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(Major League Baseball)   Jimmy Rolllins steals two bases ... on the same pitch   (wapc.mlb.com) divider line 38
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2014-06-13 08:53:34 AM  
I thought it was the Rays for a second there but then saw it was another pinnacle of baseball futility.
 
2014-06-13 10:17:12 AM  
And THAT is what the idiotic shifting all the teams are doing now will get you.
 
2014-06-13 10:18:07 AM  
The "unlikely" part of the story is Reid Brignac hitting a walk-off home run.
 
2014-06-13 10:34:21 AM  
Not that unlikely. All it takes is bad coverage on 2nd and a CF playing too deep or too off center.
 
2014-06-13 10:34:50 AM  
I was watching this on TV in a room full of Padres fans.....it was glorious.

/there were actually people complaining that "he can't do that, it's against the rules"
 
2014-06-13 10:38:30 AM  
Heads up baserunning.
 
2014-06-13 10:38:40 AM  
I was expecting an overthrow...
 
2014-06-13 10:39:30 AM  

99sportster: And THAT is what the idiotic shifting all the teams are doing now will get you.


Not if the third baseman hustles a bit.
 
2014-06-13 10:51:01 AM  

99sportster: And THAT is what the idiotic shifting all the teams are doing now will get you.


I've also heard it suggested that hitters really ought to start dropping bunts to the now-opened side.  As long as it's not angled at the pitcher, it's pretty much a guaranteed base.
 
2014-06-13 10:57:46 AM  

ToastmasterGeneral: 99sportster: And THAT is what the idiotic shifting all the teams are doing now will get you.

I've also heard it suggested that hitters really ought to start dropping bunts to the now-opened side.  As long as it's not angled at the pitcher, it's pretty much a guaranteed base.


for most of those pull hitters, the odds of laying down a well-placed bunt are worse than hitting into the shift.
 
2014-06-13 11:06:01 AM  

99sportster: And THAT is what the idiotic shifting all the teams are doing now will get you.


Has infield hits increased this year with the the extreme shifting ?
 
2014-06-13 11:06:57 AM  

ToastmasterGeneral: 99sportster: And THAT is what the idiotic shifting all the teams are doing now will get you.


First of all, this. Having the third baseman play short stop leads to trouble.

I've also heard it suggested that hitters really ought to start dropping bunts to the now-opened side.  As long as it's not angled at the pitcher, it's pretty much a guaranteed base.

I've thought this, too, and to a small degree the Nats have been doing this. They have something like 17 base hit bunts, and because the players are out of position, something like 25% of those ended up with a bad throw leading to an error letting the runner go to second.
 
2014-06-13 11:07:06 AM  

ToastmasterGeneral: 99sportster: And THAT is what the idiotic shifting all the teams are doing now will get you.

I've also heard it suggested that hitters really ought to start dropping bunts to the now-opened side.  As long as it's not angled at the pitcher, it's pretty much a guaranteed base.


Once that starts they will quit shifting.
 
2014-06-13 11:08:27 AM  

Gulper Eel: 99sportster: And THAT is what the idiotic shifting all the teams are doing now will get you.

Not if the third baseman hustles a bit.


You do realize that, due to the shift, that WAS the 3rd baseman that took the throw to second (#7, Chase Headley).  He steps toward the mound, throws the ball to the pitcher, and Rollins takes off.  The pure element of surprise, and the fact that (thanks to the shift) the 3rd baseman is almost 90 feet from his position, made that an impossible play for Headley.  No amount of "hustle" was going to change the outcome of that play.
 
2014-06-13 11:21:10 AM  

Land_of_the_Magic_Dragon: 99sportster: And THAT is what the idiotic shifting all the teams are doing now will get you.

Has infield hits increased this year with the the extreme shifting ?


The numbers I have seen are really questionable.  The thing most of them don't take into account is that, if a batter grounds out "into the shift", but hits the ball to a spot where a fielder would normally been anyway (say, the 3rd baseman playing at shortstop, or right to the 1st baseman playing in his normal spot), it still counts as an out caused by the shift.

I don't know if there are more infield hits, or more dribblers to the outfield that might otherwise have not made it through.  I do know I've been some bloop line drives that would have otherwise been fielded by a player if he were in his normal position.

Lots of analysts say it evens out, in the long run.  Some say it gives the defense an advantage.  I honestly believe it does get into the batter's head a bit, but I'm not sure it's helping as much as the numbers seem to indicate (see reasoning above in reference to this).  All I know for sure is that heads-up base runners are going to start to take advantage of it, like Rollins did.
 
2014-06-13 11:22:28 AM  

99sportster: Gulper Eel: 99sportster: And THAT is what the idiotic shifting all the teams are doing now will get you.

Not if the third baseman hustles a bit.

You do realize that, due to the shift, that WAS the 3rd baseman that took the throw to second (#7, Chase Headley).  He steps toward the mound, throws the ball to the pitcher, and Rollins takes off.  The pure element of surprise, and the fact that (thanks to the shift) the 3rd baseman is almost 90 feet from his position, made that an impossible play for Headley.  No amount of "hustle" was going to change the outcome of that play.


Yep. The correct move by the Padres would be to have Headley walk the ball to third before throwing it back to the pitcher, or have the pitcher take the throw at third, and wait for Headley to jog over to his correct position.
 
2014-06-13 11:24:42 AM  
Brandon Phillips' version had more panache.
 
2014-06-13 11:26:39 AM  

Trainspotr: 99sportster: Gulper Eel: 99sportster: And THAT is what the idiotic shifting all the teams are doing now will get you.

Not if the third baseman hustles a bit.

You do realize that, due to the shift, that WAS the 3rd baseman that took the throw to second (#7, Chase Headley).  He steps toward the mound, throws the ball to the pitcher, and Rollins takes off.  The pure element of surprise, and the fact that (thanks to the shift) the 3rd baseman is almost 90 feet from his position, made that an impossible play for Headley.  No amount of "hustle" was going to change the outcome of that play.

Yep. The correct move by the Padres would be to have Headley walk the ball to third before throwing it back to the pitcher, or have the pitcher take the throw at third, and wait for Headley to jog over to his correct position.


Well put. Once Rollins took off all the hustle in the world wasn't gonna catch him.
 
2014-06-13 11:27:22 AM  
What a jerk! Unwritten rules!

Where's Brian McCann to show him how the game should be played?
 
2014-06-13 11:27:30 AM  
Does it count if it was against the Padres?
 
2014-06-13 11:29:01 AM  

Big Beef Burrito: What a jerk! Unwritten rules!

Where's Brian McCann to show him how the game should be played?


McCann would probably tell the defense that they should use better situational awareness.
 
2014-06-13 11:31:25 AM  
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2014-06-13 11:45:28 AM  
 
2014-06-13 12:28:04 PM  
Lord, why have you forsaken us?!?!?!?
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2014-06-13 12:37:10 PM  

obeymatt: Lord, why have you forsaken us?!?!?!?
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2014-06-13 12:38:38 PM  

DeWayne Mann: johnny_vegas: [4.bp.blogspot.com image 446x640]

You may enjoy this:

http://crashburnalley.com/2014/06/13/a-major-league-gm-cant-tell-the -d ifference-between-plate-appearances-and-at-bats-yep-its-ruben-amaro-jr /

But probably not.


It never ceases to amaze me how people who appear so supremely incompetent can be in such important and high paying jobs.

/not only applying that to baseball
 
2014-06-13 01:03:21 PM  

johnny_vegas: [4.bp.blogspot.com image 446x640]


Amaro gets shiat on a bit more than deserved, I think.  He went all in on pitching and it looked like it was going to work out at first, so that was an understandable gamble.  His biggest failing is the farm system and not having any sort of backup plan when everyone got old.

Things don't look good now, but when a franchise has that kind of spending power, they don't remain in the gutter too long.
 
2014-06-13 01:06:15 PM  

roc6783: DeWayne Mann: johnny_vegas: [4.bp.blogspot.com image 446x640]

You may enjoy this:

http://crashburnalley.com/2014/06/13/a-major-league-gm-cant-tell-the -d ifference-between-plate-appearances-and-at-bats-yep-its-ruben-amaro-jr /

But probably not.

It never ceases to amaze me how people who appear so supremely incompetent can be in such important and high paying jobs.

/not only applying that to baseball


Maybe they failed thier way to the top.
 
2014-06-13 01:16:51 PM  

H31N0US: Not that unlikely. All it takes is bad coverage on 2nd and a CF playing too deep or too off center.


That's not two stolen bases on one pitch.  That's a stolen base and an advance to 3rd on an error.
 
2014-06-13 01:35:14 PM  

Magnus: H31N0US: Not that unlikely. All it takes is bad coverage on 2nd and a CF playing too deep or too off center.

That's not two stolen bases on one pitch.  That's a stolen base and an advance to 3rd on an error.


There was no error.  That's a stolen base and an advance to 3rd on stupidity.
 
2014-06-13 01:45:34 PM  

Magnus: H31N0US: Not that unlikely. All it takes is bad coverage on 2nd and a CF playing too deep or too off center.

That's not two stolen bases on one pitch.  That's a stolen base and an advance to 3rd on an error.




Who gets the error, the manager for ordering the shift?
 
2014-06-13 02:35:58 PM  
Unfortunately something like that happened against the Phillies in the '09 World Series.
 
2014-06-13 02:59:44 PM  
Just because all anyone ever does is complain, I want to take a second to acknowledge these MLBTV vids. They always play perfectly, pause/resume/seek just fine, and they look great. I wish other leagues had their stuff together as well as MLB does. Just in case anyone from MLBTV is listening...great job.
 
2014-06-13 03:22:21 PM  

muwaryer: Magnus: H31N0US: Not that unlikely. All it takes is bad coverage on 2nd and a CF playing too deep or too off center.

That's not two stolen bases on one pitch.  That's a stolen base and an advance to 3rd on an error.

There was no error.  That's a stolen base and an advance to 3rd on stupidity.


It sounds like they were referring to a throw to 2nd that sails into the outfield, allowing the runner to take 3rd on the error.  Obviously that's not the situation from the article.
 
2014-06-13 04:35:45 PM  

Scrotastic Method: Just because all anyone ever does is complain, I want to take a second to acknowledge these MLBTV vids. They always play perfectly, pause/resume/seek just fine, and they look great. I wish other leagues had their stuff together as well as MLB does. Just in case anyone from MLBTV is listening...great job.


Well, just to counter that, it took them two months to get the MLB.TV app for the 360 working (Xbox One took a month and a half, I think).
 
2014-06-13 05:49:02 PM  

R.A.Danny: McCann would probably tell the defense that they should use better situational awareness.


If anyone in MLB knows about the shift, it's McCann. I don't know about this season as I haven't seen a lot of Yankee's games, but last year every team in the league was shifting on him...and it worked, too.
 
2014-06-13 06:02:37 PM  
What the heck is it with the shift being used so much more now?  It used to be only for very specific batters- ones who basically hit 100% to right field (Adam Dunn comes to mind).  I haven't been watching much baseball this year, but when I do I see it multiple times in every single game.
 
2014-06-13 06:05:35 PM  

Scrotastic Method: Just because all anyone ever does is complain, I want to take a second to acknowledge these MLBTV vids. They always play perfectly, pause/resume/seek just fine, and they look great. I wish other leagues had their stuff together as well as MLB does. Just in case anyone from MLBTV is listening...great job.


MLBTV still won't sleep with you (probably)
 
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