When I make a circle with my index finger and thumb, and thrust my other index finger in and out of said circle, I am making my intentions clear.


i291.photobucket.com
 
2014-06-15 02:54:57 AM  
The only solution is to cut everyone's dicks off and sew their vaginas shut if they choose to go to a university.

If you go to community college, you can keep your dick.
 
2014-06-15 02:57:29 AM  

HotWingAgenda: The problem with shiat like that is, the people that pay attention are the same people that were never going to cause a problem in the first place. The asshole predators will just go on about their business as usual.


Yup.
 
2014-06-15 02:58:53 AM  

Nix Nightbird: The only solution is to cut everyone's dicks off and sew their vaginas shut if they choose to go to a university.

If you go to community college, you can keep your dick.


Don't be silly. The new policy requires that all sexual interactions be filmed. Any disputes, go to the instant replay. No tape? Both students are expelled.
 
2014-06-15 03:01:25 AM  
 
2014-06-15 03:07:45 AM  

worlddan: I'll just leave these here, for those who want background.

http://sashasaid.wordpress.com/2011/07/06/rape-and-consent-shifting- bu rdens/
http://freethoughtblogs.com/brutereason/2014/05/13/how-the-purity-my th -perpetuates-rape-culture/
http://mtcowgirl.com/2014/06/10/tea-party-republicans-outraged-over- bi ll-to-require-consensual-sex/


static.fjcdn.com
open it, u know u want to.....
 
2014-06-15 03:08:33 AM  
But other examples are trickier. One describes two friends, Morgan and Kai, who are engaging in sexual activity in Kai's room. Morgan "looks up at Kai questioningly" before escalating the activity and "Kai nods in agreement" so Morgan proceeds. But when Kai reciprocates, "Morgan lies still for a few minutes, then moves away, saying it is late and they should sleep." On that one, Yale says that Kai wrongly assumed that it was OK to reciprocate "but took no steps to obtain unambiguous agreement. The ... penalty would likely be a reprimand."

By "reciprocating" to what someone is already doing to you, you're guilty of something if you don't ask permission? I guess if they make practically all sexual activity a violation of some rule or another, they can say they're leading the charge to eliminate "rape culture". This will surely fix things.
 
2014-06-15 03:08:42 AM  
Does it have to be a hand signal?
www.donebynone.com
 
2014-06-15 03:09:35 AM  

433: TommyymmoT: 433: When I make a circle with my index finger and thumb, and thrust my other index finger in and out of said circle, I am making my intentions clear.

Yes, but she must respond with the same gesture.
Unless it's gay sex:
Or lesbian sex

When this gesture is performed in a vertical orientation with the index finger entering and exiting the circle from below, it is the signal for a "cowgirl."  Gender, or additional equipment, is not specified.


I didn't mean for that to post when Fark forbade the 3 GIFs that went along with them, due to file size.

The first GIF was of what you described, the second was 2 index fingers touching, and the third was 2 Vulcan greetings interlocking.
 
2014-06-15 03:13:39 AM  
In another few years it'll be a five page contract with a notary signature required.
 
2014-06-15 03:15:03 AM  
Throw out your hands!!
Stick out your tush!!
Hands on your hips
Give them a push!!
You'll be surprised
You're doing the French prearranged non-verbal signal to indicate consent to sexual activity!!
VOILA!!
 
2014-06-15 03:15:19 AM  

some_beer_drinker: worlddan: I'll just leave these here, for those who want background.

http://sashasaid.wordpress.com/2011/07/06/rape-and-consent-shifting- bu rdens/
http://freethoughtblogs.com/brutereason/2014/05/13/how-the-purity-my th -perpetuates-rape-culture/
http://mtcowgirl.com/2014/06/10/tea-party-republicans-outraged-over- bi ll-to-require-consensual-sex/

[static.fjcdn.com image 494x395]
open it, u know u want to.....



The Mystery Box, which could contain anything from a collection of spirit dolls, to 40 lbs. of rape, or even the prize you actually wanted, or nothing at all.
i.imgur.com

/Rape is so negative,  lets call it surprise sex instead
 
2014-06-15 03:16:07 AM  

SpdrJay: In another few years it'll be a five page contract with a notary signature required.


If the other party breaches the contract, could we sue for specific performance?
 
2014-06-15 03:19:35 AM  

cepson: SpdrJay: In another few years it'll be a five page contract with a notary signature required.

If the other party breaches the contract, could we sue for specific performance?


The parties would need to exchange consideration, and then there's that whole unconscionability issue with contracts. If you enter into a contract to compel someone to have sex with you, that's prostitution. Unless you videotape it to sell, in some locales.
 
2014-06-15 03:27:43 AM  
FTFA:  "How do you not know if you raped someone or not?"

You know something is very, very wrong when people ask questions like that.
 
2014-06-15 03:33:05 AM  

worlddan: http://sashasaid.wordpress.com/2011/07/06/rape-and-consent-shifting- bu rdens/


"The law presumes women old enough to legally have sex to exist in a state of perpetual consent. Unless you are able to prove beyond a reasonable doubt-a very high standard-that you did not consent to sex, the law assumes that whatever dude came along and forced himself on you had the right to do so. "

Interesting twist on the concept of "innocent until proven guilty."

worlddan: http://freethoughtblogs.com/brutereason/2014/05/13/how-the-purity-my th -perpetuates-rape-culture/


The use of "rape culture" in the title lets me know I don't need to read this.

worlddan: http://mtcowgirl.com/2014/06/10/tea-party-republicans-outraged-over- bi ll-to-require-consensual-sex/


It'd be nice if mtcowgirl would quote what was actually posted when she quotes a source: "Miller also posted this article, which grossly distorts the purpose of the bill. He calls the proposal an unwanted intrusion [which he doesn't] and 'control' [he doesn't use this word] over 'what happens in the bedroom.'[nor does he use this phrase]" True, he does distort the bill's purpose, but no one needs to embellish his drivel to show him for the goof he is.
 
2014-06-15 03:36:10 AM  

Boo_Guy: Rape is so negative,  lets call it surprise sex instead


img.photobucket.com
 
2014-06-15 03:38:30 AM  

HotWingAgenda: The general rule was to never flirt with a girl unless you knew in advance that she was going to flirt back.


I'm sure that's what it sounded like through your self-pitying teenage filter.  When in fact the message is "if you flirt with someone and they don't show any interest, back the fark off, creep."  Lack of interest does not mean "try harder".  Life is not a romcom, and women are not awards you get for persistence.

You'd think that was a simple message but so many, many men (and I assume some women) cannot seem to grasp.  Unfortunately that is the attitude the "pick up artist" culture is now putting out all over the internet.  Try harder, try again.  Touch her even though she shows no interest or moves away.  Ignore her clear discomfort and push it until she is actually forced to say "no", and then wait a while and try again.


Empty Are: By "reciprocating" to what someone is already doing to you, you're guilty of something if you don't ask permission?


I gather from the article they're trying to get people thinking about coercion, from both sides.  Both men and women sometimes let sex happen to them when they don't really want it.  Sometimes their partner can't read the signals, sometimes they don't want to read the signals. Since the problem is caused by a failure to communicate, their recommended solution is *gasp* to clearly communicate.

Lack of "no" is not "yes", it might be "oh no I'm in over my head and I don't really want this, but I'm too anxious/freaked out to say anything and I lead them on so I'll just go along with it".  Is it really such a hassle to check, verbally, one last time before thrusting your cock into someone (or their cock into you) that that is in fact what they want?

I like that in the examples you can't work our the gender of the participants.  Stops people from thinking of something as not applying to them because they're male/female/straight/gay.
 
2014-06-15 03:42:37 AM  

rzrwiresunrise: "The law presumes women old enough to legally have sex to exist in a state of perpetual consent. Unless you are able to prove beyond a reasonable doubt-a very high standard-that you did not consent to sex, the law assumes that whatever dude came along and forced himself on you had the right to do so. "

Interesting twist on the concept of "innocent until proven guilty."


This one has been going around recently. for a few people "innocent until proven guilty" shouldn't apply to rape accusations, for some bizarre reason.

rzrwiresunrise: The use of "rape culture" in the title lets me know I don't need to read this.


"freethoughtblogs" was my clue, but I still read it. you didn't miss anything
 
2014-06-15 03:43:49 AM  

HotWingAgenda: The problem with shiat like that is, the people that pay attention are the same people that were never going to cause a problem in the first place. The asshole predators will just go on about their business as usual.


This is my impression about a lot of things. It's why we have prisons.

The university instead of pretending that 'it's all miscommunication' should instead commit to expelling mashers and getting rapists tossed in jail. And if that means giving the guys on your cruddy football team the the boot so be.
 
2014-06-15 03:44:31 AM  

Uncle Tractor: FTFA:  "How do you not know if you raped someone or not?"

You know something is very, very wrong when people ask questions like that.


Yeah it is fairly weird. I mean someone that just regrets having sex can be said to have been raped. It kinda turns the whole concept of rape on its head and makes it harder for a lot of people to take it seriously so that now you have a lot of people that feel like they have to wonder if someone is talking about real rape versus pseudo rape.

It seems like it likely came about from some well meaning groups trying to get women to be more open about talking about actual instances of rape tried pointing out what all conditions are necessary to be considered rape just started creating such lax criteria for it that it all just got a bit silly.

One thing I find kinda funny though is how if a man and woman both have a bit to drink and sleep with each other, then the guy can be considered to have raped the woman (at least by certain groups), but yet the woman won't have been considered a rapist herself despite having committed the same actions.

The only real solution is likely to set up stations in cities and especially colleges where consent forms are available as well as a notary public to help authorize sexual acts as being fully consensual for that particular instance. Which would also help with creating a lot of jobs in the process that would help invigorate local economies.
 
2014-06-15 03:47:28 AM  

gibbon1: HotWingAgenda: The problem with shiat like that is, the people that pay attention are the same people that were never going to cause a problem in the first place. The asshole predators will just go on about their business as usual.

This is my impression about a lot of things. It's why we have prisons.

The university instead of pretending that 'it's all miscommunication' should instead commit to expelling mashers and getting rapists tossed in jail. And if that means giving the guys on your cruddy football team the the boot so be.


So if it's a good football team they get away with it?
 
2014-06-15 03:47:31 AM  

log_jammin: This one has been going around recently. for a few people "innocent until proven guilty" shouldn't apply to rape accusations, for some bizarre reason.


Yeah, the concept doesn't mean that a crime didn't happen, just that the person accused is presumed innocent 'til it be proven otherwise.
 
2014-06-15 03:48:47 AM  

Demiglace: (at least by certain groups)


http://skepchick.org/
 
2014-06-15 03:52:55 AM  
It was bound to come to this.

My wife was shocked to know that when she awoke me with a most delightful blowjob the other day, under Canadian law, she raped me.

By the unbelievably loose definitions of rape being pushed by feminists, me, my wife and several of my ex-girlfriends are guilty of rape many times over.

And my wife used to complain that I was far too diffident in initiating sex.
 
2014-06-15 03:53:19 AM  

Boo_Guy: Rape is so negative, lets call it surprise sex instead


I prefer the term 'Struggle snuggle' , Yes your honor I raped her, I raped her with love. Now is that so wrong?
 
2014-06-15 03:55:13 AM  
How out of touch can all these schools really be with their student body? Their not even living in the same world. From elementary to collage, the kids don't take any of this crap seriously. I remember feeling embarrassed for the the teachers and the performers in the little drug and alcohol assemblies. Can't believe they don't have like a student review panel to run this stuff by to atleast cut down on some of this ridiculousness before it gets the green light.

www.tvfort.com
 
2014-06-15 03:59:01 AM  

log_jammin: Demiglace: (at least by certain groups)

http://skepchick.org/


That's two ostensibly feminist blogs that I've encountered through links here on Fark that mention being either snarky or sarcastic. Is that a requirement or something? That an entire site be sarcastic or snarky?
 
2014-06-15 04:01:03 AM  
What is this sex that you speak of?
 
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