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(The Daily Beast)   John McCain (R-eality challenged): We won the Iraq war. Obama lost it   (thedailybeast.com) divider line 282
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2014-06-13 10:21:56 AM
mccain is in-farking-sane.

here's the deal: iraq is a european construct, created out of the desert after WWI by drawing lines on a map. those lines enclosed three historically antithetical factions: sunnis, shiates and kurds. stability was maintained initially through a colonial government, a strong monarchy and then through a brutal dictatorship. when we removed that dictatorship in 2003, it was inevitable that the country would fall apart. and that is what's happening now.

iraq should never have been a country in the first place, except maybe as a smaller sunni country, with the rest going to syria and an independent kurdistan.
 
2014-06-13 10:24:25 AM
What he said^
 
2014-06-13 10:27:09 AM
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2014-06-13 10:30:47 AM
So what happens if we decide to let them go it alone...no intervention from the US? Can we consider that approach?
 
2014-06-13 10:31:33 AM
Done in one.
 
2014-06-13 10:32:05 AM
Technically I guess we won the war. Unfortunately, like usual, nobody cared enough to think beyond blowing shiat up.

In addition to the above comments, middle eastern people don't have the cultural foundation to have real, successful democracies. I say that as a man of middle eastern descent. They need time to change their whole culture and mindset. You can't just shove elections at them and say "you're a democracy now! Have fun!"
 
2014-06-13 10:41:51 AM
I'm curious as to when, exactly, we had this thing won. And when, exactly, we lost it.
 
2014-06-13 10:47:26 AM
And the reason we didn't leave behind a residual force is because the Iraqi government wouldn't let us. We wanted to have any service member tried in a military court for crimes committed there, and they disagreed. Hence we were invited to leave.
 
2014-06-13 10:52:36 AM

ginandbacon: I'm curious as to when, exactly, we had this thing won. And when, exactly, we lost it.


We lost it the day we went in
 
2014-06-13 10:53:05 AM
i see i was filtwned when naming the adherents to the shia branch of islam. i should've seen that coming.
 
2014-06-13 10:55:03 AM
Sure we won the war, but we lost the peace.

Of course, like the rigged carney game that the Iraq War was, there never really was any peace to win.
 
2014-06-13 10:56:39 AM

FlashHarry: mccain is in-farking-sane.

here's the deal: iraq is a european construct, created out of the desert after WWI by drawing lines on a map. those lines enclosed three historically antithetical factions: sunnis, shiates and kurds. stability was maintained initially through a colonial government, a strong monarchy and then through a brutal dictatorship. when we removed that dictatorship in 2003, it was inevitable that the country would fall apart. and that is what's happening now.

iraq should never have been a country in the first place, except maybe as a smaller sunni country, with the rest going to syria and an independent kurdistan.


Same problem in Africa, really.  Arbitrary borders drawn up by foreigners that in no way represent the real ethnic, tribal or religious groups.  See also:  division of India and Pakistan
 
2014-06-13 10:57:57 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: What he said^


Why is that so goddamn hard for certain people to get?
 
2014-06-13 10:57:58 AM
Thanks Bush.

Can't believe I actually supported going to war. At least I never voted for him.
 
2014-06-13 10:59:03 AM

FlashHarry: mccain is in-farking-sane senile.


ftfy
 
2014-06-13 10:59:59 AM

FlashHarry: i see i was filtwned when naming the adherents to the shia branch of islam. i should've seen that coming.


if you hadn't pointed it out, no one would have noticed :-)
 
2014-06-13 11:03:26 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: ginandbacon: I'm curious as to when, exactly, we had this thing won. And when, exactly, we lost it.

We lost it the day we went in


Well yeah, but what date does McCain look at as when the mission was accomplished?
 
2014-06-13 11:04:42 AM
Isn't McCain retiring soon? He's too old to be effective in government.
 
2014-06-13 11:09:51 AM
Okay, we're now back into the "you didn't believe, which was the real problem" territory that these idiots do with every stupid war.
 
2014-06-13 11:11:24 AM
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Is he using his cheeks for storage now?
 
2014-06-13 11:11:56 AM

raerae1980: Isn't McCain retiring soon? He's too old to be effective in government.


He's been that way at least 6 years.  Of course, there's a lot of ineffective in Congress right now.
 
2014-06-13 11:11:57 AM
The only thing I can think of that is possibly funnier than the argle bargle coming out of today's GOP.

www.dragtimes.com
 
2014-06-13 11:11:59 AM

FlashHarry: mccain is in-farking-sane.

here's the deal: iraq is a european construct, created out of the desert after WWI by drawing lines on a map. those lines enclosed three historically antithetical factions: sunnis, shiates and kurds. stability was maintained initially through a colonial government, a strong monarchy and then through a brutal dictatorship. when we removed that dictatorship in 2003, it was inevitable that the country would fall apart. and that is what's happening now.

iraq should never have been a country in the first place, except maybe as a smaller sunni country, with the rest going to syria and an independent kurdistan.


Except that now it is an OPEC nation, a very large oil producer, one of the largest in the world, and splitting it up geographically may be easy, but those folks aren't going to want to give up that oil revenue, and therein lies the problem - how do you split up oil money when the production of it isn't really spread out in the same way the ethnic and religious groups are?
 
2014-06-13 11:12:19 AM

nekom: Same problem in Africa, really.


having lived in nigeria as a kid, i can vouch for this.
 
2014-06-13 11:12:34 AM

nekom: FlashHarry: mccain is in-farking-sane.

here's the deal: iraq is a european construct, created out of the desert after WWI by drawing lines on a map. those lines enclosed three historically antithetical factions: sunnis, shiates and kurds. stability was maintained initially through a colonial government, a strong monarchy and then through a brutal dictatorship. when we removed that dictatorship in 2003, it was inevitable that the country would fall apart. and that is what's happening now.

iraq should never have been a country in the first place, except maybe as a smaller sunni country, with the rest going to syria and an independent kurdistan.

Same problem in Africa, really.  Arbitrary borders drawn up by foreigners that in no way represent the real ethnic, tribal or religious groups.  See also:  division of India and Pakistan


Same thing happened in Eastern Europe. When the Iron curtain fell you saw the hell that broke loose there.
 
2014-06-13 11:13:10 AM
I am reminded to again give thanks this man, with Palin as VP, isn't sitting as Commander in Chief
 
2014-06-13 11:13:13 AM

raerae1980: Isn't McCain retiring soon? He's too old to be effective in government.


That's true for anyone over retirement age.
 
2014-06-13 11:13:41 AM
did obama check under the couches in the oval office
 
2014-06-13 11:13:46 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: ginandbacon: I'm curious as to when, exactly, we had this thing won. And when, exactly, we lost it.

We lost it the day we went in

the GOP stole the 2000 election.

FTFY

raerae1980: Thanks Bush.

Can't believe I actually supported going to war. At least I never voted for him.


I really wanted to believe them when they said Saddam had WMDs, and was even willing to forgive them
flip flopping on whether they were nukes or gas.

Once they went in and found none, I wish I could say I was shocked.
 
2014-06-13 11:14:09 AM
Why are the Democrats letting an al qaeda army march across an allied nation conquering towns and leaving beheaded bodies in their wake?
 
2014-06-13 11:14:16 AM

FlashHarry: mccain is in-farking-sane.

here's the deal: iraq is a european construct, created out of the desert after WWI by drawing lines on a map. those lines enclosed three historically antithetical factions: sunnis, shiates and kurds. stability was maintained initially through a colonial government, a strong monarchy and then through a brutal dictatorship. when we removed that dictatorship in 2003, it was inevitable that the country would fall apart. and that is what's happening now.

iraq should never have been a country in the first place, except maybe as a smaller sunni country, with the rest going to syria and an independent kurdistan.


I've been telling right wing friends of mine for years the insurgency wasn't about hating America, it was about America being in the way.
 
2014-06-13 11:14:26 AM

raerae1980: Isn't McCain retiring soon? He's too old to be effective in government.


He's talking about running in 2016. Fark, I hope not!
 
2014-06-13 11:15:03 AM
John "100 years in Iraq" McCain? Nope.
 
2014-06-13 11:15:07 AM
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2014-06-13 11:15:11 AM

Noam Chimpsky: Why are the Democrats letting an al qaeda army march across an allied nation conquering towns and leaving beheaded bodies in their wake?


okay - this made me laugh
 
2014-06-13 11:16:06 AM

Bugerz: The only thing I can think of that is possibly funnier than the argle bargle coming out of today's GOP.

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230 hp (170 kW) @ 5100 rpm and 245 lb·ft (332 N·m) @ 2400 rpm  (2006+)

TMYK
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2014-06-13 11:16:09 AM

Noam Chimpsky: Why are the Democrats letting an al qaeda army march across an allied nation conquering towns and leaving beheaded bodies in their wake?


Because the U.S has no authority in a sovereign country. If they ask for help then the U.S can do something, but until then it is up to the Iraqi government to stop them.
 
2014-06-13 11:17:04 AM

beb004: raerae1980: Isn't McCain retiring soon? He's too old to be effective in government.

He's talking about running in 2016. Fark, I hope not!


Nooooooooo!!!!!!
 
2014-06-13 11:17:17 AM
McCain: Sarah Palin is capable of functioning as the Commander in Chief of our armed forces.
 
2014-06-13 11:17:44 AM
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2014-06-13 11:19:21 AM
He was part of the gang of idiots that thought Iraq would be like postwar Germany.
 
2014-06-13 11:19:22 AM

DjangoStonereaver: raerae1980: Thanks Bush.

Can't believe I actually supported going to war. At least I never voted for him.


I really wanted to believe them when they said Saddam had WMDs, and was even willing to forgive them
flip flopping on whether they were nukes or gas.

Once they went in and found none, I wish I could say I was shocked.


I was sure that, even if Iraq somehow had either type of weapon, they had no way of using it offensively.  Our nation had flown air patrols over their nation for a decade.. they could do nothing.
 
2014-06-13 11:19:47 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: ginandbacon: I'm curious as to when, exactly, we had this thing won. And when, exactly, we lost it.

We lost it the day we went in Marjorie Cheney did not orally swallow a load of semen and Dick Cheney was born nine months later.


FTFY
 
2014-06-13 11:19:53 AM
Anyone with a lick of knowledge about that region knew as soon we left the shiat was going to get real again. Whether it happened on Obama's watch or Hillary's or Jeb's <snicker> is moot. The insurgents knew we'd get tired and leave and it'd be time to make their move.

We won battles. We didn't win the war.
 
2014-06-13 11:20:03 AM
I never saw you raise your arms in victory John.
 
2014-06-13 11:20:16 AM

salvador.hardin: McCain: Sarah Palin is capable of functioning as the Commander in Chief of our armed forces.


2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-06-13 11:20:20 AM

parasol: Noam Chimpsky: Why are the Democrats letting an al qaeda army march across an allied nation conquering towns and leaving beheaded bodies in their wake?

okay - this made me laugh


Wow. You have a very dark sense of humor if you thought that was funny. I suppose it's funny until it's your family and friends that gets beheaded in a blitzkrieging al qaeda army's wake.
 
2014-06-13 11:20:45 AM

Sin_City_Superhero: So what happens if we decide to let them go it alone...no intervention from the US? Can we consider that approach?


Iraq has already said they'll ask Iran for help, in the event that USA gives them the finger.

So I guess the question is if USA can accept that outcome.
 
2014-06-13 11:21:06 AM

StopDaddy: Anyone with a lick of knowledge about that region knew as soon we left the shiat was going to get real again. Whether it happened on Obama's watch or Hillary's or Jeb's <snicker> is moot. The insurgents knew we'd get tired and leave and it'd be time to make their move.

We won battles. We didn't win the war.


And it will happen in Afghanistan too. I don't see how this is surprising to anyone.
 
2014-06-13 11:21:38 AM

Noam Chimpsky: parasol: Noam Chimpsky: Why are the Democrats letting an al qaeda army march across an allied nation conquering towns and leaving beheaded bodies in their wake?

okay - this made me laugh

Wow. You have a very dark sense of humor if you thought that was funny. I suppose it's funny until it's your family and friends that gets beheaded in a blitzkrieging al qaeda army's wake.


Pants on head.
 
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