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(Cigars International)   The FDA wants to jack up the price of your cigars. You can submit a comment on the regulation but they probably won't listen anyway   (cigarsinternational.com) divider line 49
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2014-06-13 02:44:29 PM  
This is just my personal opinion, but as an adult who enjoys premium cigars, I urge the FDA to remove the $10 price definition, and any other price requirements from the definition of premium cigars. Premium cigars should be defined only by their construction and composition, and not by their price. Cigars priced $10 and above currently represent a very small fraction of the premium cigar industry and this arbitrary number would result in serious damages to an industry and a hobby that's very important to me and millions of other Americans. If regulation of this 1,000-year-plus pastime is absolutely necessary, I ask only for fair and rational requirements. A $10 minimum price point is neither fair nor rational. Thank you for your consideration of my concerns.
 
2014-06-13 02:46:22 PM  

syrynxx: This is just my personal opinion, but as an adult who enjoys premium cigars, I urge the FDA to remove the $10 price definition, and any other price requirements from the definition of premium cigars. Premium cigars should be defined only by their construction and composition, and not by their price. Cigars priced $10 and above currently represent a very small fraction of the premium cigar industry and this arbitrary number would result in serious damages to an industry and a hobby that's very important to me and millions of other Americans. If regulation of this 1,000-year-plus pastime is absolutely necessary, I ask only for fair and rational requirements. A $10 minimum price point is neither fair nor rational. Thank you for your consideration of my concerns.


I enjoy the occasional $7.00 premium cigar and do not want any price hike.
 
2014-06-13 03:19:22 PM  
Simple solution, any cigar that is hand rolled and has over 60% long fill tobacco gets left alone

The flavor requirement would treat a Isle Del Sol the same as a grape swisher, sure the Isle is coffee infused but it's still a real cigar
 
2014-06-13 03:20:30 PM  
Also if we are going to have a cigar thread have to share
Wednesday Kinky Friedman gave me a Kinky Friedman Texas Star cigar! It was the last one he had no less

In short Kinky Friedman is now my hero and maybe they do make Jews like Jesus after all
 
2014-06-13 03:37:46 PM  
Meh.
 
2014-06-13 03:40:33 PM  
Can't say I'm especially concerned about a price increase of an unhealthy status symbol.
 
2014-06-13 03:42:31 PM  
Te Amo FDA!
 
2014-06-13 03:45:08 PM  

ikanreed: Can't say I'm especially concerned about a price increase of an unhealthy status symbol.


Spoken like one who thinks it's the government's job to make individual behavior and choices conform to approved norms.

First they came for the cigar-chomping fat cats ...
 
2014-06-13 03:46:40 PM  

ikanreed: Can't say I'm especially concerned about a price increase of an unhealthy status symbol.


Do you drink wine? Nit the good stuff, I hope.
 
2014-06-13 03:50:26 PM  
Washington is filled with a bunch of tax wendigos. Always hungry and nothing off the table.
 
2014-06-13 03:50:54 PM  
So the government defines premium cigars as $10 or more. Joey five-buck cigar over there can't call his cigars premium anymore, so he jacks up the price to keep the label? Is that what's going on? Sounds like the cigar companies are the assholes here.
 
2014-06-13 03:52:31 PM  

HowDareYouCallMeAHoser: ikanreed: Can't say I'm especially concerned about a price increase of an unhealthy status symbol.

Do you drink wine? Nit the good stuff, I hope.


Don't care.  Really.  Tax the luxury goods I do use, doesn't bother me.

jjorsett: ikanreed: Can't say I'm especially concerned about a price increase of an unhealthy status symbol.

Spoken like one who thinks it's the government's job to make individual behavior and choices conform to approved norms.

First they came for the cigar-chomping fat cats ...


Because and they wouldn't shut up about trivialities, because no one whines  like rich people, apparently.
 
2014-06-13 03:53:00 PM  

AMonkey'sUncle: Te Amo Punch FDA!


Fixed for the cigar smokers
 
2014-06-13 03:55:07 PM  

Jaden Smith First of His Name: So the government defines premium cigars as $10 or more. Joey five-buck cigar over there can't call his cigars premium anymore, so he jacks up the price to keep the label? Is that what's going on? Sounds like the cigar companies are the assholes here.


Interesting angle. It's not unheard of for the well heeled to silently push for regulations that make life suck for their competition.
 
2014-06-13 03:55:43 PM  

Mrbogey: Washington is filled with a bunch of tax wendigos. Always hungry and nothing off the table.


*ignores reality of overall tax burden*
 
2014-06-13 04:00:17 PM  

ikanreed: HowDareYouCallMeAHoser: ikanreed: Can't say I'm especially concerned about a price increase of an unhealthy status symbol.

Do you drink wine? Nit the good stuff, I hope.

Don't care.  Really.  Tax the luxury goods I do use, doesn't bother me.

jjorsett: ikanreed: Can't say I'm especially concerned about a price increase of an unhealthy status symbol.

Spoken like one who thinks it's the government's job to make individual behavior and choices conform to approved norms.

First they came for the cigar-chomping fat cats ...

Because and they wouldn't shut up about trivialities, because no one whines  like rich people, apparently.


Yeah, only rich people smoke cigars and drink wine.  Dork.
 
2014-06-13 04:02:59 PM  
What the article doesn't mention is that this whole FDA interest in cigars is nothing new. What IS new is the increasingly popular vape craze and they are using THAT, saying E cigarettes and hookahs are being targeted at young people (look at all the flavors!) to drive this regulation. They've just included cigars because they've always wanted to regulate them as well and now they can bundle them into the same law.
 
2014-06-13 04:03:45 PM  

topcon: Yeah, only rich people smoke cigars and drink wine. Dork.


They brought up rich people.  I was talking about status symbols, and the conspicuous waste of resources that represents.  You don't need to be rich to do that, but you need to pretend you are.
 
2014-06-13 04:04:40 PM  
What kind of hike are we talking? What will I be paying for my previously-$10 cigar? $10.25? $10.50? I could live with that (though I'd prefer it if there were strict rules about where that collection went).

Or is it a socialism-enabling, terrorist-breeding, American-way-of-life-destroying ELEVEN whole dollars?!
 
2014-06-13 04:05:00 PM  

jjorsett: Spoken like one who thinks it's the government's job to make individual behavior and choices conform to approved norms


The irony of you saying this is hilarious. I wonder if you even realize why.
 
2014-06-13 04:06:21 PM  

Jaden Smith First of His Name: So the government defines premium cigars as $10 or more. Joey five-buck cigar over there can't call his cigars premium anymore, so he jacks up the price to keep the label? Is that what's going on? Sounds like the cigar companies are the assholes here.


And if this is what's going on I care even less that I originally thought I did.
 
2014-06-13 04:07:40 PM  

ikanreed: topcon: Yeah, only rich people smoke cigars and drink wine. Dork.

They brought up rich people.  I was talking about status symbols, and the conspicuous waste of resources that represents.  You don't need to be rich to do that, but you need to pretend you are.


You sound frustrated, broke, and futureless.
 
2014-06-13 04:09:33 PM  
This is a matter of definition not something that people have to complain about.

That is, a 'luxury' cigar priced at $9 will still be just as good, even if it can't claim to be 'premium'.

This is an argument about advertising, not an attempt to raise the price of anything.
 
2014-06-13 04:11:35 PM  

R.A.Danny: You sound frustrated, broke, and futureless.


And we have another failed internet psychology assessment.  I'm well enough off that I have no financial concerns at all, and more than that isn't your business.
 
2014-06-13 04:11:52 PM  

Jaden Smith First of His Name: So the government defines premium cigars as $10 or more. Joey five-buck cigar over there can't call his cigars premium anymore, so he jacks up the price to keep the label? Is that what's going on? Sounds like the cigar companies are the assholes here.


Is that it? Seems the easiest solution would be to stop using that label if the law sets a minimum of $10 per stick. Or petition to base the definition of "premium" on a characteristic other than price. Especially since websites like CigarMonster would have ~$3 per stick in 5-packs of "premium" cigars.
 
2014-06-13 04:12:40 PM  
Just skimmed through the document to see what was really going on. Tobacco products of all kinds are going under FDA jurisdiction with all sorts of warning labels and regulations... with the notable exception of premium cigars. So to avoid having to deal with job-killing regulations, Philly blunts will hypothetically cost ten bucks a pop. It's not a tax. It's a loophole.
 
2014-06-13 04:16:53 PM  

ikanreed: R.A.Danny: You sound frustrated, broke, and futureless.

And we have another failed internet psychology assessment.  I'm well enough off that I have no financial concerns at all, and more than that isn't your business.


Now I know you're lying.
 
2014-06-13 04:20:13 PM  

R.A.Danny: ikanreed: R.A.Danny: You sound frustrated, broke, and futureless.

And we have another failed internet psychology assessment.  I'm well enough off that I have no financial concerns at all, and more than that isn't your business.

Now I know you're lying.


Yes, let's see you pinpoint the statement that was a lie.  I know the state of my bank account, 401k, and other basic financial affairs better than you do.  I'm pretty sure I get to be the expert on how well I'm doing.
 
2014-06-13 05:26:25 PM  

phaseolus: AMonkey'sUncle: Te Amo Punch FDA!

Fixed for the cigar smokers


We could give them El Baton.
 
2014-06-13 05:42:32 PM  
Cigars are vile-smelling penis proxies for closeted cocksuckers.

/that's how it's done
 
2014-06-13 05:47:40 PM  

Nix Nightbird: Cigars are vile-smelling penis proxies for closeted cocksuckers.

/that's how it's done


Bow to the master.
 
2014-06-13 06:40:57 PM  
Cigars are just as dangerous as other combustible tobacco products.  There is no good reason that they should be excluded from tobacco regulations.  I mean surely it's about health and not just about sticking it to the poors, right?   It's about time the fat cats started paying the same kind of sin taxes on their vices as the proles do.
 
2014-06-13 06:42:08 PM  
As a occasional cigar smoker, I don't care.

Actual text of legislation:

http://www.regulations.gov/#!documentDetail;D=FDA-2014-N-0189-0001

Sounds like they're targeting shiatty, poorly made cigars of questionable content and flavor.  Basically, it's targeting the things kids are likely to try.  I'm ok with this.
 
2014-06-13 06:53:26 PM  

Jaden Smith First of His Name: Just skimmed through the document to see what was really going on. Tobacco products of all kinds are going under FDA jurisdiction with all sorts of warning labels and regulations... with the notable exception of premium cigars. So to avoid having to deal with job-killing regulations, Philly blunts will hypothetically cost ten bucks a pop. It's not a tax. It's a loophole.


Though tbh, if you end up spending $10 on a Philly blunt because it's a 'premium' cigar...Hell, if you spend money on Philly blunts, period- you lack taste of any kind.

/same goes for Black & Mild's; Swisher Sweets; et al.
//diehard Romeo y Julieta aficionado
 
2014-06-13 06:56:46 PM  

TheEdibleSnuggie: Jaden Smith First of His Name: Just skimmed through the document to see what was really going on. Tobacco products of all kinds are going under FDA jurisdiction with all sorts of warning labels and regulations... with the notable exception of premium cigars. So to avoid having to deal with job-killing regulations, Philly blunts will hypothetically cost ten bucks a pop. It's not a tax. It's a loophole.

Though tbh, if you end up spending $10 on a Philly blunt because it's a 'premium' cigar...Hell, if you spend money on Philly blunts, period- you lack taste of any kind.

/same goes for Black & Mild's; Swisher Sweets; et al.
//diehard Romeo y Julieta aficionado


The only people I know who buy Phillies, are not smoking them.

/well, at least not as a cigar
 
2014-06-13 08:06:41 PM  
See, we should just elect a Republican president.  Then things like this won't be a problem, because the FDA will be abolished.
 
2014-06-13 08:27:25 PM  
TheEdibleSnuggie:  diehard Romeo y Julieta aficionado

The Vintage series are excellent, the 1875's, not so much.
 
2014-06-13 09:21:44 PM  
If this doesn't convince you that government is too big, nothing will.
 
2014-06-13 10:48:18 PM  

topcon: ikanreed: HowDareYouCallMeAHoser: ikanreed: Can't say I'm especially concerned about a price increase of an unhealthy status symbol.

Do you drink wine? Nit the good stuff, I hope.

Don't care.  Really.  Tax the luxury goods I do use, doesn't bother me.

jjorsett: ikanreed: Can't say I'm especially concerned about a price increase of an unhealthy status symbol.

Spoken like one who thinks it's the government's job to make individual behavior and choices conform to approved norms.

First they came for the cigar-chomping fat cats ...

Because and they wouldn't shut up about trivialities, because no one whines  like rich people, apparently.

Yeah, only rich people smoke cigars and drink wine.  Dork.


poor people smoke Swisher Sweets and drink Mad Dog 20/20 or Boone's Farm.
 
2014-06-13 11:46:40 PM  
I don't smoke so hell yeah raise the price.  What do I care?
 
2014-06-14 12:19:57 AM  
Wait, now the ATF is just going to be AF?
 
2014-06-14 12:57:40 AM  

TheEdibleSnuggie: Hell, if you spend money on Philly blunts, period- you lack taste of any kind.

/same goes for Black & Mild's; Swisher Sweets; et al.


Dick
 
2014-06-14 02:23:07 AM  

PanicMan: As a occasional cigar smoker, I don't care.

Actual text of legislation:

http://www.regulations.gov/#!documentDetail;D=FDA-2014-N-0189-0001

Sounds like they're targeting shiatty, poorly made cigars of questionable content and flavor.  Basically, it's targeting the things kids are likely to try.  I'm ok with this.

 
2014-06-14 02:59:11 AM  
So the fact that the sponge didn't post here proves he has a (tedious) alt.
 
2014-06-14 08:35:54 AM  

BSABSVR: So the fact that the sponge didn't post here proves he has a (tedious) alt.


I'm travelling.
 
2014-06-14 11:53:16 AM  
I went through a phase where I loved cigars.  I got caught up in the presumed 'prestige' and 'elitism' until I found out that 90% of all cigars' cache is just marketing.  I quit smoking them when my favorite brands either went away or jacked up the cost too much.  This was in the late 90s, early 2Ks.  That nonsense of the illegal Cubans, fancy wrappings, etc was really just for the gullible bandwagon types like I used to be.

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar marketing scam.
 
2014-06-14 01:25:58 PM  
Nice cigar retailers site, bro!
 
2014-06-14 08:25:16 PM  
For anyone who didn't actually bother reading the proposal, a whole slew of regulations are going to be placed on tobacco products, but it excludes cigars that cost $10 or higher. The issue being the new regulations are going to cost the cigar makers a ton and are pretty stupid to begin with. You like buying unwrapped individual cigars? well, the new regulations require that the individual cigars be covered with ingredients, warning labels, etc... causing them to stop selling them individually or charge $10 for each.
 
2014-06-14 10:22:31 PM  

doofusgumby: Wait, now the ATF is just going to be AF?


It already got broken out into the TTB.
 
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