Red Shirt Blues: Germany lost about 10%, Japan 4%. Both were crushed.
jehovahs witness protection: Obama planned this so he can okay the Keystone pipeline and look like he's a hero.
Cyclometh: Unless the US is willing to commit to the kind of scale of warfare that we saw in WWII- utter devastation on a massive scale and concomitant casualties, we're just not going to have the results people seem to think we will.
Freschel: zerkalo: And another civil war begins. It's gonna be armagheddon, millions slaughteredCats and dogs living together. Mass hysteria.
jaytkay: In order to successfully liberate the Iraqi people, we should have killed them all. Thanks for your insight.
CruJones: Baghdad is not going to fall. There's not that many of these guys, and can probably be handled exclusively by air. Also, their troops probably won't all run away this time. Maybe.
Cyclometh: Heh. Glad I drive a Volt. Haven't bought gas in over six months and only twice in the last year.
Cyclometh: the stated goal was to do so.
People_are_Idiots: You buy gas in another form, so electricity, food, toiletries, etc... Goes up.
hasty ambush: Well then Obama gets his wish, why are y'all biatchin?[1.bp.blogspot.com image 333x400]
jaytkay: Cyclometh: Unless the US is willing to commit to the kind of scale of warfare that we saw in WWII- utter devastation on a massive scale and concomitant casualties, we're just not going to have the results people seem to think we will.In order to successfully liberate the Iraqi people, we should have killed them all. Thanks for your insight.
jaytkay: The stated goal was liberating the Iraqis from dictatorship.
BigLuca: hasty ambush: Well then Obama gets his wish, why are y'all biatchin?[1.bp.blogspot.com image 333x400]That would really be the best thing for this country in the long run. Can you imagine the investment in alternative energies if fossil fuel costs tripled? A solar panel on every house, new nuc facilities would be built, it would finally be profitable to collect the massive amount of natural gas that now is just burned in the field. Hell, we'd be energy independent within 5 years and could be totally green within 20. To bad the politicians don't have the guts to let it happen.
Nemosomen: "If Baghdad falls" is a mighty big "if." ISIS holds Tikrit? Does that city support the current regime, or were they more supportive of Saddam Hussein al Tikriti's regime?
Laobaojun: Which is absolute profiteering bull crap, as only 3% of US oil is imported from Iraq.Farking treasonous, self-serving actions by the US oil industry.
Raoul Eaton: Ooooooh! An Analyst predicted something!! He must be right, then!!! Everyone run for cover!!!!
destrip: Iraq was under the power of a greedy dictator for years, gas prices were cheap and stable ($1.29-1.39 from the 80s - early 2000s)We took over Iraq, gas prices went up to unprecedented highs (remember, most gas pumps were, by design, incapable of registering more than $1.99 a gallon?)Iraq achieved "independence," gas prices stayed up.Iraq has issues again, gas prices go up.Something doesn't quite add up here.As far as the yahoos taking over cities there, there are relatively few roads between cities. As the "militants" are a bunch of towelheads riding around in Toyota pickups, why can't we, or the Iraqi army for that matter, just bomb or blockade the main highways leading into Baghdad? If the militants can't get there they can't take anything over. Blast 'em into the stone age like we did to Saddam's army when they were fleeing Kuwait during Desert Storm.Better yet, go high tech and use an EMP weapon to disable the pickups!
jaytkay: Cyclometh: the stated goal was to do so.The stated goal was liberating the Iraqis from dictatorship.
rikkards: But yet the majority of oil imported into the US comes from Canada.
Pattuq: Oil prices are part of a big game being played by rich assholes. They reflect the emotions of investors and not the actual state of the world.The US imports over double the amount of petroleum from Canada than it does from the next highest source - Saudi Arabia. Iraq doesn't even factor into the numbers. Only about 13% of America's oil actually comes from the Middle East.People have this impression that all the oil comes from the ME, and that if some Saudi or Iraqi guy has a bad day he can fark over the entire country with a phone call. That is exaggerated. I would say people should be more worried about gas prices when a Canadian hockey team loses a game, or when moose stampedes damage the oil facilities.
jaytkay: "I think they're in the last throes, if you will, of the insurgency."-- Dick Cheney, July 20, 2005
RanDomino: Nemosomen: "If Baghdad falls" is a mighty big "if." ISIS holds Tikrit? Does that city support the current regime, or were they more supportive of Saddam Hussein al Tikriti's regime?Baghdad might not fall, but it might need to be renamed "Mogadishu North".
Saturn5: rikkards: But yet the majority of oil imported into the US comes from Canada.
FiggyPudding: "A fighter using a loudspeaker urged the people to join the militant group "to liberate Baghdad and Jerusalem," according to CBS News. "/shiatstorm in process
zepher: "Al Qaeda has been decimated"- Barack Obama, Nov. 1 2012
BigLuca: Uzzah:On the other hand, Baghdad is in a majority Shia area, and the able-bodied Shia men there will have no reluctance to defend the city vigorously. Ultimately, we're going to wind up with the sort of Sunni/Shia partitioning that we should've done in the first placeYou seem knowledgeable, so let me ask you a question. What are the odds Iran would get involved? I mean, if the Sunni uprising actually did threaten Baghdad, wouldn't they step in?
BigLuca: What are the odds Iran would get involved? I mean, if the Sunni uprising actually did threaten Baghdad, wouldn't they step in?
oh_please: I really, really wish Obama would step up to the podium and say:"Know what? We tried. We farking tried. It's come to the point that the United States has two options now...one, we turn Iraq into a glass parking lot, but we're not doing that. Our only other option is to bring everyone home. That's what we're doing. I'm sorry for the people that sided with us, but we honestly can't afford to police your country anymore, especially when a lot of the population sides with power-hungry assholes who are smart enough to make race and religion their bread and butter. If that's what you want, that's what you get."I get it, WE get it. You don't want us here. We're leaving. Good luck, you'll need it."
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