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(CBS Los Angeles 2)   If Baghdad falls, today's gas prices will "look like a bargain in a couple weeks". Happy vacation season, everyone   (losangeles.cbslocal.com) divider line 261
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2014-06-14 01:38:53 PM  
If we do nothing, gas prices go up.
If we do something, gas prices go up.
If the sun rises...
 
2014-06-14 01:52:05 PM  
Was Iraq actually exporting any oil?
 
2014-06-14 01:57:47 PM  

IgG4: Was Iraq actually exporting any oil?


Contracts were signed by Big Oil in 2k8
 
2014-06-14 02:01:45 PM  

IgG4: Was Iraq actually exporting any oil?


Yeah... I was wondering just how big a contributor they are myself

/found this: Iraq was the sixth largest net exporter of petroleum liquids in the world in 2012, with the majority of its oil exports going to the United States and to refineries in Asia.
 
2014-06-14 03:49:40 PM  

phillydrifter: 2k8


Is it really that much more difficult to type "2008?"

It's one extra keystroke.
 
2014-06-14 04:15:30 PM  

Shostie: phillydrifter: 2k8

Is it really that much more difficult to type "2008?"

It's one extra keystroke.


U 8'nt hip 2 da lingo, brah ...
 
2014-06-14 04:20:40 PM  

Shostie: phillydrifter: 2k8

Is it really that much more difficult to type "2008?"

It's one extra keystroke.


And I probably had an extra stroke trying to read it... i like eggs! I like you, Betty.
 
2014-06-14 04:45:45 PM  
Mission accomplished?
 
2014-06-14 04:48:28 PM  

Shostie: Is it really that much more difficult to type "2008?"


He's just used to it from playing EA's Future Trader 2k8
 
2014-06-14 04:52:03 PM  
2k8,

Thx 4 b'n my gf.

<3,
PRNCE WLM
 
2014-06-14 04:52:26 PM  
Most of the current gas price is based on futures and speculation. But, I'd definitely refrain from fueling up within 48 hours of Baghdad's fall; if it happens.
 
2014-06-14 05:04:33 PM  
Isis already holds Tikrit. Whether or not they can keep it is up in the air. Gas be going up either way
 
2014-06-14 05:05:24 PM  
Guess I have to hope I'm hired close to home. There are two shopping centers within a mile of my place, for crying out loud.
 
2014-06-14 05:06:21 PM  
Heh. Glad I drive a Volt. Haven't bought gas in over six months and only twice in the last year.
 
2014-06-14 05:06:59 PM  

iheartscotch: Most of the current gas price is based on futures and speculation. But, I'd definitely refrain from fueling up within 48 hours of Baghdad's fall; if it happens.


They are going to speculate the SHIAT out of gas prices
 
2014-06-14 05:07:23 PM  

Shostie: phillydrifter: 2k8

Is it really that much more difficult to type "2008?"

It's one extra keystroke.


Judging by his handle he's from Philly, so the answer to your question is yes.
 
2014-06-14 05:09:20 PM  
I take the bus, so I'm good.
 
2014-06-14 05:09:58 PM  
All I'm saying is, next time we go to war for oil. Let's get some oil.
 
2014-06-14 05:11:00 PM  
Because reasons.
 
2014-06-14 05:11:42 PM  
Well, at least one good thing will come of it.
 
2014-06-14 05:14:19 PM  

Fark like a Barsoomian: All I'm saying is, next time we go to war for oil. Let's get some oil.


We should get the oil upfront.
 
2014-06-14 05:15:18 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: IgG4: Was Iraq actually exporting any oil?

Yeah... I was wondering just how big a contributor they are myself

/found this: Iraq was the sixth largest net exporter of petroleum liquids in the world in 2012, with the majority of its oil exports going to the United States and to refineries in Asia.


But yet the majority of oil imported into the US comes from Canada.
 
2014-06-14 05:15:21 PM  
And another civil war begins. It's gonna be armagheddon, millions slaughtered
 
2014-06-14 05:16:24 PM  
My commute is 4 minutes...I'll live.
 
2014-06-14 05:16:26 PM  
But I've been assured by many Fark Independents our involvement in Iraq had nothing to do with oil. So this can't possibly be true.
 
2014-06-14 05:16:43 PM  
i say let them fall, they knew what they were getting into.
 
2014-06-14 05:16:48 PM  
Obama planned this so he can okay the Keystone pipeline and look like he's a hero.
 
2014-06-14 05:17:41 PM  
Which is absolute profiteering bull crap, as only 3% of US oil is imported from Iraq.
Farking treasonous, self-serving actions by the US oil industry.
 
2014-06-14 05:17:58 PM  

Shostie: It's one extra keystroke.


Keystrokes can lead to keysucks.
 
2014-06-14 05:18:18 PM  

IgG4: Was Iraq actually exporting any oil?


Well, for the Chinese, they were. We just provided the blood.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/03/world/middleeast/china-reaps-bigge st -benefits-of-iraq-oil-boom.html?pagewanted=all
 
2014-06-14 05:18:55 PM  

zerkalo: And another civil war begins. It's gonna be armagheddon, millions slaughtered


Cats and dogs living together. Mass hysteria.
 
2014-06-14 05:20:31 PM  

Laobaojun: Which is absolute profiteering bull crap, as only 3% of US oil is imported from Iraq.
Farking treasonous, self-serving actions by the US oil industry.


But if someone else (China) can't get their oil, and Iran is functionally offline, the global price will go up. No matter how many holes we drill in North Dakota.
 
2014-06-14 05:21:03 PM  

Laobaojun: Which is absolute profiteering bull crap, as only 3% of US oil is imported from Iraq.
Farking treasonous, self-serving actions by the US oil industry.


And before the "citation needed", the citation.
 
2014-06-14 05:21:39 PM  

zerkalo: And another civil war begins. It's gonna be armagheddon, millions slaughtered


Don't know about millions- maybe over the entire timeframe. But it was obvious what was going to happen at the outset.

The US keeps thinking they can do this thing where they go in with the military, kick some ass for a while, spend a bunch of money and then put in whatever government they want.

It simply doesn't work. Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan... the last time we managed to actually install a new government in a defeated enemy nation was pretty much Japan.

And nobody's willing to consider the price required to do it again. I've said it before and I'll stand by it- unless you're willing to see at least 15% of an entire generation dead, you're not going to win. If you want to completely destroy a government and replace it, you have to be willing to destroy their society and that means killing a lot of people. Whether it's bullets, bombs or nukes, you have to be willing to murder entire cities, not just individuals or small areas.

Until we remember that to defeat an enemy means to kill enough of them that the entire culture is broken, we'll keep coming back here. You can't engage in nation-building unless you're willing to engage in nation-destroying.

The reason we're so bad at it is that we can't stomach the cost unless it's imposed on us, as it was in World War II. When it's our own choice, we're not willing to do what's necessary to actually accomplish the goal. And that's why it's always been a bad idea, and will continue to be one because we spend blood and treasure for nothing.
 
2014-06-14 05:21:44 PM  

Laobaojun: Which is absolute profiteering bull crap, as only 3% of US oil is imported from Iraq.
Farking treasonous, self-serving actions by the US oil industry.


www.freewilliamsburg.com

Cry sum moar, peasant. I ain't done fapping! HUR HUR HUR HUR HUR!!
 
2014-06-14 05:22:39 PM  

jehovahs witness protection: Obama planned this so he can okay the Keystone pipeline and look like he's a hero.


How would raising gas prices make him look like a hero?
 
2014-06-14 05:26:57 PM  
I drive less than 250 miles per year but when fuel prices go up then the price of everything goes up regardless of what you do personally
 
2014-06-14 05:27:43 PM  

Cyclometh: zerkalo: And another civil war begins. It's gonna be armagheddon, millions slaughtered

Don't know about millions- maybe over the entire timeframe. But it was obvious what was going to happen at the outset.

The US keeps thinking they can do this thing where they go in with the military, kick some ass for a while, spend a bunch of money and then put in whatever government they want.

It simply doesn't work. Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan... the last time we managed to actually install a new government in a defeated enemy nation was pretty much Japan.

And nobody's willing to consider the price required to do it again. I've said it before and I'll stand by it- unless you're willing to see at least 15% of an entire generation dead, you're not going to win. If you want to completely destroy a government and replace it, you have to be willing to destroy their society and that means killing a lot of people. Whether it's bullets, bombs or nukes, you have to be willing to murder entire cities, not just individuals or small areas.

Until we remember that to defeat an enemy means to kill enough of them that the entire culture is broken, we'll keep coming back here. You can't engage in nation-building unless you're willing to engage in nation-destroying.

The reason we're so bad at it is that we can't stomach the cost unless it's imposed on us, as it was in World War II. When it's our own choice, we're not willing to do what's necessary to actually accomplish the goal. And that's why it's always been a bad idea, and will continue to be one because we spend blood and treasure for nothing.


sounds hawt. let's get some boots on the ground.
 
2014-06-14 05:28:16 PM  
humboldtsentinel.com
 
2014-06-14 05:28:21 PM  
The only way directly it can affect my family, is my wife is the only one who drives, I do not. I just ride my bike. Mostly to about a 3 mile radius or so. I understand prices for groceries, bike parts, etc will go up, but not as much of a direct impact to my wallet. Plus, living in a "poor" state helps.
 
2014-06-14 05:28:23 PM  

Cyclometh: Heh. Glad I drive a Volt. Haven't bought gas in over six months and only twice in the last year.


Mine is perfect for me. Even texts me when charging is complete.
 
2014-06-14 05:31:00 PM  
Thanks, Obama.

//obligatory.
 
2014-06-14 05:31:42 PM  
Ooooooh!  An Analyst predicted something!!  He must be right, then!!!  Everyone run for cover!!!!
 
KNW
2014-06-14 05:33:18 PM  
After convering Canadian pesos to American dollars, I'm already paying over $5/gal; and I'm in the province with the lowest fuel prices.

So if you're looking for pity, you can seriously go fark yourselves.
 
2014-06-14 05:33:28 PM  
I have G6.
 
2014-06-14 05:34:04 PM  
Well then Obama gets his wish, why are y'all biatchin?

1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-06-14 05:34:05 PM  

some_beer_drinker: sounds hawt. let's get some boots on the ground.


Joking aside, I'm deadly serious. Unless the US is willing to commit to the kind of scale of warfare that we saw in WWII- utter devastation on a massive scale and concomitant casualties, we're just not going to have the results people seem to think we will. Unless you're willing to accept that we'd have to do what was done in Dresden, Osaka, Kassel, Darmstadt, London, and Berlin- completely destroy cities and commit the resources to see that it's actually done, and follow it up with, as you so prosaically put it, "boots on the ground", we're not going to see success in any "regime change" we ever attempt militarily.
 
2014-06-14 05:34:36 PM  

Cyclometh: And nobody's willing to consider the price required to do it again. I've said it before and I'll stand by it- unless you're willing to see at least 15% of an entire generation dead, you're not going to win. If you want to completely destroy a government and replace it, you have to be willing to destroy their society and that means killing a lot of people


Germany lost about 10%, Japan 4%. Both were crushed.
 
2014-06-14 05:36:31 PM  

hasty ambush: Well then Obama gets his wish, why are y'all biatchin?


Who is biatching?
 
2014-06-14 05:36:38 PM  
The US is a net exporter of oil.
 
2014-06-14 05:39:11 PM  

Red Shirt Blues: Germany lost about 10%, Japan 4%. Both were crushed.


10% is the minimum- generally the majority will need to be military-age men. Japan's kind of a special case because nukes changed the game; look what happened to Japanese culture in the wake of those. Still, if you're willing to pop a few nukes, you could get the same result with lower overall casualties.

The point is that war's not clean, and unless we're willing to get our hands really bloody, it's a bad choice. Probably a bad choice even then, but if you're aware of the costs going in and that unless you pay those costs that success is impossible, maybe we could see some alternatives on the table.
 
2014-06-14 05:39:37 PM  
"I think they're in the last throes, if you will, of the insurgency."
-- Dick Cheney, July 20, 2005
 
2014-06-14 05:39:51 PM  

jehovahs witness protection: Obama planned this so he can okay the Keystone pipeline and look like he's a hero.


Selling Canadian oil to China makes him a hero?
 
2014-06-14 05:39:58 PM  
Oh wow, didn't think I'd see whack job conspiracy theories with Obama in this thread but here we are. Hopefully they won't connect the dots to Benghazi
 
2014-06-14 05:41:32 PM  

Cyclometh: Unless the US is willing to commit to the kind of scale of warfare that we saw in WWII- utter devastation on a massive scale and concomitant casualties, we're just not going to have the results people seem to think we will.


In order to successfully liberate the Iraqi people, we should have killed them all. Thanks for your insight.
 
2014-06-14 05:42:53 PM  

Freschel: zerkalo: And another civil war begins. It's gonna be armagheddon, millions slaughtered

Cats and dogs living together. Mass hysteria.


Relevant
 
2014-06-14 05:43:19 PM  
Baghdad is not going to fall.  There's not that many of these guys, and can probably be handled exclusively by air.  Also, their troops probably won't all run away this time.  Maybe.
 
2014-06-14 05:43:22 PM  
If monkeys come flying out of my butt I will win the power ball

/why are we wasting time talking about very unlikely events
 
2014-06-14 05:44:08 PM  
So... they finally admit it.  And here all this time I thought it was really aboot getting rid of a dictator and freedom fries.
 
2014-06-14 05:44:52 PM  
"If Baghdad falls" is a mighty big "if."  ISIS holds Tikrit?  Does that city support the current regime, or were they more supportive of Saddam Hussein al Tikriti's regime?
 
2014-06-14 05:45:22 PM  

jaytkay: In order to successfully liberate the Iraqi people, we should have killed them all. Thanks for your insight.


You're missing the point. I'm saying that we could never have "liberated" anything or anyone unless we were willing to kill enough people to completely destroy their culture and society. The choice to go into Iraq was the wrong one because the cost of achieving the victory conditions was never considered and could never have been paid.

I'm not arguing that we should have killed more people in Iraq. I'm saying that if you look at history, it should have been clear that the only way to achieve the stated goal was to do so. And that maybe knowing that we shouldn't have tried.

Because now, here we are. And yes, I told you so.
 
2014-06-14 05:46:31 PM  

CruJones: Baghdad is not going to fall.  There's not that many of these guys, and can probably be handled exclusively by air.  Also, their troops probably won't all run away this time.  Maybe.


cdn.frontpagemag.com
 
2014-06-14 05:47:03 PM  

Cyclometh: Heh. Glad I drive a Volt. Haven't bought gas in over six months and only twice in the last year.


You buy gas in another form, so electricity, food, toiletries, etc... Goes up.
 
2014-06-14 05:48:49 PM  

Cyclometh: the stated goal was to do so.


The stated goal was liberating the Iraqis from dictatorship.
 
2014-06-14 05:49:49 PM  

People_are_Idiots: You buy gas in another form, so electricity, food, toiletries, etc... Goes up.


The economy absorbs indirect costs more effectively over the other commodities I purchase. Yes, other costs go up, but when gas goes from $3.75 a gallon to $6.50 a gallon (just to give some numbers), my transportation costs don't go up by that much, nor do my other costs spike as high.

Besides which, if I drove a gas-using vehicle, I'd  still be paying extra for the gas as well as additional costs as other goods go up in price. So I'm still ahead of the game.
 
2014-06-14 05:50:24 PM  

hasty ambush: Well then Obama gets his wish, why are y'all biatchin?

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That would really be the best thing for this country in the long run.  Can you imagine the investment in alternative energies if fossil fuel costs tripled?  A solar panel on every house, new nuc facilities would be built, it would finally be profitable to collect the massive amount of natural gas that now is just burned in the field.  Hell, we'd be energy independent within 5 years and could be totally green within 20.  To bad the politicians don't have the guts to let it happen.
 
2014-06-14 05:50:46 PM  
Millions of people chased from their homes as an authoritarian government composed of hard-line religious fundamentalists seizes huge swaths of territory in a country recently controlled by our own military in a vicious ~5 year insurgency? "Meh"

Gas prices could be affected? "OH GOD NO WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING!"
 
2014-06-14 05:50:49 PM  

jaytkay: Cyclometh: Unless the US is willing to commit to the kind of scale of warfare that we saw in WWII- utter devastation on a massive scale and concomitant casualties, we're just not going to have the results people seem to think we will.

In order to successfully liberate the Iraqi people, we should have killed them all. Thanks for your insight.


Or not try, I think is his argument.

Sounds good to me.
 
2014-06-14 05:50:58 PM  

jaytkay: The stated goal was liberating the Iraqis from dictatorship.


Actually, that's not correct. That was the post hoc justification. And even if it were, it's been unsuccessful and only looks to get worse.
 
2014-06-14 05:54:53 PM  

BigLuca: hasty ambush: Well then Obama gets his wish, why are y'all biatchin?

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That would really be the best thing for this country in the long run.  Can you imagine the investment in alternative energies if fossil fuel costs tripled?  A solar panel on every house, new nuc facilities would be built, it would finally be profitable to collect the massive amount of natural gas that now is just burned in the field.  Hell, we'd be energy independent within 5 years and could be totally green within 20.  To bad the politicians don't have the guts to let it happen.


Minus the nukes and natural gas...

/here is your wind farm kit citizen.
 
2014-06-14 05:55:44 PM  
I really, really wish Obama would step up to the podium and say:

"Know what? We tried. We farking tried. It's come to the point that the United States has two options now...one, we turn Iraq into a glass parking lot, but we're not doing that. Our only other option is to bring everyone home. That's what we're doing. I'm sorry for the people that sided with us, but we honestly can't afford to police your country anymore, especially when a lot of the population sides with power-hungry assholes who are smart enough to make race and religion their bread and butter. If that's what you want, that's what you get.

"I get it, WE get it. You don't want us here. We're leaving. Good luck, you'll need it."
 
2014-06-14 05:55:50 PM  

Nemosomen: "If Baghdad falls" is a mighty big "if."  ISIS holds Tikrit?  Does that city support the current regime, or were they more supportive of Saddam Hussein al Tikriti's regime?


Baghdad might not fall, but it might need to be renamed "Mogadishu North".

jaytkay: The stated goal was liberating the Iraqis from dictatorship.


The "stated goal" was to eliminate Iraq's nonexistent WMDs.
 
2014-06-14 05:56:00 PM  
Iraq was under the power of a greedy dictator for years, gas prices were cheap and stable ($1.29-1.39 from the 80s - early 2000s)
We took over Iraq, gas prices went up to unprecedented highs (remember, most gas pumps were, by design, incapable of registering more than $1.99 a gallon?)
Iraq achieved "independence," gas prices stayed up.
Iraq has issues again, gas prices go up.
Something doesn't quite add up here.

As far as the yahoos taking over cities there, there are relatively few roads between cities. As the "militants" are a bunch of towelheads riding around in Toyota pickups, why can't we, or the Iraqi army for that matter, just bomb or blockade the main highways leading into Baghdad? If the militants can't get there they can't take anything over. Blast 'em into the stone age like we did to Saddam's army when they were fleeing Kuwait during Desert Storm.

Better yet, go high tech and use an EMP weapon to disable the pickups!
 
2014-06-14 05:57:27 PM  
Oil prices are part of a big game being played by rich assholes.  They reflect the emotions of investors and not the actual state of the world.

The US imports over double the amount of petroleum from Canada than it does from the next highest source - Saudi Arabia.  Iraq doesn't even factor into the numbers.  Only about 13% of America's oil actually comes from the Middle East.

People have this impression that all the oil comes from the ME, and that if some Saudi or Iraqi guy has a bad day he can fark over the entire country with a phone call.  That is exaggerated.   I would say people should be more worried about gas prices when a Canadian hockey team loses a game, or when moose stampedes damage the oil facilities.
 
2014-06-14 05:59:49 PM  
So, the war really WAS for oil....
 
2014-06-14 06:00:21 PM  

Laobaojun: Which is absolute profiteering bull crap, as only 3% of US oil is imported from Iraq.
Farking treasonous, self-serving actions by the US oil industry.


Oil industry?
You mean all of the commodities speculators on Wall Street are actually Oil Company employees?
Learn something new every day.
 
2014-06-14 06:03:52 PM  

Raoul Eaton: Ooooooh!  An Analyst predicted something!!  He must be right, then!!!  Everyone run for cover!!!!


Well, we'll see how much market panic this creates, then we can determine how good of an analyst he is.
 
2014-06-14 06:05:11 PM  

destrip: Iraq was under the power of a greedy dictator for years, gas prices were cheap and stable ($1.29-1.39 from the 80s - early 2000s)
We took over Iraq, gas prices went up to unprecedented highs (remember, most gas pumps were, by design, incapable of registering more than $1.99 a gallon?)
Iraq achieved "independence," gas prices stayed up.
Iraq has issues again, gas prices go up.
Something doesn't quite add up here.

As far as the yahoos taking over cities there, there are relatively few roads between cities. As the "militants" are a bunch of towelheads riding around in Toyota pickups, why can't we, or the Iraqi army for that matter, just bomb or blockade the main highways leading into Baghdad? If the militants can't get there they can't take anything over. Blast 'em into the stone age like we did to Saddam's army when they were fleeing Kuwait during Desert Storm.

Better yet, go high tech and use an EMP weapon to disable the pickups!


I didn't know Tom Clancy was a Farker.
 
2014-06-14 06:06:00 PM  

jaytkay: Cyclometh: the stated goal was to do so.

The stated goal was liberating the Iraqis from dictatorship.


For a long time the stated goal was standing up the Iraq army so we could get the hell out of there.  That's why it baffles me when John McCain calls the surge a victory.
 
2014-06-14 06:06:34 PM  
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2014-06-14 06:08:42 PM  

Laobaojun: Which is absolute profiteering bull crap, as only 3% of US oil is imported from Iraq.
Farking treasonous, self-serving actions by the US oil industry.


By US, do you mean world wide? Or will US gas prices be the only ones rising?
 
2014-06-14 06:09:16 PM  

rikkards: But yet the majority of oil imported into the US comes from Canada.


dilbert.com
 
2014-06-14 06:09:30 PM  

Pattuq: Oil prices are part of a big game being played by rich assholes.  They reflect the emotions of investors and not the actual state of the world.

The US imports over double the amount of petroleum from Canada than it does from the next highest source - Saudi Arabia.  Iraq doesn't even factor into the numbers.  Only about 13% of America's oil actually comes from the Middle East.

People have this impression that all the oil comes from the ME, and that if some Saudi or Iraqi guy has a bad day he can fark over the entire country with a phone call.  That is exaggerated.   I would say people should be more worried about gas prices when a Canadian hockey team loses a game, or when moose stampedes damage the oil facilities.


eh?
 
2014-06-14 06:09:54 PM  
Gas prices go too high, people quit using as much, demand and prices go down.  Demand stays up,  Saudis open up the taps little after a call from the US, and Strategic Oil Reserve lets go of a little, prices come down. Destroying the world economy with too high of fuel prices is not going to happen.
 
2014-06-14 06:10:12 PM  
For all those talking about how the US is a net exporter of oil:

You're  technically correct (the best kind?) but failing to take into account that our refineries- which produce gasoline- are not typically set up or designed to refine the type of oil we produce domestically.

We export it because we can't refine it cheaply here. We could retool the infrastructure to do so but that comes with its own costs.

So for now we're still very much dependent on oil from foreign sources for our fuels.
 
2014-06-14 06:11:56 PM  

jaytkay: "I think they're in the last throes, if you will, of the insurgency."
-- Dick Cheney, July 20, 2005


At the time they were.

But since we're posting snippy quotes, how about a few that are more relevant?

"I am very optimistic about -- about Iraq. I mean, this could be one of the great achievements of this administration. "
- Joe Biden, On CNN, February 2010

"Al Qaeda has been decimated"
- Barack Obama, Nov. 1 2012
 
2014-06-14 06:13:30 PM  

RanDomino: Nemosomen: "If Baghdad falls" is a mighty big "if."  ISIS holds Tikrit?  Does that city support the current regime, or were they more supportive of Saddam Hussein al Tikriti's regime?

Baghdad might not fall, but it might need to be renamed "Mogadishu North".


It definitely won't fall. ISIS only has a few thousand men and they're overstretched already. The reason all the other cities "fell" is because a significantly larger (30K soldiers) and better equipped (tanks, air power) Iraqi security force was also majority Sunni, and not the least bit interested in fighting to support a corrupt and sectarian shiate government in Baghdad. (Imagine that those wacky Tea Party "we're gonna go arrest Obama" movements was making its way through Texas: the Texas National Guard would be far more likely to clear the road to DC for them than they would be to fight them.)

On the other hand, Baghdad is in a majority Shia area, and the able-bodied Shia men there will have no reluctance to defend the city vigorously. Ultimately, we're going to wind up with the sort of Sunni/Shia partitioning that we should've done in the first place
 
2014-06-14 06:13:48 PM  

Saturn5: rikkards: But yet the majority of oil imported into the US comes from Canada.


Scott Adams is pretty smug for someone who doesn't grasp the concept of supply and demand.
 
2014-06-14 06:14:29 PM  
On the plus side, the USA, Canada, the UK, and Mexico can ease any drops in Saudi production. OPEC  is weaker than it used to be for this reason. Iran might be willing to produce and export more, possibly Venezuela and Nigeria might cheat a bit, Russia will do as it pleases for fun and profit.

Not shown: China. It can run its production on coal and increasingly solar, wind, gas, and nuclear power so it can throw in its massive weight to prevent its best customers from slipping into recession at tremendous risk and cost to itself. Chin is expected to become the largest global economy in the world this year or next at the latest.

Don't panic. Keep calm and look into alternative transportation.
 
2014-06-14 06:14:55 PM  
"A fighter using a loudspeaker urged the people to join the militant group "to liberate Baghdad and Jerusalem," according to CBS News. "

/shiatstorm in process
 
2014-06-14 06:20:04 PM  
Uzzah:
On the other hand, Baghdad is in a majority Shia area, and the able-bodied Shia men there will have no reluctance to defend the city vigorously. Ultimately, we're going to wind up with the sort of Sunni/Shia partitioning that we should've done in the first place

You seem knowledgeable, so let me ask you a question.  What are the odds Iran would get involved?  I mean, if the Sunni uprising actually did threaten Baghdad, wouldn't they step in?
 
2014-06-14 06:20:15 PM  
Harper must be rubbing his pudgy white hands together with glee, though. Higher oil prices are great for Alberta and that is pretty much all he cares about except the Arctic, which will eventually replace Alberta's conventional oil and high cost non-conventional oil. He's an economist. A right-wing economist. A right-wing economist with the political instincts of a ruthless XIXth century plutocrat.
 
2014-06-14 06:20:49 PM  

FiggyPudding: "A fighter using a loudspeaker urged the people to join the militant group "to liberate Baghdad and Jerusalem," according to CBS News. "

/shiatstorm in process


Eh, that's just propaganda. These guys might make things a little interesting I'm Baghdad, but they won't do jack shiat about Jerusalem.
 
2014-06-14 06:22:13 PM  

zepher: "Al Qaeda has been decimated"
- Barack Obama, Nov. 1 2012


Is this incorrect?
 
2014-06-14 06:22:50 PM  

BigLuca: Uzzah:
On the other hand, Baghdad is in a majority Shia area, and the able-bodied Shia men there will have no reluctance to defend the city vigorously. Ultimately, we're going to wind up with the sort of Sunni/Shia partitioning that we should've done in the first place

You seem knowledgeable, so let me ask you a question.  What are the odds Iran would get involved?  I mean, if the Sunni uprising actually did threaten Baghdad, wouldn't they step in?


Iran is already involved.
 
2014-06-14 06:23:33 PM  

BigLuca: What are the odds Iran would get involved?  I mean, if the Sunni uprising actually did threaten Baghdad, wouldn't they step in?


Word is they already have. Not in direct combat, but Revolutionary Guard has been deployed inside Iraq in border areas "in an advisory role".
 
2014-06-14 06:23:54 PM  

oh_please: I really, really wish Obama would step up to the podium and say:

"Know what? We tried. We farking tried. It's come to the point that the United States has two options now...one, we turn Iraq into a glass parking lot, but we're not doing that. Our only other option is to bring everyone home. That's what we're doing. I'm sorry for the people that sided with us, but we honestly can't afford to police your country anymore, especially when a lot of the population sides with power-hungry assholes who are smart enough to make race and religion their bread and butter. If that's what you want, that's what you get.

"I get it, WE get it. You don't want us here. We're leaving. Good luck, you'll need it."


oh_please

thanks for the lol.  i hope you did it for teh lulz.
 
2014-06-14 06:25:02 PM  
So.. it'll be another decoration / memorial day?
 
2014-06-14 06:25:15 PM  
Hogwash, frogwash and dogwash.

Iraq is not as big an oil producer as it used to be, and plenty of other players are in the game now, notably Russia.

The USSA is a net exporter of energy thanks to the fracking you libtards hate so dearly, and no thanks to our unbeloved Luddite President.

Chill out Chicken Little, the sky is not falling.
 
2014-06-14 06:25:33 PM  

Pattuq: Oil prices are part of a big game being played by rich assholes.  They reflect the emotions of investors and not the actual state of the world.

The US imports over double the amount of petroleum from Canada than it does from the next highest source - Saudi Arabia.  Iraq doesn't even factor into the numbers.  Only about 13% of America's oil actually comes from the Middle East.

People have this impression that all the oil comes from the ME, and that if some Saudi or Iraqi guy has a bad day he can fark over the entire country with a phone call.  That is exaggerated.   I would say people should be more worried about gas prices when a Canadian hockey team loses a game, or when moose stampedes damage the oil facilities.


You do realize that the reason for this is that oil is fungible, right?  If the price of oil in Saudi Arabia plummets, we would start buying it from there, so Canada would then lower its price to whatever Saudi Arabia was charging, plus the shipping differential  (Theoretically - Oil is not perfectly fungible, and diversification of source is advantageous - which is why we don't import 100% of our oil from Canada).
 
2014-06-14 06:27:29 PM  
parahaps:
Iran is already involved.

The Bestest:
Word is they already have. Not in direct combat, but Revolutionary Guard has been deployed inside Iraq in border areas "in an advisory role".

Ah, I see. Thank you.
 
2014-06-14 06:31:06 PM  
This is why everybody should have at least a few diversified energy stocks in their core portfolio.  None of my holdings have any exposure to oil fields in Iraq so any spike in oil prices will translate into nice gains (indeed it already has since early May) during the normally dull summer months.
 
2014-06-14 06:32:54 PM  

The Bestest: zepher: "Al Qaeda has been decimated"
- Barack Obama, Nov. 1 2012

Is this incorrect?


You can't be serious.
There have been Al Qaeda flags being raised in every city ISIS has taken over.
You think Al Qaeda is really not out there anymore?
 
2014-06-14 06:34:22 PM  
I'm just going to build me own Tesla since he opensourced the design
 
2014-06-14 06:35:07 PM  

thewoodman: Gas prices go too high, people quit using as much, demand and prices go down.  Demand stays up,  Saudis open up the taps little after a call from the US, and Strategic Oil Reserve lets go of a little, prices come down. Destroying the world economy with too high of fuel prices is not going to happen.


That's not how I understand it. Oil isn't a "supply/demand" commodity

2004 Cost per barrel - $31.00
2008 Cost per barrel - $137.00
Today's cost per barrel - 113.41
 
2014-06-14 06:35:28 PM  

Cyclometh: some_beer_drinker: sounds hawt. let's get some boots on the ground.

Joking aside, I'm deadly serious. Unless the US is willing to commit to the kind of scale of warfare that we saw in WWII- utter devastation on a massive scale and concomitant casualties, we're just not going to have the results people seem to think we will. Unless you're willing to accept that we'd have to do what was done in Dresden, Osaka, Kassel, Darmstadt, London, and Berlin- completely destroy cities and commit the resources to see that it's actually done, and follow it up with, as you so prosaically put it, "boots on the ground", we're not going to see success in any "regime change" we ever attempt militarily.


Bullshiat. Look at Britain's occupation of India and China. Any change will take decades of occupation. Even after 100 years of occupation India and Hong Kong didn't change all that much. War won't do it alone, you'll have to modify their way of thinking and that would take at least three generations. Two generations will have to die off and a third raised with our ideology. At the very least. Lol the pro tempore government would have to be half comprised of of behaviorologists and ad men.
 
2014-06-14 06:35:28 PM  

RanDomino: destrip: Iraq was under the power of a greedy dictator for years, gas prices were cheap and stable ($1.29-1.39 from the 80s - early 2000s)
We took over Iraq, gas prices went up to unprecedented highs (remember, most gas pumps were, by design, incapable of registering more than $1.99 a gallon?)
Iraq achieved "independence," gas prices stayed up.
Iraq has issues again, gas prices go up.
Something doesn't quite add up here.

As far as the yahoos taking over cities there, there are relatively few roads between cities. As the "militants" are a bunch of towelheads riding around in Toyota pickups, why can't we, or the Iraqi army for that matter, just bomb or blockade the main highways leading into Baghdad? If the militants can't get there they can't take anything over. Blast 'em into the stone age like we did to Saddam's army when they were fleeing Kuwait during Desert Storm.

Better yet, go high tech and use an EMP weapon to disable the pickups!

I didn't know Tom Clancy was a Farker.


I didn't know Tom Clancy was alive
 
2014-06-14 06:36:22 PM  

arcas: This is why everybody should have at least a few diversified energy stocks in their core portfolio.  None of my holdings have any exposure to oil fields in Iraq so any spike in oil prices will translate into nice gains (indeed it already has since early May) during the normally dull summer months.


I'm sure most Americans who drive to work on empty will get right on that.
 
2014-06-14 06:36:57 PM  

iheartscotch: Most of the current gas price is based on futures and speculation. But, I'd definitely refrain from fueling up within 48 hours of Baghdad's fall; if it happens.


You want to do it immediately after it happens.  Before the stations jack up the price.
 
2014-06-14 06:36:58 PM  

CruJones: I'm just going to build me own Tesla since he opensourced the design


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2014-06-14 06:36:58 PM  
Fear-mongering garbage from American media? Must be a day ending in Y.

//Only ignorant children who can't be bothered to use google buy this crap.
 
2014-06-14 06:37:49 PM  

hasty ambush: Well then Obama gets his wish, why are y'all biatchin?

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I don't have a problem with this.  If you don't pay for road costs through use taxes, then it is going to come from the general budget.  People with high incomes end up subsidizing the cost of heavy commuters.

When gasoline was over $5.50/gal a few year back, it was great.  The rush hour commute was similar to that of a bank holiday, parking lots at stores weren't at capacity and there were no teenagers loitering around the mall.  And when you look at total cost of ownership for your vehicle, gasoline was still a bargain.
 
2014-06-14 06:38:08 PM  

zepher: The Bestest: zepher: "Al Qaeda has been decimated"
- Barack Obama, Nov. 1 2012

Is this incorrect?

You can't be serious.
There have been Al Qaeda flags being raised in every city ISIS has taken over.
You think Al Qaeda is really not out there anymore?


A lot of people think of Al Qaeda as a monolithic entity, a centrally controlled organization with coordinated activity all over. That's incorrect. "Al Qaeda" means "The Base" or maybe "The Foundation". it's not an umbrella organization, and isn't a central controlling entity. It's a network of affiliated, independent and sometimes opposed groups. Some are more militant and violent than others.

Al Qaeda supports these groups, but is not itself these groups. ISIS is not Al Qaeda, nor is ISIL- although it's not clear to me that those two are separate, they seem to be.
 
2014-06-14 06:38:22 PM  

Laobaojun: Which is absolute profiteering bull crap, as only 3% of US oil is imported from Iraq.
Farking treasonous, self-serving actions by the US oil industry.


are we co-authoring a newsletter?

/great mind yadda yadda or it is fools seldom differ?

some well owner was trying to tell me today that the days of cheap gas are over forever.  Hell, I'm not looking for 29 cents a gallon, if they can't make a profit at 2 dollars a gallon, then fark them.  pump price is triple what it was in '92 (1.25), even with inflation, it shouldn't be more than 2.11 today.
 
2014-06-14 06:43:02 PM  

zepher: The Bestest: zepher: "Al Qaeda has been decimated"
- Barack Obama, Nov. 1 2012

Is this incorrect?

You can't be serious.
There have been Al Qaeda flags being raised in every city ISIS has taken over.
You think Al Qaeda is really not out there anymore?


Still around? Sure, but I don't think it's incorrect to say they've been decimated either (by the literal definition of the word). AQ and ISIS also.. don't really get along. They have similar goals and are both Sunni, but they clash on methodology.

If it's true that "AQ flags are popping up", then it's in ISIS' wake, not in cooperation.
 
2014-06-14 06:44:06 PM  
purplegaming.slashmeow.com
 
2014-06-14 06:44:19 PM  
I'm late to the party but anyway...

Saddam should have been left in power. Ever heard of the expression "the devil you know"? At least with him we knew he could control the religious whackjobs.
It's a shame we can't sit back and let the two muslim factions kill each other, because of farking oil prices.
 
2014-06-14 06:45:21 PM  

nyseattitude: thewoodman: Gas prices go too high, people quit using as much, demand and prices go down.  Demand stays up,  Saudis open up the taps little after a call from the US, and Strategic Oil Reserve lets go of a little, prices come down. Destroying the world economy with too high of fuel prices is not going to happen.

That's not how I understand it. Oil isn't a "supply/demand" commodity

2004 Cost per barrel - $31.00
2008 Cost per barrel - $137.00
Today's cost per barrel - 113.41


Ah, respected economic journal "HowStuffWorks.com."

Every commodity is a supply/demand commodity.  Oil is almost uniquely a commodity for which "supply" is tightly controlled (OPEC).  Speculation serves to reduce volatility, as counter-intuitive as that may sound.  Look at what happened when onion speculation was outlawed.  Onion prices became extremely volatile, and products made from onions went UP in price, as manufacturers included an un-hedgeable risk premium.  If oil speculation were outlawed, oil prices would begin to fluctuate wildly, consumers of oil would have to stockpile it, and gas prices would stabilize at a higher value (Cost + profit + risk premium).  Speculation allows oil consumers (refineries, etc.) to eliminate the risk premium over certain time horizons.
 
2014-06-14 06:45:42 PM  
Except that despite all the right-wingers trying to gin up ISIS to either a) embarrass Obama, B) whip up sentiment for yet another military incursion, or C) all of the above, Baghdad is not about to fall anytime soon.  The group is likely to get wiped out by a combination force of Kurds, shiate militia groups, and Iran.  And then the country will be partitioned into three regions as probably should have happened 5 years ago.
 
2014-06-14 06:47:32 PM  

caeroe: I'm late to the party but anyway...

Saddam should have been left in power. Ever heard of the expression "the devil you know"? At least with him we knew he could control the religious whackjobs.
It's a shame we can't sit back and let the two muslim factions kill each other, because of farking oil prices.


Oil prices, (or rather Saddam's threat to stop trading on the USD) is specifically why (the -real- reason, anyway) he was deposed.
 
2014-06-14 06:51:19 PM  

danno_to_infinity: Laobaojun: Which is absolute profiteering bull crap, as only 3% of US oil is imported from Iraq.
Farking treasonous, self-serving actions by the US oil industry.

are we co-authoring a newsletter?

/great mind yadda yadda or it is fools seldom differ?

some well owner was trying to tell me today that the days of cheap gas are over forever.  Hell, I'm not looking for 29 cents a gallon, if they can't make a profit at 2 dollars a gallon, then fark them.  pump price is triple what it was in '92 (1.25), even with inflation, it shouldn't be more than 2.11 today.


Your hypothetical newsletter sucks.  If Iraqi oil went to $3 per barrel, we would start buying it.  Starting from that logic and working your way outward, if Iraqi oil gets more expensive, Iraq's neighbors will start buying oil from other neighbors.  Those other neighbors will then raise their prices in order to sell their oil at the maximum price they can get.  This flows through the global economy.  Oil producers in the US are small potatoes, and cannot really influence prices here.  If they increased their prices 50%, we'd start importing oil from the nearest oil producing nation that doesn't sound like vuvuzela.
 
2014-06-14 06:52:10 PM  

Close2TheEdge: Except that despite all the right-wingers trying to gin up ISIS to either a) embarrass Obama, B) whip up sentiment for yet another military incursion, or C) all of the above, Baghdad is not about to fall anytime soon.  The group is likely to get wiped out by a combination force of Kurds, shiate militia groups, and Iran.  And then the country will be partitioned into three regions as probably should have happened 5 years ago.


You misspelled 75 years ago.
 
2014-06-14 06:55:06 PM  
If America bought more Canadian oil instead of conflict oil, then this wouldn't be a problem :P
 
2014-06-14 06:56:58 PM  
I thought it was refining capacity that kept prices high. Are tankers sitting around or is it crude supply, or is it something else used to buoy the market this time? How about a butterfly in china farking it up for the rest of us?
 
2014-06-14 06:57:54 PM  

hasty ambush: Well then Obama gets his wish, why are y'all biatchin?

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They both can DIA(gasoline)F.

/drives a diesel, gets 52 mpg, suck it.
 
2014-06-14 06:59:21 PM  

Cyclometh: Japan's kind of a special case because nukes changed the game; look what happened to Japanese culture in the wake of those.


Go on.
 
2014-06-14 06:59:51 PM  

Cyclometh: zepher: The Bestest: zepher: "Al Qaeda has been decimated"
- Barack Obama, Nov. 1 2012

Is this incorrect?

You can't be serious.
There have been Al Qaeda flags being raised in every city ISIS has taken over.
You think Al Qaeda is really not out there anymore?

A lot of people think of Al Qaeda as a monolithic entity, a centrally controlled organization with coordinated activity all over. That's incorrect. "Al Qaeda" means "The Base" or maybe "The Foundation". it's not an umbrella organization, and isn't a central controlling entity. It's a network of affiliated, independent and sometimes opposed groups. Some are more militant and violent than others.

Al Qaeda supports these groups, but is not itself these groups. ISIS is not Al Qaeda, nor is ISIL- although it's not clear to me that those two are separate, they seem to be.


Didn't Al Qaeda renounce them for being too violent? Or was that a different group? I can't keep my terrorist cliques straight these days.
 
2014-06-14 07:01:50 PM  
Meh, my Vespa gets 66mpg... and it's more fun than a Prius.
 
2014-06-14 07:01:52 PM  

gnosis301: Cyclometh: Japan's kind of a special case because nukes changed the game; look what happened to Japanese culture in the wake of those.

Go on.


Tentacle porn? Or did they have that before they got nuked?
 
2014-06-14 07:01:52 PM  

Nemosomen: nyseattitude: thewoodman: Gas prices go too high, people quit using as much, demand and prices go down.  Demand stays up,  Saudis open up the taps little after a call from the US, and Strategic Oil Reserve lets go of a little, prices come down. Destroying the world economy with too high of fuel prices is not going to happen.

That's not how I understand it. Oil isn't a "supply/demand" commodity

2004 Cost per barrel - $31.00
2008 Cost per barrel - $137.00
Today's cost per barrel - 113.41

Ah, respected economic journal "HowStuffWorks.com."

Every commodity is a supply/demand commodity.  Oil is almost uniquely a commodity for which "supply" is tightly controlled (OPEC).  Speculation serves to reduce volatility, as counter-intuitive as that may sound.  Look at what happened when onion speculation was outlawed.  Onion prices became extremely volatile, and products made from onions went UP in price, as manufacturers included an un-hedgeable risk premium.  If oil speculation were outlawed, oil prices would begin to fluctuate wildly, consumers of oil would have to stockpile it, and gas prices would stabilize at a higher value (Cost + profit + risk premium).  Speculation allows oil consumers (refineries, etc.) to eliminate the risk premium over certain time horizons.


the problem with futures is that it doesn't take into account discounts, and the market never ever sees those discounts.

didn't know about the onion thing, but i don't see two organizations controlling 98% of the oil market.  regardless, it's a good and bad analogy.
 
2014-06-14 07:02:52 PM  

fusillade762: gnosis301: Cyclometh: Japan's kind of a special case because nukes changed the game; look what happened to Japanese culture in the wake of those.

Go on.

Tentacle porn? Or did they have that before they got nuked?


"Dream of the Fisherman's Wife" is OLD.
 
2014-06-14 07:04:45 PM  

ravenlore: fusillade762: gnosis301: Cyclometh: Japan's kind of a special case because nukes changed the game; look what happened to Japanese culture in the wake of those.

Go on.

Tentacle porn? Or did they have that before they got nuked?

"Dream of the Fisherman's Wife" is OLD.


Created in 1814.

/why the fark do I know that?
 
2014-06-14 07:05:28 PM  

fusillade762: gnosis301: Cyclometh: Japan's kind of a special case because nukes changed the game; look what happened to Japanese culture in the wake of those.

Go on.

Tentacle porn? Or did they have that before they got nuked?


Non-European culture is decidedly non-European.
 
2014-06-14 07:08:51 PM  
Wow, we really farked that up.
 
2014-06-14 07:10:55 PM  

Cyclometh: zerkalo: And another civil war begins. It's gonna be armagheddon, millions slaughtered

Don't know about millions- maybe over the entire timeframe. But it was obvious what was going to happen at the outset.

The US keeps thinking they can do this thing where they go in with the military, kick some ass for a while, spend a bunch of money and then put in whatever government they want.

It simply doesn't work. Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan... the last time we managed to actually install a new government in a defeated enemy nation was pretty much Japan.

And nobody's willing to consider the price required to do it again. I've said it before and I'll stand by it- unless you're willing to see at least 15% of an entire generation dead, you're not going to win. If you want to completely destroy a government and replace it, you have to be willing to destroy their society and that means killing a lot of people. Whether it's bullets, bombs or nukes, you have to be willing to murder entire cities, not just individuals or small areas.

Until we remember that to defeat an enemy means to kill enough of them that the entire culture is broken, we'll keep coming back here. You can't engage in nation-building unless you're willing to engage in nation-destroying.

The reason we're so bad at it is that we can't stomach the cost unless it's imposed on us, as it was in World War II. When it's our own choice, we're not willing to do what's necessary to actually accomplish the goal. And that's why it's always been a bad idea, and will continue to be one because we spend blood and treasure for nothing.


Sadly, yes. Right on all points.
 
2014-06-14 07:11:18 PM  

gnosis301: Cyclometh: Japan's kind of a special case because nukes changed the game; look what happened to Japanese culture in the wake of those.

Go on.


To be fair, I'm oversimplifying things- this is Fark, after all. But it's quite clear that Japanese culture changed radically after its defeat and the occupation. There are arguments to be made that pre-war Japan wasn't all that different from post-war in many ways, and that the militaristic expansion and conquest phase it entered into that culminated in WWII was historically, maybe not an aberration, but not exactly typical.

But it's pretty clear that Japan's defeat required something pretty devastating, and that has had effects on its culture ever since.

Unless we're willing to conquer and occupy- and that means a lot of death or as someone else pointed out several generations of occupation (and probably more violence to suppress insurgency), none of which the US seems willing to do of late, believing (wrongly) that we can get to these places of changing a society without paying such a toll.
 
2014-06-14 07:12:16 PM  
.
How long do y'all think US citizens can enjoy gas prices that are (generally) 50% lower than the rest of the world?  How many of them even understand how they get away with that?
 
2014-06-14 07:13:52 PM  

Bob Dolemite: Nemosomen: nyseattitude: thewoodman: Gas prices go too high, people quit using as much, demand and prices go down.  Demand stays up,  Saudis open up the taps little after a call from the US, and Strategic Oil Reserve lets go of a little, prices come down. Destroying the world economy with too high of fuel prices is not going to happen.

That's not how I understand it. Oil isn't a "supply/demand" commodity

2004 Cost per barrel - $31.00
2008 Cost per barrel - $137.00
Today's cost per barrel - 113.41

Ah, respected economic journal "HowStuffWorks.com."

Every commodity is a supply/demand commodity.  Oil is almost uniquely a commodity for which "supply" is tightly controlled (OPEC).  Speculation serves to reduce volatility, as counter-intuitive as that may sound.  Look at what happened when onion speculation was outlawed.  Onion prices became extremely volatile, and products made from onions went UP in price, as manufacturers included an un-hedgeable risk premium.  If oil speculation were outlawed, oil prices would begin to fluctuate wildly, consumers of oil would have to stockpile it, and gas prices would stabilize at a higher value (Cost + profit + risk premium).  Speculation allows oil consumers (refineries, etc.) to eliminate the risk premium over certain time horizons.

the problem with futures is that it doesn't take into account discounts, and the market never ever sees those discounts.

didn't know about the onion thing, but i don't see two organizations controlling 98% of the oil market.  regardless, it's a good and bad analogy.


"Discounts?"  Are you referring to discounts like those that Russia used to give Ukraine?  Futures buyers do not have access to those "discounts," which are really just disguised foreign aid.  Any other "discount" between two private entities would just be equivalent to a future that was traded off-exchange.

Please correct me if I'm misinterpreting what you mean by discount, as I legitimately would like to know.
 
2014-06-14 07:16:30 PM  

Reverend Monkeypants: How long do y'all think US citizens can enjoy gas prices that are (generally) 50% lower than the rest of the world?


Pretty damn long, honestly, so long as we don't fark things up.

Reverend Monkeypants: How many of them even understand how they get away with that?


Very very few. If more did, we wouldn't have so many cries of "close our overseas bases!" from one side or "go ahead and let us default!" from the other.
 
2014-06-14 07:16:31 PM  

The Bestest: zepher: The Bestest: zepher: "Al Qaeda has been decimated"
- Barack Obama, Nov. 1 2012

Is this incorrect?

You can't be serious.
There have been Al Qaeda flags being raised in every city ISIS has taken over.
You think Al Qaeda is really not out there anymore?

Still around? Sure, but I don't think it's incorrect to say they've been decimated either (by the literal definition of the word). AQ and ISIS also.. don't really get along. They have similar goals and are both Sunni, but they clash on methodology.

If it's true that "AQ flags are popping up", then it's in ISIS' wake, not in cooperation.


My understanding is that the command structure behind these guys comes from the Baathist officers whom Paul Bremer booted out of the old Iraqi Guard.
 
2014-06-14 07:19:07 PM  

Fart_Machine: My understanding is that the command structure behind these guys comes from the Baathist officers whom Paul Bremer booted out of the old Iraqi Guard.


Wouldn't surprise me.
 
2014-06-14 07:23:26 PM  

Nemosomen: "Discounts?" Are you referring to discounts like those that Russia used to give Ukraine? Futures buyers do not have access to those "discounts," which are really just disguised foreign aid. Any other "discount" between two private entities would just be equivalent to a future that was traded off-exchange.

Please correct me if I'm misinterpreting what you mean by discount, as I legitimately would like to know.


I sell you something for $5 that I think is actually going to come in at $4.  turns out, it only actually cost me $3.  I'm not giving you that $1 back.  i say fark you, i got $2 off you.

no one is ever going to short it.  i will sandbag so i make sure i get mine, and anything extra is gravy.
 
2014-06-14 07:27:27 PM  

Reverend Monkeypants: .
How long do y'all think US citizens can enjoy gas prices that are (generally) 50% lower than the rest of the world?  How many of them even understand how they get away with that?


For as long as taxes on gasoline in the US remain low.  I'm not sure how many understand it, but the reason is low taxes.  (An addition factor is the existence of versitile domestic refineries, which can refine the entire gamut from light sweet to sour heavy)
 
2014-06-14 07:28:36 PM  
"We're not going to allow ourselves to be dragged back into a situation in which, while we're there we're keeping a lid on things, and after enormous sacrifices by us, after we're not there, people start acting in ways that are not conducive to the long-term stability and prosperity of the country," Obama said from the South Lawn of the White House. "


This..

Fark em.  I'll pay a little extra for gas.
 
2014-06-14 07:34:26 PM  

Reverend Monkeypants: .
How long do y'all think US citizens can enjoy gas prices that are (generally) 50% lower than the rest of the world?  How many of them even understand how they get away with that?


You mean by how we only tax it at 34% when the rest of the world taxes it at 250% ? before taxes the us is about the same as Europe
 
2014-06-14 07:35:41 PM  
Those dorks buying electric, rechargeable, and/or fuel-efficient cars over the past few years sure were dumb, weren't they.

If you've bought a super-sized SUV or similar low-efficiency megavehicle in the past decade with the Middle East and global oil situation what it's been?  No sympathy.  You kinda asked to get screwed.
 
2014-06-14 07:38:30 PM  

Cyclometh: People_are_Idiots: You buy gas in another form, so electricity, food, toiletries, etc... Goes up.

The economy absorbs indirect costs more effectively over the other commodities I purchase. Yes, other costs go up, but when gas goes from $3.75 a gallon to $6.50 a gallon (just to give some numbers), my transportation costs don't go up by that much, nor do my other costs spike as high.

Besides which, if I drove a gas-using vehicle, I'd  still be paying extra for the gas as well as additional costs as other goods go up in price. So I'm still ahead of the game.


Maybe this will finally be the big chance for the prices in the rest of the economy to catch the price of education? ;-)

My Prius C will still suit me just fine.  If gas prices double I will go from spending $30 a month to $60.  A few beers to not be had.
 
2014-06-14 07:46:22 PM  

Cyclometh: CruJones: Baghdad is not going to fall.  There's not that many of these guys, and can probably be handled exclusively by air.  Also, their troops probably won't all run away this time.  Maybe.

[cdn.frontpagemag.com image 400x300]


Was SO waiting for our old friend meme to appear:)
 
2014-06-14 07:48:19 PM  
Is this Bagdadazi yet?
 
2014-06-14 07:50:34 PM  

Abox: My commute is 4 minutes...I'll live.


Same here.  The road to work is going to be repaved as well.  Construction and high gas prices...time to air up the tires on the bike.
 
2014-06-14 07:53:07 PM  
I suppose it's a good thing we have hybrids and EV's then. fark Iraq, let it burn.
 
2014-06-14 07:55:53 PM  
If you add the cost of our recent wars-for-oil to the cost of gas, we've been paying $10 per gallon for the last decade anyways.
 
2014-06-14 07:57:53 PM  

Bob Dolemite: Nemosomen: "Discounts?" Are you referring to discounts like those that Russia used to give Ukraine? Futures buyers do not have access to those "discounts," which are really just disguised foreign aid. Any other "discount" between two private entities would just be equivalent to a future that was traded off-exchange.

Please correct me if I'm misinterpreting what you mean by discount, as I legitimately would like to know.

I sell you something for $5 that I think is actually going to come in at $4.  turns out, it only actually cost me $3.  I'm not giving you that $1 back.  i say fark you, i got $2 off you.

no one is ever going to short it.  i will sandbag so i make sure i get mine, and anything extra is gravy.


Wait... what?  That sounds like a supplier agreeing to sell something for $5 in the future, when they think that it will be worth $4 at that time.  It turns out that it was only worth $3 (A massive price swing), and they refuse to give back that profit that they never said they would to begin with?  That's just an off-exchange future.  A more realistic scenario would be that the seller sells at whatever it's worth now, for delivery in one month, then buys a future at that price, then he can profit from the price change in the interim.

All of that is price into futures, in fact, that is exactly how futures work.
 
2014-06-14 08:00:06 PM  

Cyclometh: zerkalo: And another civil war begins. It's gonna be armagheddon, millions slaughtered

Don't know about millions- maybe over the entire timeframe. But it was obvious what was going to happen at the outset.

The US keeps thinking they can do this thing where they go in with the military, kick some ass for a while, spend a bunch of money and then put in whatever government they want.

It simply doesn't work. Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan... the last time we managed to actually install a new government in a defeated enemy nation was pretty much Japan.

And nobody's willing to consider the price required to do it again. I've said it before and I'll stand by it- unless you're willing to see at least 15% of an entire generation dead, you're not going to win. If you want to completely destroy a government and replace it, you have to be willing to destroy their society and that means killing a lot of people. Whether it's bullets, bombs or nukes, you have to be willing to murder entire cities, not just individuals or small areas.

Until we remember that to defeat an enemy means to kill enough of them that the entire culture is broken, we'll keep coming back here. You can't engage in nation-building unless you're willing to engage in nation-destroying.

The reason we're so bad at it is that we can't stomach the cost unless it's imposed on us, as it was in World War II. When it's our own choice, we're not willing to do what's necessary to actually accomplish the goal. And that's why it's always been a bad idea, and will continue to be one because we spend blood and treasure for nothing.


Well said.
 
2014-06-14 08:05:51 PM  

DrPainMD: If you add the cost of our recent wars-for-oil to the cost of gas, we've been paying $10 per gallon for the last decade anyways.


Sorta.
We may not pay it at the pump (due to low gas tax), but that cost IS there. Our military (both from excursions and general security) is a large part of the reason why oil is traded in USD.
 
2014-06-14 08:17:32 PM  

Nemosomen: All of that is price into futures, in fact, that is exactly how futures work.


right, which is a horrible way to do business.  it clearly doesn't solve issues with volatility, as any time some fear mongering OPEC notice or whatever farks with the price of the futures... IMMEDIATELY.  In fact, main street sees the increase immediately in the form of $0.30/gallon.  this is clearly not what the price actually is for the gas that is in the pumps.  it's simply scandalous.

since this happens so frequently, it's really absurd to suggest that they price that risk into the futures cost especially considering how minute the swings are.  5% swing on the price of crude shouldn't equate to a 10+% swing on the street... same day.  half the time the price spikes for a few days then goes down causing little to no effect.  especially if you spread that increase over your net 30 example.  it's a racket.
 
2014-06-14 08:21:46 PM  

brantgoose: On the plus side, the USA, Canada, the UK, and Mexico can ease any drops in Saudi production. OPEC  is weaker than it used to be for this reason. Iran might be willing to produce and export more, possibly Venezuela and Nigeria might cheat a bit, Russia will do as it pleases for fun and profit.

Not shown: China. It can run its production on coal and increasingly solar, wind, gas, and nuclear power so it can throw in its massive weight to prevent its best customers from slipping into recession at tremendous risk and cost to itself. Chin is expected to become the largest global economy in the world this year or next at the latest.

Don't panic. Keep calm and look into alternative transportation.


http://knoema.com/nwnfkne/world-gdp-ranking-2014-data-and-charts

Would you prefer the World Bank numbers, which are from 2012:

http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.MKTP.CD?order=wbapi_data_ va lue_2012+wbapi_data_value+wbapi_data_value-last&sort=desc

Which is more likely, China's Economy growing 75% in the next year or you being amazingly uninformed?  At China's peak growth rate, they're 20 years from being close to the US economically.

\Seriously, you're an idiot.
 
2014-06-14 08:24:54 PM  

Cyclometh: gnosis301: Cyclometh: Japan's kind of a special case because nukes changed the game; look what happened to Japanese culture in the wake of those.

Go on.

To be fair, I'm oversimplifying things- this is Fark, after all. But it's quite clear that Japanese culture changed radically after its defeat and the occupation. There are arguments to be made that pre-war Japan wasn't all that different from post-war in many ways, and that the militaristic expansion and conquest phase it entered into that culminated in WWII was historically, maybe not an aberration, but not exactly typical.

But it's pretty clear that Japan's defeat required something pretty devastating, and that has had effects on its culture ever since.

Unless we're willing to conquer and occupy- and that means a lot of death or as someone else pointed out several generations of occupation (and probably more violence to suppress insurgency), none of which the US seems willing to do of late, believing (wrongly) that we can get to these places of changing a society without paying such a toll.


The one point I will raise to your otherwise excellent argument is that Japan was relatively isolated - China and Korea weren't allies. Germany had it's own issues, and was a totally separate culture (yes, I am not mentioning Italy). Here, despite the factions,(see below for further discussion), of Sunni, Shia and Kurd, they are above all Muslim - and that would mean, if the country of Iran were nuked, ever Muslim would be outraged - from Iraq to Saudi Arabia. Well, at leastpublicly, to appease their populace.

The Iranian issue post Saddam Hussein is more akin to the landscape post Tito/Yugoslavia. A factional, religious nightmare held together by iron gripped dictatorship. Remove that, and it explodes back into factional discord, each of which will fight for control. The US and allies (sadly, Australia was one) stepped into that quagmire, then into a worse one with tribal factions in Afghanistan.

/ one should not fight a land war in Central Asia
// or choose the wine glass with Ipocane
 
2014-06-14 08:28:46 PM  

zerkalo: Isis already holds Tikrit. Whether or not they can keep it is up in the air. Gas be going up either way




Tikrit is where Donald Rumsfeld said Saddam kept his WMDs.

If ISIS finds them, the stuff might really hit the fan.
 
2014-06-14 08:31:45 PM  

jaytkay: Cyclometh: the stated goal was to do so. The stated goal was liberating the Iraqis from dictatorship.


The states goal was destroying Saddam's WMD. His chemical and biological weapons that he could attack the US with in only 30 mins.
 
2014-06-14 08:39:02 PM  

caeroe: I'm late to the party but anyway...

Saddam should have been left in power. Ever heard of the expression "the devil you know"? At least with him we knew he could control the religious whackjobs.
It's a shame we can't sit back and let the two muslim factions kill each other, because of farking oil prices.


Then why aren't we supporting Assad?
 
2014-06-14 08:39:36 PM  
Screw it. Leave these idiots to their own devises. Best-case? Iran gets involved in a civil war and learns the costs of intervention. Maybe it'll destabilize the Ayatollahs' hold on power.
 
2014-06-14 08:43:28 PM  
I'm not sure how I'll restrain my rage if Obama involves us in Iraq again.
 
2014-06-14 08:47:14 PM  
I better start practicing my "Nelson Muntz Laugh" for when the Metro Bus I'm riding on passes by those gas stations filled with scowling soccer Moms filling up their H2s.
 
2014-06-14 08:51:47 PM  

Nemosomen: "If Baghdad falls" is a mighty big "if."  ISIS holds Tikrit?  Does that city support the current regime, or were they more supportive of Saddam Hussein al Tikriti's regime?


Bingo.

Sunny cities fell easily to ISIS.

shiate cities aren't gonna capitulate so easily.
 
2014-06-14 08:52:23 PM  
Sunni dang nabbit.
 
2014-06-14 08:54:39 PM  
Auto correct whips me again!

Shiate = shiate
 
2014-06-14 08:55:15 PM  
I give up.

LOL
 
2014-06-14 08:57:54 PM  
On one of the financial shows today it was stated that the Saudis could increase production by not too much and it would completely cover any Iraq oil not making it on to the market.
 
2014-06-14 08:59:33 PM  

Bob Dolemite: Nemosomen: All of that is price into futures, in fact, that is exactly how futures work.

right, which is a horrible way to do business.  it clearly doesn't solve issues with volatility, as any time some fear mongering OPEC notice or whatever farks with the price of the futures... IMMEDIATELY.  In fact, main street sees the increase immediately in the form of $0.30/gallon.  this is clearly not what the price actually is for the gas that is in the pumps.  it's simply scandalous.

since this happens so frequently, it's really absurd to suggest that they price that risk into the futures cost especially considering how minute the swings are.  5% swing on the price of crude shouldn't equate to a 10+% swing on the street... same day.  half the time the price spikes for a few days then goes down causing little to no effect.  especially if you spread that increase over your net 30 example.  it's a racket.


You're just making up numbers.  And if that's a horrible way to do business, why isn't everyone losing money?
 
2014-06-14 09:01:27 PM  

destrip: Iraq was under the power of a greedy dictator for years, gas prices were cheap and stable ($1.29-1.39 from the 80s - early 2000s)
We took over Iraq, gas prices went up to unprecedented highs (remember, most gas pumps were, by design, incapable of registering more than $1.99 a gallon?)
Iraq achieved "independence," gas prices stayed up.
Iraq has issues again, gas prices go up.
Something doesn't quite add up here.

As far as the yahoos taking over cities there, there are relatively few roads between cities. As the "militants" are a bunch of towelheads riding around in Toyota pickups, why can't we, or the Iraqi army for that matter, just bomb or blockade the main highways leading into Baghdad? If the militants can't get there they can't take anything over. Blast 'em into the stone age like we did to Saddam's army when they were fleeing Kuwait during Desert Storm.

Better yet, go high tech and use an EMP weapon to disable the pickups!


I don't think gas prices really skyrocketed until Katrina.
 
2014-06-14 09:03:04 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2014-06-14 09:06:50 PM  

timelady: Cyclometh: gnosis301: Cyclometh: Japan's kind of a special case because nukes changed the game; look what happened to Japanese culture in the wake of those.

Go on.

To be fair, I'm oversimplifying things- this is Fark, after all. But it's quite clear that Japanese culture changed radically after its defeat and the occupation. There are arguments to be made that pre-war Japan wasn't all that different from post-war in many ways, and that the militaristic expansion and conquest phase it entered into that culminated in WWII was historically, maybe not an aberration, but not exactly typical.

But it's pretty clear that Japan's defeat required something pretty devastating, and that has had effects on its culture ever since.

Unless we're willing to conquer and occupy- and that means a lot of death or as someone else pointed out several generations of occupation (and probably more violence to suppress insurgency), none of which the US seems willing to do of late, believing (wrongly) that we can get to these places of changing a society without paying such a toll.

The one point I will raise to your otherwise excellent argument is that Japan was relatively isolated - China and Korea weren't allies. Germany had it's own issues, and was a totally separate culture (yes, I am not mentioning Italy). Here, despite the factions,(see below for further discussion), of Sunni, Shia and Kurd, they are above all Muslim - and that would mean, if the country of Iran were nuked, ever Muslim would be outraged - from Iraq to Saudi Arabia. Well, at leastpublicly, to appease their populace.

The Iranian issue post Saddam Hussein is more akin to the landscape post Tito/Yugoslavia. A factional, religious nightmare held together by iron gripped dictatorship. Remove that, and it explodes back into factional discord, each of which will fight for control. The US and allies (sadly, Australia was one) stepped into that quagmire, then into a worse one with tribal factions in Afghanistan.

/ one shoul ...


I assume you meant Iraq, not Iran. Anyway, there was this concept invented by Claude Levi-Strauss called structural-functionalism. It's essentially that you don't find people engaging in many cultural practices that don't mostly work for most of them most of the time. So when you see a fairly persistent totalitarian regime, you might consider that maybe it's that way because the other options are worse, and take a bit of care when acting to topple it. Of course, the opportunistic politicians, media hacks, and various flavors of ideologues and demagogues beating the drums for wars are either unaware of the structural-functionalist perspective, or choose to ignore it.
 
2014-06-14 09:08:04 PM  
Some day you farking people will stop falling for the scare tactics of the hedge fund investors. You'll either do that, or you'll just watch the economic system collapse like the goat sacrificing Romans who didn't see the germanic tribes coming.
 
2014-06-14 09:08:43 PM  
I am convinced ISIS is being funded by Radio Shack.  Now stick with me here.... During the Super Bowl RS was airing those ads trying to see Radio Shack differently from the RS of the 80's and that didn't work... So what if Radio Shack is planning on going back to its 80's business model and instead of offering parts to build computers, it offered electric vehicle starter kits, starting at $109.99 and then you could add options as you saw fit.. they could change their name to Tesla Shack and watch the $$$ just come rolling in...  It's pure genius I tell you
 
2014-06-14 09:08:48 PM  

Prophet of Loss: The US is a net exporter of oil.


Why the fark is gas so expensive?
 
2014-06-14 09:12:59 PM  
Those people are seriously retarded and I don't mean disabled, they are farking jelly bean retarded and Sadaam was the same but he was the meanest retard. They absolutely deserved him and we farked up not knowing that.
 
2014-06-14 09:15:15 PM  
Gas prices work as follows:

People have gas to sell. They want to make as much money as possible. They will use world events as a reason to raise prices, but never to lower them. They don't care what you think.
 
2014-06-14 09:16:25 PM  

Cyclometh: zerkalo: And another civil war begins. It's gonna be armagheddon, millions slaughtered

Don't know about millions- maybe over the entire timeframe. But it was obvious what was going to happen at the outset.

The US keeps thinking they can do this thing where they go in with the military, kick some ass for a while, spend a bunch of money and then put in whatever government they want.

It simply doesn't work. Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan... the last time we managed to actually install a new government in a defeated enemy nation was pretty much Japan.

And nobody's willing to consider the price required to do it again. I've said it before and I'll stand by it- unless you're willing to see at least 15% of an entire generation dead, you're not going to win. If you want to completely destroy a government and replace it, you have to be willing to destroy their society and that means killing a lot of people. Whether it's bullets, bombs or nukes, you have to be willing to murder entire cities, not just individuals or small areas.

Until we remember that to defeat an enemy means to kill enough of them that the entire culture is broken, we'll keep coming back here. You can't engage in nation-building unless you're willing to engage in nation-destroying.

The reason we're so bad at it is that we can't stomach the cost unless it's imposed on us, as it was in World War II. When it's our own choice, we're not willing to do what's necessary to actually accomplish the goal. And that's why it's always been a bad idea, and will continue to be one because we spend blood and treasure for nothing.


A very rational and sane description of why every war we've  gotten into since 2 has been a debacle. Killing people to stop those people from killing people doesn't work if you are not one of those peoples.
 
2014-06-14 09:16:29 PM  
You shiatheads know that when they name something in public it's to get you scared of it, right? ISIS is a name, you should be afraid, you should pay attention to the viet cong, I mean ISIS.
 
2014-06-14 09:16:35 PM  

danno_to_infinity: Laobaojun: Which is absolute profiteering bull crap, as only 3% of US oil is imported from Iraq.
Farking treasonous, self-serving actions by the US oil industry.

are we co-authoring a newsletter?

/great mind yadda yadda or it is fools seldom differ?

some well owner was trying to tell me today that the days of cheap gas are over forever.  Hell, I'm not looking for 29 cents a gallon, if they can't make a profit at 2 dollars a gallon, then fark them.  pump price is triple what it was in '92 (1.25), even with inflation, it shouldn't be more than 2.11 today.


Not to call you out but can you explain why? I took econ and I'm trying to figure out how this statement
is true.
 
2014-06-14 09:19:28 PM  

alice_600: Not to call you out but can you explain why? I took econ and I'm trying to figure out how this statement
is true.


Global fungible markets aren't clear to these people.
 
2014-06-14 09:22:12 PM  

forgotmydamnusername: timelady: Cyclometh: gnosis301: Cyclometh: Japan's kind of a special case because nukes changed the game; look what happened to Japanese culture in the wake of those.

Go on.

To be fair, I'm oversimplifying things- this is Fark, after all. But it's quite clear that Japanese culture changed radically after its defeat and the occupation. There are arguments to be made that pre-war Japan wasn't all that different from post-war in many ways, and that the militaristic expansion and conquest phase it entered into that culminated in WWII was historically, maybe not an aberration, but not exactly typical.

But it's pretty clear that Japan's defeat required something pretty devastating, and that has had effects on its culture ever since.

Unless we're willing to conquer and occupy- and that means a lot of death or as someone else pointed out several generations of occupation (and probably more violence to suppress insurgency), none of which the US seems willing to do of late, believing (wrongly) that we can get to these places of changing a society without paying such a toll.

The one point I will raise to your otherwise excellent argument is that Japan was relatively isolated - China and Korea weren't allies. Germany had it's own issues, and was a totally separate culture (yes, I am not mentioning Italy). Here, despite the factions,(see below for further discussion), of Sunni, Shia and Kurd, they are above all Muslim - and that would mean, if the country of Iran were nuked, ever Muslim would be outraged - from Iraq to Saudi Arabia. Well, at leastpublicly, to appease their populace.

The Iranian issue post Saddam Hussein is more akin to the landscape post Tito/Yugoslavia. A factional, religious nightmare held together by iron gripped dictatorship. Remove that, and it explodes back into factional discord, each of which will fight for control. The US and allies (sadly, Australia was one) stepped into that quagmire, then into a worse one with tribal factions in Afghanistan.

/ ...


You are completely correct.
s/Iran/Iraq
s/Iraq/Iran

I also typed poorly. My apologies. Trying to pump out a damned Academic paper is doing my head in, and I am getting lazy in snatched asides of posting;)
 
2014-06-14 09:25:31 PM  
So if the shiate forces in Baghdad  stomp the ISIS offensive into the dirt, prices will drop right on down, right?
 
2014-06-14 09:35:00 PM  
And now Obama is moving aircraft carriers into the region. Is he acting because of oil? If he doesn't act, the Iranians will... Is he being played for a fool by the Iranians to do their dirty work or does he just want to protect oil interests...? Either way he doesn't look very good.
 
2014-06-14 09:44:29 PM  
I knew those pieces of shiat would do this.  I'd take my broken ass back there now if only to shoot every Iraqi farker I see.
 
2014-06-14 09:46:09 PM  

AeAe: Prophet of Loss: The US is a net exporter of oil.

Why the fark is gas so expensive?


Because we're all rubes ... and sadly proud of it.
 
2014-06-14 09:46:55 PM  
I can't even believe all the breath I've wasted telling people "No, nuking Iraq is not the answer, many of them are good people"  Evidently they are ALL cowards that require extermination.
 
2014-06-14 09:46:59 PM  
Thanks Obama.
 
2014-06-14 09:47:34 PM  
So much for the naivete of youth.
 
2014-06-14 09:47:41 PM  

fusillade762: But I've been assured by many Fark Independents our involvement in Iraq had nothing to do with oil. So this can't possibly be true.


Anybody anywhere anytime who says a war doesn't have economic underpinnings is either lying or an idiot.

Or, in the case of neocons, both.
 
2014-06-14 09:47:43 PM  

svanmeter: And now Obama is moving aircraft carriers into the region. Is he acting because of oil? If he doesn't act, the Iranians will... Is he being played for a fool by the Iranians to do their dirty work or does he just want to protect oil interests...? Either way he doesn't look very good.


I'm no political scientist, but I'm afraid he's throwing good money after bad because he can't bear the idea that we fought over 10 years of war for absosmurfly nothing.

/we did
 
2014-06-14 09:50:07 PM  

svanmeter: And now Obama is moving aircraft carriers into the region. Is he acting because of oil? If he doesn't act, the Iranians will... Is he being played for a fool by the Iranians to do their dirty work or does he just want to protect oil interests...? Either way he doesn't look very good.


Gotta love wingnuts.  They ignore our advice, call us traitors for saying invading was a bad idea, spend billions of dollars and thousands of lives propping up a corpse, and now they blame Obama when the corpse, predictably, falls over.

Party of personal responsibility indeed.
 
2014-06-14 09:54:05 PM  

Phil McKraken: I'm not sure how I'll restrain my rage if Obama involves us in Iraq again.


I hear we're deploying carriers to the Gulf of Tonkin relevant area :)
 
2014-06-14 09:54:22 PM  
Ford C-Max plugin-hybrid user here.  I get about 35km on my charge, enough for me.  Cut my gas costs into 1/6th of what they were before.  Plus I get to play the fun game of brake-as-gently-as-i-can for battery recharge regenerative braking!

Still as dangerous as gasoline cars though, I know.  I've got a pack full of lithium ion batteries in the trunk, occasionally a fan comes on to cool them.  I know what happens to l-ion batteries when you puncture them.
 
2014-06-14 09:59:47 PM  

PunGent: svanmeter: And now Obama is moving aircraft carriers into the region. Is he acting because of oil? If he doesn't act, the Iranians will... Is he being played for a fool by the Iranians to do their dirty work or does he just want to protect oil interests...? Either way he doesn't look very good.

Gotta love wingnuts.  They ignore our advice, call us traitors for saying invading was a bad idea, spend billions of dollars and thousands of lives propping up a corpse, and now they blame Obama when the corpse, predictably, falls over.

Party of personal responsibility indeed.


So, what does your juicer run on?
 
2014-06-14 10:04:05 PM  

FiggyPudding: "A fighter using a loudspeaker urged the people to join the militant group "to liberate Baghdad and Jerusalem," according to CBS News. "

/shiatstorm in process


I'm not a huge fan of Israel, but they're 4 - 0 in conventional wars last I checked.  I'd LOVE to see these yahoos tangle with the IDF.

/Merkava vs. technical, anyone?
 
2014-06-14 10:05:18 PM  

thisisarepeat: PunGent: svanmeter: And now Obama is moving aircraft carriers into the region. Is he acting because of oil? If he doesn't act, the Iranians will... Is he being played for a fool by the Iranians to do their dirty work or does he just want to protect oil interests...? Either way he doesn't look very good.

Gotta love wingnuts.  They ignore our advice, call us traitors for saying invading was a bad idea, spend billions of dollars and thousands of lives propping up a corpse, and now they blame Obama when the corpse, predictably, falls over.

Party of personal responsibility indeed.

So, what does your juicer run on?


I'm old-fashioned.  The juicer in my kitchen runs on muscle power.  The juicer in most people's kitchens in the US run on coal, at the end of the day.
 
2014-06-14 10:06:16 PM  

AeAe: Prophet of Loss: The US is a net exporter of oil.

Why the fark is gas so expensive?


The dollar isn't worth much when your printing money like drunk sailors.
 
2014-06-14 10:10:19 PM  

Cyclometh: zerkalo: And another civil war begins. It's gonna be armagheddon, millions slaughtered

Don't know about millions- maybe over the entire timeframe. But it was obvious what was going to happen at the outset.

The US keeps thinking they can do this thing where they go in with the military, kick some ass for a while, spend a bunch of money and then put in whatever government they want.

It simply doesn't work. Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan... the last time we managed to actually install a new government in a defeated enemy nation was pretty much Japan.

And nobody's willing to consider the price required to do it again. I've said it before and I'll stand by it- unless you're willing to see at least 15% of an entire generation dead, you're not going to win. If you want to completely destroy a government and replace it, you have to be willing to destroy their society and that means killing a lot of people. Whether it's bullets, bombs or nukes, you have to be willing to murder entire cities, not just individuals or small areas.

Until we remember that to defeat an enemy means to kill enough of them that the entire culture is broken, we'll keep coming back here. You can't engage in nation-building unless you're willing to engage in nation-destroying.

The reason we're so bad at it is that we can't stomach the cost unless it's imposed on us, as it was in World War II. When it's our own choice, we're not willing to do what's necessary to actually accomplish the goal. And that's why it's always been a bad idea, and will continue to be one because we spend blood and treasure for nothing.


Mostly agree, except for Korea.  South Korea was a success, in my book...I'd MUCH rather live there, than in North Korea.  The only pity was China blocked our advance north...the southern locals being mostly on our side helped, of course.
 
2014-06-14 10:22:08 PM  

Nemosomen: You're just making up numbers. And if that's a horrible way to do business, why isn't everyone losing money?


people aren't losing money.  they're making too much by overcharging on something that may or may not happen.

i don't need to cite actual numbers, because we're speaking in generalities. it doesn't matter if the increase is 1, 3, or 5%.  they aren't huge swings at all.  crude doesn't go up $40 in a day.  on the other side, $4/gal gas goes up $0.30 that percentage increase is double what the cost of the crude went up.

in 2008 i did an analysis of the average price of a gallon of gas against the price of crude since the late 70's.  that data spells out some interesting figures and shows when the speculation and futures market went into full swing.  the data doesn't lie, and it's simple math.
 
2014-06-14 10:30:10 PM  

moeburn: I know what happens to l-ion batteries when you puncture them.


img2.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2014-06-14 10:36:00 PM  
At least those characters from the Ayn Rand movies will still be able to afford $80/gal gas. I've got Rand Paul's Uber ride on speed dial.
 
2014-06-14 10:39:15 PM  
ecx.images-amazon.com
//still relevant
 
2014-06-14 10:42:10 PM  

leevis: I don't think gas prices really skyrocketed until Katrina.


average price per year  crude then per gallon

2013  89.84  3.49
2012  84.46  3.60
2011  87.04  3.53
2010  71.21  2.78
2009  53.56  2.35
2008  91.48  3.86
2007  64.20  2.81
2006  58.30  2.58
2005  50.04  2.27
2004  37.41  1.85
2003  27.69  1.56
2002  22.81  1.34
2001  23.00  1.43
2000  27.40  1.49
1999  16.55  1.14
1998  11.91  1.03
 
2014-06-14 10:53:20 PM  

Deep Contact: AeAe: Prophet of Loss: The US is a net exporter of oil.

Why the fark is gas so expensive?

The dollar isn't worth much when your printing money like drunk sailors.


Derp.
 
2014-06-14 10:54:29 PM  
Doesn't matter what happened, people will find the way to raise prices. In Ohio there was an article where they talked to an "expert" when our gas prices were $3.99 a gallon yet the average in the US was around $3.60 or less......the guy said "people in the Midwest are driving less so there is less demand".....so...so much for supply and demand driving their prices.

Isn't like over 80% of our oil domestic at this point? I know oil is a world commodity but honestly how much of it really comes from Iraq? It couldn't even pay for a war.
 
2014-06-14 10:56:52 PM  
But...but....but.....shale oil makes us a net oil exporter!!!!  We're the new Saudi Arabia!!!!
 
2014-06-14 10:58:20 PM  

Matthew Keene: moeburn: I know what happens to l-ion batteries when you puncture them.


CSB: Last week I was building a battery pack and my co-worker accidentally shorted a lithium 18650 battery. This caused so much current to flow that it shorted internally and discharged itself in about one minute. It got hot as fark, but didn't burn. Those things are a LOT safer than they were a couple of years ago.

/CSB
 
2014-06-14 10:59:03 PM  
The oil cartels are rubbing their hands together in anticipation of another bullshiat excuse to fleece us. Then they'll leverage that to convince a few morons that Keystone XL would fix everything.

Watch.

Just. Farking. Watch.
 
2014-06-14 11:01:27 PM  

BolshyGreatYarblocks: But...but....but.....shale oil makes us a net oil exporter!!!!  We're the new Saudi Arabia!!!!


Nationalization of oil would end this. But socialism or something.
 
2014-06-14 11:03:30 PM  

Phil Moskowitz: You shiatheads know that when they name something in public it's to get you scared of it, right? ISIS is a name, you should be afraid, you should pay attention to the viet cong, I mean ISIS.


I don't get why they gave a Muslim group the Greek name for an Egyptian goddess who was worshiped more than 2,500 years prior to the foundation of Islam.
 
2014-06-14 11:10:52 PM  

PunGent: svanmeter: And now Obama is moving aircraft carriers into the region. Is he acting because of oil? If he doesn't act, the Iranians will... Is he being played for a fool by the Iranians to do their dirty work or does he just want to protect oil interests...? Either way he doesn't look very good.

Gotta love wingnuts.  They ignore our advice, call us traitors for saying invading was a bad idea, spend billions of dollars and thousands of lives propping up a corpse, and now they blame Obama when the corpse, predictably, falls over.

Party of personal responsibility indeed.


I agree Pungent. Obama is a wingnut for getting involved in a lost cause. He's being played for a fool by the Iranians to go after their Sunni enemies. Either that or he wants to protect oil interests.

President of hope and change? He's worse than Bush at this point.
 
2014-06-14 11:11:36 PM  
Well, now the rest of the country gets to feel what it's like to live in California when it comes to gas prices.

Your wages will stay the same and you'll be paying about 4.50/gal.

Except that those of us stuck behind enemy lines will be paying over 5/gal..

/sigh
 
2014-06-14 11:13:33 PM  
Why should oil and gas prices go up higher then it was back during the Iraq War part Duex when there wasn't any oil coming out of Iraq? Of yeah, because big oil can do what ever the fark they want to.
 
2014-06-14 11:16:48 PM  

oh_please: I really, really wish Obama would step up to the podium and say:

"Know what? We tried. We farking tried. It's come to the point that the United States has two options now...one, we turn Iraq into a glass parking lot, but we're not doing that. Our only other option is to bring everyone home. That's what we're doing. I'm sorry for the people that sided with us, but we honestly can't afford to police your country anymore, especially when a lot of the population sides with power-hungry assholes who are smart enough to make race and religion their bread and butter. If that's what you want, that's what you get.

"I get it, WE get it. You don't want us here. We're leaving. Good luck, you'll need it."


...he basically did say that, and the Republican talking point response has been "Obama Lost Iraq!"  Do you really think actually saying that would be any better?
 
2014-06-14 11:17:17 PM  

Laobaojun: Laobaojun: Which is absolute profiteering bull crap, as only 3% of US oil is imported from Iraq.
Farking treasonous, self-serving actions by the US oil industry.

And before the "citation needed", the citation.


On the linked page, Iran got lumped in with all the other Persian Gulf countries.  How'd you tease out Iran's contributions?
 
2014-06-14 11:26:21 PM  

oh_please: Our only other option is to bring everyone home.


And leave our native contract interpreters and their families to be massacred by their neighbors.
 
2014-06-14 11:29:30 PM  

phillydrifter: Contracts were signed by Big Oil in 2k8


i58.tinypic.com
 
2014-06-14 11:58:45 PM  
Why do people keep saying that the USA is a net exporter of oil?  Did I miss a memo? We aren't even close.  We PRODUCE more than we import, but last I checked we still have a net import of about 6 million barrels per day.
 
2014-06-15 12:20:46 AM  

birdreynolds.com

 
2014-06-15 01:07:31 AM  

danno_to_infinity: Laobaojun: Which is absolute profiteering bull crap, as only 3% of US oil is imported from Iraq.
Farking treasonous, self-serving actions by the US oil industry.

are we co-authoring a newsletter?

/great mind yadda yadda or it is fools seldom differ?

some well owner was trying to tell me today that the days of cheap gas are over forever.  Hell, I'm not looking for 29 cents a gallon, if they can't make a profit at 2 dollars a gallon, then fark them.  pump price is triple what it was in '92 (1.25), even with inflation, it shouldn't be more than 2.11 today.


So when gas really went up when Bush was in office it was all his fault but now that Obama has been there for 6 years and gas prices have gone up it's totally just the oil industry fat cats gouging everyone.

Got it.
 
2014-06-15 01:23:20 AM  

zepher: danno_to_infinity: Laobaojun: Which is absolute profiteering bull crap, as only 3% of US oil is imported from Iraq.
Farking treasonous, self-serving actions by the US oil industry.

are we co-authoring a newsletter?

/great mind yadda yadda or it is fools seldom differ?

some well owner was trying to tell me today that the days of cheap gas are over forever.  Hell, I'm not looking for 29 cents a gallon, if they can't make a profit at 2 dollars a gallon, then fark them.  pump price is triple what it was in '92 (1.25), even with inflation, it shouldn't be more than 2.11 today.

So when gas really went up when Bush was in office it was all his fault but now that Obama has been there for 6 years and gas prices have gone up it's totally just the oil industry fat cats gouging everyone.

Got it.


The US President has essentially no effect on gas prices.

Bush severely damaged the country, but not with gas prices.
 
2014-06-15 01:27:44 AM  

SurelyShirley: phillydrifter: Contracts were signed by Big Oil in 2k8

[i58.tinypic.com image 620x882]


Did you put her picture there because she needs to be lubed up or what?
 
2014-06-15 01:38:27 AM  
Meh, I already hedged my risk with Amazon Prime, an electric car and solar panels on my home's roof.
Other than the cost of milk & produce, what the fark do I care about gasoline prices?

fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net

You people, highly dependent on cheap fossil fuels, amuse me.
 
2014-06-15 01:39:45 AM  

rikkards: MaudlinMutantMollusk: IgG4: Was Iraq actually exporting any oil?

Yeah... I was wondering just how big a contributor they are myself

/found this: Iraq was the sixth largest net exporter of petroleum liquids in the world in 2012, with the majority of its oil exports going to the United States and to refineries in Asia.

But yet the majority of oil imported into the US comes from Canada.


Look up the word, 'fungible'.
 
2014-06-15 01:44:14 AM  
I can't think of a single English word that people make a bigger deal about knowing than "fungible".

Get over yourselves; damn near everyone knows that stupid word.  Learn to use Nauseated/Nauseous correctly and you can start feeling proud of yourself.
 
2014-06-15 01:44:25 AM  

Nemosomen: Speculation serves to reduce volatility, as counter-intuitive as that may sound.


That is true, but in addition to its day job, speculation also allows for bubbles and panics.   Historically, the history of oil prices during Middle East conflicts is well established; it's not a stretch at all to predict them here.
 
2014-06-15 01:47:57 AM  

Hollie Maea: I can't think of a single English word that people make a bigger deal about knowing than "fungible".

Get over yourselves; damn near everyone knows that stupid word.  Learn to use Nauseated/Nauseous correctly and you can start feeling proud of yourself.

Yet, interestingly, they never mention "fungible" when discussing natural gas. It too is a fossil fuel that the United States produces in massive quantities, enough that we simply burn it at oil wells as "waste" - yet curiously, it's about 1/3rd the price per BTU in the USA than it is in anywhere else in the developed world.
 
2014-06-15 02:31:06 AM  

BolshyGreatYarblocks: But...but....but.....shale oil makes us a net oil exporter!!!!  We're the new Saudi Arabia!!!!


And if the Chinese will pay more for a barrel of oil than we will, our domestic producers will gladly sell it to them.  Ain't capitalism grand!
 
2014-06-15 02:45:41 AM  

AeAe: Prophet of Loss: The US is a net exporter of oil.

Why the fark is gas so expensive?


Your fellow citizens have no problem screwing you and everybody else for profit, that's why.
 
2014-06-15 05:05:21 AM  
I guess it was a good time for my truck to die. Time to go back to a 6 cylinder vehicle.
 
2014-06-15 05:12:25 AM  

Prophet of Loss: The US is a net exporter of oil.


Net exporter of energy.

/ftfy
//semantics
///3
 
2014-06-15 05:16:37 AM  

zimbomba63: caeroe: I'm late to the party but anyway...

Saddam should have been left in power. Ever heard of the expression "the devil you know"? At least with him we knew he could control the religious whackjobs.
It's a shame we can't sit back and let the two muslim factions kill each other, because of farking oil prices.

Then why aren't we supporting Assad?


Who says we aren't?

*adjusts tinfoil*
 
2014-06-15 05:35:24 AM  

Cyclometh: Heh. Glad I drive a Volt. Haven't bought gas in over six months and only twice in the last year.


doesn't the gas go bad after sitting in there for a long time?
 
2014-06-15 06:47:24 AM  

Hollie Maea: I can't think of a single English word that people make a bigger deal about knowing than "fungible".

Get over yourselves; damn near everyone knows that stupid word.  Learn to use Nauseated/Nauseous correctly and you can start feeling proud of yourself.


Is that like a fungus?
 
2014-06-15 06:59:09 AM  

Vertdang: Cyclometh: Heh. Glad I drive a Volt. Haven't bought gas in over six months and only twice in the last year.

doesn't the gas go bad after sitting in there for a long time?



Gasoline lasts a really long time, but the car also will run the engine for a while every few months if you don't end up using the gas engine for a long time. I've had it happen a few times.
 
2014-06-15 07:00:50 AM  

RanDomino: Nemosomen: "If Baghdad falls" is a mighty big "if."  ISIS holds Tikrit?  Does that city support the current regime, or were they more supportive of Saddam Hussein al Tikriti's regime?

Baghdad might not fall, but it might need to be renamed "Mogadishu North".

jaytkay: The stated goal was liberating the Iraqis from dictatorship.

The "stated goal" was to eliminate Iraq's nonexistent WMDs.


Before it began, it was about getting weapons inspectors back on the ground. Then it became about destroying the WMDs they didn't find.
 
2014-06-15 07:05:59 AM  

Cyclometh:
Al Qaeda supports these groups, but is not itself these groups. ISIS is not Al Qaeda, nor is ISIL- although it's not clear to me that those two are separate, they seem to be.


Al Qaida doesn't support ISIS, even Osama bin Laden thought they were too ruthless and violent.
 
2014-06-15 07:10:48 AM  

mikeray: Those people are seriously retarded and I don't mean disabled, they are farking jelly bean retarded and Sadaam was the same but he was the meanest retard. They absolutely deserved him and we farked up not knowing that.


You're a bigot.
 
2014-06-15 07:47:39 AM  
MrSteve007:
Yet, interestingly, they never mention "fungible" when discussing natural gas. It too is a fossil fuel that the United States produces in massive quantities, enough that we simply burn it at oil wells as "waste" - yet curiously, it's about 1/3rd the price per BTU in the USA than it is in anywhere else in the developed world.

Because natural gas is harder and more expensive to export than liquid oil. As soon as the special ships get built and pipelines approved expect the local price in the US to rise much closer to the global price.
 
2014-06-15 08:06:34 AM  

Dansker: mikeray: Those people are seriously retarded and I don't mean disabled, they are farking jelly bean retarded and Sadaam was the same but he was the meanest retard. They absolutely deserved him and we farked up not knowing that.

You're a bigot.


I'd rather be a bigot than a smallot!
 
2014-06-15 08:36:20 AM  
Gas prices go up because the oil companies raise the prices.
They raise the prices because people will pay more.
When they hit a number people won't pay, they come back down a bit.

It's not that hard to understand.
Choosing a random thing to "blame" it on is strictly a PR thing, it has no relevance.
 
2014-06-15 08:53:45 AM  
Gas prices go up to pay for politicians' campaigns during election years, and for hookers and blow
 
2014-06-15 09:14:50 AM  

zimbomba63: SurelyShirley: phillydrifter: Contracts were signed by Big Oil in 2k8

[i58.tinypic.com image 620x882]

Did you put her picture there because she needs to be lubed up or what?

 
2014-06-15 09:24:53 AM  

MrSteve007: Meh, I already hedged my risk with Amazon Prime, an electric car and solar panels on my home's roof.
Other than the cost of milk & produce, what the fark do I care about gasoline prices?

[fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net image 850x482]

You people, highly dependent on cheap fossil fuels, amuse me.


Out of curiosity, what's the KW rating for your solar array?  And on a typical sunny day, how close do you come to hitting that output level?
 
2014-06-15 09:33:48 AM  

SurelyShirley: zimbomba63: SurelyShirley: phillydrifter: Contracts were signed by Big Oil in 2k8

[i58.tinypic.com image 620x882]

Did you put her picture there because she needs to be lubed up or what?


You guys are much too subtle for me.  I still think that giving her a lube job would be a good idea.
 
2014-06-15 10:04:12 AM  

ColonelCathcart: Prophet of Loss: The US is a net exporter of oil.

Net exporter of energy.

/ftfy
//semantics
///3


Net exporter of gasoline:

Link
 
2014-06-15 11:45:06 AM  

arcas: Out of curiosity, what's the KW rating for your solar array? And on a typical sunny day, how close do you come to hitting that output level?

It's a 3.8 KW set of panels, connected to a 3.6 KW inverter. Normally you don't want to do that, but since I have essentially one, smaller array that faces south and the larger array that faces west and the model of inverter has a pair of MPPT inputs, it'll handle a dual angle input.

I thought that with the two angles on the array, essentially 90-degrees off, that I would never reach the 3.6KW limit of the inverter, but boost my evening output but a few percentage points - however during cool, partially cloudy days of spring and fall, the inverter's output breaker will occasionally trip. So long answer short, it does at least 3.6 KW. I'm pretty sure it.will go above 4kw for a moment, via "edge of cloud evening" - which is poorly understood physics.

My best 24-hour level of output is 23 kWh, which isn't too bad for Seattle. I don't have enough data to give a solid daily average, based on annualized output - but I expect it to be in the 7-8 kWh a day range.
 
2014-06-15 12:46:25 PM  
Iraq is some lines the British Empire drew on a map. There is nothing to make the people inside those lines a nation, as their ethnic tribal and religious differences are to great for them to overcome. The only thing that can hold together such a mishmash is a dictator like Marshall Tito in Yugoslavia, or dare I say, Saddam Hussein. Even though he was wicked and cruel, he kept order and stability in the region, and was a bulwark against Iran. Dumbya Bush's misadventure was a terrible disaster all the way around. What we need to do now is just keep our hands off, and wait until the next strongman rises to power.
 
2014-06-15 12:47:43 PM  
I see I mad a typo using  to, not too. THIS SITE NEEDS AN EDIT COMMENTS FEATURE, DREW!
 
2014-06-15 01:15:37 PM  

MrSteve007: Meh, I already hedged my risk with Amazon Prime, an electric car and solar panels on my home's roof.
Other than the cost of milk & produce, what the fark do I care about gasoline prices?

[fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net image 850x482]

You people, highly dependent on cheap fossil fuels, amuse me.





How did those panels get to your house?
Magic?

Anyone who eats out of a grocery store or buys goods made outside of their neighborhood is highly dependent on cheap fuel. Nations are addicted to the stuff which is why the dealers can charge whatever they feel like.
Directly or indirectly, everyone pays.

/and with the reports of mass graves opening in Iraq, there's plenty of excuse to make us all pay more.
 
2014-06-15 02:11:58 PM  

Prophet of Loss: ColonelCathcart: Prophet of Loss: The US is a net exporter of oil.

Net exporter of energy.

/ftfy
//semantics
///3

Net exporter of gasoline:

Link


Gasoline is not the oil you mention in your Boobies.

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2013/01/20131514160576297. ht ml
 
2014-06-15 03:29:57 PM  

Cyclometh: Heh. Glad I drive a Volt. Haven't bought gas in over six months and only twice in the last year.


Curious: won't the gas go bad? considering plug in hybrid vs full electric in the next three years or so.

/new workplace has electric vehicle free charging via solar panels. True zero emissions!
 
2014-06-15 04:05:50 PM  

rga184: Cyclometh: Heh. Glad I drive a Volt. Haven't bought gas in over six months and only twice in the last year.

Curious: won't the gas go bad? considering plug in hybrid vs full electric in the next three years or so.

/new workplace has electric vehicle free charging via solar panels. True zero emissions!


Considering your time span specified, I would go full electric. Ranges will be rapidly riding in the next three years as other companies prepare for the gen 3 Tesla. Next version if the leaf should have around 150 miles.
 
2014-06-15 05:18:14 PM  

way south: How did those panels get to your house?Magic?

I drove the 30 miles to the solar panel factory and picked them up. Two blocks down from there, was the inverter manufacturer, and all the installation hardware came from local manufacturers. Hell, even the steel in the mounts, and raw silicon in the panels came from about 100 miles away. And since the entire region is mostly hydro power, even the raw energy input was almost entirely carbon free. Sure, there was a combustion truck or two that may have been involved with transport of one raw material or another, but 95% of the energy involved was fossil fuel free. If you pay attention to sourcing local materials, it isn't that hard. At least in a state that cares about supporting local manufacturing.
 
2014-06-15 06:51:35 PM  
I love all the farkers here saying, fark you I got mine so fark off. I'm driving an electric or I've got solar panels, you assholes don't have shiat.
Just as gracious as the typical Wall Street banker.
 
2014-06-15 06:58:46 PM  

zepher: I love all the farkers here saying, fark you I got mine so fark off. I'm driving an electric or I've got solar panels, you assholes don't have shiat.
Just as gracious as the typical Wall Street banker.


Actually, I say "Fark you" too anyone who thinks they should be able to pollute for free. Whether or not I got mine.
 
2014-06-15 07:44:58 PM  

BigLuca: hasty ambush: Well then Obama gets his wish, why are y'all biatchin?

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 333x400]

That would really be the best thing for this country in the long run.  Can you imagine the investment in alternative energies if fossil fuel costs tripled?  A solar panel on every house, new nuc facilities would be built, it would finally be profitable to collect the massive amount of natural gas that now is just burned in the field.  Hell, we'd be energy independent within 5 years and could be totally green within 20.  To bad the politicians don't have the guts to let it happen.


Sure and for those 5 years the economy is utterly ruined, unemployment will be sky high and there won't be any money to buy the green technology.  I like it!  Let's do it.  You go first.
 
2014-06-15 09:50:14 PM  

ColonelCathcart: Prophet of Loss: ColonelCathcart: Prophet of Loss: The US is a net exporter of oil.

Net exporter of energy.

/ftfy
//semantics
///3

Net exporter of gasoline:

Link

Gasoline is not the oil you mention in your Boobies.

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2013/01/20131514160576297. ht ml


Who farking cares? I don't.
 
2014-06-16 12:14:37 AM  

Hollie Maea: I can't think of a single English word that people make a bigger deal about knowing than "fungible".

Get over yourselves; damn near everyone knows that stupid word.  Learn to use Nauseated/Nauseous correctly and you can start feeling proud of yourself.


Please. Most people can't use less/fewer correctly. What makes you think that using nauseated/nauseous correctly is even an option?
 
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