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(CBS Los Angeles 2)   If Baghdad falls, today's gas prices will "look like a bargain in a couple weeks". Happy vacation season, everyone   (losangeles.cbslocal.com) divider line 261
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2014-06-14 01:38:53 PM  
If we do nothing, gas prices go up.
If we do something, gas prices go up.
If the sun rises...
 
2014-06-14 01:52:05 PM  
Was Iraq actually exporting any oil?
 
2014-06-14 01:57:47 PM  

IgG4: Was Iraq actually exporting any oil?


Contracts were signed by Big Oil in 2k8
 
2014-06-14 02:01:45 PM  

IgG4: Was Iraq actually exporting any oil?


Yeah... I was wondering just how big a contributor they are myself

/found this: Iraq was the sixth largest net exporter of petroleum liquids in the world in 2012, with the majority of its oil exports going to the United States and to refineries in Asia.
 
2014-06-14 03:49:40 PM  

phillydrifter: 2k8


Is it really that much more difficult to type "2008?"

It's one extra keystroke.
 
2014-06-14 04:15:30 PM  

Shostie: phillydrifter: 2k8

Is it really that much more difficult to type "2008?"

It's one extra keystroke.


U 8'nt hip 2 da lingo, brah ...
 
2014-06-14 04:20:40 PM  

Shostie: phillydrifter: 2k8

Is it really that much more difficult to type "2008?"

It's one extra keystroke.


And I probably had an extra stroke trying to read it... i like eggs! I like you, Betty.
 
2014-06-14 04:45:45 PM  
Mission accomplished?
 
2014-06-14 04:48:28 PM  

Shostie: Is it really that much more difficult to type "2008?"


He's just used to it from playing EA's Future Trader 2k8
 
2014-06-14 04:52:03 PM  
2k8,

Thx 4 b'n my gf.

<3,
PRNCE WLM
 
2014-06-14 04:52:26 PM  
Most of the current gas price is based on futures and speculation. But, I'd definitely refrain from fueling up within 48 hours of Baghdad's fall; if it happens.
 
2014-06-14 05:04:33 PM  
Isis already holds Tikrit. Whether or not they can keep it is up in the air. Gas be going up either way
 
2014-06-14 05:05:24 PM  
Guess I have to hope I'm hired close to home. There are two shopping centers within a mile of my place, for crying out loud.
 
2014-06-14 05:06:21 PM  
Heh. Glad I drive a Volt. Haven't bought gas in over six months and only twice in the last year.
 
2014-06-14 05:06:59 PM  

iheartscotch: Most of the current gas price is based on futures and speculation. But, I'd definitely refrain from fueling up within 48 hours of Baghdad's fall; if it happens.


They are going to speculate the SHIAT out of gas prices
 
2014-06-14 05:07:23 PM  

Shostie: phillydrifter: 2k8

Is it really that much more difficult to type "2008?"

It's one extra keystroke.


Judging by his handle he's from Philly, so the answer to your question is yes.
 
2014-06-14 05:09:20 PM  
I take the bus, so I'm good.
 
2014-06-14 05:09:58 PM  
All I'm saying is, next time we go to war for oil. Let's get some oil.
 
2014-06-14 05:11:00 PM  
Because reasons.
 
2014-06-14 05:11:42 PM  
Well, at least one good thing will come of it.
 
2014-06-14 05:14:19 PM  

Fark like a Barsoomian: All I'm saying is, next time we go to war for oil. Let's get some oil.


We should get the oil upfront.
 
2014-06-14 05:15:18 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: IgG4: Was Iraq actually exporting any oil?

Yeah... I was wondering just how big a contributor they are myself

/found this: Iraq was the sixth largest net exporter of petroleum liquids in the world in 2012, with the majority of its oil exports going to the United States and to refineries in Asia.


But yet the majority of oil imported into the US comes from Canada.
 
2014-06-14 05:15:21 PM  
And another civil war begins. It's gonna be armagheddon, millions slaughtered
 
2014-06-14 05:16:24 PM  
My commute is 4 minutes...I'll live.
 
2014-06-14 05:16:26 PM  
But I've been assured by many Fark Independents our involvement in Iraq had nothing to do with oil. So this can't possibly be true.
 
2014-06-14 05:16:43 PM  
i say let them fall, they knew what they were getting into.
 
2014-06-14 05:16:48 PM  
Obama planned this so he can okay the Keystone pipeline and look like he's a hero.
 
2014-06-14 05:17:41 PM  
Which is absolute profiteering bull crap, as only 3% of US oil is imported from Iraq.
Farking treasonous, self-serving actions by the US oil industry.
 
2014-06-14 05:17:58 PM  

Shostie: It's one extra keystroke.


Keystrokes can lead to keysucks.
 
2014-06-14 05:18:18 PM  

IgG4: Was Iraq actually exporting any oil?


Well, for the Chinese, they were. We just provided the blood.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/03/world/middleeast/china-reaps-bigge st -benefits-of-iraq-oil-boom.html?pagewanted=all
 
2014-06-14 05:18:55 PM  

zerkalo: And another civil war begins. It's gonna be armagheddon, millions slaughtered


Cats and dogs living together. Mass hysteria.
 
2014-06-14 05:20:31 PM  

Laobaojun: Which is absolute profiteering bull crap, as only 3% of US oil is imported from Iraq.
Farking treasonous, self-serving actions by the US oil industry.


But if someone else (China) can't get their oil, and Iran is functionally offline, the global price will go up. No matter how many holes we drill in North Dakota.
 
2014-06-14 05:21:03 PM  

Laobaojun: Which is absolute profiteering bull crap, as only 3% of US oil is imported from Iraq.
Farking treasonous, self-serving actions by the US oil industry.


And before the "citation needed", the citation.
 
2014-06-14 05:21:39 PM  

zerkalo: And another civil war begins. It's gonna be armagheddon, millions slaughtered


Don't know about millions- maybe over the entire timeframe. But it was obvious what was going to happen at the outset.

The US keeps thinking they can do this thing where they go in with the military, kick some ass for a while, spend a bunch of money and then put in whatever government they want.

It simply doesn't work. Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan... the last time we managed to actually install a new government in a defeated enemy nation was pretty much Japan.

And nobody's willing to consider the price required to do it again. I've said it before and I'll stand by it- unless you're willing to see at least 15% of an entire generation dead, you're not going to win. If you want to completely destroy a government and replace it, you have to be willing to destroy their society and that means killing a lot of people. Whether it's bullets, bombs or nukes, you have to be willing to murder entire cities, not just individuals or small areas.

Until we remember that to defeat an enemy means to kill enough of them that the entire culture is broken, we'll keep coming back here. You can't engage in nation-building unless you're willing to engage in nation-destroying.

The reason we're so bad at it is that we can't stomach the cost unless it's imposed on us, as it was in World War II. When it's our own choice, we're not willing to do what's necessary to actually accomplish the goal. And that's why it's always been a bad idea, and will continue to be one because we spend blood and treasure for nothing.
 
2014-06-14 05:21:44 PM  

Laobaojun: Which is absolute profiteering bull crap, as only 3% of US oil is imported from Iraq.
Farking treasonous, self-serving actions by the US oil industry.


www.freewilliamsburg.com

Cry sum moar, peasant. I ain't done fapping! HUR HUR HUR HUR HUR!!
 
2014-06-14 05:22:39 PM  

jehovahs witness protection: Obama planned this so he can okay the Keystone pipeline and look like he's a hero.


How would raising gas prices make him look like a hero?
 
2014-06-14 05:26:57 PM  
I drive less than 250 miles per year but when fuel prices go up then the price of everything goes up regardless of what you do personally
 
2014-06-14 05:27:43 PM  

Cyclometh: zerkalo: And another civil war begins. It's gonna be armagheddon, millions slaughtered

Don't know about millions- maybe over the entire timeframe. But it was obvious what was going to happen at the outset.

The US keeps thinking they can do this thing where they go in with the military, kick some ass for a while, spend a bunch of money and then put in whatever government they want.

It simply doesn't work. Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan... the last time we managed to actually install a new government in a defeated enemy nation was pretty much Japan.

And nobody's willing to consider the price required to do it again. I've said it before and I'll stand by it- unless you're willing to see at least 15% of an entire generation dead, you're not going to win. If you want to completely destroy a government and replace it, you have to be willing to destroy their society and that means killing a lot of people. Whether it's bullets, bombs or nukes, you have to be willing to murder entire cities, not just individuals or small areas.

Until we remember that to defeat an enemy means to kill enough of them that the entire culture is broken, we'll keep coming back here. You can't engage in nation-building unless you're willing to engage in nation-destroying.

The reason we're so bad at it is that we can't stomach the cost unless it's imposed on us, as it was in World War II. When it's our own choice, we're not willing to do what's necessary to actually accomplish the goal. And that's why it's always been a bad idea, and will continue to be one because we spend blood and treasure for nothing.


sounds hawt. let's get some boots on the ground.
 
2014-06-14 05:28:16 PM  
humboldtsentinel.com
 
2014-06-14 05:28:21 PM  
The only way directly it can affect my family, is my wife is the only one who drives, I do not. I just ride my bike. Mostly to about a 3 mile radius or so. I understand prices for groceries, bike parts, etc will go up, but not as much of a direct impact to my wallet. Plus, living in a "poor" state helps.
 
2014-06-14 05:28:23 PM  

Cyclometh: Heh. Glad I drive a Volt. Haven't bought gas in over six months and only twice in the last year.


Mine is perfect for me. Even texts me when charging is complete.
 
2014-06-14 05:31:00 PM  
Thanks, Obama.

//obligatory.
 
2014-06-14 05:31:42 PM  
Ooooooh!  An Analyst predicted something!!  He must be right, then!!!  Everyone run for cover!!!!
 
KNW
2014-06-14 05:33:18 PM  
After convering Canadian pesos to American dollars, I'm already paying over $5/gal; and I'm in the province with the lowest fuel prices.

So if you're looking for pity, you can seriously go fark yourselves.
 
2014-06-14 05:33:28 PM  
I have G6.
 
2014-06-14 05:34:04 PM  
Well then Obama gets his wish, why are y'all biatchin?

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2014-06-14 05:34:05 PM  

some_beer_drinker: sounds hawt. let's get some boots on the ground.


Joking aside, I'm deadly serious. Unless the US is willing to commit to the kind of scale of warfare that we saw in WWII- utter devastation on a massive scale and concomitant casualties, we're just not going to have the results people seem to think we will. Unless you're willing to accept that we'd have to do what was done in Dresden, Osaka, Kassel, Darmstadt, London, and Berlin- completely destroy cities and commit the resources to see that it's actually done, and follow it up with, as you so prosaically put it, "boots on the ground", we're not going to see success in any "regime change" we ever attempt militarily.
 
2014-06-14 05:34:36 PM  

Cyclometh: And nobody's willing to consider the price required to do it again. I've said it before and I'll stand by it- unless you're willing to see at least 15% of an entire generation dead, you're not going to win. If you want to completely destroy a government and replace it, you have to be willing to destroy their society and that means killing a lot of people


Germany lost about 10%, Japan 4%. Both were crushed.
 
2014-06-14 05:36:31 PM  

hasty ambush: Well then Obama gets his wish, why are y'all biatchin?


Who is biatching?
 
2014-06-14 05:36:38 PM  
The US is a net exporter of oil.
 
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