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2014-06-13 11:16:12 AM
Keep Calm and Disposal On.
 
2014-06-13 12:16:59 PM
Joke would have been funnier if it was a WWI bomb, with the whole armistice thing.
 
2014-06-13 12:20:18 PM
If we're talking exploding WWII bombs, then the cease fire was a couple of months at best.
 
2014-06-13 12:20:19 PM
Just so they don't get ideas again.
 
2014-06-13 12:21:34 PM
I don't think you can call it a 69-year cease fire, when these old bombs keep getting discovered, sometimes with ugly results:

http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/03/world/europe/germany-explosion/
 
2014-06-13 12:23:34 PM
Well, occasionally we need to remind them who's boss.

/we allow you to produce ball bearings and engine parts now, Germany
 
2014-06-13 12:23:40 PM
This tells me that we didn't have very good QA at our munitions plants.
 
2014-06-13 12:24:14 PM
We dropped so much ordinance in the Second World War that this isn't uncommon. Hell, they still find ordinance from the First World War in places.
 
2014-06-13 12:25:12 PM
Take THAT Jerry Jr. II!
 
2014-06-13 12:25:38 PM
Used to live in Berlin, they were always digging up stuff.
i270.photobucket.com
 
2014-06-13 12:26:45 PM

cgraves67: This tells me that we didn't have very good QA at our munitions plants.


We were building things so fast that quality control didn't enter into the equation. As an example, several liberty ships sank without nazi intervention and most were scrapped quickly after the war.
 
2014-06-13 12:28:07 PM
For farks sake, the U.S. Air Force did not drop a single bomb in WWII. Am I the ONLY ONE who cares about historical accuracy? I feel like I'm taking crazy pills here!
 
2014-06-13 12:28:16 PM

brap: Take THAT Jerry Jr. II!


I'm not understanding your banter.
 
2014-06-13 12:28:53 PM

cgraves67: This tells me that we didn't have very good QA at our munitions plants.


QA wasn't invented until after the war, noob.
 
2014-06-13 12:30:37 PM

NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!: For farks sake, the U.S. Air Force did not drop a single bomb in WWII. Am I the ONLY ONE who cares about historical accuracy? I feel like I'm taking crazy pills here!


I see what you did thar...
 
2014-06-13 12:35:35 PM

NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!: For farks sake, the U.S. Air Force did not drop a single bomb in WWII. Am I the ONLY ONE who cares about historical accuracy? I feel like I'm taking crazy pills here!


It is a bit worse than that.

If it was indeed an American bomb, it wasn't 75 kilos.  Our WWII bombs came in 100, 250, 500, 1000, or 2000 pound sizes.  165 pounders weren't an option.

http://www.303rdbg.com/bombs.html
 
2014-06-13 12:36:06 PM

special20: cgraves67: This tells me that we didn't have very good QA at our munitions plants.

QA wasn't invented until after the war, noob.


Carpet bombing is more of a quantity versus quality thing. A 95% fark everything up rate was entirely acceptable.
 
2014-06-13 12:37:56 PM
We were warned about this.

www.fanaticalyankee.com
 
2014-06-13 12:39:45 PM

iheartscotch: cgraves67: This tells me that we didn't have very good QA at our munitions plants.

We were building things so fast that quality control didn't enter into the equation. As an example, several liberty ships sank without nazi intervention and most were scrapped quickly after the war.


A lot of liberty ships were welded together instead of riveted. The colder water in the North Atlantic caused some of the welds to fail, and the ships just broke apart and sank.

Oops.
 
2014-06-13 12:40:37 PM
Old wars have long shadows. Many of them have yet to claim their final casualty.

If you are curious to see just how bad the situation is, here is a great page on landmines with a cartogram of casualties (thus far) and regular map of the countries affected.

http://www.viewsoftheworld.net/?p=1967">http://www.viewsoftheworld.n et/?p=1967


Afghanistan swells to a sub-continent on the cartogram, while North America, Western Europe and Oceania look as flimsy as the remnants of the Mississippi Delta.
 
2014-06-13 12:40:38 PM

The5thElement: brap: Take THAT Jerry Jr. II!

I'm not understanding your banter.


Sprechen sie MY FIST Nazi scoundrel?
 
2014-06-13 12:40:40 PM

NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!: For farks sake, the U.S. Air Force did not drop a single bomb in WWII. Am I the ONLY ONE who cares about historical accuracy? I feel like I'm taking crazy pills here!


One extra word.  USAAF.
 
2014-06-13 12:41:22 PM

ElLoco: special20: cgraves67: This tells me that we didn't have very good QA at our munitions plants.

QA wasn't invented until after the war, noob.

Carpet bombing is more of a quantity versus quality thing. A 95% fark everything up rate was entirely acceptable.


And a few unasploded surprises laying around the Germany was probably not a huge concern at the time.
 
2014-06-13 12:41:49 PM

JustGetItRight: NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!: For farks sake, the U.S. Air Force did not drop a single bomb in WWII. Am I the ONLY ONE who cares about historical accuracy? I feel like I'm taking crazy pills here!

It is a bit worse than that.

If it was indeed an American bomb, it wasn't 75 kilos.  Our WWII bombs came in 100, 250, 500, 1000, or 2000 pound sizes.  165 pounders weren't an option.

http://www.303rdbg.com/bombs.html


That joke just flew over your head like a P-23 bomber.
 
2014-06-13 12:43:43 PM

macadamnut: JustGetItRight: NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!: For farks sake, the U.S. Air Force did not drop a single bomb in WWII. Am I the ONLY ONE who cares about historical accuracy? I feel like I'm taking crazy pills here!

It is a bit worse than that.

If it was indeed an American bomb, it wasn't 75 kilos.  Our WWII bombs came in 100, 250, 500, 1000, or 2000 pound sizes.  165 pounders weren't an option.

http://www.303rdbg.com/bombs.html

That joke just flew over your head like a P-23 bomber.


I initially read that as B-23, and was willing to miss the joke to ask if someone other than me actually appreciated the B-18 and its variants.
 
2014-06-13 12:44:55 PM
First: (Pet peeve) It wasn't today, it happened yesterday.
Second: Bomb disposal squads blow up old bombs and other ammunition and shiat almost every day. Many fuses of those WWII bombs were shiatty constructed or built. Old UXOs are (sadly) spread around the world, not only in .de or generally Europe, but in every single country where a war took place since then.

Thumbs up for the guys who destroy them (relative) safe...
 
2014-06-13 12:46:41 PM

NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!: For farks sake, the U.S. Air Force did not drop a single bomb in WWII. Am I the ONLY ONE who cares about historical accuracy? I feel like I'm taking crazy pills here!


Yeah they did. They used B-17 bombers.
 
2014-06-13 12:47:36 PM

Fritriac: Thumbs up for the guys who destroy them (relative) safe...


You're welcome!

img.fark.net
 
2014-06-13 12:54:29 PM

El Dudereno: A lot of liberty ships were welded together instead of riveted. The colder water in the North Atlantic caused some of the welds to fail, and the ships just broke apart and sank.


Sorry, but that is just not right.

The North Atlantic liberty ship failures occurred because the grade of steel being used turned brittle and fractured when exposed to extreme cold.  The fracture would then run along any seam it found, which would usually be a weld line but the actual problem was the steel.  The problem also didn't impact just liberty ships.  Vessels of all types suffered fractures due to the steel problem.

Constance TIpper figured it all out and developed a way to test for the problem.
 
2014-06-13 12:57:44 PM

gunther_bumpass: NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!: For farks sake, the U.S. Air Force did not drop a single bomb in WWII. Am I the ONLY ONE who cares about historical accuracy? I feel like I'm taking crazy pills here!

Yeah they did. They used B-17 bombers.


You missed it Gunther

The US Air Force did not drop a single bomb in WW2, because it didn't exist yet.

The US Army Air Corp flew B-17's and dropped bombs on Europe
 
2014-06-13 12:58:57 PM

NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!: For farks sake, the U.S. Air Force did not drop a single bomb in WWII. Am I the ONLY ONE who cares about historical accuracy? I feel like I'm taking crazy pills here!


THANK YOU!!! ARMY AIR CORE!!!
 
2014-06-13 01:06:10 PM
The pictures look like they bombed a model railroad instead.
 
2014-06-13 01:12:20 PM
Yada yada yada, quirky reporting, QA issues. Detonators are not simple things. First, they have to spend months or years not exploding. Then they get dropped and primed at the same time, falling toward a surface that you assume to be oh so hard. You can't QA the ground, and a soft spot might not be hard enough to trigger the accelerometer detonator.

I'm surprised they haven't adopted a better containment protocol for detonate-in-place. I've seen pros doing a little urban quarrying to make a utility channel through a granite outcrop. They wire up the shot, then cover it all with a heavy mat. It's like chain maile for Godzilla. Everyone hides behind a corner, muffled boom, then you peel back the cover to find a channel full of stone chips. No thrown shiat, no broken windows.
 
2014-06-13 01:19:20 PM

macadamnut: JustGetItRight: NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!: For farks sake, the U.S. Air Force did not drop a single bomb in WWII. Am I the ONLY ONE who cares about historical accuracy? I feel like I'm taking crazy pills here!

It is a bit worse than that.

If it was indeed an American bomb, it wasn't 75 kilos.  Our WWII bombs came in 100, 250, 500, 1000, or 2000 pound sizes.  165 pounders weren't an option.

http://www.303rdbg.com/bombs.html

That joke just flew over your head like a P-23 bomber.


Actually, it just got funnier.
 
2014-06-13 01:20:11 PM
An ad popped up saying "Oh, Vienna."

Does this mean anything to anyone?
 
2014-06-13 01:21:44 PM

weiserfireman: gunther_bumpass: NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!: For farks sake, the U.S. Air Force did not drop a single bomb in WWII. Am I the ONLY ONE who cares about historical accuracy? I feel like I'm taking crazy pills here!

Yeah they did. They used B-17 bombers.

You missed it Gunther

The US Air Force did not drop a single bomb in WW2, because it didn't exist yet.

The US Army Air Corp flew B-17's and dropped bombs on Europe


I didn't miss it. I was joking about the tendency for people unfamiliar with aaf noomenclature to be redundant when discussing aircraft types. The B in B-17 stands for "bomber". There is no need to say "B-17 bomber" because that's what the farkin' B is for. There is no B-17 fighter.  That shiat drives me crazy. If you're savvy enough to identify the type (B-17, B-24, 25,26, etc) you don't need to add "bomber" to the end. We know what you're talking about. And the people that don't know, probably don't give a shiat.

And since you're getting technical, the Army Air Corps didn't drop bombs on Europe, either. That was the Army Air Force.
 
2014-06-13 01:24:19 PM
I thought this was a World Cup reference.  Leaving disappointed.
 
2014-06-13 01:26:33 PM

gunther_bumpass: weiserfireman: gunther_bumpass: NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!: For farks sake, the U.S. Air Force did not drop a single bomb in WWII. Am I the ONLY ONE who cares about historical accuracy? I feel like I'm taking crazy pills here!

Yeah they did. They used B-17 bombers.

You missed it Gunther

The US Air Force did not drop a single bomb in WW2, because it didn't exist yet.

The US Army Air Corp flew B-17's and dropped bombs on Europe

I didn't miss it. I was joking about the tendency for people unfamiliar with aaf noomenclature to be redundant when discussing aircraft types. The B in B-17 stands for "bomber". There is no need to say "B-17 bomber" because that's what the farkin' B is for. There is no B-17 fighter.  That shiat drives me crazy. If you're savvy enough to identify the type (B-17, B-24, 25,26, etc) you don't need to add "bomber" to the end. We know what you're talking about. And the people that don't know, probably don't give a shiat.

And since you're getting technical, the Army Air Corps didn't drop bombs on Europe, either. That was the Army Air Force.


It was the Army Air Core! I know because I met a guy who flew F-51 fighters over there in Spain. He used to drop 75 kilo bombs on to partisan commandos.
 
2014-06-13 01:33:51 PM

special20:
It was the Army Air Core! I know because I met a guy who flew F-51 fighters over there in Spain. He used to drop 75 kilo bombs on to partisan commandos.


I got mustard gas wounds all over my body!
 
2014-06-13 01:34:38 PM
special20:

It was the Army Air Core! I know because I met a guy who flew F-51 fighters over there in Spain. He used to drop 75 kilo bombs on to partisan commandos.

And then there was the army air whore.. an entirely different kind of flying altogether.

i975.photobucket.com
 
2014-06-13 01:35:09 PM

El Dudereno: iheartscotch: cgraves67: This tells me that we didn't have very good QA at our munitions plants.

We were building things so fast that quality control didn't enter into the equation. As an example, several liberty ships sank without nazi intervention and most were scrapped quickly after the war.

A lot of liberty ships were welded together instead of riveted. The colder water in the North Atlantic caused some of the welds to fail, and the ships just broke apart and sank.

Oops.


"Constance Tipper of Cambridge University demonstrated that the fractures were not initiated by welding, but instead by the grade of steel used, which suffered from embrittlement.[15] She discovered that the ships in the North Atlantic were exposed to temperatures that could fall below a critical point when the mechanism of failure changed from ductile to brittle, and thus the hull could fracture rather easily."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberty_ship#Problems

So not the welds, just super low-quality substandard American steel. Like grandpa used to make. 12 of them sank due to this, probably.

Did you know a Liberty Ship was turned into a floating nuclear power plant?
 
2014-06-13 01:40:23 PM
There's a childish sex joke in that headline.. I just know it.
 
2014-06-13 01:41:24 PM
FuturePastNow:

So not the welds, just super low-quality substandard American steel. Like grandpa grandma used to make. 12 of them sank due to this, probably.
 
2014-06-13 01:41:31 PM

gunther_bumpass: weiserfireman: gunther_bumpass: NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!: For farks sake, the U.S. Air Force did not drop a single bomb in WWII. Am I the ONLY ONE who cares about historical accuracy? I feel like I'm taking crazy pills here!

Yeah they did. They used B-17 bombers.

You missed it Gunther

The US Air Force did not drop a single bomb in WW2, because it didn't exist yet.

The US Army Air Corp flew B-17's and dropped bombs on Europe

I didn't miss it. I was joking about the tendency for people unfamiliar with aaf noomenclature to be redundant when discussing aircraft types. The B in B-17 stands for "bomber". There is no need to say "B-17 bomber" because that's what the farkin' B is for. There is no B-17 fighter.  That shiat drives me crazy. If you're savvy enough to identify the type (B-17, B-24, 25,26, etc) you don't need to add "bomber" to the end. We know what you're talking about. And the people that don't know, probably don't give a shiat.

And since you're getting technical, the Army Air Corps didn't drop bombs on Europe, either. That was the Army Air Force.


You must be a blast at parties.
/just sayin'
//are you related to Francis?
 
2014-06-13 01:46:07 PM

FuturePastNow: El Dudereno: iheartscotch: cgraves67: This tells me that we didn't have very good QA at our munitions plants.

We were building things so fast that quality control didn't enter into the equation. As an example, several liberty ships sank without nazi intervention and most were scrapped quickly after the war.

A lot of liberty ships were welded together instead of riveted. The colder water in the North Atlantic caused some of the welds to fail, and the ships just broke apart and sank.

Oops.

"Constance Tipper of Cambridge University demonstrated that the fractures were not initiated by welding, but instead by the grade of steel used, which suffered from embrittlement.[15] She discovered that the ships in the North Atlantic were exposed to temperatures that could fall below a critical point when the mechanism of failure changed from ductile to brittle, and thus the hull could fracture rather easily."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberty_ship#Problems

So not the welds, just super low-quality substandard American steel. Like grandpa used to make. 12 of them sank due to this, probably.

Did you know a Liberty Ship was turned into a floating nuclear power plant?


Dear god, I thought the idiots in the army only had the one reactor. They had a second? I'm shocked it didn't blow up like the first.

/sorry about the threadjack
 
2014-06-13 01:46:08 PM

gunther_bumpass: FuturePastNow:

So not the welds, just super low-quality substandard American steel. Like grandpa grandma used to make. 12 of them sank due to this, probably.


You may have discovered the problem. Now to invent a time machine and save the world from Rosie's incompetence.
 
2014-06-13 01:51:30 PM
poot42:

You must be a blast at parties.


My Autogyro impression is certainly a crowd-pleaser.
 
2014-06-13 02:13:51 PM

Marshal Tito: FuturePastNow: El Dudereno: iheartscotch: cgraves67: This tells me that we didn't have very good QA at our munitions plants.

We were building things so fast that quality control didn't enter into the equation. As an example, several liberty ships sank without nazi intervention and most were scrapped quickly after the war.

A lot of liberty ships were welded together instead of riveted. The colder water in the North Atlantic caused some of the welds to fail, and the ships just broke apart and sank.

Oops.

"Constance Tipper of Cambridge University demonstrated that the fractures were not initiated by welding, but instead by the grade of steel used, which suffered from embrittlement.[15] She discovered that the ships in the North Atlantic were exposed to temperatures that could fall below a critical point when the mechanism of failure changed from ductile to brittle, and thus the hull could fracture rather easily."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberty_ship#Problems

So not the welds, just super low-quality substandard American steel. Like grandpa used to make. 12 of them sank due to this, probably.

Did you know a Liberty Ship was turned into a floating nuclear power plant?

Dear god, I thought the idiots in the army only had the one reactor. They had a second? I'm shocked it didn't blow up like the first.

/sorry about the threadjack


Lord I'm so sad I missed the 60's...  it's almost like anyone with a tin star on a shoulder-board could get an "atomic project".  Floating reactors, reactors in airplanes, blowing up small islands just for the hell of it, it was sort of 'anything goes'.
 
2014-06-13 02:14:37 PM

iheartscotch: We dropped so much ordinance in the Second World War that this isn't uncommon. Hell, they still find ordinance from the First World War in places.


In southern Indiana, there's a place called the Jefferson Proving Grounds, where artillery shells are tested before being shipped out.  Every once in awhile a shell will expose a dud WWI gas bomb, and the area upwind will have to be evacuated until the gas dissipates.

The area measures 7 miles wide by 21 miles long, but the impact area is fairly small.  Congress tried to close it several years ago, but a report indicated that to make it safe, several square miles would have to be excavated to a depth of 8'-12', at a cost of several billion dollars, and where do you put all that HAZMAT?  That place will NEVER close.
 
2014-06-13 02:26:55 PM
Wii bombs are the worst.
 
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