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(Deadspin)   The new MLB math: One accidental backswing equals two batters hit by pitcher, or 4 ejections. Whichever comes first   (deadspin.com) divider line 59
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2014-06-13 09:22:04 AM
Batters should be ejected for hitting catchers on the follow through like that.
 
2014-06-13 10:01:56 AM
Weiss getting ejected seems ridiculous.  He was mad, you say?  No kidding!  Carpenter just flat-out assaulted one of his guys over an accident.

Now the Rockies' pitcher and coach getting tossed later?  Exactly right.  That happy horsesh*t is pathetic.  Next time just point to the scoreboard with two outs in T9 and a 5-run lead.
 
2014-06-13 10:44:45 AM

PowerSlacker: Batters should be ejected for hitting catchers on the follow through like that.


Why, exactly? Do you think it was intentional? This wasn't some Manny Machado one-thing-after-another deal like we saw last weekend. At least, not that I'm aware of.

 

factoryconnection: Weiss getting ejected seems ridiculous.  He was mad, you say?  No kidding!  Carpenter just flat-out assaulted one of his guys over an accident.

Now the Rockies' pitcher and coach getting tossed later?  Exactly right.  That happy horsesh*t is pathetic.  Next time just point to the scoreboard with two outs in T9 and a 5-run lead.


Yeah, but the umpires dealt with it, and fast, by immediately ejecting Carpenter. Weiss didn't get thrown for blowing his top, he got thrown for continuing to blow his top. I hope the league comes down hard on Carpenter.

Anyway, now I'm sorry for turning the volume down on the radio for that game. Have to tune into the pre-game today -- I'm sure it will be the hot topic.
 
2014-06-13 11:01:23 AM

DrBenway: PowerSlacker: Batters should be ejected for hitting catchers on the follow through like that.

Why, exactly? Do you think it was intentional? This wasn't some Manny Machado one-thing-after-another deal like we saw last weekend. At least, not that I'm aware of.


It probably wasn't intentional. It is, however, most often avoidable. It's usually a product of standing too far back in the batter's box, even outside. That late in the game, the lines are probably all but gone, and the ump probably didn't notice. I don't know that it warranted a plunking. It was in the thigh, so if he was really hacked off, it would have been a higher beaning. That was more like a "be more careful next time."
 
2014-06-13 11:44:11 AM
(sigh) When do we get a thread to discuss the Heat's demise?
 
2014-06-13 11:49:53 AM
Baseball players are such a whiney bunch of pussies.

They get so heated up about the littlest things.  They're the dear abby of sports.
 
2014-06-13 11:56:58 AM

PowerSlacker: Batters should be ejected for hitting catchers on the follow through like that.


Tony Pena and Joe Girardi talked about this and both mentioned it was the catchers fault, however some hitters do lose the grip on the bats which Joe said "Is clearly a hitter who isn't watching what he is doing".

As for the video, I watched it, I don't see the kid doing it on purpose however you never know these days.
 
2014-06-13 12:00:10 PM
Baseball and soccer players: the biggest pussies in all sports. Such delicate flowers with melodramatics that would make the Mean Girls jealous.
 
2014-06-13 12:00:39 PM
there has to be a stat out there for catchers being hit by backswing; it just seems that it's happened a lot more this year than in year's past
 
2014-06-13 12:05:37 PM
Also, good on Gattis for taking the HBP and calmly jogging to first without incident.  That basically ended the entire brouhaha and both teams can get on with their lives. I don't think a former Atlanta catcher who now plies his trades in the Bronx sewage hut would have reacted so maturely to that.
 
2014-06-13 12:08:09 PM

Nabb1: It probably wasn't intentional. It is, however, most often avoidable. It's usually a product of standing too far back in the batter's box, even outside. That late in the game, the lines are probably all but gone, and the ump probably didn't notice. I don't know that it warranted a plunking. It was in the thigh, so if he was really hacked off, it would have been a higher beaning. That was more like a "be more careful next time."


It wasn't clear if he was out of the back of the box to me, but even if he was, it is the catcher's responsibility to BTFU. I'm not even mildly invested in this discussion, but IMO this is 90% catcher, 10% batter if we're doling out blame. Of course, that was a pretty crazy swing, so maybe 70/30. All that and we come to the same conclusion: did not warrant a plunking. Or Weiss flipping out AFTER the ejection. Or the second plunking. ALL of the ejections were warranted.
 
2014-06-13 12:13:21 PM
Thugball.
 
2014-06-13 12:16:03 PM

Jim from Saint Paul: Thugball.


El thugball
 
2014-06-13 12:19:12 PM

factoryconnection: Weiss getting ejected seems ridiculous. He was mad, you say? No kidding! Carpenter just flat-out assaulted one of his guys over an accident.


He was probably complaining about how his guy got beaned, warnings were issued, so now his pitcher can't return the favor without getting tossed.  And he probably said the magic word or something in the process, such as:

Weiss yelled, "We owe you two,"
 
2014-06-13 12:25:12 PM
*looks into stands* "Let's go girls, dozens of people are waiting for the game to start."

/A lot of games look like that this year
 
2014-06-13 12:26:11 PM

wxboy: factoryconnection: Weiss getting ejected seems ridiculous. He was mad, you say? No kidding! Carpenter just flat-out assaulted one of his guys over an accident.

He was probably complaining about how his guy got beaned, warnings were issued, so now his pitcher can't return the favor without getting tossed.  And he probably said the magic word or something in the process, such as:

Weiss yelled, "We owe you two,"


Oh, you mean like the clownshoes game two weeks ago with the Rays and Sox? Wonder if they'll get that boxing referee guy in their next series now?
 
2014-06-13 12:38:28 PM
Hitting the catcher on the backswing should simply be an out. Just make it part of the catcher interference rule.
 
2014-06-13 12:44:01 PM

The Gentleman Caller: Baseball and soccer players: the biggest pussies in all sports. Such delicate flowers with melodramatics that would make the Mean Girls jealous.


Says the person who's probably never been hit in any body part with a 90 mph fastball. It's not a pleasent experience.
 
2014-06-13 12:49:58 PM
After Douchebag Machado last week I'm not sure what to think. His (both of 'em) was clearly intentional.
 
2014-06-13 12:58:44 PM
I have no problem with what happened. In hindsight, they should have taken the swing as "shiat happens" but at the time I can easily see the over reaction. And I would say a good 75% chance I would have done the same.

And I have no issues with responding in kind to an obviously intentional beanball. As long as they aren't gunning for the head or anything.

The coaches shouldn't have done anything to get tossed, though. Just leave it to the pitchers.
 
2014-06-13 01:05:24 PM
DISCLAIMER: I'm a Brave's fan.

Laird getting swatted on the backswing didn't look intentional. Carpenter hitting Dickerson was most certainly intentional, but it was done the way you want a pitcher to throw at a batter (assuming that they must throw at a batter). He hit him with a "I'm not trying to hurt you, I'm trying to send a message" pitch. Carpenter got ejected, as well he should. The only problem I had with Gattis getting hit was the location of the pitch. It was too close to the head for my liking, but no harm, no foul.

As to whether or not it's OK to intentionally throw at a batter, that's a whole other discussion.
 
2014-06-13 01:07:37 PM
Control your bat.  This guy showed ZERO concern after he downed a catcher because of his lack of control.

Ortiz struck Avila a few days back and treated it as a big joke ("how many fingers?  Ha ha!").  Well, stay in the batter's box (if it needs to be redone at some point in the game, so be it) and CONTROL THE CLUB IN YOUR HANDS.
 
2014-06-13 01:10:19 PM

germ78: Hitting the catcher on the backswing should simply be an out. Just make it part of the catcher interference rule.


So catchers can just crowd the plate to get hit? Brilliant!
 
2014-06-13 01:12:22 PM
I don't have a dog in this fight, but: the video doesn't show how the catcher set up, or if he was in the cacher's box (they take liberties). If he was out of it, tough. If he wasn't flame on.
 
2014-06-13 01:14:50 PM

JohnAnnArbor: Control your bat.  This guy showed ZERO concern after he downed a catcher because of his lack of control.

Ortiz struck Avila a few days back and treated it as a big joke ("how many fingers?  Ha ha!").  Well, stay in the batter's box (if it needs to be redone at some point in the game, so be it) and CONTROL THE CLUB IN YOUR HANDS.


I take it you weren't paying attention in physics class when they were talking about motion and inertia. You can certainly control the force of the swing but if it's in the heat of the moment, the force may be too great to handle normally.
 
2014-06-13 01:23:05 PM

Sin_City_Superhero: DISCLAIMER: I'm a Brave's fan.

Laird getting swatted on the backswing didn't look intentional. Carpenter hitting Dickerson was most certainly intentional, but it was done the way you want a pitcher to throw at a batter (assuming that they must throw at a batter). He hit him with a "I'm not trying to hurt you, I'm trying to send a message" pitch. Carpenter got ejected, as well he should. The only problem I had with Gattis getting hit was the location of the pitch. It was too close to the head for my liking, but no harm, no foul.

As to whether or not it's OK to intentionally throw at a batter, that's a whole other discussion.


All well and good, but in this instance, the message was...?
 
2014-06-13 01:35:21 PM

JohnAnnArbor: Control your bat.  This guy showed ZERO concern after he downed a catcher because of his lack of control.

Ortiz struck Avila a few days back and treated it as a big joke ("how many fingers?  Ha ha!").  Well, stay in the batter's box (if it needs to be redone at some point in the game, so be it) and CONTROL THE CLUB IN YOUR HANDS.


Clearly you didn't watch the video. Because Dickerson *was* well in the batter's box, pretty close to the front of it. And after the swing, the first thing he did was go to check on the catcher.

I mean, granted he took a pretty large, home-run cut and the extra follow through wasn't controlled very well. Fault him for that, sure. But don't make stuff up.
 
2014-06-13 01:36:19 PM

OrangeFree: The Gentleman Caller: Baseball and soccer players: the biggest pussies in all sports. Such delicate flowers with melodramatics that would make the Mean Girls jealous.

Says the person who's probably never been hit in any body part with a 90 mph fastball. It's not a pleasent experience.


I made my .833 obp in high school by not flinching away from close pitches, buttercup. I'm 5'5", with a nice compact swing. I had no strikezone and was just fine getting beaned. Just the price of the game. Its not a challenge to my manliness. Which I assure you, I possess in abundance. I feel you should know that, since you know nothing else.
 
2014-06-13 01:56:00 PM
OK, after watching the video, I am left with a few questions:

1. How could the first hit on the catcher be construed in any way as the fault of the batter in this day of endless farking replays?
2. How could the second hit be construed as intentional on the batter's part?
3. After the pitcher got ejected(Which happened immediately), why was the dude from the Rockies so hot to get himself ejected? Is there a bigger penalty that the umpire was holding back, or something? Maybe they draw and quarter you if it's a blatant enough hit?
4. After the batter ACCIDENTALLY hit the catcher(Which followed the catcher basically nailing himself) and the next pitcher hit the batter and got ejected, why in the FARK would the Rockies feel the need to bean the next batter?

Seriously, if people are already ejected, and other contact is obviously accidental, who would seriously consider it to be a good thing to go ahead and hit the next farking batter?

Baseball seems to be about petty fights...
 
2014-06-13 02:14:23 PM

DrBenway: Sin_City_Superhero: DISCLAIMER: I'm a Brave's fan.

Laird getting swatted on the backswing didn't look intentional. Carpenter hitting Dickerson was most certainly intentional, but it was done the way you want a pitcher to throw at a batter (assuming that they must throw at a batter). He hit him with a "I'm not trying to hurt you, I'm trying to send a message" pitch. Carpenter got ejected, as well he should. The only problem I had with Gattis getting hit was the location of the pitch. It was too close to the head for my liking, but no harm, no foul.

As to whether or not it's OK to intentionally throw at a batter, that's a whole other discussion.

All well and good, but in this instance, the message was...?


Probably something along the lines of "You send one of our to the clubhouse, we send one of yours to first base. It's the Atlanta way." or something...
 
2014-06-13 02:15:56 PM

Mikey1969: OK, after watching the video, I am left with a few questions:

1. How could the first hit on the catcher be construed in any way as the fault of the batter in this day of endless farking replays?
2. How could the second hit be construed as intentional on the batter's part?
3. After the pitcher got ejected(Which happened immediately), why was the dude from the Rockies so hot to get himself ejected? Is there a bigger penalty that the umpire was holding back, or something? Maybe they draw and quarter you if it's a blatant enough hit?
4. After the batter ACCIDENTALLY hit the catcher(Which followed the catcher basically nailing himself) and the next pitcher hit the batter and got ejected, why in the FARK would the Rockies feel the need to bean the next batter?

Seriously, if people are already ejected, and other contact is obviously accidental, who would seriously consider it to be a good thing to go ahead and hit the next farking batter?

Baseball seems to be about petty fights...


THug. Ball.
 
2014-06-13 02:17:50 PM

Mikey1969: OK, after watching the video, I am left with a few questions:

1. How could the first hit on the catcher be construed in any way as the fault of the batter in this day of endless farking replays?
2. How could the second hit be construed as intentional on the batter's part?
3. After the pitcher got ejected(Which happened immediately), why was the dude from the Rockies so hot to get himself ejected? Is there a bigger penalty that the umpire was holding back, or something? Maybe they draw and quarter you if it's a blatant enough hit?
4. After the batter ACCIDENTALLY hit the catcher(Which followed the catcher basically nailing himself) and the next pitcher hit the batter and got ejected, why in the FARK would the Rockies feel the need to bean the next batter?

Seriously, if people are already ejected, and other contact is obviously accidental, who would seriously consider it to be a good thing to go ahead and hit the next farking batter?

Baseball seems to be about petty fights...


The rockies Manager (I assume) was pissed 1) for the sake of being pissed and 2) because he knew they were throwing at a hitter the next inning and the umped automatically warns both benches that the next bean is an automatic ejection

The reason the Rockies threw at someone was that there was that their hitter was blatantly thrown at. Everyone probably saw that coming.
 
2014-06-13 02:22:02 PM
I think all the hubbub was because Dickerson didn't look like he gave two shiats that he hit the catcher. Turned around, then kind of wandered over to the side to wait until the next pitch came.
 
2014-06-13 02:25:12 PM

dywed88: Mikey1969: OK, after watching the video, I am left with a few questions:

1. How could the first hit on the catcher be construed in any way as the fault of the batter in this day of endless farking replays?
2. How could the second hit be construed as intentional on the batter's part?
3. After the pitcher got ejected(Which happened immediately), why was the dude from the Rockies so hot to get himself ejected? Is there a bigger penalty that the umpire was holding back, or something? Maybe they draw and quarter you if it's a blatant enough hit?
4. After the batter ACCIDENTALLY hit the catcher(Which followed the catcher basically nailing himself) and the next pitcher hit the batter and got ejected, why in the FARK would the Rockies feel the need to bean the next batter?

Seriously, if people are already ejected, and other contact is obviously accidental, who would seriously consider it to be a good thing to go ahead and hit the next farking batter?

Baseball seems to be about petty fights...

The rockies Manager (I assume) was pissed 1) for the sake of being pissed and 2) because he knew they were throwing at a hitter the next inning and the umped automatically warns both benches that the next bean is an automatic ejection

The reason the Rockies threw at someone was that there was that their hitter was blatantly thrown at. Everyone probably saw that coming.


My point is that shiat had already gone down, the pitcher who threw the wild ball was ejected, Beaning the next batter after that is freaking juvenile. It's one thing when the pitcher is pushing this shiat and doesn't get called on it, but doing it after all of that just makes them look like a bunch of third graders, IMHO.
 
2014-06-13 02:30:19 PM

grahamfw: I think all the hubbub was because Dickerson didn't look like he gave two shiats that he hit the catcher. Turned around, then kind of wandered over to the side to wait until the next pitch came.


I felt that way too. He could have been more contrite.
 
2014-06-13 02:36:24 PM

Mikey1969: dywed88: Mikey1969: OK, after watching the video, I am left with a few questions:

1. How could the first hit on the catcher be construed in any way as the fault of the batter in this day of endless farking replays?
2. How could the second hit be construed as intentional on the batter's part?
3. After the pitcher got ejected(Which happened immediately), why was the dude from the Rockies so hot to get himself ejected? Is there a bigger penalty that the umpire was holding back, or something? Maybe they draw and quarter you if it's a blatant enough hit?
4. After the batter ACCIDENTALLY hit the catcher(Which followed the catcher basically nailing himself) and the next pitcher hit the batter and got ejected, why in the FARK would the Rockies feel the need to bean the next batter?

Seriously, if people are already ejected, and other contact is obviously accidental, who would seriously consider it to be a good thing to go ahead and hit the next farking batter?

Baseball seems to be about petty fights...

The rockies Manager (I assume) was pissed 1) for the sake of being pissed and 2) because he knew they were throwing at a hitter the next inning and the umped automatically warns both benches that the next bean is an automatic ejection

The reason the Rockies threw at someone was that there was that their hitter was blatantly thrown at. Everyone probably saw that coming.

My point is that shiat had already gone down, the pitcher who threw the wild ball was ejected, Beaning the next batter after that is freaking juvenile. It's one thing when the pitcher is pushing this shiat and doesn't get called on it, but doing it after all of that just makes them look like a bunch of third graders, IMHO.


Well, that applies too most sports. You take a chep shot at the opposing team, they will do the same back to you.
 
2014-06-13 02:43:18 PM
hey, i'd be pretty pissed if I lost to the Rockies too.
 
2014-06-13 02:46:47 PM

Mikey1969: OK, after watching the video, I am left with a few questions:

1. How could the first hit on the catcher be construed in any way as the fault of the batter in this day of endless farking replays?
2. How could the second hit be construed as intentional on the batter's part?
3. After the pitcher got ejected(Which happened immediately), why was the dude from the Rockies so hot to get himself ejected? Is there a bigger penalty that the umpire was holding back, or something? Maybe they draw and quarter you if it's a blatant enough hit?
4. After the batter ACCIDENTALLY hit the catcher(Which followed the catcher basically nailing himself) and the next pitcher hit the batter and got ejected, why in the FARK would the Rockies feel the need to bean the next batter?

Seriously, if people are already ejected, and other contact is obviously accidental, who would seriously consider it to be a good thing to go ahead and hit the next farking batter?

Baseball seems to be about petty fights...


It's a warrior's code, you will never understand.
 
2014-06-13 03:02:49 PM

MyRandomName: germ78: Hitting the catcher on the backswing should simply be an out. Just make it part of the catcher interference rule.

So catchers can just crowd the plate to get hit? Brilliant!


The best solution is simply to actually enforce the batter's box at all times, even late in the game. Do they have an equivalent "catcher's box"? If not, perhaps they should. Then if both players are in their respective boxes and the catcher still gets hit then it's an out.
 
2014-06-13 03:19:34 PM
It used to be the catcher's responsibility to stay far enough back to not get hit, as long as the batter was in the box. If tall, long-armed Dave Winfield came up to bat, you'd shuffle back a little to avoid a concussion. There's no advantage to being so close to the plate that you get hit, anyway.

 
2014-06-13 03:29:47 PM

The Gentleman Caller: OrangeFree: The Gentleman Caller: Baseball and soccer players: the biggest pussies in all sports. Such delicate flowers with melodramatics that would make the Mean Girls jealous.

Says the person who's probably never been hit in any body part with a 90 mph fastball. It's not a pleasent experience.

I made my .833 obp in high school by not flinching away from close pitches, buttercup. I'm 5'5", with a nice compact swing. I had no strikezone and was just fine getting beaned. Just the price of the game. Its not a challenge to my manliness. Which I assure you, I possess in abundance. I feel you should know that, since you know nothing else.


Calling someone "Buttercup" doesn't make your argument any stronger, midget Uncle Rico. The average high school pitcher throws a lot slower (10-15mph) than the average MLB pitcher.
 
2014-06-13 03:35:15 PM

skrame: The Gentleman Caller: OrangeFree: The Gentleman Caller: Baseball and soccer players: the biggest pussies in all sports. Such delicate flowers with melodramatics that would make the Mean Girls jealous.

Says the person who's probably never been hit in any body part with a 90 mph fastball. It's not a pleasent experience.

I made my .833 obp in high school by not flinching away from close pitches, buttercup. I'm 5'5", with a nice compact swing. I had no strikezone and was just fine getting beaned. Just the price of the game. Its not a challenge to my manliness. Which I assure you, I possess in abundance. I feel you should know that, since you know nothing else.

Calling someone "Buttercup" doesn't make your argument any stronger, midget Uncle Rico. The average high school pitcher throws a lot slower (10-15mph) than the average MLB pitcher.


hey, he was a GOD in high school

www.redstaplerchronicles.com
 
2014-06-13 03:39:52 PM
Isn't this referred to as "old school baseball"?
 
2014-06-13 03:42:15 PM
Rutledge made contact, fouling off the pitch on the swing where he caught catcher GeraldLaird with his backswing.As Colorado manager Walt Weiss said after the game"If you think a guy can foul a ball off and then at the same time hit the catcher on the backswing on purpose, you've got no clue."

Add to this the fact that Atlanta pitchers had hit Troy Tulowitzki on Tuesday and Josh Rutledge on Wednesday, both times resulting in injury delays, you might understand why Weiss was upset when, on Thursday, Atlanta pitcher David Carpenter drilled Corey Dickerson with a 95 MPH fastball.
That's three hit batsmen on three consecutive days.

The Atlanta pitching staff is tied with Milwaukee for the least number of HBP in the NL (only 15 - compare with league leading Pittsburgh staff who have hit 42 opposing batters so far this season) so it is notable that three of those fifteen came on consecutive days against the same opponent.

Here is an image of Dickerson getting drilled by Carpenter's 95 MPH fastball (the radar gun put the number up a second after this frame). Carpenter claims it was unintentional but nobody believes him. That pitch was inside by two + feet.
img.fark.net
If you think getting hit by a 95 MPH fastball is no big deal you can do a GIS for hit by pitch bruise. I can't post that sort of graphic image without getting banned.
For the record, Atlanta's catcher, Laird, who got clocked by Dickerson's backswing, has said that he is sure that it was unintentional.
 
2014-06-13 03:42:42 PM

skrame: The Gentleman Caller: OrangeFree: The Gentleman Caller: Baseball and soccer players: the biggest pussies in all sports. Such delicate flowers with melodramatics that would make the Mean Girls jealous.

Says the person who's probably never been hit in any body part with a 90 mph fastball. It's not a pleasent experience.

I made my .833 obp in high school by not flinching away from close pitches, buttercup. I'm 5'5", with a nice compact swing. I had no strikezone and was just fine getting beaned. Just the price of the game. Its not a challenge to my manliness. Which I assure you, I possess in abundance. I feel you should know that, since you know nothing else.

Calling someone "Buttercup" doesn't make your argument any stronger, midget Uncle Rico. The average high school pitcher throws a lot slower (10-15mph) than the average MLB pitcher.


And it still hurts, dumbass. They all hurt. Maybe your team played differently, But my job was to get on base and score runs. I was good at it. And buttercup doesn't undercut my argument, because he's the one assuming some ol bullshiat. And I'm not Rico, cuz I don't obsess over "what could have been". I wasn't going any higher than high school ball, so I had fun with it. Getting on base was fun, didn't matter how I got there.
 
2014-06-13 03:51:13 PM
When did 'beaning' get turned into 'hit on the leg'?  A beaning is when you hit the batter in the head with the pitch... you know, on the bean?
 
2014-06-13 04:05:01 PM

The Onion is prophetic: When did 'beaning' get turned into 'hit on the leg'?  A beaning is when you hit the batter in the head with the pitch... you know, on the bean?


When I want infromed sports news, I always turn to the morans at Deadspin.
 
2014-06-13 04:47:43 PM

The Gentleman Caller: skrame: The Gentleman Caller: OrangeFree: The Gentleman Caller: Baseball and soccer players: the biggest pussies in all sports. Such delicate flowers with melodramatics that would make the Mean Girls jealous.

Says the person who's probably never been hit in any body part with a 90 mph fastball. It's not a pleasent experience.

I made my .833 obp in high school by not flinching away from close pitches, buttercup. I'm 5'5", with a nice compact swing. I had no strikezone and was just fine getting beaned. Just the price of the game. Its not a challenge to my manliness. Which I assure you, I possess in abundance. I feel you should know that, since you know nothing else.

Calling someone "Buttercup" doesn't make your argument any stronger, midget Uncle Rico. The average high school pitcher throws a lot slower (10-15mph) than the average MLB pitcher.

And it still hurts, dumbass. They all hurt. Maybe your team played differently, But my job was to get on base and score runs. I was good at it. And buttercup doesn't undercut my argument, because he's the one assuming some ol bullshiat. And I'm not Rico, cuz I don't obsess over "what could have been". I wasn't going any higher than high school ball, so I had fun with it. Getting on base was fun, didn't matter how I got there.


i2.kym-cdn.com
 
2014-06-13 05:04:55 PM

bingethinker: It used to be the catcher's responsibility to stay far enough back to not get hit, as long as the batter was in the box. If tall, long-armed Dave Winfield came up to bat, you'd shuffle back a little to avoid a concussion. There's no advantage to being so close to the plate that you get hit, anyway.


Some think it helps frame pitches better. For example, if a curve is breaking down out of the zone or a slider on the corner is breaking inside or outside, the closer you are to the plate the less far the ball can drift out of the zone. A lot of strike calling seems to have to do with where the ball appears to be when it enters the catcher's glove, so catchers have an incentive to crowd the plate and get their mit on pitches while they still look like strikes. Given that research over the past few years has shown that good framing can get pitchers hundreds of extra strikes per year, the incentive to crowd the plate is pretty strong. Of course, it is dangerous, but there are rewards for being willing to do it.
 
2014-06-13 05:08:46 PM

The Gentleman Caller: OrangeFree: The Gentleman Caller: Baseball and soccer players: the biggest pussies in all sports. Such delicate flowers with melodramatics that would make the Mean Girls jealous.

Says the person who's probably never been hit in any body part with a 90 mph fastball. It's not a pleasent experience.

I made my .833 obp in high school by not flinching away from close pitches, buttercup. I'm 5'5", with a nice compact swing. I had no strikezone and was just fine getting beaned. Just the price of the game. Its not a challenge to my manliness. Which I assure you, I possess in abundance. I feel you should know that, since you know nothing else.


What are you compensating for, manlet?
 
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